##unicode Documentary - How a group of players completed Infinite Craft

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fast lava
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i mentioned that in my notes

elder rose
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#1206592567622373446 message

This was the switch date I think

midnight topaz
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tbh I couldn't find anything interesting between 4/4 and 5/22

elder rose
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Unicode died for a little while, I know that

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This is starting to feel real

I might try composing some music for this too

fast lava
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omg are u also gonna sing

midnight topaz
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are we getting actual infinite craft soundtrack

fast lava
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neal can hire Laurasia to compose music for whatever games he makes in the future

midnight topaz
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imagine, what if we could actually hire famous musicians for this video and actually execute ai update strat

elder rose
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Is that an ana reference?

fast lava
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a what reference

amber fiber
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But we need to know who is down to seriously get invested in the script / chapters for a couple days, maybe a week ?

elder rose
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I've got time, uni doesn't start til Feb

amber fiber
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I have a bit of time until mid february too but we need more people

midnight topaz
elder rose
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Aw

midnight topaz
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ik it wont happen

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but it would be really cool if it actually happen

sullen sparrow
amber fiber
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What would be really funny would be to put it in the script: A + B = Training Support Department "thanK you aIMee"

elder rose
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What

sullen sparrow
amber fiber
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Neal is cheaper than famous musicians

midnight topaz
midnight topaz
sullen sparrow
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picube will u try the variant of thanK you aIMee with ye

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(Thank You aiMee)

midnight topaz
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you mean thank You aimEe?

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probably

sullen sparrow
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that order from awwm got deleted idk when

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or maybe im just blind

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anyway sandu said Thank You aiMee

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oh it was actually aimEe lol

midnight topaz
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let's go back to unicode

fast lava
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thank you aimee is made of unicode characters

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tomating is better

elder rose
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I've made my planning section already

I'm taking chapters 1 and 2 which is everything from 8th Feb to 8th March (roughly)

If anyone was there for it feel free to pop by

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On another note, my addenda should be finished, my last 10 people have all not been a contributor

fast lava
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do u have ideas for further chapters

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maybe c1 controls can have their own chapter

elder rose
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Maybe?

Hard to make it chronological though since they were concurrent

midnight topaz
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and i think = could be a small section

fast lava
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= and . can just be mentioned to be impossible

amber fiber
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I have to do a few things now since I travel tomorrow, I will look into more accurate splits (as in dates) between the chapters 2 and 3 and the end of 3

elder rose
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The problem is so much infrastructure developed on this server that eventually almost everything'll get mentioned

I mean space ban is prepended space glitch, AWWO is... there, it's all gunked together

amber fiber
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Laura I trust you will find the separation between 1 and 2 ?

elder rose
elder rose
midnight topaz
fast lava
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did roy and hater not contribute

amber fiber
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Roy is in the list (virtuemoir)

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I did not find a FD or a direct contribution from Hater unfortunately

fast lava
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will Neal be in special thanks section (this is a serious question)

midnight topaz
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obviously

fast lava
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but he not in laurasias special thanks list

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#1224474371222143018

graceful lantern
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Do we agree on what laurasia said

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im up for it

midnight topaz
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i would just say "everyone who played the game"

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#Unicode Documentary - How a group of players completed Infinite Craft

flint harbor
midnight topaz
flint harbor
elder rose
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Correct, which is why I don't like this logic

flint harbor
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my cat played infinite craft once

sullen sparrow
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kit?

elder rose
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That his daughter

midnight topaz
flint harbor
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true
my cat is not a point, it is a cat

cyan portal
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I completely agree with this, but one minor issue is that often, the last step in a recipe isn't the most "high-tech"

elder rose
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We can work that part out later methinks, I've kept it in my art direction notes

midnight topaz
severe apex
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I agree that this strat is too powerful

fast lava
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guys what if rubiksmath deleted the sheet

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and then deleted everyone who was opposed to him doing that

amber fiber
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While you are looking through older messages to get stuff for the script, it would be cool to screenshot the interesting things to help illustrate the video later on (do no post them all here for the love of God, keep them stored somewhere)

primal veldt
analog marsh
elder rose
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Oh wait I sent Sapporo my FD file

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This isn't actually everything, since all my musical notes (#1206592567622373446 message) at least got wiped for some reason

📎 message_7.txt
crimson shale
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The title should be
HOW a Group of Players COMPLETED Infinite Craft

proper basin
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I Love RANDOM Capitalizations

elder rose
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New specific caps request

proper basin
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How a Group of Players OPTIMIZED The YOUTUBE ALGORITHM

crimson shale
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But THIS is HOW YouTube CLICKBAIT Capitalization WORKS

elder rose
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Bowser did you see my urinal song?

proper basin
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no i did not

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i see it now though

crimson shale
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The From The Water to The Fire, to The Earth to The Wind????

proper basin
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We should pay someone on fiverr to make it a real song

fast lava
analog marsh
crimson shale
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I Know there

crimson shale
elder rose
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Oh wow I deleted the one instance of wahuh in this server

fast lava
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huhwa

crimson shale
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Hu hwa

fast lava
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whah whahu whahuh wh whu whuh

crimson shale
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@neal hu

elder rose
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My savefile lost so much

graceful lantern
topaz igloo
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Ok I have been interested of if there was a way to piece together discoveries to make just about anything you want, then I stumble upon this a while later and I’m introduced to what I assume is how people did literally that.

elder rose
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This is true Jesus Christ

amber fiber
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#1206592567622373446 message As far as I know this is the first quoted lineage in Unicode. And it's great because it shows really well a "classic" lineage of that type + the Deletes. In bonus the character is a FD (maybe can also introduce the fact that element combine following alphabetical order ?). Also they reused the element "circumflex" not far later #1206592567622373446 message to get another one. I think it would be a good transition between chapter 2 and 3 ?

analog marsh
bronze thicket
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Wow this is a lot to scroll uhh

elder rose
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Whoops

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Want me to tl;dr it?

bronze thicket
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maybe, there was a message I saw as I clicked scroll to now that I really want to read the rest of

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but it’s so far

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sure run me through

elder rose
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Basically, me and Judeka at least have begun looking through and trying to subdivide history in chapters for the video. Generally we think the chapters should split along tech lines

Meanwhile I've finished my addenda of all other contributors, and have broken off a space to get to work on the first two chapters covering everything from start of the game to about second week of March

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Specifically the introduction of quotes and the establishment of AWWM marks the end of chapter 2

fast lava
elder rose
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Currently I'm waiting on PB and Original Niko to be online before I get to work

hazy sorrel
elder rose
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Do you want to know?

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It's a bit inflated because of people mentioning your name, but you come up about 9000 times in Sapphire logs

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I'd like to point this out

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hazy sorrel
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;-;

bronze thicket
elder rose
bronze thicket
elder rose
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Kali gave me superpowers

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I can now read all messages

bronze thicket
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hey no fair …. but that’s cool. I guess it will help

elder rose
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Honestly it really hasn't

hazy sorrel
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That sure against some EU law!
-# /j

elder rose
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Oh I forgot I said that

bronze thicket
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oh

golden sky
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hi

graceful lantern
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thats one project among others

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no strategy works 100% of the time, it's just about finding what works the most amount of times

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depending on the project youre working on strats will differ as well

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e.g. Every Single City project... Unicode project...

delicate yew
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surely you can use the chaining strat in all cities too!

graceful lantern
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can you add my throwaway email btw email

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you have it in our dms already

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oh shit i do already

bronze thicket
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yes

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i put you in like right away when i made doc

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@elder rose added you also

elder rose
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Ta

severe apex
bronze thicket
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vax merstappen

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hey brent give me logs too i need to see unicode start!!!!111one11!!one!

elder rose
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How long did it take you to write the ones in

severe apex
bronze thicket
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ah heck

paper creek
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uranium sulfide deuteride

delicate yew
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Uranium selenide di-

bronze thicket
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i bet i can make a 100k resistor from a USD

elder rose
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Bonkers!

bronze thicket
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i always enjoy checking that the resistance between opposite thumbs is less than the resistance between two adjacent fingers or even two points on the same finger

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and significanly less too

paper creek
bronze thicket
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This is true

elder rose
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This message has been factchecked by true Australian patriots

bronze thicket
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There

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Fact checked

severe apex
elder rose
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Albanese looks suspiciously like Armstrong

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(me when two men wear glasses)

severe apex
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glass cyst

elder rose
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Wow, that sounds painful

bronze thicket
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and then tell me the letters on the back

worthy garden
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this post was fact checked by

bronze thicket
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this will clear the processing fee for the wire transfer and give you your refund of amount £100 K Yen

elder rose
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100 thousands pounds yen? That's as many as fifteen dollarydoos!

bronze thicket
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No madam that is not correct the amount specified,,, is of amount 100 Dollars Kelvin

elder rose
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100 dollars kelvin pounds yen

bronze thicket
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100 Kelvin dollars sorry

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cold hard cash

delicate yew
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what kind of one-upsmanship is this

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bronze thicket
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normal enough

delicate yew
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You gotta cut off 20 ms like white did so I Tunnel is a neverending race for milliseconds

elder rose
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Who was that WBR guy that Mika beat by one again?

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Ah wait right "in one move a thousand is forced"

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534

bronze thicket
fast lava
bronze thicket
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I don’t swear often

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bad word

elder rose
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Ah but you see, if you average me and Rubiksmath, both of us swear a lot

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I am such a master of statistics

fast lava
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rubiksmath, you have more eyes than the average person

bronze thicket
fast lava
bronze thicket
elder rose
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Spiders

fast lava
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eye georg

bronze thicket
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It’s run 3 btw

fast lava
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who was born with 8 million eyes, because of him you have less eyes than the average person

bronze thicket
fast lava
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i wouldnt have come up with that

bronze thicket
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Neither but somehow I did

delicate yew
bronze thicket
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Hard no I’m afraid

fast lava
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since you did

fast lava
elder rose
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Rubiksmath hates Buddhists? More at 25

fast lava
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plot twist: u cant give brent the cash since its burning hot (the cash burned)

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do buddhists hate rubiks math?

bronze thicket
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what

bronze thicket
fast lava
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what if due to becoming a buddhist u got enlightened with laurasias word creativity

bronze thicket
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quite the enigma

severe apex
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enigma enigma boy

bronze thicket
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Ez win

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it would revert to me having record by 0.016 seconds

elder rose
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mod abuse, banana him

bronze thicket
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Nah but the run never happened

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It got erased

delicate yew
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all runs that dont make me first place are invalid and break every rule of speedrun.com

bronze thicket
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exactly

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Why didn’t I think of this

elder rose
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literally 6year old logic

bronze thicket
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sometimes taking a step back is the solution….

elder rose
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yknow what ive decided im gonna type like this for the whole day

delicate yew
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Don't.

bronze thicket
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banned

delicate yew
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Come back to being proper, Laurasia.. I don't want to hold this until you're done stealing my style.

elder rose
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no niko i dont wanna

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this is fun and also its taking effort to not do it properly so the moment i accidentally fail things go back to normal

severe apex
delicate yew
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What the fuck is that face structure

bronze thicket
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oh no

delicate yew
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You want to mess up

elder rose
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wahoo niko now bedt run speedrunner on earth

delicate yew
elder rose
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wow i can say things so much faster now i dont have to worry about soelling mistakes

worthy garden
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the not next eminem

delicate yew
severe apex
elder rose
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im not copying you im just typing in lowercase

delicate yew
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(copying me)

bronze thicket
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speaking of, I made some staging grounds

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There are dangers with splitting off though

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but just if you need

fast lava
tribal pond
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I think I'm MASSIVELY late but finding unicode was SUPER fun, other than the pokémon TCG it's one of the only categories I went all in on

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I was looking thru my files and amongst the hundreds of screenshots that should've been deleted by now, I found a ton of ones from infinite craft, and like half of them are unicode screenshots

tribal pond
tribal pond
bronze thicket
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was a joke

tribal pond
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ah ok cool :P

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either way hope my little drive folder is useful!

graceful lantern
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Spoodus is listed, just, under b, since the katakana in front of their name is read as "banana"

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also, dont have time, so reminding myself thats the last one i checked

amber fiber
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Alright, what could Chapter 4 be ? The Next Codepoint strategy and its variants is the one that comes to mind right now but I might be forgetting something 🤔

amber fiber
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There is the "hi Mr. " and the "hi " strats before as well as other elements like Next Unicode Letter or Next Alphabet, I feel like the end of Chapter 3 should be a bit before Next Codepoint when the whole "Next" thing started maybe ?

amber fiber
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I just realized how much of an hassle this is going to be, strats overlap each other way too much 😭

For now I think the end of Chapter 3 could be dated here #1206592567622373446 message where Laura use Next Letter and it becomes way more frequent afterwards (often coupled with Mr. strat). That way Chapter 3 would be 3 months long (I know it seems like a lot) and we can put Next Codepoint in 4 as well.

amber fiber
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By the way I think Chapter 4 would be the perfect place to talk about Neal Case since Next Codepoint and co won't "work" on a lowercase letter (writting this in my doc so I don't forget).

fast lava
severe apex
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Could there be a pinned comment with the current chapter (names) and a brief description?

amber fiber
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This is what I made for now, definitely needs better formating and description

cosmic canopy
cosmic canopy
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I can also give access to anyone needing it to the Greek Infinite Craft scrapping discord server. @hazy sorrel already has access

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@bronze thicket still have access

hazy sorrel
cosmic canopy
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Ah ok I can give it back

cosmic canopy
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That 's how the server looks like now.

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cosmic canopy
midnight topaz
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And should mention that one dead uppercase letter to mention neal case

severe apex
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Prob good to add links to the chapter bounties (if people're doing that and it wasnt just a one off)

bronze thicket
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I’ll help you guys work on it, where’s picube up to on reread? If it’s up to where I first hear of it then I’m down to help

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but also I can just go back and read stuff

amber fiber
# midnight topaz We should mention startcase first

Fair, we could also introduce the whole concept of Case and Dead Elements earlier and just do a "Hey, remember the thing we talked about at the start ? It's also important now".

Do you remember when that happened (the uppercase letter) ?

amber fiber
severe apex
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UNACCEPTABLE

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REPORTED!1!1!1!1!1!1!

amber fiber
bronze thicket
amber fiber
# amber fiber Alright, what could Chapter 4 be ? The `Next Codepoint` strategy and its variant...

Soooo, Chapter 5 would be the sequences of characters spaced or not (stuff like that #1206592567622373446 message for the start), nuke and relatives. I think this chapter could end with the discovery of 05EF Yod Triangle (I know it's not related to the chapter's topic but we're doing chronological and like that we can talk of 3.1).

Then the Endgame Chapter 6 with CJK and Hangul until completion (should be a quicker chapter I guess even if there would be more characters found here ?).

That would make an Intro, 6 Chapters and an Outro I think it's a reasonable amount ? Let me know 🤔

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The video will probably overlook a lot of isolated strategies but I don't think we can talk about all the characters one by one 😔

fast lava
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when will first spaced char strat be mentioned

amber fiber
fast lava
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well u linked to example of non-spaced character strat

amber fiber
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FOR THE START

sullen sparrow
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well yeah, thats an example

amber fiber
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Also first spaced is in September, example is in August and 05EF in October so it's pretty obvious where I would put it

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I would like to add again that nothing is set in stone yet and any feedback on where or how many chapters there should be is appreciated of course

crimson shale
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What if we just make it to the shorts and divide it into 34 chapters?

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34 times the money 🤑💰💵

midnight topaz
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shorts doesn't make a lots of mone

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also this is not for money so one video is prob better

sullen sparrow
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this is all to celebrate a goal

primal veldt
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how many days is the video gonna be

primal veldt
severe apex
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Dibs on the revenue from the video!

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or videos!

amber fiber
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I hope it ends up costing you money

severe apex
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😨

severe apex
fast lava
crimson shale
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I was joking

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I was joking

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I don't want maneu

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No maneu

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I don't want it

graceful lantern
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hey

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i have an important serious message from Laurasia

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Hey gang, to make a long story short I had a major disassociative episode on Thursday and nearly had a stroke. I need to take a break from being online again. Sadly this means I won't be able to help with any of the current projects, mainly the documentary, beyond maybe directly-asked fact-finding questions. Sorry about the absolutely terrible timing.

(As an aside I'm sending the updated Map file to Emharha so hopefully things don't stop again with that)

Sending my hopes for smooth sailing otherwise,
Petra

modern moon
# amber fiber Soooo, Chapter 5 would be the sequences of characters spaced or not (stuff like ...

you probably know, but thought i would say it just in case. I started doing the sequence strat in like June here for Cuneiform, although it was first only with 1 char (with or without Mr.), then 2 chars, then i started doing 3 as well #1206592567622373446 message if you look in the unicode sheet. maybe like 1 was barrier break there (U+12440), but not more I think. Also it was only incrementing the last char (or adding a new char) like so: Mr. ABC + Next Letter = Mr. ABCD or Mr. ABC + Next Letter = Mr. ABD. Also #1206592567622373446 message for CJK radicals is like one day later where it started to become 4 or more chars (because they were super annoying). Please if anyone knows, i would love to know if there was anyone else before me who was doing this kind of thing.

modern moon
amber fiber
# modern moon you probably know, but thought i would say it just in case. I started doing the ...

OMG feedback yes !! I knew there were sequences strats before but I did not know it was you and when. What you just linked will make our life so much easier thank you for that 🙏

How would you approach the overlapping of the strategies though ? Since we do chronological chapters while focusing on the tools used, I was thinking of putting forward the "most common" strats used during the time periods selected while keeping for later the more "discreet" strats which later became more "mainstream". We can definitely mention that it was used before by you don't worry.

To sum the things up: what date or change would you make on what I've done for now ? Do you think it's worth it to move the separation between 4 and 5 a bit earlier ? Or would you redo the chapters entirely ?

fast lava
modern moon
crystal monolith
fast lava
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she did say this

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did all of us just start typing at once

amber fiber
eternal nebula
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Hope everyone else is mentally okay here, there is no shame in getting help 🙏

fast lava
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im not really okay but eh idk what to do about that

sullen sparrow
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im really okay but eh idk what to do about that

eternal nebula
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if life get's fucked up return to the basics:
sleeping routine
moving the body enough
spending time with family

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alr doing one of these can help massively

fast lava
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I dont do any of those

sullen sparrow
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on an unrelated note...

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eternal nebula
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do not proceed

amber fiber
bronze thicket
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Okay Im up now

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I will add you

amber fiber
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Woohoo thanks 🙏 This is, comically, the time for me to sleep but I'll be sure to start working on it tomorrow

modern moon
modern moon
# modern moon a bit longer messages incoming

So the main strats that I am thinking of that could be mentioned in the video (i tried to give them in chronological order, not really in chapters):

  • ig early strats (your chapter 2) (Unicode Batak, Unicode 10, Unicode Consortium, Unicode blah blah, etc. etc.), and also just combining random unicodes together to make new ones

  • [Ü+](#1206592567622373446 message) transition into U+ strats ([U+](#1214815916957761586 message), [Mr. U+](#1214815916957761586 message), [U+0](#1206592567622373446 message), "..u-", ...?) -> combined together with Unicode xxx stuff (or language names, i don't know what else)

  • [fromcharcode](#1206592567622373446 message) | [#fromcharcode](#1206592567622373446 message) | "fromcharcode" | .fromcharcode | fromcodepoint and other variants, [Convert to Utf-8](#1206592567622373446 message) | [Unicode](#1206592567622373446 message) strats

  • [Next Letter](#1213692353223589888 message) | Character | Unicode stuff for incrementing unicodes (not sure if this started to get used before or after fromcharcode stuff

  • then there are also the strats for the lower unicodes which involve making something like "voiced-letter-b-with-breve" or idk stuff like that (and strats for making lowercase from uppercase and vice-versa, I didn't do that kind of stuff that much), which is also related to making lowercase by incrementing in strings and then unquoting (mostly for higher chars, but also was used a bit for lower ones)
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  • don't know if we want to mention the hunt for c1s? but ig not since they are unassigned.

  • sequence [strats](#1206592567622373446 message) (with or without spaces, with hyphens varients -> spaces started by Radu) -> which were used for getting chars that were harder to increment, then transitioned into breaking barriers as well (in combination with various Next tools). then Radu started to increment by 1000 to get [U+18000](#1206592567622373446 message), which was the turning point into doing nukes. then later Bergoros found [U+31000](#1206592567622373446 message) which allowed us to get entry into the highest cjks. Here you could separate the char. sequence strats and explain what a "barrier" is, and also that there are barriers every 64, 4096 and 65536 and show it using \xf1\x80\x80\x80 or like that. How I would classify the normal ones (kinda in chronological order):
    --------- increment by last one ABC -> ABCD | ABC -> ABD
    --------- increment by one 0 1 2 3 -> 4 5 6 7 | 0 1 2 3 + 4 5 6 7 -> 8 9 a b
    --------- increment by one with barrier break 3c 3d 3e -> 3f 40 41 | 3a 3b 3c + 3d 3e 3f -> 40 41 42
    --------- increment by 64 000 040 080 0c0 -> 100 140 180 1c0 (potentially with 1k barrier break)
    --------- increment by 64 with offset 01a 05a 09a 0da -> 11a 15a 19a 1da
    --------- increment by 4096 21000 22000 23000 24000 -> 25000 26000 27000 28000
    --------- sniping strats (for reversed casing chars) 008-048-088-0c8 + 108 148 188 -> 1c8 although this one was only used for that so maybe it could be left out

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  • "next-codepoint", "next-letter", "next-alphabet", "the Next Codepoint" quoted next tool etc. could be mentioned? but idk where (maybe in the sequence chapter)

  • CJK Extensions start (hunt for the highest char kinda as well ?): U+xxxxx and Cjk Ideographs | Cjk Unified Ideographs | Cjk Ideographs Extension X stuff, then we asked Yui and she found out in the db that [Scotland Flag](#1206592567622373446 message) had U+e00xx stuff so with that we were able to obtain U+e0xxx assigned stuff (also a bit of decrement magic on my side to get U+e0000 and from that the rest of them, but i think that could be included in the end game chapter cause the sequence strats are the "weirder" ones)

  • end game -> strats for CJK Unified Ideographs and Hangul Syllables blocks, + maybe if we want to mention the last "other sheet" chars? Classification of weirder increment strats used for this:
    --------- increment by one spaced out by 64 100 140 180 1c0 -> 101 141 181 1c1
    --------- increment by one with prepended helper sequence 28040 29040 2a040 b040 -> 28041 29041 2a041 b041
    --------- increment by 64 with prepended helper sequence 10000 20000 30000 8000 -> 10001 20040 30040 8040 -> this one is usually incremented so that the first one only increments by one. i think that it helps to make the other ones increment by 64 more consistently.
    --------- increment by 64 with prepended helper sequence with offset 34a40 35a40 36a40 b349 + 34a80 35a80 36a80 b389 -> 34ac0 35ac0 36ac0 b3c9 [example](#1206592567622373446 message)

  • block restart strats (could be together with end game) -> 3c 3d 3e 3f -> 00 01 02 03, plus random decrements by 40 when doing the increment by 64 with prepended helper sequence strat ([example](#1206592567622373446 message))

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If any other unicoders are reading this, add onto | reorder | correct this | say what could be done differently if you feel like it could be better, there's probably some other stuff because I didn't really work on every part of unicode and with all of the strategies and I may have also forgotten something.

bronze thicket
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the birth of nuke (although in a diff form) def came when radu got 18000

amber fiber
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Alright nevermind the sleep, I'm making something to eat before I read that

modern moon
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took me like an hour to write that lol.

fast lava
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and also spaced sequence strat was first used for a c1 char

vapid lake
modern moon
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send me a link and i'll add it

modern moon
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cause I don't really know who strated it

vapid lake
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nah its just some hangul strats

modern moon
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oh yeah, well they are mentioned in the line that starts with a lot of hyphens. if you look there tell me if that is what you meant (second to last line like that)

vapid lake
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well there was also [this](#1206592567622373446 message) to increment by 64 on any char, (so like b389 -> b3c9)

modern moon
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oh yeah you're right, i forgot about offset

vapid lake
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oh yeah and that e0000 strat or whatever I used

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tho idt anyone else used it lol

modern moon
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you mean the decrement one?

vapid lake
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I think it's for block restarts? Idk I can't find an example fsr

modern moon
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yeah i also wrote that (decrement strats), ig block restarts is the correct name

vapid lake
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nvm I found an example of this very unoptimused strat #1206592567622373446 message

bronze thicket
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enuptumosid

amber fiber
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🟢 So we can pretty much agree on the start with the Unicode stuff mashing with relevant other elements

🔴 I was thinking of putting the codepoints U+, Ü+ along with the apparition of quotes since it's from the same period and there is "..u-" (maybe introduce the Mr. strat here as well ?). Same for the fromcharcode stuff iirc they're from the same period and use quotes. I do think that mentioning the start of quotes is very important since it was a huge change in the gameplay for the community as a whole and it will definitely be easier to explain most advanced strats once you've explained quotes (in a video kind of setting I mean). This is pretty much what I thought for Chapter 3

🟡 Here the whole Next Letter and "next-codepoint" parts are far apart in time (3 months) but Imo they're way too similar to be split in the video: we would just be repeating ourselves. Also I think this would be the place for "hi Mr. <", "hi <" to be introduced since they're very tied to the Next tools.

🟣 The stuff like "voiced-alveolopalatal" and other could fit in the 🔴 with the quotes element ? In terms of strategy even if way more advanced I think it's very similar to the first apparition of quotes in Unicode #1206592567622373446 message. For the Uppercase and Lowercase as well as the quoted revivals they were very targeted strats, sometimes unique, I honestly didn't plan to give them much attention but if you think it's worth it then I definitely trust you on the matter (I don't know where they would fit)

I think we should do the video without focusing on the c1 at first and if we have the time / place we could add them later since they're a bit different ?

🔵 ( I have never really touched sequences ) I don't know how deep we should go into details of the different strats. It'll definitely be a huge part of the video both in explanations and characters found.

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I only used the colors to show what I think would be good together and regroup my thoughts.

I'm very sleepy so I'll leave my conclusion for today here:
I realized that we need to decide now how far we want to explain techs and how much we want to make the video accessible (should have done that before starting the chapters, that's entirely my fault I kind of thought that people would have a similar vison too). Can anyone watch the video and understand it ? Only Infinite Craft players ? Or only top 1% players from the discord ? There is a balance we need to find between an enjoyable and a technical video I guess ? I've only ever made video and huge projects in college where they tell us to get to the point and make things understandable to anyone. I think (I know I say that a lot) that even with a very good and long video some things will need to be overlooked for the sake convenience (both ours and the watcher).

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Ah shit the pic is below

bronze thicket
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the good thing about staging grounds and dumping areas is

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it doesnt matter

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you can write it as complex as you like

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and then we can put in a modified version

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and the information does not get removed

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its still all there

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in the staging ground

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(or the modified version itself is in staging ground then we add it)

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so theres no risk of going wrong here

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better to have too much than not enough in my eyes

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can easily remove

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asterisk if context is lost

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green = random stuff sure. random languages like balinese unicode greek, unicode sundanese shavian, etc. red = codepoints + variants, yellow = increment, purple = forced attempts by name, blue = nuke/sequence

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fair

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and we can i think talk about controls at some point, because its easy to feel like we dont have them all, and give any potential audience food for thought

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how we got c1 by mojibake

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how we dont have any clue of how to get c0, but U+0001 is alive for one reason or another, and its a mystery

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maybe in a thing near the and about what next

amber fiber
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I totally agree with U+0001 in the outro, it's really engaging, especially if there is some mysterious individual behind it

bronze thicket
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well tysm all

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if we can get all our personal dumps and put them in the doc somewhere, that would be nice. make your own tabs if you need, i dont really mind

midnight topaz
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#unicode Documentary - How a group of players completed Infinite Craft

midnight topaz
midnight topaz
vapid lake
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C1 should be in the video

worthy garden
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so does chapter 2 start at the unicode project getting founded or

wraith dust
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I like how I was the first to mention the nuke in the context of breaking barriers, and somehow it was remained #1206592567622373446 message

bronze thicket
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it starts wherever you want

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stuff gets written and natural boundaries will form

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trust

primal veldt
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glad you forgot my shit
otherwise its shitty

severe apex
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Glow in the dark shit

crimson shale
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Will we have a chapter just for LLaMa 3.1?

primal veldt
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bonus chapter

severe apex
forest raven
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maybe I can explain on the JP character part but its been a year since ive touch IC

midnight topaz
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Because 05EF

analog marsh
midnight topaz
analog marsh
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...?

last geyser
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his famous quote

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uafhioa4hfuoa4HFNOA4HNFGAHUTFGAHRTGAWEROFGAUIWHUFGFGUJJHJHJHjiajfgarfgjhnioarno

analog marsh
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Oh lol

bronze thicket
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Let’s not get carried away with “chapters” - they will sort themselves out

last geyser
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what was the first c1

bronze thicket
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8d or 81 iirc

amber fiber
bronze thicket
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Sure

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And yeah you can organise it that’s useful but don’t waste time trying to figure out what exactly happens, if you’re focused on some things it’ll work out fine in the end

cyan portal
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Will the video specifically mention the discovery of 🫄?

fast lava
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why is that pregnant man red

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oh its a gender neutral pregnant person

delicate yew
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because its pregnant_person you fucking fake fan

fast lava
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hey i never even said im a fan of pregnant people

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im not a fan at all

bronze thicket
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human race denier

fast lava
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i meant that im neutral about them

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Banned

bronze thicket
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Yeah but it’s 2025

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in 2025 if you don’t absolutely love and endorse something you hate it

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cancelled

fast lava
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Banned

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Banned from Twitter

bronze thicket
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you’re in Brazil

fast lava
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what

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oh yeah i forgor

bronze thicket
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says the Brazil captive

fast lava
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i am kidnapped

bronze thicket
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can’t say anything

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you got sent to Brazil

fast lava
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😾

bronze thicket
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hey that’s a unicode

fast lava
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Kit is my sister

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she will not tolerate this

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@ Kit can you qeej nplooj @bronze thicket thanks

flint harbor
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she will actually

fast lava
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ny family is terrible

bronze thicket
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noooo

fast lava
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except im still in brazil

flint harbor
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wait how is kit your sister?

bronze thicket
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do not ask

flint harbor
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i just did...

fast lava
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because i said so

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i sent the cat emoji

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which is a picture of my face reveal

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😾

flint harbor
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wait theres actually a user on this discord named Kit, but i will not ping a random person again

fast lava
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which reminded me of my family member named Kit

stray vine
flint harbor
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...

fast lava
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@stray vine can you adopt me to make me not-disowned

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since youre also a cat

stray vine
fast lava
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but one problem

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im still in brazil

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so you can either free me from jail, or go to the jail yourself

stray vine
fast lava
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even if i do that.. what will the brazilian cities thread guys think

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they kidnapped me

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they probably wont be happy if someone frees me

stray vine
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Dw

fast lava
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they might even put a target on you, Banned

stray vine
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I know all of them

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I have connections

fast lava
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kit will feel my wrath of revenge

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she will see who the cutest kitty in town is 😾

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insert cowboy meme of cowboy saying this town aint big enough for the two of us

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but instead of a cowboy saying it, its a catboy/catgirl saying it

flint harbor
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i will not stop your guys's ebbic debate, but i feel like its slightly #off-topic

crimson shale
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Hi

fast lava
# crimson shale Hi

oh nothing, nothing was discussed here, no evil escaping-from-brazil plans or anything were discussed..

crimson shale
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Coe

dapper cobalt
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woah

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who is uploading this

midnight topaz
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mika

bronze thicket
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miku? no way. cant believe miku is voicing this

severe apex
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tHat sun (of) e Miku

bronze thicket
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so, what is next? i get the sense we stalled quite a lot. theres plenty of ideas but not much getting written down. i mean its certainly daunting for sure, but the early stuff, it having been read, we should be able to do.

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look at old pins for the old guides

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can even look at their versions

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very useful

midnight topaz
severe apex
midnight topaz
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miku in maimai

bronze thicket
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sigh

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I wrote some more stuff for the sake of putting stuff in

paper creek
bronze thicket
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It’s a song

amber fiber
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Added a new tab with dated milestones in chronological order (mostly early ones for now). Please tell me if the date format with the timezone is working

midnight topaz
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#1206592567622373446 message
First Zero-Width things(maybe not)
#1206592567622373446 message
first hangul unicode(maybe not)
#1206592567622373446 message
we had right-to-left override and neal banned it, pretty funny imo
#1206592567622373446 message
and we obtained our 202e back
#1206592567622373446 message
I think this is when Ü+X strat started
#1206592567622373446 message
Unicode 12 sheet started here
#1206592567622373446 message
first increment tool
#1206592567622373446 message
U+ strat starting
#1206592567622373446 message
U+++ strat to increment unicode
#1206592567622373446 message
“string.fromcharcode”
#1206592567622373446 message
String.fromCharCode
#1206592567622373446 message
#1206592567622373446 message
Capitalization Bypass and Fromcharcode things

Many Unicodists tried to get more Unicode and optimised older tools

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shit i accidentally clicked ctrl + c not ctrl + v

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#1206592567622373446 message
Directly Next Unicode
#1206592567622373446 message
Next Unicode Block
#1206592567622373446 message
..u- tech

Many Unicodists tried to get more U+XXXX elements and things were going well
probably we can insert ‘=’ thing around here or a bit earlier idk
major strat is fromCharCode

Progress slowed down by a lot, and unicodists were stuck at 29% progress for while

#1206592567622373446 message
30% milestone in Unicode 12 sheet
#1206592567622373446 message
Actually brute forcing the unicode

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the things i randomly wrote down in notepad

amber fiber
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I can add the ones that are not already on it a bit later

midnight topaz
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damn these greek unicode characters got hands

amber fiber
bronze thicket
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Doc*

amber fiber
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I put it in the doc already

bronze thicket
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Okay

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Thank you

vapid lake
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Unless you meant the recipe?

paper creek
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some of the recipes

midnight topaz
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recipe

last geyser
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BananasGoMoo

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severe apex
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amongus character with longs legs praying

graceful lantern
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guys look at Ryastoise's contrib

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i absolutely loathe being like that but im not sure ヌ with dakuten is a single character

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@last geyser can you tell

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oh

last geyser
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its not real

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but he made significant contributions on finding hte rest of the chars

graceful lantern
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true

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will add still

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in spirit

last geyser
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and im 100% sure that he got some cjk somewhere or didnt add tell us if he got a japanese fd

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scanned through #1206590762914156584 now to check

graceful lantern
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definitely helped yeah

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i agree

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he probably has at least one FD i think it's a fair assumption

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and he contributed to documentation

last geyser
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Mudkippz & Happu

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graceful lantern
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so still contributed, despite no fd

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like Camoflasche

last geyser
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yep

graceful lantern
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woof

last geyser
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i htink thats all in beyond english
mrow

graceful lantern
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yippie

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i see some one chars

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oh theyre already in

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pog

forest raven
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i think i got fd on all of the colors

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nvm some of them

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last geyser
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oh you got tree and 4 nice

modern moon
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huh? where do you see 4?

last geyser
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wait fuck i thought i saw 4 it was west

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西四

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also east

modern moon
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yeah, they closed the lid

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wait no, you closed the lid

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so west became the 4

last geyser
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indeed

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blood

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emoji

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have we fully checked #1206591532744835122 yet?

forest raven
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except north

amber fiber
stray vine
coral dock
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hi unicoders

delicate yew
paper creek
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also missing the bug for characters above FFFF

amber fiber
cyan portal
delicate yew
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i mean there's an image to the right that answers that

bronze thicket
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they are indeed different elements, they have their own entries

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the lookup for results just neal cases the inputs though

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and same for dead check

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it checks if neal case exists

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any chance of sharing the source with us so we can edit directly? or giving a copy? I dont think id know how to make that

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probably some nice tools and layers, but i wouldnt be able to do better than taking images and stuff

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esp the circle effect

paper creek
# amber fiber I will edit it tomorrow to make it correct, in the meantime can you explain furt...

İ la, it is the only unicode character, by standard, to split into two characters when converted to lowercase
the İ gets split into I (normal I) and a combining dot above, then the I part is converted into uppercase per the rules so the final result is "I[combining dot above]"
to explain >FFFF you'd need to acknowledge that the neal case function doesn't split the input into individual unicode characters, but rather individual code units, which includes unicode characters and surrogates
everything above FFFF is made up of 2 surrogates, so when it tries to uppercase the first character, it'd try to uppercase only half of the character rather than its entirety, which means everything above FFFF will be converted into just lowercase (just realized that you also need to know the whole string is converted into lowercase first) by neal case (you do not have access to uppercase >FFFF characters at all)

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the latter fact is especially important for incrementing cased characters above FFFF so it should definitely be included

bronze thicket
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Medefaidrin

amber fiber
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Thanks you saved me from reading all the dubious early theories from the lab 🙇, I will probably make a second pic to explain further on the FFFF issue. I doubt there is enough space on one for that

crimson shale
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Hi

amber fiber
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Now in two parts: Neal Case (I deleted the pics here to avoid spamming the thread, newer version below)

paper creek
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you don't need to mention that İ has no lowercase form cause that might be misleading

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koska most of the characters without lowercase form like punctuations just remains as is

amber fiber
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Oop I guess you're right, I'll just mention that it gets split in two when lowercase

bronze thicket
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What did you use to make

amber fiber
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I used Inkscape, but only because I wasn't sure whether I would need to "draw" something or not. If you just want to do tables and text like I did there should be better options available

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Latest version, deleted the ones above to give space / avoid confusion

Neal_Case_visual_jpg.jpg Neal_Case_part_2_jpg.jpg
bronze thicket
amber fiber
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My first idea would be to do it in Word, I import the tables from there. I will be honest I never had a problem with the characters combining 😅 (You can put another text zone above the first layer in case it tries to combine)

bronze thicket
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my version of importing the tables is using snipping tool to take a picture

amber fiber
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I just realised I said "starting from U+FFFF and up" which is incorrect since U+FFFF is not concerned, will fix later

bronze thicket
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Would you know how to do that circle picture thing from the original version in word? That was one thing I wasn’t sure about

graceful lantern
bronze thicket
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Kali what if you wrote your perspective and the start and what you remember (and messages and pics and whatever) somewhere and we’ll take ideas from ig

amber fiber
elder rose
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I have decided DNI does not apply here (though if anyone attempts to involve me in any "bits" you will receive no response)

@k.a.l.i#0 I'm unsure if you've seen but there were two contributor lists because I ran out of space on the first one. None of the names on the second appear to be on the main list yet.

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Apparently I either can't ping correctly or my phone isn't rendering them

elder rose
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Also either I have missed it on multiple rereads or q37 is not on the list

graceful lantern
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can you link me the second list?

sullen sparrow
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@graceful lantern

graceful lantern
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tyyyy will do eventually

elder rose
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Thanks Papas, I was preoccupied

Also, with ASD leaving there is a potentially significant knowledge gap. I'm unsure if it'll be accepted but for now I've sent a friend request as I'm unsure who has DM access to him.

stray vine
elder rose
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Ah, good

Not now, I was just concerned that nobody had access. We have no mutual friends so I could not tell

stray vine
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I can tell him to accept your friend request

elder rose
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I think it's best to just allow him to decide

stray vine
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You can also accept my friend request 🙂

elder rose
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I don't have one from you as far as I can tell

stray vine
sullen sparrow
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now that i realize asd is still on TheMac's server

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is that how you will dm him gameroman?

stray vine
stray vine
sullen sparrow
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the asd_ic2

elder rose
# stray vine

Odd

I've sent one to you instead. I may have declined it because I forgot who you were

stray vine
elder rose
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On reflection, I've also considered it may be beneficial to use full specific example characters of particular relevance/importance when discussing strategies.

I'm not sure which would be best for the later ones but the entire process for discovering the Among Us lookalike Sinhala character is a decent example of early Unicode strategies, and was quite well documented.

Additionally my attempt for it was potentially the first fully intentionally targeted character

fast lava
#

so before that people randomly combined unicode tools hoping they would randomly find something new?

elder rose
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More or less, yes

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Or they targeted specific character sets but not necessarily a character itself

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In the sense of "any hieroglyph" or "any Cyrillic letter"

I'm not fully certain because Cora was at the time completing the Georgian alphabet

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Ah, my mistake. I forgot about Japanese

Although I can say with some certainty that it was the first targeted character through a Unicode-specific strategy as opposed to translation

indigo fern
#

wait asd left?

sullen sparrow
#

yes

sullen sparrow
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his last message

indigo fern
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damn

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i was just reading his last messages

sullen sparrow
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yeah he pretty much quit infinite craft

elder rose
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@coral dock Apologies for the ping, but do you still have the old sheets you had for Georgian and Armenian? I feel they'd be useful

coral dock
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I likely do, I can send it over once I’m home

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actually I can probably find it in message history

elder rose
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Excellent, thanks

Yes I tried but I'm currently on mobile and it's not loading

coral dock
elder rose
elder rose
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Ah I'd forgotten about the Canadian as well

coral dock
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i know much of lowercase armenian was done by someone else if i’m not wrong. main Unicode sheet’s probably a better resource

elder rose
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I'm more interested in them as historical sources. Good show of how Unicode worked before the main sheet even existed

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With most people having individual tracking sheets or grouped ones. Sadly I deleted mine a while back for storage reasons

coral dock
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oh right, i forgot we originally just sorta linked individual sheets to a main one

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you can probably find the rest of the pre-main sheet sheets on there

elder rose
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Sadly not, it appears the hyperlinks link to the official Unicode charts

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Pleasant memories there on the Egyptian tab of Ancient Languages

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Justinlam's personal sheet: #1206592567622373446 message
Japanese sheet 1: #1206591532744835122 message
Japanese sheet 2: #1206592567622373446 message

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Did anyone happen to save the link to cZar Void's website? I remember being able to see it

severe apex
elder rose
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Yes, I recall being able to see it at one point, but I cannot find the link in search

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My Chrome history was wiped in September of last year so that is also unhelpful

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I may have a false memory happening

Essentially I recall a website with every Unicode character where the colours were green and red for found and not found

severe apex
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Checked all their images

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No bueno

elder rose
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Shame. Might be false memory then

severe apex
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they said they (temporarily) abandoned it so might just not have sent it

severe apex
elder rose
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That's true, one moment

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No, only one message chain regarding an accidental mute

severe apex
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You are NOT the father!

elder rose
#

Interestingly, it somewhat appears like the format of the official Unicode sheet may have potentially come from this sheet. The shade of yellow is the same.

You would need to ask Ray to be certain though

delicate yew
#

Well brightest of the bunch more so

elder rose
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Yes, I noticed after a recheck

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Additionally, I've found another contributor: LancetheGallade1500

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I am now checking the comment history on the old sheet

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Unfortunately this seems to be causing problems for my laptop

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Does anyone know who Arrow P might be?

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I find it odd that despite having edit access to both the old and new sheets, somehow I am not listed in the homepage list for either

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Hm

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Ah nevermind, they were a sheet editor

elder rose
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If you do end up looking, names you don't need to worry about are Julia, Arrow P, None and Orange Botanist (all are already accounted for and made up most of the comments that I could see)

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All comments on new spreadsheet checked, no new additions - all Anonymous were Radu

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Ah, hold on, untrue, there is a Julia different from the other Julia

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@wraith mason or @tribal pond , do either of you account for the Julia L. commenting in the 16.0 sheet?

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Sorry for the ping

wraith mason
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That's me I think

elder rose
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Alright, then that's everyone accounted for

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Thanks

wraith mason
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Should just be four CJK characters, right?

elder rose
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Yes

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In October

wraith mason
elder rose
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Alright

This just leaves checking comments on the old sheet

amber fiber
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notsuspicous not listed yet #first-discoveries message They shared a recipe for it, I checked and it's legit

elder rose
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Ah, must've missed them when searching First Discoveries for "unicode", thanks

elder rose
#

To summarise all requests and notes:

  1. Could any contributors during the February and early March period of Unicode check if they had personal storage sheets to keep track of their finds? (for historical purposes)
  2. Does anyone remember whether cZar Void's website was ever up, or the link for it?
  3. Could any editors on the old sheet who have better computers than I do check the comments for missing names?

a. Two new names added to list (though Kali will see them anyway as the second list is unadded)
b. "Key Characters" as showcases for specific sections may not be amiss

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On a third note, I've just remembered [doing this](#1217017057200050257 message). While no recipes ever came from them I do wonder all the same. I'll check in sometime soon

amber fiber
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Added the fixed Neal Case visuals in the doc in a new tab (I know quality sucks when importing, don't worry it's not like that with the originals). Also added more milestones from September, and the dates of different important bugs (prepended space, dequote and white square).

The next things I want to do are: make the script to explain Neal Case using the pics as support (still don't know where we'll put it in the video) and do another illustration to show banned characters and explain why we think they are

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I guess I should just put the files instead of importing (I guess I'm tired I didn't figure it out)

elder rose
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Was there ever an update on why . is banned, now that we know why = (the way extracting the result works) and the whitespaces (trim) are?

paper creek
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it might be a bug

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neal said he'd be looking into it

elder rose
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If he hasn't outright stated he knows why it's not outputting then I'd upgrade the might be to an is

hazy sorrel
hazy sorrel
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also do you want the name of all people that did comment (and the line) or people of which comments got added in?

elder rose
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Every unique person in the comments (where they commented a recipe)

There's some nonsense comments too that don't need to be included

last geyser
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ill see if i can figure out who this is and if they had fd for it

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sullen sparrow
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memer kid

last geyser
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oh

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its q38

last geyser
bronze thicket
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What does DNI mean

elder rose
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Do not interact

Essentially too much excitement could give me another ischemia so I refuse to risk that. Outside of here I'll just be posting so that I don't have to use my friends

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With that said I'm not like emotionless. If you want to joke it's fine, I'll just pop out if I notice things getting "too much"

bronze thicket
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Oh I’m sorry to hear. Well I hope you are okay

golden sky
# elder rose 100 dollars kelvin pounds yen

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golden sky
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i will try find it back

fast lava
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also this is unrelated to unicode, but does anyone know if theres a full list of banned elements

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both banned by neal, and banned by cloudfare

paper creek
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by neal? yeah
by cf? i think having a public list would defeat the point

fast lava
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or at least the elements that we ourselves have found are banned by cloudfare

bronze thicket
hazy sorrel
hazy sorrel
amber fiber
severe apex
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it can also be B2B spaces, but with B2B U+0020, the element is dead

amber fiber
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You mean like {U+0020}Test{U+00A0}{U+0020} -> Test ? I know of this, there just wasn't enough space (ironic I know) in the table for it 😔

bronze thicket
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huh?

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Oh

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In the video there probably will be some cool interactive examples

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I might ask mika about it

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@noble silo can you fill us in on how we can make those custom combos you made? Like even before framework you managed to do it for me, although maybe since you’re editing the video it’s better if you make the examples but it would be really cool if we could do demo combinations that aren’t real but sell a point - but maybe that’s not the best way since people might think it’s real - possibly a simple animated graphic (or just a tree or boxes on a screen with arrows and lines that are moving will work fine

noble silo
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i did it the same way the framework does (but without the framework, before it existed)

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proxy on the getCraftResponse function that checks for the two inputs and gives the fake output

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that’s it

bronze thicket
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okay sure

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get craft response is just exposed right? Don’t need any $children stuff right?

noble silo
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well we don’t use $children at all anymore

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it’s in the container vue virtual dom

bronze thicket
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Oh right

noble silo
bronze thicket
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Have you used before?

noble silo
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no but it can’t be that hard to learn it

midnight topaz
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Are we getting 3b1b level thing for infinite craft documentary

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Amazing

bronze thicket
noble silo
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it’s just python code to make visuals

midnight topaz
noble silo
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i don’t like python much but meh it’s like a use it and forget it type thing

bronze thicket
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Visuals are hard to learn in my experience

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but I don’t have much of it

noble silo
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since it’s not like i’m reusing the code at all, once i have the visuals i don’t need it

bronze thicket
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only like a couple hundred hours

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spread over many years and random stuff

noble silo
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i animated my pfp myself

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it was done entirely in code

bronze thicket
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yeah, sounds pretty difficult

noble silo
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i even chose the easing function myself

bronze thicket
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what’s easing

midnight topaz
bronze thicket
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Yeh I wish I could learn it, but that seems like it might take weeks or months

noble silo
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so like say you want to move a thing from one position to another on screen

bronze thicket
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Usually however it was explained to you works, unless it wasn’t directly explained and was gathered by some other means

midnight topaz
noble silo
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often you want to move it slow at the beginning and faster later, or maybe fast at the beginning and slow down later

bronze thicket
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Okay sure

noble silo
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or maybe you want it to start slow go fast then slow down again

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you use an easing function for that

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https://easings.net/

Easing functions specify the speed of animation to make the movement more natural. Real objects don’t just move at a constant speed, and do not start and stop in an instant. This page helps you choose the right easing function.

bronze thicket
# noble silo it’s just python code to make visuals

I mean matplotlib is also python to make just still frames but even after like 100 hours of use I can’t use it for the life of me, all the implied knowledge and all that and skipping over stuff unintentionally makes it hard

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So how long did it take

noble silo
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idk like half a day

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i made a lot of different versions tho

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so for just the version in my pfp like a few hours

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but there’s a css animation version for use on websites

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a gif version i made for my pfp

bronze thicket
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css animation interesting

noble silo
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a pixelated version because i felt like it

bronze thicket
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I mean such a task seems insurmountable but doing it in a single day is really beyond belief I’d love to see how that works

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like for this maxim, would would be your plan?

noble silo
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look at other peoples work in maxim

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copy them

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get an understanding

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then use it

bronze thicket
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would copying actually give an understanding though? I mean if it works for you I guess I have to try

noble silo
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well you can't just copy paste and expect to learn

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what you can do is read other peoples code and go line by line until you understand what the lines of their code are doing

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and say "oh i want to draw a line from here to here, and this person did it that way, so I could also do it that way"

bronze thicket
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My anxiety be like: ah dang it how do I find some good examples…. Nope too hard 💀
Ehh well I guess it’s something to work on. How about environments and all that? They give me nightmares

noble silo
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My anxiety be like: ah dang it how do I find some good examples…. Nope too hard
I just search for usages on github. I happen to already know some youtubers that use maxim that have uploaded their maxim code to github so thats where im gonna start tho.

bronze thicket
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Oh, I don’t actually check that kind of stuff

noble silo
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How about environments and all that? They give me nightmares
You don't have to understand everything about what you're doing tbh, I made tons of things in node before i even knew what package.json was, i just knew "if i run npm install x i can use it now for some reason", i didn't know why and that why wasn't really relevent to me back then

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i had tons of files in those projects that i didn't know the purpose of, nor did i care really, the project worked and thats good enough for me

bronze thicket
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Yes but also no…. When something different happens then there’s trouble, plus there’s the part where it just doesn’t work very often

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that said even with my understanding it still doesn’t work just as often

noble silo
bronze thicket
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years of pain with environments has really taken its toll

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I’m no better than when I started

noble silo
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well yeah thats what programming is

bronze thicket
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Stuff never works

noble silo
bronze thicket
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The until things work part is what gets me

noble silo
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eventually you look back a few years in the future and realize what you were doing wrong

bronze thicket
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because the until just doesn’t arrive

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but at least I understand a bit better even if it works just as rarely as before

bronze thicket
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I did eventually get there

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I had to find a description of where node searches for packages

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And I found out that it was locking into some other directory that I’d installed in the meantime and it now broke

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which is annoying, having a working project then changing something unrelated and then the project breaking is definitely not what I wanted

noble silo
bronze thicket
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well obviously I’m making a mistake

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But it’s same in python I feel the need to have the actual algorithm for where it looks for things laid out in front of me

bronze thicket
noble silo
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well yes ofc

bronze thicket
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so that’s why I had to look into that

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because I didn’t happen to avoid the mistake right away

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I think what I did wrong was running it from different places or something

noble silo
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one of my first introductions to node was The Coding Train, they're still making programming tutorial type things several years later

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it might be worth a watch

bronze thicket
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I think I get it a little better but yeah with python it’s still very hairy

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Do you plan to use environments here

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Or what

noble silo
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¯_(ツ)_/¯

bronze thicket
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dang, that seems insane to me that you don’t know but are happy to go in…. I’ve suffered so hard I’m just extremely averse to that

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lost months

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But it’s same with just the actual code too tbh

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I get very scared that what I’m gonna write won’t work ages done the track or will be structured poorly and then I need to change it - but then how do I change it effectively while maintaining everything. - and then that flows into benchmarking and then it just runs away

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until I say nope

noble silo
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programming is about failing

bronze thicket
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Yeah I feel I used to be more okay with that, but then I suffered some that set me back months and it got to me

noble silo
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you can't expect to have what you make work going into making it if that makes sense

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i was once making a tool to convert images to a certain color palette

bronze thicket
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yikes that sounds intense

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Can’t think of the name but I watched a video once talking about a technique

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where it’s like the name of the technique or list of algorithms or techniques that you can use to decide colour palette or the colour of pixels within a palette

noble silo
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i spent HOURS getting it right

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and i had so, SO many images that looked so incredibly wrong

bronze thicket
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only hours huh, damn.

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Yeah idk - I think many things I kinda shoved away into abstract uncertain concepts like modifying the code but keeping versions

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That was why I went screw it I need to try git

noble silo
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look at all my attempts

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there were a lot more than these, this is just a subset

noble silo
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i threw myself at this for a long time

bronze thicket
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Neat sample image - is that the minecraft heart?

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it looks like it

noble silo
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no! it's the logo for a project I've made related to r/place

bronze thicket
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oh okay

noble silo
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the one in the bottom right is the "correct" pixelated version

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this is the original

logo192.png
noble silo
bronze thicket
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So what did the problem break down into? like what does converting palette entail

noble silo
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well conceptually it's easy

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loop through every pixel of an image, find the color in the palette closest to the color of that pixel, change that pixel to that palette color

bronze thicket
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Okay sure that’s what you were going for

noble silo
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i spent... a LONG time tracking down what the actual fuck was going wrong

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because thats what programming is

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shit goes wrong, and you just... try shit, and fail, and eventually you find what was wrong

bronze thicket
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Once you have it tamed down to the algorithm that decides what “close” means then it’s fine, right?

noble silo
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sometimes you consult others and they suffer with you

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sometimes you explain your problem to the rubber duck you have sitting on your desk

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mine was gifted to me by a friend in college (the friend is in college, not me)

bronze thicket
noble silo
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i actually ended up going down a huge rabbit hole of "what does close actually mean?"

paper creek
noble silo
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and my final version ended up having like tens of different algorithms for "what does close mean"

bronze thicket
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Yeah I’m thinking of how I’d do that and there’s some things but I don’t remember the name of them

noble silo
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my favorite approach is euclidean distance in oklab color space

bronze thicket
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there’s like, orthogonal projection

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or something

noble silo
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because it's cheap to execute for surprizingly good results

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ciede2000 is also really good but it's slow

bronze thicket
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oklab? Interesting

noble silo
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it's named that way because it was described by its creator as "just ok"

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but like

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it's literally the best modern color space

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bro accidentally made the literal best color space standard for perpetually uniform color space and called it "ok"

bronze thicket
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Different colour spaces? Damn I doubt I’d turn that up

noble silo
bronze thicket
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Yeah

noble silo
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values from 0-255, three of them

bronze thicket
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I know there’s others too, I’ve looked at ISO standards and whatnot

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It’s like

noble silo
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imagine those values on a 3d graph, x, y, and z

bronze thicket
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aaaaa

noble silo
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each point in 3d space is a point in the three rgb values

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rgb is a pretty shit color space to work in for some times

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because it represents not how humans percieve color, but rather how monitors display color

bronze thicket
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Interesting given that’s literally how our eyes work

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But you are right we can perceive mixed colours

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Or unsaturated

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which is hard to describe in rgb

noble silo
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a change of 1 value from 255-254 is much less noticable to the human eye than a change from 2-1

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so often when you're doing visuals, you want to change what color space you're working in to match human vision more

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the oklab article has a good example

bronze thicket
noble silo
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an alg

bronze thicket
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if I knew the name of what it was

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I think I’d be alright

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but I forgor

noble silo
# noble silo the oklab article has a good example

here's a gradient in hsv color space (hue, saturation, value) in which saturation and value are kept the same but hue is the only thing changed throughout the gradient. you notice how some spots on this look "brighter" than others? almost as if the saturation changed. but the saturation didn't change in this color space, it's a gradient through hue

hue_hsv.png
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now here's the same gradient in oklab space, the saturation just looks much more constant, it's a better color space for human vision imo

hue_oklab.png
bronze thicket
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Okay sure

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I mean this is cool but I doubt I’d turn up either this or that

noble silo
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so thats why i like oklab

noble silo
bronze thicket
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I guess like the dark blue looks closer to black than light blue

noble silo
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this graph of the hsv color space lightness as predicted by oklab shows it quite well, this maps to how i precieve the lightness/darkness of the hsv gradient

hue_hsv_lightness.png
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that spot where the blue is looks darker

stray vine
bronze thicket
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If I had less anxiety about finding such info (and was better at finding it) then it would help me so much

noble silo
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i dunno how to help you with that

severe apex
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/delete-anxiety user:rubiksmath

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GG

bronze thicket
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I’m sure most of it is imagined

severe apex
stray vine
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what did I do to brent for him to block me (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

noble silo
severe apex
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I thought the same after I tried it lol

stray vine
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same

noble silo
severe apex
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You actually do have that command available, but you need Tier XVII Eyeballs

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to see it

bronze thicket
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well it sounds very cool, how about the environments? I guess you just go in and see how it pans out? I’m sure that probably works okay but it’s caused enough pain already lol

noble silo
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yeah i just try shit

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if it isn't working out i archive what i did and start over trying something else

bronze thicket
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not scared of irreversible damage? Or very hard to reverse damage?

noble silo
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theres no such thing as irreversible damage when you have git

bronze thicket
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Ehh…. git doesn’t keep track of the entire system state

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which as it turns out is way more important than I thought

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and I now hate with all my soul whoever thought of such a terrible idea

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copying the files and expecting it to work? lol too convenient

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for all I know there’s some registry keys that tell the python what to do and they’ve got values that don’t suit anymore

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My Ubuntu I’ve clean wiped at least 20 times

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To rid the system of the bad driver config

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that’s probably my biggest source of anxiety - the trauma from that still won’t go away

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I lost months of my life and got nothing out of it but pain

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That said I did learn that there is a python equivalent to package.json

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I did not know this before

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so maybe it’s worth a shot with this information in hand

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About the js and css animation and all that - where did you pick up all you needed to do all that in a day? I’m guessing stuff like knowing about easing and all came from prior exposure

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Anyway I can sure try… if I have a starting point I feel okay.

bronze thicket
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Unfortunately I cannot use my pc rn

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grrr

bronze thicket
fast lava
bronze thicket
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Sure we will do this

fast lava
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also, u+0020 is the only one that doesnt combine with multiple of them in a row, right?

fast lava
bronze thicket
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Mika is one person

bronze thicket
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it splits only at space

urban raven
bronze thicket
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For Neal casings

amber fiber
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Individually I mean

severe apex
amber fiber
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Ooohhh I see now thanks for pointing that out

elder rose
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Would there perhaps be space for explaining why the trim was instituted in the first place? Especially since prior to it at least one whitespace character was obtained

severe apex
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Do we even know why space bug happened?

elder rose
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I would assume Neal changed how he extracts output around that time

severe apex
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Thats probably not something client does right?

elder rose
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Yes, the trim is server side

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You don't receive untrimmed output from Pair, unlike the capitalisation normalisation

severe apex
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Had a small sliver of hope it was client side and Mika could fix it

elder rose
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Did Neal ever say anything on that day? I can't remember

noble silo
# elder rose You don't receive untrimmed output from Pair, unlike the capitalisation normalis...

capitalization normalization is something i can "fix"
but... in the past this used to be "unfixed"... the only reason the client gives you the element you already have if you have a different capitalization of it is because that didn't used to be the case and people complained to neal "wHy Do I hAvE tWo Of ThE sAmE tHiNg" and that was regarded as a bug... so it's a bug if it exists and a bug if it doesn't

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so the question is which is really "fixed"

elder rose
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I was there when it was still like that, Mika

noble silo
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because people complain about both

noble silo
elder rose
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As I recall there was a brief discussion in March about Helper normalising all casing

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Ah, sorry

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I wonder if my save still has the two versions of Runescape, actually

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Ah shame, seems to have been wiped

fast lava
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will the strat for dagger be mentioned

elder rose
bronze thicket
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Sheets doesn’t even provide a way to get the comments with code

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How would you get them