Catstone's Lab

[quasi jolt]

what is this

[whole lark]

very important stuff (trust)

[quasi jolt]

is this u doing the alphabetical order thing but just removing 1 of the starting elements at the start?

[whole lark]

yes lol

[quasi jolt]

i cant think of any other ways to do this

than normal and reverse

but someone else is doing this normal order, and i also want this program to run on my pc

how do i set the banned chars

combinerBot(Infinity, 500, 'qwxzy') does this ban q, w, x, z and y

ill try combinerBot(Infinity, 500, 'abct0123456789')

nvm it only did 1 combination

did i do something wrong

oh its cuz of abc banned characters not allowing almost anything

then ill try combinerBot(Infinity, 500, 'iet0123456789')

t banned to get past tectonic, i and e banned just to get past elements quicker

oh it did just 3 combinations, actually lemme unban i

combinerBot(Infinity, 500, 'et0123456789')

god it stopped again

ill do combinerBot(Infinity, 500, 'cdt0123456789')

nvm ok lemme do combinerBot(Infinity, 500, 'cmt0123456789')

ok fine, combinerBot(Infinity, 500, 'ct0123456789')

whataboutjust combinerBot(Infinity, 500, 't0123456789')

ok i dont get it

im either completely clueless or the banned characters thing is bugged, or i dont useit correctly

[quasi jolt]

like shouldnt t be banned

yet i got tornado and tsunami

but no dust

[brisk latch]

Capital

[quasi jolt]

oh

[brisk latch]

It's interesting how any possible additional rules can only ever create subsets (albeit disjoint) of the full run

Well maybe not interesting per se but a nice thought at least

[quasi jolt]

ill do combinerBot(Infinity, 500, 'T0123456789')

oh this one is at least longer than like 5 steps

its already at like 20 elements ok

but since T is banned i wont ever get Tectonic, when i know someone whos also running this script is hard stuck on tectonic

wow im already at S

steampunk plant

steampunk star.. wonder how long ill be stuck at S

Stonehenge

actually ill redo this but ban both S and T

[brisk latch]

Inb4 Zombie

[quasi jolt]

combinerBot(Infinity, 500, 'ST0123456789')

[quasi jolt]

yeah but ill at least get past tectonic

oh and when i added the S ban.. it only got like 10 elements total lol

actually ill unban S then

[brisk latch]

You could ban spaces instead

[quasi jolt]

oo ill do that

combinerBot(Infinity, 500, 'T 0123456789')

oh fuck im already at Wave

well that didnt last long

oh i can try banning spaces without banning T

like just ban on space and numbers

combinerBot(Infinity, 500, '0 123456789')

already at teapot

tectonic

got past tectonic into tempest

tornado

im at Trollface

https://tenor.com/view/trollface-gif-25532101

[whole lark]

honestly i love the emojis on these elements lol

[quasi jolt]

Wave

[quasi jolt]

catstone what do u think about this idea

banning every number and space

rn im at Weed

[whole lark]

well surely you arent gonna get stuck ;p

like most definitly

zombie would never kill your run

[quasi jolt]

yeah but no spaces and no numbers

[quasi jolt]

like all of these elements have multiple spaces

also i wonder if ill get any first discoveries doing this

[whole lark]

well i might have already banned spaces before...

sorry xD

you can let it run tho

[quasi jolt]

wtf

u mean it was banned by default?

hopefully u didnt ban anything else by default

the banned chars thing exists for a reason dont do that

anyways now im at yeti

[whole lark]

no i mean that i did exactly this

[quasi jolt]

yetizilla*

[quasi jolt]

u mean u run by banning the space character on ur pc

[whole lark]

yes.

[quasi jolt]

did u also ban numbers

[whole lark]

no

[quasi jolt]

omg zeus

hmm ok

[quasi jolt]

did it reach the end

[whole lark]

well i didnt let it run long enough

[quasi jolt]

Zompire

yeah this is the end

[whole lark]

definitely

[quasi jolt]

no i got zompyre

its giving a last breath

[whole lark]

and now its gonna start exploding

[quasi jolt]

actually all of these will also run

zomsteam now

[quasi jolt]

i wanna try running it with just space banned later then

Zomstone

zomteapunk

[midnight turtle]

I got an error of having too many requests

[whole lark]

oh.

[quasi jolt]

cuz it was too fast

[whole lark]

does it fix on refresh?

[quasi jolt]

im running it at 500ms rn and its fine

[midnight turtle]

How do I make it run at 500ms?

[whole lark]

i changed the default back to 400

[quasi jolt]

15 more cycles to check

[quasi jolt]

no do it at 500 maybe

loicauns im running it with space, and numbers banned btw

[whole lark]

well mr erk bdfp qmgt xyz vhwj did you get rate limited?

can you not combine anything anymore

[midnight turtle]

Never mind, I closed out browser and started it over

[quasi jolt]

Zomtrollpirecano

[midnight turtle]

It works fine now

[quasi jolt]

wtf it keeps getting more nonsense, 27 cycles left from this somehow..

[whole lark]

also can you type combinerBot() again to stop it because i kinda wonna see your lineage xD

[quasi jolt]

WTF IS ZOMTROLLPIRECANOCOLOSSUS

i thought banning spaces would get rid of nonsense like this but i underestimated the power of Zombie

[midnight turtle]

Okay I'll do it now

[whole lark]

it takes like 10 years to stop tho xd

[midnight turtle]

Nope, it didn't work

[whole lark]

well wait for the cycle message

then it stops

[quasi jolt]

kid named zomtrollpirecanoplanetwitch

[midnight turtle]

@whole lark Here

[quasi jolt]

how does the amount of cycles left just keep increasing

[midnight turtle]

From Cycle 2397 of 2595, 2883607 tried recipes

[quasi jolt]

im at zomtrollpirecanoplantempest with 36 cycles left

[brisk latch]

Me when I encounter infinity

[midnight turtle]

Ouroboros, and putting the "Infinite" in Infinite Craft

[whole lark]

holy wall of text.

[quasi jolt]

is there a setting for maximum length

[whole lark]

yes the first number

[quasi jolt]

dude no way

poseidon

what the fuck how did he get here

anyways.. i have AT LEAST 20 elements left that start with Zomtrolllpirecanoplant

and thats an ultra specific set of letters

dude this might actually go on for near infinity

[whole lark]

Tectonic Teapunk Titanium + Sunflower Tree Pirate = Titanium Teapunk Tectonic Teapunk Titanium Tree Pirate Sunflow
?!?!

literally reached the token limit and er got cut off

[quasi jolt]

catstone u said u ran it with space banned right

[quasi jolt]

im assuming its ur fault why my savefile has no FDs yet

[brisk latch]

Does the script also allow the banning of full subsequences or only individual characters?

[whole lark]

only characters sadly

[quasi jolt]

and btw.. why does it post this thing multiple times

[whole lark]

because all those are dead and it skipped them

[midnight turtle]

He always shows up whenever you least expect it

[quasi jolt]

then whys this 0

[whole lark]

well that only shows deadly capitalized elements

i probably shouldve worded it better

[brisk latch]

Deadly

[quasi jolt]

also i think they all might add to the cycle count

[whole lark]

ye because they are part of the lineage

[quasi jolt]

but dead elements dont combine with anything

wait i confused myself

thats why after i get dead elements cycle count instantly increases by 1 a bunch

cuz each time a dead element fails to combine it increases by 1

ok, btw

how do i make sure that i can resume tomorrow

i want to go to sleep, and first i want to save my progress

[whole lark]

everything saves

you can instantly go back to where you are right now

[quasi jolt]

and after i turn pc back on tomorrow i want it to be perfectly the way it is rn

[whole lark]

just type the same combineBot command

[quasi jolt]

do i need to pause it first

what if i turn off the script

[whole lark]

no just close tab

[quasi jolt]

what if i turn pc off

i rly dont wanna lose progress

so rn its running, do i just close the tab and thats it?

does it autosave

[whole lark]

yes

[brisk latch]

Hm...

Might also be interesting to keep track of the number of uses of each element in the entire path

Perhaps even restricting the number of uses to some low number

[quasi jolt]

and tomorrow after i open my pc and the ic tab back up, i just type combineBot() in the console?

do i not type the arguments in again

[whole lark]

i mean you can try right now if it saved

[whole lark]

just try it ;p

[quasi jolt]

isnt it combinerBot and not combineBot

[quasi jolt]

i dont want to just try it im scared im gonna lose my progress

[quasi jolt]

?

[whole lark]

well im a professional coder so it saves

[quasi jolt]

you are clearly not a professional coder though

[quasi jolt]

and also answer this

this might be bugged

as in the recipes tried count must be bugged

it definitely doesnt test every dead element with every other element in 0.1 seconds in total

[fleet dragon]

keep in mind that looking at all subsequences is expensive (all subwords is quadratic and all substrings is exponential)

[quasi jolt]

before i run the script i started yesterday again ill do combinerBot(20, 500, '0 123456789') on a different browser

20 max character length

i want it to actually end, not reach infinite zombie variations

why does new elements include Tea Bag when space is banned

[quasi jolt]

and it includes Troll 2 when numbers are banned

[quasi jolt]

an hour later and.. idk this might take hours actually

idk how long but it feels like its neverending, despite limiting it to 20 characters max

[quasi jolt]

Zomtrollstorm rn

[quasi jolt]

Zomwind

[midnight turtle]

3000 items after leaving it on all night and restarting it after seeing some errors, as well as 3.5 million recipes

[quasi jolt]

what element are u at lol

[quasi jolt]

with this setting im at Zomwolfman, almost done

[midnight turtle]

I had let the browser run since then but the most recent element finished to completion was Tectonic Tease Tree Pirate Titanic Sunset

And in the time since Tectonic Tease Tree Star Pirate finished

[midnight turtle]

BTW we just hit 3.6 million recipes, cycle 2679 of 3083 (haven't seen a gap that large yet) and current element was Tectonic Tease Tree Sunset Starship

[quasi jolt]

btw i had a bug where my recipe count was higher than it should be

cuz 3.6 million seems a bit ridiculous maybe u also have the same bug possibly

[midnight turtle]

Nope, it seems to be following the same formula from earlier

[quasi jolt]

the recipe counter treated every dead element like it was combined with every other element, which was of course not the case

how do u know the same didnt happen to u

[midnight turtle]

I mostly check to see if it follows the formula

[quasi jolt]

well wouldnt the formula be incorrect if u get a dead element

and the bot just combines it with like one element to see that its dead

actually how does it check if an element is dead

[midnight turtle]

My mentality is the less you need to think about it the fewer problems you need to consider

[quasi jolt]

but then youre sweeping it under the rug

[midnight turtle]

I do remember that Catstone said it omitted certain formulas like ones of the form a + b = a but maybe it's only listing dead elements that could be revived in the future

[quasi jolt]

i remember that elements over 30 characters got included in the recipe calculations when i ran it yesterday

[midnight turtle]

Welp my alphabetization and search function are broken

Actually if you search before trying to alphabetize it seems fine

[quasi jolt]

@whole lark what if i wanted this bot to combine a certain element which a bunch of other elements, for example, if i wanted it to combine Hello with every letter of the alphabet

thats just an example, would it be possible to repurpose this bot to do that

[midnight turtle]

Looks like we got dead elements that are all uppercase

They are: Tectonic Tease Tsunami World, Tectonic Tease Turtle, Tectonic Tease Turtle Island and Tectonic Tease Turtle Star

[fleet dragon]

?

some of those are under the character limit tho?

so ig it has to be exceeding the token limit?

[whole lark]

i just realiced why your recipe counter is so large....
its adding recipes as "done" even if it skipped them because of dead elements

i should probably fix that

[quasi jolt]

i also saw that happen to me yesterday

[whole lark]

at that point you are just making a full infinite craft bot, you can do that yourself

[quasi jolt]

Tectonic Tease Tsunami World is only 12 tokens (i just checked) and i remember someone saying its not even possible to have an element with over 20 tokens

how can it be dead

[quasi jolt]

ok

[quasi jolt]

and its only 28 characters

[whole lark]

@midnight turtle this should fix ginourmos recipe counter

and display the actual recipes tried lol

[quasi jolt]

if i tried to get this new version while the script is running, would i lose any progress

[whole lark]

no

[midnight turtle]

Okay, the new script doesn't consider any of these elements dead

But it turns out this save file's alphabetization function is broken

[whole lark]

well thats probably because it tried again and checked again if they are ded

[whole lark]

wdym?

[midnight turtle]

For example if I try to sort by name it has Tectonic elements at the bottom and not the elements that start with Y and Z

[whole lark]

huh, but i literally changed 1 line of code

so its fully broken now?

[midnight turtle]

Nope, alphabetization was broken before you sent out the latest code

[quasi jolt]

also i remember earlier today, by clicking on the first discovery button the helper gives i saw i had some first discoveries, but when i dragged one of them out of the sidebar it didnt have the first discovery text

[midnight turtle]

I kind of kept quiet about it because I could still run the script no problem but it could be a problem later on

[whole lark]

i mean if it works it works

i dont see the issue tho xD

[fleet dragon]

does this thread have a leaderboard?

[whole lark]

i mean in our collective heads maybe xD

do other threads have leaderboards?

[fleet dragon]

yes they do

[midnight turtle]

The gap is currently 454, that's larger than I've seen at any other point

[midnight turtle]

We're on to Tectonic Tectonic [crap]

[whole lark]

oh you probably already got Tectonic Tectonic right?

[midnight turtle]

Yup, but now we got more shouldn't-be-dead elements

'Tectonic Tectonic Starship', 'Tectonic Tectonic Tectonic', 'Tectonic Tectonic Temple', 'Tectonic Tectonic Templehenge', 'Tectonic Tectonic Templehouse', 'Tectonic Tectonic Treehenge'

[whole lark]

wait, i meant Tectonic Tectonic Tectonic Tectonic Tectonic Tectonic Tectonic Tectonic

[whole lark]

well then try refreshing the bot again

[brisk latch]

How is "death" determined exactly?

[midnight turtle]

Bot refresh means no more issues

[midnight turtle]

I had to start it over but we're back on Tectonic Tease [etc]

Oh no...OH NO...RECIPES AREN'T SAVING

Actually let me restart the bot

Nope, it's still an issue

@whole lark This is now a significant issue

[whole lark]

hm?

[midnight turtle]

Recipes aren't saving

[whole lark]

they save every 5 minutes and if you close the tab

[midnight turtle]

Flour and Paper are in the savefile but there are no saved recipes for it

[whole lark]

but not if you force close it

[midnight turtle]

How can I get it to start saving all the recipes?

[whole lark]

oh wait thats something different then

[midnight turtle]

Then what do we do?

[whole lark]

well it doesnt really matter

[midnight turtle]

It kind of does to me, especially since there are short elements like Templetown that need to be part of the lineage at some point

This is a check

[midnight turtle]

We do have a concern-worthy issue: Templetown should be on this list but isnt

[whole lark]

well you arent at tem yet right?

[midnight turtle]

But that element was constructed

Templetown was constructed with elements earlier than it in the alphabet and may not be crafted again

[whole lark]

well it might be because of the error recipes you had

[midnight turtle]

I've decided that even if it's a risk I have to start over in my second alt chrome browser

[whole lark]

and that i might be handling errors like that poorly...

[whole lark]

i mean i could make it only rerun recipes that have Nothing as a result

[midnight turtle]

Give me a sec to test something

[midnight turtle]

Nope, not even closing out and starting over saved the recipe

I'm going to have to be very careful from now on

[quasi jolt]

update - its still not over, despite the restrictions of max 20 chars, no spaces and no numbers!

i am currently at Zomwolfvampstormwind, at 374/388 cycles checked

there are still multiple Zomwolfvamp... elements left in the queue

after them, the queue has 4 elements - Zomwood, Zomzeus, Zomzilla, Zomzombie - but all of them almost certainly will go into massive rabbitholes, and im almost certain it will take multiple days to finish, if not more, despite how close to the finish line i am

[midnight turtle]

Ouroboros much

[brisk latch]

I'm not sure the snake is eating its own tail so much as the snake is undergoing extreme mitosis

[midnight turtle]

But the Ouroboros does get longer as it continues to eat its own tail

[quasi jolt]

Zomzillapireweed

[fleet dragon]

completed?

[midnight turtle]

Nope I took a break from it

[fleet dragon]

I would like to make a goofy ahh request

I wanna see what the program generates starting from Butt Worm

[midnight turtle]

Nope, Butt Worm is not part of this lineage because it starts at Dust

[fleet dragon]

don't you get to choose where it starts?

[midnight turtle]

No, because the way I run it it starts from the four base elements and only builds upon itself

[fleet dragon]

sadge

[whole lark]

well you can if you go to the script itself

well its probably gonna end in 1 step if i had to guess

[fleet dragon]

because it’d only try combining with the 4 base elements? (silly question I know but I haven’t been paying any attention to how the program works lol)

[midnight turtle]

Sorry but I've lost interest in this project

[quasi jolt]

why does the tab use 2.4gb memory

like that's a bad thing right

[subtle fiber]

Is this finished?

[midnight turtle]

Nope, we kind of gave up because it's going to go on for too long

[fleet dragon]

why not impose some constraints to make the project more exciting then?

for example you could impose that consecutive elements don’t have the same first word

@quasi jolt MRRRRROoOooooOoOoOOoooOOOW

[quasi jolt]

wouldnt that end in like 10 minutes

or what if we didnt start from base elements

[fleet dragon]

I’ve already said that I really like this idea - I hope it’s implemented

[quasi jolt]

catstone made the script

now we need to figure out a way to summon him

/summon Catstone

didnt seem to work 😿

[whole lark]

well hello there

[quasi jolt]

so would u add a feature to change base elements

[fleet dragon]

^ :D

[fleet dragon]

might be fun to start this project back up once https://discord.com/channels/1203527044957208596/1227953064238120972 is complete 👀

[whole lark]

i mean we could do something fun where we get the longest lineage of elements increasing in length

then it wouldn't be brute force

[fleet dragon]

the chains wouldnt be anywhere near long enough to be interesting tho

[whole lark]

true

well the project kinda died because i was not handling responses correctly sometimes

and recipes "bugged" and would be stored as resultiong Nothing

no idea how to fix that

[hollow lintel]

wat

is this

[midnight turtle]

Find the longest lineage of elements where every result element is in alphabetical order

[hollow lintel]

oh ok

what's current best?

[midnight turtle]

Unknown, currently the word "Tectonic" is the lineage's lifeblood

[hollow lintel]

erkbdfpqmgtxyzvhwj

[quasi jolt]

@whole lark have you submitted your savefile from here to the infinibrowser yet

or wait is it loicauns that ran the script for a lot of time, maybe i should have pinged him instead

[midnight turtle]

I combined it with my existing savefile then submitted that

[quasi jolt]

👍

[midnight turtle]

And also Loicauns from this point forward is pronounced "loy" (as in alloy) then "cons" (as in pros and cons)

[subtle fiber]

@broken cave I think you can resolve this thread

Surely we'll have to do it multiple times because dead/zombie element tho

[whole lark]

i have done something similar but different (epic revive of the thread)

i wonder if this lineage has to end at some point, unlike the alphabetical one

there are also these 3 others, but i didnt extend them yet ``` 2 - (14) Lineage:
Water + Water = Lake
Fire + Water = Steam

3 - (15) Lineage:
Fire + Fire = Volcano
Earth + Water = Plant
Wind + Wind = Tornado

1 - (18) Lineage:
Earth + Earth = Mountain```

[whole lark]

for exact same size on all elements in the lineage these are all: ``` 1 - (5,5,4) Lineage:
Water + Water = Lake

3 - (5,4,5) Lineage:
Water + Fire = Steam
Steam + Wind = Cloud
Cloud + Wind = Storm

2 - (4,4,7) Lineage:
Fire + Fire = Volcano
Wind + Wind = Tornado

3 - (5,5,5) Lineage:
Earth + Water = Plant
Plant + Water = Swamp
Swamp + Water = Marsh

4 - (5,4,4) Lineage:
Earth + Fire = Lava
Water + Wind = Wave
Earth + Wind = Dust
Earth + Wave = Sand

1 - (5,5,8) Lineage:
Earth + Earth = Mountain

1 - (4,4,5) Lineage:
Fire + Wind = Smoke```

[whole lark]

Rule: All recipes have to have the same length, these are all lineages:

@midnight turtle epic revive of this thread

[midnight turtle]

I haven't been able to do Infinite Craft since the coding change

[whole lark]

i dont think ima continue running the code because next generation of both of these lineages require more than 100k recipes

[whole lark]

funny thing is, anything in this lineage can have their own funky lineages, here is a 40-step Fart asciidoc Earth + Fire = Lava Water + Wind = Wave Fire + Wind = Smoke Fire + Wave = Steam Earth + Wave = Sand Wave + Wind = Storm Lava + Wave = Stone Smoke + Water = Fog Smoke + Wave = Surf Earth + Steam = Mud Fire + Sand = Glass Sand + Wave = Beach Sand + Storm = Dune Stone + Wave = Rock Fog + Smoke = Cloud Surf + Surf = Ocean Mud + Water = Swamp Fire + Glass = Lens Cloud + Wave = Rain Ocean + Ocean = Sea Fog + Swamp = Ghost Lens + Ocean = Fish Dune + Rain = Oasis Beach + Sea = Shore Rock + Sea = Island Ghost + Water = Ice Fish + Swamp = Frog Island + Sea = Ship Fog + Frog = Prince Ship + Shore = Dock Ice + Prince = Snow Dock + Oasis = Port Fire + Snow = Water Glass + Port = Wine Steam + Wine = Stew Fish + Wine = Drunk Stew + Water = Soup Drunk + Lens = Blur Blur + Soup = Blurp Blurp + Wind = Fart // 40 ::

here are 2 different length Anime lineages (40-step and 21-step)

[whole lark]

3 different Swamps: asciidoc Water + Wind = Wave Fire + Wave = Steam Earth + Steam = Mud Mud + Water = Swamp // 4 :: ``````asciidoc Water + Water = Lake Earth + Lake = Swamp // 2 :: ``````asciidoc Earth + Water = Plant Plant + Water = Swamp // 2 ::

[whole lark]

3 different Teas: asciidoc 33 - (Tea) Lineage: Earth + Fire = Lava Water + Wind = Wave Fire + Wind = Smoke Fire + Wave = Steam Earth + Wave = Sand Wave + Wind = Storm Lava + Wave = Stone Smoke + Water = Fog Smoke + Wave = Surf Earth + Steam = Mud Fire + Sand = Glass Sand + Wave = Beach Sand + Storm = Dune Stone + Wave = Rock Fog + Smoke = Cloud Surf + Surf = Ocean Mud + Water = Swamp Fire + Glass = Lens Cloud + Wave = Rain Ocean + Ocean = Sea Lens + Ocean = Fish Dune + Rain = Oasis Beach + Sea = Shore Rock + Sea = Island Fish + Swamp = Frog Island + Sea = Ship Earth + Frog = Toad Ship + Shore = Dock Dock + Oasis = Port Port + Toad = Porta Earth + Porta = Pot Earth + Pot = Plant Plant + Steam = Tea // 33 :: ``````asciidoc 12 - (Tea) Lineage: Water + Water = Lake Fire + Water = Steam Lake + Water = Ocean Steam + Wind = Cloud Ocean + Water = Fish Cloud + Water = Rain Fish + Steam = Sushi Earth + Rain = Plant Earth + Sushi = Rice Earth + Plant = Tree Rice + Tree = Bamboo Bamboo + Steam = Tea // 12 :: ``````asciidoc 18 - (Tea) Lineage: Fire + Fire = Volcano Earth + Water = Plant Wind + Wind = Tornado Plant + Water = Swamp Fire + Swamp = Dragon Dragon + Plant = Tree Earth + Tree = Forest Tornado + Tree = Wood Fire + Forest = Smoke Volcano + Wood = Fire Smoke + Smoke = Cloud Cloud + Forest = Rain Plant + Rain = Flower Flower + Water = Lily Fire + Lily = Phoenix Phoenix + Water = Ash Ash + Plant = Tobacco Tobacco + Water = Tea // 18 ::

[hollow lintel]

im a bit consufes

confused

[whole lark]

good

[hollow lintel]

CC @S 👕 0 N E

[whole lark]

this is now my lab channel

fun stuff with parentheses:```10 - Banana:
Earth + Wind + Earth + Fire + (Water + Earth + Earth) + Wind + (Earth + Earth)

10 - Cat:
Water + Water + Water + Water + Water + Fire + (Earth + Wind + Water) + Earth

13 - Alphabet:
Earth + Wind + Earth + Fire + Wind + (Fire + Wind) + Wind + Earth + (Earth + Earth + (Earth + Earth))

13 - Q:
Fire + Earth + Water + (Fire + Wind) + Water + (Fire + Fire) + (Earth + Wind + Earth) + Water + Fire

13 - T:
Fire + Water + Fire + (Water + Earth) + (Water + Earth + Wind + Earth) + (Fire + Water + (Water + Earth))

13 - Pi:
Earth + Wind + Earth + Fire + (Water + Earth + Earth) + (Fire + Water) + (Earth + Wind + Wind + Water)

13 - No:
Water + Water + Water + Earth + Earth + (Fire + Water + (Water + Wind)) + (Earth + Earth + Wind + Wind)

actually, since i generated all 13"step" elements, i know this 14"step" one is optimal

[whole lark]

-2 with parentheses allowed7 - Poseidon: Water + Wind + Water + (Fire + Water) + Earth + Earth

these are speedrun lineages lol

you can do them so fast

With Parentheses, up to 13"step"s

 Fire + Wind + (Water + Earth) + Water + Wind + Wind + (Water + Water + Water + Water + Water + Fire)```

[midnight turtle]

Catstone's Lab

[whole lark]

oh lol

[midnight turtle]

I mean this thread isn't being used for anything else now

[whole lark]

@sage lark i found you
Water + Earth + Wind + Water + Fire + (Water + Wind + Water) + (Water + Wind + Earth + Fire + Fire + Earth)

actually, this is not too different from your bio i just realized
Wind + Earth -> Dust * 2 -> Sand + Fire -> Glass + Water -> Wine + Wind -> Balloon + Wine -> Party + (Dust + Glass) -> Stargazing

[quasi jolt]

this is for just combinging elements with one of 4 base elements repeatedly? how far does this go?

[whole lark]

well without parentheses its not infinite, this should be all

with parentheses ofcourse its infinite

[quasi jolt]

u could restrict it to be with parenthses but only 1, 2 or 3 of the 4 base elements are allowed

[whole lark]

 Water + Water + Water + Water + Water + Fire + (Earth + Wind + Water) + (Earth + Wind + Earth + Earth + Wind) + (Earth + Wind + Fire + Water + Water + Fire + (Fire + Earth + Water) + (Fire + Water + Fire + (Water + Earth)))

these 2 are the final combination:

 Earth + Wind + Fire + Water + Water + Fire + (Fire + Earth + Water) + (Fire + Water + Fire + (Water + Earth))
14 - Catwolf: 
 Water + Water + Water + Water + Water + Fire + (Earth + Wind + Water) + (Earth + Wind + Earth + Earth + Wind)```

[whole lark]

With Parentheses, up to 15"step"s now
i don't think i will continue this further

[whole lark]

i could also include a * 2

because right now the best Mountain Range recipe looks like this: 4 - Mountain Range: Earth + Earth + (Earth + Earth)

even tho thats only 2 steps (in normal steps)

(Earth + Earth)*2

but ehh

[quasi jolt]

wdym * 2?

oh

looks weird

but i wonder how far u can get from just each base element with parentheses allowed

[whole lark]

i think it was proven that you can get from each base element individually to all others

but would be funny to see a lineage for Fire that looks roughly like this
Water + Water + (Water + Water + Water + Water) + Water + Water + Water

[quasi jolt]

but can u get from each base element to other base elements if all combinations involve that base element

[whole lark]

i can run it real quick using only Water

will be funny to see lineages

oh no, after 30 elements still no Fire xd

this will be a long lineage

[whole lark]

 Water + Water + Water + Water + (Water + Water + Water) + (Water + Water) + (Water + Water + Water + (Water + Water) + (Water + Water + Water + Water)) + (Water + Water + Water + (Water + Water) + (Water + Water + Water + Water) + (Water + Water) + Water) + (Water + Water) + (Water + Water + Water + Water + (Water + Water)) + (Water + Water + Water + Water + Water) + Water + (Water + Water) + (Water + Water + Water + Water + Water)

59 - Earth: 
 Water + Water + Water + Water + (Water + Water + Water) + (Water + Water) + (Water + Water + Water + (Water + Water) + (Water + Water + Water + Water)) + (Water + Water + Water + (Water + Water) + (Water + Water + Water + Water) + (Water + Water) + Water) + (Water + Water) + Water + (Water + Water + Water + Water) + Water + (Water + Water + Water + (Water + Water) + (Water + Water + Water + Water) + (Water + Water) + (Water + Water) + (Water + Water + Water + Water + (Water + Water))) + (Water + Water)

Wind still missing at 64 lool

following those lineages would literally be a pain, someone should do that

[fleet dragon]

I don’t understand what you’re doing - if you’re allowing arbitrary parenthesization then that’s literally just Infinite Craft…

[quasi jolt]

@fleet dragon this is all of the elements u get without using parentheses

so its not infinite elements or anything

[whole lark]

yes and thats exactly the fun of it lol

finding the curstest way to write lineages

actually i have an idea

 Fire + Fire + (Fire + Fire) + (Fire + Fire + (Fire + Fire)) + (Fire + Fire) + (Fire + Fire) + (Fire + Fire + Fire) + (Fire + Fire) + (Fire + Fire)


41 - Water: 
 Fire + Fire + (Fire + Fire) + (Fire + Fire + (Fire + Fire)) + (Fire + Fire) + (Fire + Fire) + (Fire + Fire + Fire) + (Fire + Fire) + (Fire + Fire + (Fire + Fire)) + (Fire + Fire + Fire + (Fire + Fire)) + (Fire + Fire + (Fire + Fire)) + Fire + Fire + (Fire + Fire + (Fire + Fire)) + (Fire + Fire + (Fire + Fire)) + Fire

normal way to write it

[whole lark]

craftfuck way to write it```19 - Earth:
ff(ff)(ff(ff))(ff)(ff)(fff)(ff)(ff)

41 - Water:
ff(ff)(ff(ff))(ff)(ff)(fff)(ff)(ff(ff))(fff(ff))(ff(ff))ff(ff(ff))(ff(ff))f```

every single recipe can technically be written using just 3 characters with this method:
f, ( and )

not sure if 2 characters could somehow be possible

i need to find a wind recipe tho

[sage lark]

Pretty sure 2 if possible if dff means (ff), ddfff ((ff)f), dfdff f(ff), ddfff (ff)f, dddfdffddffff (((f(ff))((ff)f))f) (if I didn't typo, on phone right now.
So like prefix notation where you process any substring of "dff"

[whole lark]

im gonna go 1 step further:
if you map ) -> 0, ( -> 1 and f -> 2 then you can represent each recipe as a number. now you can repeat a . that amount of times and boom you can represent any recipe using just 1 character!!
(can be upgraded by using base 3, so the numbers are not as big)

not at all gonna be readable tho, its just possible

(send from a ghost in dms to me)

which matches this 41 - Water: ff(ff)(ff(ff))(ff)(ff)(fff)(ff)(ff(ff))(fff(ff))(ff(ff))ff(ff(ff))(ff(ff))f

so we can now assign a unique id to every lineage!!!

(there definitely aren't smarter ways to do this)

[strange hazel]

interesting

[midnight turtle]

You have reawaken a slumbering dragon

[strange hazel]

:vs_st_noted:

[forest hamlet]

lab of hellfire club

[warm night]

I'm pretty new to this server in general, but I've played Infinite Craft since the first month it came out. It took me a long time for me to actually join this server, but I had only learned there was a Infinite Craft Discord server about 5 months ago when I submitted my save file for the first time. I was already around 25000 elements on my save file when I submitted it for the first time, and have created another 70000 elements since then.

As a consequence of joining this server nearly 2 years since Infinite Craft has been out, there's a lot of discussions that I wasn't around to experience. So I'm enjoying going through and reading some of the popular posts under the Bounty Board section.

I read though the entire history of this channel, and this was a very fascinating experiment that @whole lark did with creating and using a script that can automate the process of matching elements with each other. Since the most recent version of your script appears to be over 1 year old at this point, it's safe to assume it wouldn't work with the current Infinite Craft. Do you have an updated version that works today? I would never use it on my actual save file that is approaching 100000 elements at this point, only on a brand new save file if I wanted to try it out.