Banner (yes ik but listen)

[visual star]

Assuming banner is truly random there is insanely low odds that this happens coincidentally.
Ever since EA release the banner has only rotated out 1 single unit at a time 2 stay consistently at least until the next banner. Thats why its common to see the same banners its a 25% chance that the banners unit gets swapped out with the same unit meaning the banners stay the same 25% of the time. If this is an intentional game design I apologize for wasting your time making you read this ( would be stupid if it was intentional tho).

IF BANNER WAS TRULY RANDOM
6 mythics
1,2,3,4,5,6 if previous banner were mythics 1,2, and 3
it would be 3 separate rolls on banner first roll being 50/50 of either being 1,2, or 3 of 6 (1/2 odds)
The same unit cant be rolled twice so lets say first roll was 1
There is now 2,3,4,5,6 which is 2/5 odds to roll same unit from old banner because the rolls are dependent to one another
Say it rolled 2 from old banner again now we only have 3,4,5,6
Rolling 3 is now 1/4 odds which is the same as the current odds because the banner doesn't worry about the first 2 events occurring
Ultimately making the chance of the same banner being 1/20 odds ((.5)x(.4)x(.25)=.05) General multiplication rule (Multiplies probabilities to find new probability given previous event occurred)
yeah that's all. I think the general consensus is the same that 25% seems a lot more like what is happening than the 5% if the banner was truly random.

[remote shoal]

Stop yapping that is not worth reading use wait your turn banners are randomized

[visual star]

bro the stats are in your face also 2/3 units stay each banner that's irrefutable I said if u know stats for a reason... saying its truly random makes the odds for what is happening nearly impossible looking at just getting 2/3 of previous banner is 20% chance but happens 100% of the time...

[ruby ginkgo]

i mean its not that bad

either the unit stays constantly in banner which is good

[topaz patrol]

skibidi

[ruby ginkgo]

or you get a 1/4 until they are on banner

[potent cedar]

Actually all the mythics are in banner

[oak saddle]

nah your right there is a genuine trend on the banners, from what ive seen the right unit on the banner becomes the centre unit every time it restarts, and sometimes when it restart the banner stays the same 3 units, i havent seen yet that there is a time where the banner didnt follow these 2 rules.

[ruby ginkgo]

this is true

i rolled sjw with 2.5% yesterday

[visual star]

Bruh this is each hourly banner

not rates of rolling mythics with gems

[potent cedar]

Rates do matter for randomizing which unit will show up

in the script you need rate and chance

when there are multiple units

Just wait for game to update and when they will add more units this will be fixed

It’s just the quantity

[oak saddle]

he didnt mean rates in a broad sense he meant that the rate of rolling a mythic from a banner doesnt correlate to the randomization of the mythics which appear in the banner

[tardy storm]

I sint readin allat

[visual star]

not forced to

[tardy storm]

I still aint readin allat

[oak saddle]

i think the troll isnt making sense anymore

[visual star]

anyways I'm positive that if the banner was truly random the trends in the banner are nearly impossible to replicate

[potent cedar]

I mean they could technically change it

You just need to change the rates

[wintry pawn]

considering theres like 6 mythics only its possible

[potent cedar]

There is a vid on yt that explains this rng rate script

If y’all want to watch it

[visual star]

possible but we are still talking about the 20% chance happening every hour since i played in early access

not to mention the 5% chance the banner stays the same for 5-6 times in a row on occasion

which makes more sense if only 1 unit is being rolled at a time

considering each banner consistently has 2 of the previous banner's units

[scenic glade]

I've tried to contact developer, but he's just sent me some lines of code, and blocked, said that it works.

But actually it looks like their "GetRandomUnitsFromPool" function is broken.
and maybe also problem in how variables are selected from the array,
I don't know Lua, and I'm not much of a programmer.
It looks like only unit #1 (that will appear on the right) is really randomized, other are simply change their position through the array.

[scenic glade]

Basically, only one of the three units is randomized, and then they all just change their positions in the banner depending on whether it's the same unit, the same as one of the other two, or a new one.

[mystic widget]

ye after watching the banners the last few days, there is certainly a pattern. The banner to be this consistent in this pattern there must be something wrong, the issue is the devs dont listen. I dont know how they dont see that its certainly not randomised.

[brisk umbra]

my guess was that the characters on the banner just move left every banner reset and a random one gets added on the right. my guess as an explanation for the repeat banners was that theres code to prevent 2 units from being in the same banner, so if the newly rolled character was already on the banner, then the banner would repeat and be the same as last time. the first sentence of my guess was consistent all of today until the recent one when sjw was skipped as the main banner so idk could be wrong

[azure basalt]

holy yap for nothing

[mystic widget]

he has a point tho bruh

the banner broken

[cloud mulch]

no you're right, the two units on the right move towards the left and then it generates a random unit to fill in the spot on the right side

[azure basalt]

no its not

💀

[mystic widget]

it literally is

[azure basalt]

the banner is random

[mystic widget]

no?

[azure basalt]

yes

[mystic widget]

it has the exact same pattern every banner

[azure basalt]

it repeats cuz theres SIX units

[cloud mulch]

if you scroll through #「⏳」banner you'll see that every unit on the right side becomes the middle one

[mystic widget]

the chances of this happening just by chance is extremely low

[cloud mulch]

for it to be that consistent its most likely not random
but i wouldnt blame the devs either because they do add some kind of rng

theres not enough mythics to go around like that

[mystic widget]

broo i dont read code

[lean kettle]

ill benchmark the function 100k and see times

[azure basalt]

they dont think

its 6 units

its super likely to be just a coincidence

[cloud mulch]

see if you can have outputs be different colors for different units, itll be easier to catch patterns

[azure basalt]

this literally proves that its random

[mystic widget]

bro are u acoustic respectfully, its literally the same pattern for over 60 banners in a row, the chances of that happening by purely chance is extremely, extremely low

[azure basalt]

its literally not i just checked lmao

[lean kettle]

its not in a row

[azure basalt]

fr

[cloud mulch]

most likely just an algorithm thing rather than the code itself or pure coincidence

[azure basalt]

pure coincidence

[mystic widget]

yes the only time it doesnt follow the pattern is when it repeats the banner twice

[azure basalt]

🤦

[mystic widget]

bro u actually blind if u dont see it

[cloud mulch]

its possible but the pattern is too consistent imo

[azure basalt]

HE LITERALLY JUST SENT THE CODE FOR THE BANNER

[mystic widget]

well the guy who made this post has a video abt it which explains it so ask for his video if u want an explanation

[cloud mulch]

i wouldnt say its the code

it could be how roblox handles those requests

[azure basalt]

of ffs fucking dumbasses

cya

keep yapping

[mystic widget]

why u being hostile for no reason

tf

[lean kettle]

i ran the code 100,000 times

it is indeed all correct

[mystic widget]

i dont read code but if its all correct then why is the banner in a pattern, then it repeats the exact same banner once every couple times

[lean kettle]

because thats randomness for you

[brisk umbra]

yeah i dont disagree that its random but

[mystic widget]

but chances of it happening this much in a row is so small

[lean kettle]

if you want it to generate a new banner every time, thats no longer being random. thats another feature request, which is something we're considering

[brisk umbra]

theres definitely a noticeable pattern in the banner

[cloud mulch]

i personally wouldnt complain about pattens, you can see who will be in the middle next

[brisk umbra]

agreed

[lean kettle]

we'll probably make the same units less likely to appear on banners once we add more mythics

[mystic widget]

ye but then sometimes it just repeats the banner randomly

like literally last banner #「⏳」banner

[brisk umbra]

yeah i dont like this part

[cloud mulch]

also Pyseph if you are able to, I have some screenshots from memory and world instances including a before and after restarting roblox
it may hopefully help with fixing memory leaks

[woven gust]

WE DO NT CARE WE NEED PARARGON FIXED

[mystic widget]

bro paragon worked for me

[woven gust]

you got the paragon rewards ?

[cloud mulch]

yes we do, you can't macro for over 3 hours without GUI's disappearing

paragon works just fine too

[pastel rose]

Why u do paragon ig gives like nothing,just 80 gems

[mystic widget]

idk if i did or not

[woven gust]

i can't drop any rewards in paragon

and i'm not the only one complaining about that

[woven gust]

it is supposed to scale and give more and more depends on the room you are in

[cloud mulch]

iirc the only thing meant to stack is the enemy buffs

[woven gust]

no, gems are supposed to stack as well

[cloud mulch]

never had an issue with that, i made about 2k completing paragon

[woven gust]

in total of 16 paragon games, i got 3 rewards, 80, 84 then 94 gems

[woven gust]

then how can you explain that i don't drop any rewards since this ?

[cloud mulch]

are you doing normal or nightmare paragon?

[woven gust]

both

and both of them almost dropped nothing in 16 games

[mystic widget]

it dropped 80 gem for me bro

[cloud mulch]

as far as i know its been working but i can test some paragon runs to see if they give items

tomorrow, it's 5 in the morning

[woven gust]

i finish my legend stage, and i'll do a paragon stage and send you the ss of my rewards

i send it here in like 15 minutes max

[cloud mulch]

alright, feel free to ping me

[woven gust]

gosh 5 in the morning what are you doing x)

[mystic widget]

bro its 7pm for me how u awake at 5

[cloud mulch]

i'm a night owl, and grinding for igris made me lose track of time

[split marsh]

well

[cloud mulch]

igris

[split marsh]

pyseph benchmarked the banner 100k times

and all units were evenly shown in the banner

[cloud mulch]

yeah it just looks like its a lack of mythics in general

[split marsh]

no pattern just randomness

[split marsh]

it is

[cloud mulch]

also is there anything you'd be able to do with this? im not able to open a forum to send the screenshots unfortunately

if boosters get perms thatd be great

[brisk umbra]

the pattern is that only 1 unit changes everytime, im not denying the randomness but there is clearly a pattern

1 unit max, sometimes its the same

[cloud mulch]

it'll most likely be more random after they add gojo

[brisk umbra]

only 1 new unit is randomized every new banner

i never denied that it's random but it seems theres a large misconception where people think all 3 units are randomized everytime

[cloud mulch]

yeah it's also definitely weird that it moves from right to left with the units but the code doesn't lie

[brisk umbra]

seems like its just a large miscommunication

[cloud mulch]

its randomized ^

[brisk umbra]

yeah i mean the benchmark doesnt disprove the pattern because with my claim you would get the same results

[cloud mulch]

my main theory is just how roblox handles the requests
but the test Pyseph ran would disprove that

[little sinew]

Hello, I have a problem, I can't report a bug in the discord channel due to lack of level, I have videos and screenshots, please fix (Thank you very much)

[mystic widget]

bro i dont even read code so idk if thats true

[brisk umbra]

the code doesnt disprove the right to left

it just confirms that theres randomness which is something that was included with my original statement about the right to left

theres both randomness and a pattern

[cloud mulch]

lua is pretty easy, but basically it grabs a random number between 1-6 for the first slot, then a random number for the 2nd, and 3rd
Units = any random number from 1-6 which corresponds to the mythic assigned so its technically getting a random number for each slot every time

so 1 could be jinwoo, 2 would be cha-in, 3 would be sasuke, etc

[mystic widget]

ok i have no idea what any of that means but alr

[woven gust]

@cloud mulch look dms

[scenic glade]

Your banner works like this:
1 of 3 units is randomized, and other are just swap places
So yes, if there 1 of 3 unit are random then simulate banners as much as you want,
in the end all units will appear the same number of times
BUT
Because only 1 of 3 change in time, you have to wait three times longer for new units, and they stay in the banner three times longer.
If you waiting sjw for example, you will not need to wait around 6 hours in general, but around 18 usually if he is not currently on the banner.

[lean kettle]

no

all three units are randomized.

[scenic glade]

Why were there no cases when there were 2 new units in the banner then?

Try to simulate and get a result, when in new banner there will be 2 new unique units

atleast 2

[mystic widget]

[amber adder]

Is it possible that during the banner refresh time it lags out on Roblox’s end and makes it so same banner reappears? That would also explain why it doesn’t get caught by your simulations

[lean kettle]

no

[amber adder]

It’s too unlikely seeing that many double repeats with the same positioning, even the back two are on the same position

[somber minnow]

First of all Yall talk for nothing imagine if sjw is on banner 4 times, nobody will complain about it and second if sjw was every time in banner all player will got it I think the random banner is perfect we just don’t have luck

[amber adder]

Unless certain units with combos go into certain slots and can’t appear on the right side with x unit, only left side

[scenic glade]

Imagine theres 40 mythics, and trying to get wanted mythic when banners is changing only 1 unit at a time.

[quiet sorrel]

My friend who was new to the game had to wait close to 2 days for a sjw banner, which was the forced one. 4 times in a row nice and all but when the unit u want isnt on the banner it takes a hell of a long time to get it especially if you factor in how it might appear and disappear while you’re asleep

[somber minnow]

Okay but now I just see one problem in the random why we don’t see any double or triple middle sjw like Naruto or other mythic (per haps à restrictions like sjw cannot be 2 times on middle in row)

[lean kettle]

there is no issue with the code. please stop trying to lecture me on our own codebase.

once we add more mythic units it will look more natural.

[somber minnow]

No prob pyseph we love the game don’t worry we know the fact is really random we are just sad to no be able to gambling sjw but thanks for your amazing game

[woven gust]

banner is random, stop yapping about it

[mystic widget]

ok pls upd

[woven gust]

there is more important problems

[amber adder]

Please look at the following message I sent, i know a unit can be both middle and one side, but the question is about the other side with the same 3 combo