wdym?
#Longest element in Infinite Craft
fossil relic
Hold on I'll find an example
shy linden
crude flaxBOT
shy linden
lutalicelute what the?
arctic swallow
:0
shy linden
๐ฎ
dry yew
this tech works best in quotes
dry yew
what changed again...
fossil relic
There was a period of a few days where alternate capitalised FDs would show on your FD list
arctic swallow
is that different unicode of letter or all same?
arctic swallow
ur going good
keep it up
shy linden
ur going good
keep it up
how has no one tried before?
Repeat 160 Times + Repeat 320 Times
dry yew
because they don't work!
shy linden
๐
arctic swallow
i dont even have any of these tech
im just hanging around
shy linden
lol
๐
how do these others get longer with fewer tokens?
getting longer?
nope still 56 ๐ฆ
My Personal Leaderboard
1st Place - "alutationlutaensis... (57 characters)
2nd Place - "lutaensis... and "sphendone... (56 characters)
and those are the only ones that break 50 so far
arctic swallow
try something that start from something else instead of a or l
shy linden
interesting
it could go 1 letter more but it didnt
assimilated is 4 tokens but assimilation is 3
here we go
@dry yew wat
23 tokens!?
can it do that?
dry yew
that shouldn't be possible
arctic swallow
delete 2 tokens :> then it is
timid stratus
do you want a list of words that are one token
it would make it easier to get longer things
shy linden
do you want a list of words that are one token
yes
timid stratus
dry yew
whoever decided to not sort it by descending order is evil
fossil relic
I wonder who
shy linden
whoever decided to not sort it by descending order is evil
lol
its fine tho
since this thing exists
@dry yew isnt this solved? since all of these were used?
shy linden
oh
arctic swallow
lmao
shy linden
The 20 times (FD)
repeat it 20 times works
to an extent
idk how to escape it tho
@arctic swallow @dry yew Arepeatit20times
dry yew
but does it work
shy linden
A Repeat It 20 Times With Spacing
imma test this out
@dry yew seems to be near dead
but this worked
on a curly
dry yew
if it doesn't remove the quotes then it's pretty much useless
shy linden
if it doesn't remove the quotes then it's pretty much useless
true
this works on curly now (top)
but it doesnt help in any way
shy linden
Just completed my sheet of 1-token 2 letter combinations
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1FNKaNXuYh6XAZco1NFH_t2WmOZ1Fun8FSwRAai-4ft4/edit?usp=sharing
steel sand
how are you supposed to get this item, i cant find it out
steep scaffold
how are you supposed to get this item, i cant find it out
this?
harsh wave
so when does the capitalisation affect tokens
sometimes it does and sometimes it doesnโt
so sometimes it has to be I. Quotes for max repeat and sometimes it doesnโt
dry yew
mine
dry yew
it's actually just css
which is ready for use but i'm too lazy to host the font files
maybe i'll put it on github
timid stratus
nice
i was wondering
how did you put stuff like
under the element
im not really good at css
dry yew
yea that's the userscript
timid stratus
yeah but like what property is it
dry yew
/* tooltips from script */
.item.instance::before {
content: attr(tooltip);
position: absolute;
font-size: .75em;
bottom: 0;
left: 50%;
transform: translate(-50%, calc(100% + 6px));
color: var(--l-light-2);
opacity: .4;
white-space: pre;
}```thanks
dry yew
the tooltip attr is set from the script with something like node.setAttribute("tooltip", tooltips.join("\n"));
honestly i can just override the container for fd but i'm just too lazy for that
timid stratus
who's yoruzo?
how did you put the text under it tho? thats what i dont get
like with javascript
dry yew
the text is displayed with css lmao
timid stratus
no i mean like
idk how to explain
yeah i know its displayed with css
what code did you use
to know the element is in curly quotes
and give it the class
not know the element is in curly quotes
but like when the element is spawned on the board
how do you do something when an element is spawned on the board
thats what i want to know
dry yew
i watch the instance container for changes, and when there's a new element i set the attributes and add events from them there
timid stratus
oh thanks
dry yew
function doStuffOnMutation(instances, mutations) {
for (const mutation of mutations) {
if (mutation.addedNodes.length > 0)
for (const node of mutation.addedNodes) {
// stuff
}
}
}
function init({ instances }) {
const instanceObserver = new MutationObserver((mutations) => {
doStuffOnMutation(instances, mutations);
});
instanceObserver.observe(instances, {
childList: true,
subtree: true
});
}```
shy linden
i should make the opacity bigger
wait how do you do it?
timid stratus
```ts
function doStuffOnMutation(instances, mutations) {
for (const mutation...
using this and some if statements
shy linden
using this and some if statements
alr
idk how to do that so uhh
ill have to check my unicode manually ๐ญ
timid stratus
let me check if it works on fds first
shy linden
let me check if it works on fds first
oh yeah
dry yew
should
shy linden
let me check if it works on fds first
i want to see if what you did works on this thing
if every unicode char appears there...
shy linden
nah its only on 2 letter elements
oh ok
can i change it tho
so every element has it?
dry yew
"lets see the charcodes for this 319 characters long element"
timid stratus
can i change it tho
sure its really easy to change
shy linden
"lets see the charcodes for this 319 characters long element"
only 29 chars
16 tokens 29 chars
fossil relic
Wait why would you want to see the Unicode breakdown of that?
Is this just a curiosity thing?
shy linden
Is this just a curiosity thing?
ye i just want to see what it looks like
timid stratus
i think its missing a digit
shy linden
i think its missing a digit
**uh**``oh
fossil relic
Is it not Tibetan?
timid stratus
it should say 0x0f19
fossil relic
Oh, that kind
shy linden
๐ญ
fossil relic
Meh
The leading digit is a formality really to make tofu boxes the same width
dry yew
just do ```
0x${text.charCodeAt().toString(16).toUpperCase().padStart(4, "0")}
shy linden
1-token 2-letter combos
brisk egret
that's a cool data visualization
arctic swallow
now we just need to know the other versions
AA aa aA
not that we can find em all though ๐
probs not required, just gonna throw random words to tokenizer & see what works
worn heath
the longest technical token I could find was 319 characters
is that about what you guys found?
worn heath
Oh I see
harsh wave
technical token? what is that
shy linden
technical token? what is that
srsly?
if its over 21 tokens the item cannot be crafted
harsh wave
im aware of that
shy linden
oh ok
harsh wave
but i havent seen the term "technical token" before
shy linden
but i havent seen the term "technical token" before
theyre the same i think
harsh wave
alr
modest verge
E>
modest verge
isnt that in latin extended G or smt
jade steppe
i have a 94 character with 21 tokens is that good
arctic swallow
chrck pinned for references
harsh wave
where curly recipe at
harsh wave
lets say i wanted to make unquote and repeat 20 times just for kicks - ive been trying a bit but best ive got is "nquo" - but i am only using the "alphabet" really and i know theres other strats like "a-" or "..a" or "a." and all number of other things I and have used from time to time but what might you guys do
worthy oriole
lets say i wanted to make unquote and repeat 20 times just for kicks - ive been ...
Alt-alphabet tips #1215495041049436170 message
harsh wave
yeah i know that - but i need more concrete examples - im getting there but im still nowhere near being able to make more or less whatever, and let alone in 5 mins like some people
as i said best i got is "nquo"
while looking at a lineage can help a bit - it hides all the failed attempts
so the learning is not as good
dry yew
harsh wave
also dont restrict your self to just "a"
if you think theres something better to try please do
it will force me to get those tools cause i dont have em all
dry yew
also "unq" + Quotation = "unquote"
harsh wave
and how would i know that
dry yew
just try
harsh wave
yeah i get that - i tried lots of things of similar ish vain
like "a-" + quote
but i cant test them all - well maybe i can but i need a checklist or a way to organise what i need to test
dry yew
i wouldn't recommend "alphabet-" before you can build words consistently
harsh wave
i dont think i would have thought to test that though
dry yew
i mean i only tested that because i don't have Quote lmao
harsh wave
i would have tested things that are sorta simlar but i most likely would have picked the wrong one
what about that made you try it
dry yew
i typed quote and backspace'd until i get a word that isn't in quotes
harsh wave
i cant get the list of what i tried which is a bit of a shame
because i know the idea is there but the execution isnt - like i see example so i try it and its just not quite there cause im missing the mark slightly
"aunqu" + "o" = "aunqo"
when i see that i get annoyed probably because i dont know what to do
harsh wave
ok so i guess i need to get single quotes alphabet then
i dont have quotation so i wouldnt have been able to try it
dry yew
it's right after normal quoted so it usually appends to the end
you can also get most 2 letter pairs with it
harsh wave
quotation mark i have and quote i have, i even have unquote from a while ago (unintentional)
harsh wave
I might just hunt all the 2 letter combos real quick and then start doing that for other stuff too
dry yew
ehh you don't need them
harsh wave
seems like i do - im sick of searching up a 2 letter combo only to find i dont have it
if you already had Unquote (as i did) - would you still try and get "unquote" the same way?
dry yew
what
harsh wave
well you got "unquote" from "unq" + Quotation
but if you had Unquote already
would you try to get it in quotes some other way
i forgot how i got Unquote but i even have Delete The Unquotation Marks
lul
dry yew
you didn't have helper script?
harsh wave
no i did
ill check rn
Not + Quotation Marks
but im mainly asking about "unquote" since isnt that the first step or nah
dry yew
ohh
you're making Unquote And Repeat 20 Times
i thought you were making Unquote and Repeat 20 Times
modern lion
Is it possible longer words could exist in other languages
dry yew
i doubt
harsh wave
yeah I want to try make that
Just for fun
and if by some miracle it works that would be cool
dry yew
i mean we tried Repeat 20 Times And Unquote
generally you'd want your prompt to be short and concise
ai is really bad at following long/complicated instructions
also i tried Repeat 20 Times And Print but no hope either
oh i just thought of something
viscid cipher
don't some tokens also include multiple words?
dry yew
String.prototype.repeat.apply and String.prototype.repeat.call
dry yew
don't some tokens also include multiple words?
aka addEventListener
but getting words to be capitalized properly is really hard
harsh wave
i mean you are able to get those elements and i am not so a lof of this is a learning process
dry yew
i don't actually know how i will get .apply and .call lmao
Mr. doesn't work because of character limit
but i did manage to get Array.prototype.redude.apply by accident
viscid cipher
aka `addEventListener`
i mean like full on sentences
like can't a sentence be a single token in llama?
if it's really really common
dry yew
what are you trying to get
tool to repeat strings
oh yea i managed to get the <s> token but it isn't that useful
harsh wave
ok well what i have learned is that after you get the first word
adding .letter is a good next step
dry yew
. is usually replaced with space when you remove quotes
harsh wave
well i still end up doing it by hash
which honestly
im no better at unhashing than unquoting
lul
dry yew
prepend hashtag doesn't remove the periods
but sometimes llama says "nope" and make your element a domain name
harsh wave
ok well didnt work
"aunquote" + both .a and .an just gets eaten
dont have a backup plan
dry yew
delete the a
harsh wave
id be fighting againt immense odds would i not
dry yew
you can add it back if you do manage to stick the .a/.an to it
dry yew
rip
another thing to try is appending just a single period
usually with Full Stop
or "." or Period
harsh wave
alright
i will get Full stop since i dont have it
Add period worked
very epic
for both "unquote" and "bunquote" (cute bun)
im gonna organise it a bit more so i lose less time with my messy af board
dry yew
i have a script that makes the board pannable so you can effectively have as much stuff as yoi can
dry yew
ikr
i'm probably gonna release that some time this week
btw have you had any success with reverse searching for a lineage
harsh wave
got alphabet trolled
the . only got added to "unquote" and "bunquote"
so "an" snapped to the front
i guess next is .a
wow .a and .an got eaten all 4 times
hardy tree
its not fully updated but the record still stands
ok
wait btw how to get repeat 20 times
harsh wave
theres a lineage for it if you scroll down
well
you scroll down from the top score then theres a reply to the lineage
harsh wave
of course it adds just fine when alphabetically it has to be prepended
what do i do now
fossil relic
Not much, since those are dead
harsh wave
well yes
but the main point is its not where it needs to be
i want it appended
welli ve got "..unquote." now
is that good?
fossil relic
I admit I'm not quite sure what you're going for
harsh wave
ah well i was just wanting to get unquote and repeat 20 times - mainly for practice and tbh its not going too bad
i have "..unquote.and.ra"
better than i thought id do
fossil relic
Very nice
harsh wave
ill look at TLD sheet
for .re
...... it isnt there
must be another sheet
like it purposely skips .re for a reason right
it must be somewhere else
ah i see
me silli
wow "20" seems purposely resilient
cant get it rn
there we go
meanwhile "tim" - i cant get them - like okay for longer strings the number of options and tools opens up
but wtf do i do for short ones that just wont
they just refuse
fossil relic
If you've already built up the preceding sequence "time" should suffice
harsh wave
i dont have the preceding sequence
20 wont add so im thinking of just adding "repeat20times"
well it wont add - but lets say i had to add it and there was no getting around it - i need to force myself to get the curly variants and single quote variants dont it
to increase options
i keep putting it off - ptsd from getting this far /s
duuuude
instead of appending and finishing my element
it repeated repeat 20 times
20 times
hope this is workable
dry yew
it probably is
harsh wave
its too long
its dead
why did it have to add extra dots for no reason
also sorry i forgor - how to unquote without going via hashtag i
dry yew
add parts of what you're trying to make
harsh wave
ok
dry yew
also English Sentence works but very rarely
dry yew
i think you should just make Unquote And Repeat then add it to Repeat 20 Times
harsh wave
i might try later
ive tried adding a dot to the start of repeat20times
to see if i can get that going
dry yew
ab + bc = abc strat works surprisingly well
harsh wave
yes thats true
but again im trying to prac
add period adds to end so i might have had to have it from the start
dry yew
i would use alphabets to spell 3 words max
harsh wave
how would you try doing it from here
dry yew
i think you should just make Unquote And Repeat then add it to Repeat 20 Times
i would do that
harsh wave
should i try deleting the leading dots from the "..unquote.and.re.peat"
dry yew
just try hashtagging it to see if it disappears
harsh wave
i mean sure but unhashtagging is about as hard as unquoting
i like when all 6 of my deleting periods and dots do nothing
Delete Period, Delete Periods, Delete The Period, Delete The Periods, Delete The Dot, Delete The Dots all had no effect
fossil relic
Get Delete The Hyphen(s) if you haven't
Best unhashtagger
dry yew
nah best unhashtagger is clearly [not using hashtag and mr. it instead]
harsh wave
ok well i hashtagged it
fossil relic
That's not unhashtagging though
Checkmate, atheist
dry yew
just combine it with Repeat 20 Times to see what happens
the hashtag should hoist it to the front
harsh wave
i actually dont yet have that yet but i almost have it
damn none of the hashtags worked for repeat 20 times - i mean i dont have them all but you guys got a lota extras lul - but ill check the recipe again
wait
it uses curlies
i dnot have those
dry yew
getting the curly "" should be simple
harsh wave
well there will be recipes around
dry yew
it's in the pins of alt alphabet thread lol
harsh wave
danm i got a Nothing
from #unquote.and.re.peat + Repeat 20 Times
i dont want re.peat
i feel like that is throwing it off
i added .re then "peat" and it put a dot there
dry yew
eh if nothing works there is always curly
it consistently appends to the end but is harder to unquote
harsh wave
well i just wanted advice on getting say ".repeat" - if theres a simpler way than adding to "..r" that is
because i think i am capable of that at this point
or close to it
if its stubborn then i might not be
dry yew
have you tried adding Repeat to the .r and .re version
harsh wave
just Repeat on its own to "unquote.and.re" ?
i dont have a .r version
it refused to add so i had to do .re
dry yew
just Repeat on its own to "unquote.and.re" ?
yea
harsh wave
Nothing
dry yew
rip
harsh wave
.repeat it is then
once i get ..r - i incremented to "..h" and then it said you shall not pass
man why are 2 letter ".." so stubborn???
"..dr", "..er", "..fr", "..hr", "..ur" all playing tricks
but ..gr
comes up clutch
"..repeat" come on stop being so stubborn delete one of your periods plaease
noooo not both of them
".repe" + "at" = "repeat"
dry yew
i don't think it's gonna work lol
harsh wave
so how would you get ".repeat"
dry yew
i wouldn't
dry yew
honestly i'd have used chromatic strat rather than spelling it
harsh wave
might that be too long?
dry yew
but if it's strictly about "alphabet" then i'd delete the period between unquote and and
harsh wave
and how would i do that - just go back to unquote
i also have curlies
although that just ate it
dry yew
just add curly "peat"
harsh wave
dotted again
alr
ill try
but if i wanted ".repeat" - should i try getting delete one period and such
curly yum yum gobbles up "repeat"
ok got it
slightly cursed
"..unquote.and" + curly "repeat" = Curly "unquote.and"
got curly "unquote.andre"
to which curly peat wont add
come on
its happy to make "..unquote.and.rapeat"
dry yew
not the dots ๐ญ
for curly there's this trick called "prepending a number before your shit then delete it later along with the quotes"
harsh wave
well its a bit late is it not
dry yew
numbers almost always go to the front
dry yew
(for all 3 kinds of numbers)
harsh wave
do i add curly numbers
dry yew
all of them
harsh wave
so far its eating but i got curly 0- now
dry yew
you have like 30 chances but the lower numbers work better
dry yew
๐
dry yew
i am, in fact, holding my phone
arctic swallow
yes, im also holding ma phone
dry yew
in curly?
harsh wave
curly just refused to append
i gave up
well
i took a break
and got a lucky break
is more accurate
harsh wave
nah dont worry consistent strats are consistent till i use them
i turn their consistency down to 0
ok so by parts of what im trying to add - should it be like Re
or Repeat
that i try to add
dry yew
all of them
harsh wave
wait
i should un dot it first
6 chances really isnt enough i need to stack up
maybe ill try making some removes
dry yew
try hyphen-ing it too
harsh wave
just adding Hyphen?
dry yew
and Hyphenate
harsh wave
well it appended hyphen in the quotes fine
uh ok i need to grab that rq
got hyphenator and hyphenation
recipe?
dry yew
hyphen + pluralize
harsh wave
interesting
ah dang it got eaten
maybe i have to hash
i got curly u"..unquote.and.repeat"
alright ill try getting hashtagify - not by any chance hashtag + pluralize?
dry yew
i don't even have hashtagify ๐ญ
dry yew
yea so
harsh wave
see like
how so simple
what am i doing wrong
like as i said i have to see the failed attempts - how did you just know to try that
oh
.and
hmm
like you gotta teach me
dry yew
it's just .an .d
dry yew
i just felt like using .alphabet today, normally it's really hard but it just kinda worked ๐ญ
dry yew
i only didn't try my usual stuff since i knew they won't work
dry yew
nah i lack a lot of stuff
harsh wave
and like why start from there
in the middle
nice the curlies actually appended for u
dry yew
i had .and so i tried to combine it with "unquote"
but that didn't work
so i tried to put it in quotation marks
but that removed the .
so i tried to put it in curly and it worked
harsh wave
okay well go get "..unquote.and.repeat" or "..unquote.and"
and show me how you do it in 3 minutes
harsh wave
ive been trying to hashtag it for that long
is it that you were able to more easily throw away the progress and try some other approach that never works
dry yew
yea
usually when making stuff i don't really get to see the future
but this time i did
harsh wave
i mean i dont know - i bet if you got what i have
youd have it in no time
try it
also
bruh
dry yew
i don't have "..alphabet" ๐ญ
dry yew
let me make that
harsh wave
oh and
it was just
"unquote." + ".."
iirc
for "..unquote."
also the thing is - one hashtag attemopt
added an extra dot to the start
dry yew
dry yew
yea
dry yew
so how did you get "unquote."
dry yew
i don't have add period ๐ญ
dry yew
just add on .and
nah that doesn't work
harsh wave
but basically 1. "..unquote.and.re.peat"
the add period recipe is so cursed
um
let me find another way
does .a or .an not work
dry yew
how did you get "..unquote."
harsh wave
just add ".."
dry yew
nvm "..unquote" + add period
harsh wave
but howd you get "unquote." there
dry yew
add period
harsh wave
hmm
the ercipe for that took me nearly a day
anyway
these 4 here
show me how you unquote them all in a minute flat
dry yew
okay got to where you are
harsh wave
already?
idk if i told you how i got around the re.peat
but i have ".unquote.and.repeat" now
dry yew
i added English
dry yew
like i said stuff like English Sentence works but rarely
but rarely is still worth trying so i did
dry yew
i just try them all
harsh wave
thats just not feasible - theres hundreds at any given point that could work
but anyway'
which one did you unquote
of the 4
dry yew
#unquote.and.re.peat
i'll try to revive that now
bruh
i added Unquote, part of the phrase
harsh wave
and so did i
possibly not to that one
because that was for unquoting
not untagging
dry yew
๐ฅ
dry yew
do you have prepend hashtag
harsh wave
no
dry yew
nice now just unhashtag it like normal
harsh wave
.... again i have limited to no success with that but i did just get Unquote.and.Repeat
dry yew
that should be dead
harsh wave
my bad no capital r
harsh wave
it might be dead?? everything is a Nothing so far
yeah i need more add spacing variants
but i did not understand the lineage
with spacing go eaten
Spacing.and.repeat
hhhh
furstrating
im told unquoting and unhashing is the easy part
well im an hour in
i have it unquoted and unhashed
but it still is stubborn
dry yew
once the llama think it's a domain name you're over
harsh wave
ok so do i go back to "unquote.and.repeat
harsh wave
k
by more stuff
what do you mean
i dont have half the stuff you do in that regard
hmm
i got it
the dead version though
dry yew
and how would you do that
i don't know lmao
just hit it with random bullshit until it works
that's what reviving is
harsh wave
hmm well idk its funny on your own stuff just works but when you tell me what youd do somehow its always a case where it doesnt work - that or i dont have enough alt alphabets or deletes
dry yew
believe me i do really just try all the stuff i have
harsh wave
as evidenced i have barely half the stuff you do - how do you organise it is every single one pinned
i tries thst strat my pins are a few hundred
"20times.unquote.and.repeat"
lovely
harsh wave
so how do you manage to find everything buried like that
"20times...unquote.and.repeat"
harsh wave
why is the curly appending to the front
harsh wave
i think it knows - every time it would give what i want it just gives Nothing instead
i think im on a 20 Nothiong streak rn
dry yew
Nothing streak sounds like a fun thing to add to my script
harsh wave
and once again the curly defies alphbet rules
and prepends
thats 5/5 prepends when it shouldnt so far
and again
maybe i need .20
or .20times
dry yew
i don't think i've ever touched .numbers
harsh wave
man
it really tried
it unquoted and repeated 20 times
well it would have
i feel like you would just come in and go ah yes ill make "20.unquote.and.times.repeat" and then revorse it and it works lul
dry yew
if only the aiw as that smart
harsh wave
"0times.unquote.and.repeat"
first try its more than happy to unquote
now i need to search for curlies
eww
dry yew
so true
harsh wave
i mean you got it to add
currently if i have dots out the front it is giving me Nothing most of the time
if i dont
it is more than happy to prepend "20times"
so far im just trying prepend hypen and with spacing on my varaints
but you got way more weird mr. like wtf what did you do
to get those
and those arent the only things you would search for something else too
dry yew
i'm actually struggling to make this too
dry yew
chromatic strat also doesn't work
dry yew
nice
harsh wave
what was that recipe
dry yew
at this point i'm just throwing random stuff at it
harsh wave
yeah that i dont have
dry yew
i don't think you'd need "the <" or _c.replace(/ /, '');
harsh wave
well yeah but you know i dont have oddities like that lul
robust moon
i think it knows - every time it would give what i want it just gives Nothing in...
Have you disabled your cache?
dry yew
i should get a chair
robust moon
Itโs just stubborn thatโs all
You could be getting cache-locked, is why I'm asking. Idk if you know about it
harsh wave
both nata and I couldnโt get it so far - is there a way to clear cache but just only for that site
dry yew
harsh wave
I see
maybe tomorrow I try it but I doubt itโs it
I think it is just unusually stubborn and reaching the length edge
But then again you rolled have gotten over 30 shat elements very quickly so idk
but I had a lot of nearby ones maybe I need to learn to be more flexible and go back farther maybe somehow I donโt need say โ.repeatโ for example and can fashion something else
but I always have suck at that type of thing even with help so hard to know just gotta find my way
dry yew
making alive elements with particles is hard on its own
fossil relic
Goddammit
dry yew
what convinced it to do this
dry yew
do we have .20
fossil relic
Bout to invent the worst alphabet
robust moon
both nata and I couldnโt get it so far - is there a way to clear cache but just ...
I use this bookmarklet every time I open the game page to do it.
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brisk egret
Longe boy team
wow, it works
fossil relic
Yeah
robust moon
This is what my String.repeat experiments have given me so far.
brisk egret
This is what my String.repeat experiments have given me so far.
yeah, i also got random phrases like Repeat after me
harsh wave
every variant i have (not a single one i could properly unquote)
need to make a to get: list
obviously the exact random stuff nata has i dont need but idk where to get things of that vein - like what Mr. !-(
gonna need prepend opening parenthesis there and ! or maybe "!:" lul
harsh wave
probably since theres so many strats what happens is i get locked in on one and too invested - and plus the way i do it the lineages will be way longer - ive seen some others and they add numerous letters and even words at once - when i try that it never works it just gets eaten so clearly theres an art i need to learn
mine are like
1 letter at a time
grind
dry yew
just use chromatic strat
harsh wave
sure - i will add it to the list
dry yew
so uh apparently this is another way to repeat stuff
dry yew
harsh wave
i guess i also have to learn messes of symbols like that too
dry yew
i just threw random shit together
harsh wave
when i do that i dont get anything like that - prbably because i dont have "[" or ".java.join" or whatever
viscid cipher
wheres the llama playground token counter
viscid cipher
thans
hardy tree
how to get those 2 random shit ๐
dry yew
when i get home
hardy tree
ok
hardy tree
โโโโโโโโโโโโโโโ
dat is 1 token (exclude <s>)
dry yew
theorically we can already get
"________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________```which is 305 characters
but we'd need to have repeated underscores
dry yew
#1226724619290148917 message
harsh wave
looks like array.prototype (normal and in quotes) is important
does adding stuff like ".codeelement" work to that?
hardy tree
https://discord.com/channels/1203527044957208596/1226724619290148917/12267251483...
wat about string.prototype.repeat
fossil relic
dry yew
it's made the same way as the others
harsh wave
not inside quotes? the ones in the recipes there were idk im tired maybe i forgor
fossil relic
Nata and I took rather divergent paths to this
harsh wave
how so
i mean ive seen some short prototype and string.prototype after optimisation but before that
like before that happened what was the main ideas to get ehre
fossil relic
Mine was to just jump in straight with .prototype once I got it, Nata built most of the individual parts from the ground up
dry yew
"string.prototype.trimstart" + ใใ = "string.prototype.trimend" is the funniest shit ever
fossil relic
Well eat this nonsense
dry yew
specifically only with curly quotes
harsh wave
and so whats the difference between those methods
they sound very similar - like you have to build .prototype up anyway
fossil relic
They're similar up until .prototype
I suppose my path is the closest you can get to "semantic" at this stage
fossil relic
Oh
dry yew
which kind of "method" are we talking about
harsh wave
semantic methods for such long and complicated seems far too unreliable - its hard to get just a normal word
but maybe if you have .prototype already
dry yew
my method should cause less dead elements
harsh wave
then it kinda catches on to what you are doing a bit more
fossil relic
Seemed to work pretty well
Got it in 6 minutes from request
harsh wave
and are you able to explain how you knew exactly what to do - like as i said if i want a normal word i either have to look it up or build it up
and as well what existing infrastructure did you have
fossil relic
I mean I suppose I also just got lucky that a lot of the first things I tried worked out
harsh wave
cause so far it seems like if i ask what one would try they say something and i try it it doesnt work and then they go and try it themself, doing something which is not what they said - and it works first time
consistently too
like if you want me to get a word that way
it will be hours
let alone a non word like that with a period in it
like its not really luck if its consistent - there is clearly something you guys know subconsciously that i dont
dry yew
believe me making these prototypes are way easier than words
because the ai was already trained on them
so "string.prototype" + whatever usually "just works"
harsh wave
i mean cant relate but mainly about the other method
fossil relic
In general, at a point it starts getting instinctual - get the words you want then the pattern you want them in
My specialty for a while was semantic sentence / phrase construction (and still somewhat is). If you wanted to boil the method down to base parts that's it really
harsh wave
well i can understand but it feel like when i ask for what someone would do what i am told is not at all what they would actually do
like can you share what you tried and why
because from what i can tell what im trying really is no different but somehow what i try doesnt work
fossil relic
For String.repeat specifically?
harsh wave
sure
but ni general just anything
like maybe it doesnt work because out of the 50 variants of a string with differing dots and hyphens and quotes
i tried 40 of them
dry yew
i can make a script that logs my activities if you want them for research purposes
harsh wave
but you guys try 1 and it works instantly
and i try 40 and give up
theyre all the same to me like idk how am i meant to nkow to try the variant with 3 dots adn 2 hyphens
at least thats what it feels like
dry yew
i really don't suggest using the 2 dots alphabet
harsh wave
i mean
how else am i meant to do it
it seems the only cnosistent way so far to add to stuff
in terms of letters
without getting alphabetical order trolled
fossil relic
To answer the other question
I knew I wanted the words String and Repeat in the same element, so that was the first thing to do
Throw every String containing element I have with repeat until one works - got lucky that the fifth one on .prototype gave it
Then get the format - I had .string already, so next order of business is to get it alphabetically before .re so I could append - that's where .prototype.string comes in
Then escape the dots using the word itself (common pattern) which then gave me a format I could work with
harsh wave
im told its common
but for me it never works
like i will try the 50/51 variants that dont work
robust tartan
thats normally how it goes
dry yew
you should try curly + mr. meta lol
robust tartan
you try everything and its the last thing that works
fossil relic
Well of course it's the last thing
You stop trying afterwards
harsh wave
sure
just for you guys it also seems to be near to the first thing too
quite consistently
robust tartan
it almost never is
fossil relic
Every tree disguises the 20 other misses
robust tartan
i normally run through an entire laundry list of elements before getting anywhere on some things
harsh wave
20 is better than 2000
like theres enough stuff you have thats similar enough that in theory theres a few thousand recipes you could try
robust tartan
yeah but some of the things that are similar just dont work at all or almost never work
harsh wave
until i try anyway - then you guys know to immediately try the thing that never works but for some reason it works here
idk thats how it feels
last 5 or 6 times thats how its been
ive been trying for hours then one of you guys instantly within not 5 minutes will get it with like the 3rd thing you try
maybe one day it would be worth to vc or something
i mean i am improving
but its so painfully slow
fossil relic
It's been nearly a month since altphabets were introduced
You pick up on patterns, perhaps subconsciously, by doing
I can't really describe why what I do works without explaining how I think, and I only think when I do, and when I do I can't explain
harsh wave
seems to be the case
and right now im doing what is considered normally good and the patterns are its not working
and other patterns is that when you start getting close it just eats your elements or gives Nothing
like "..abcd" + ".ef" will just say nope and give Nothing or just return "..abcd"
robust tartan
that happens a lot and that would be when you start trying other things or even going back a step or two and trying to build the word in a different way
harsh wave
im not great that that because in general i know that the way im trying is about the only way that seems to work
like i havent a clue why nata used .3letter combos the other day
you have like a 0.001% chance
of getting a single bit of progress with that
i dont think ive once ever seen with my own eyes using .stuff add in a way that you want
and at a certain level there doesnt seem to be much pattern
its just that you guys knew to try the one with 3 periods and 4 hyphens
for some unknown reason
and i will ask why and you will say i dont know
so i dont know how im meant to pick up on such patterns
fossil relic
I think there's a conflation of intent and scale here
It's not that anyone "knew" to try that, it's just that someone did - survivorship bias means the first and thus fastest person to do it gets to show off
Get enough people all with their own strategies and this is what happens
Everyone's got their specialty, or their order of operations - no single path has proven to be "the best" so there's variants on variants
harsh wave
well yeah - i just dont seem to be able to pick up on that
but its not necessarily like many people are trying
usually only 1
fossil relic
Only 1 you see
robust tartan
i was just about to say that exact same thing
arctic swallow
i tried making unplural with no luck so there u go i asked killerbowser to make it
harsh wave
i mean yeah sure
but still so far it seems like what i try doesnt ever work
i dont think ive once ever built something on my own
robust tartan
thats how it was for me at the start as well
harsh wave
i mean i dont know every back up
arctic swallow
same, it took me 50-100 element to finally get how to make correct element
robust tartan
i remember the first thing i tried to make with the alt alphabets was Mauga. 5 letters and i spent an hour and i could not get it
was it a skill issue? maybe, but i definitely got better over time
harsh wave
i mean thats still me rn but hey why dont we try - pick something random and silly but not too long and ill try get it
and explain what im doing
and why
can move some other thread if u want
im aware this is longest thread lul
arctic swallow
i mean thats still me rn but hey why dont we try - pick something random and sil...
ah yes me finding out U+0000's + paper = U+0000
this sound silly but that works
robust tartan
wtf is that recipe
harsh wave
also this is normal for me i get a bit jelly when i dont improve - but in the end (at least in most cases) if i dont give up a fairly significant improvement comes eventually - although there is some cases where that simply never eventuated
but i doubt this is one of them
so if youd like im happy to try that - if not thats fine ive got plenty of other things to do including actually getting more tools so that i can stop whining and start trying more stuff
dry yew
i don't think you should focus on the tools that much
i just occasionally pick mine up from other people
harsh wave
i think im too slow on that front - i fall behind further every day
also wat - โ! < /sโ + โ>ใ = โ! < /s>โ how do you just have that second ingredient on hand and know to try it
robust tartan
japanese quotes put things at the end so by putting japanese quotes on > it would put it last in the quote
that is the idea behind that
robust tartan
thats what ใใ is
similar to what i did in this one #1215495041049436170 message
harsh wave
hmm from what ive seen that just wraps stuff in them
i dont even know how you get > or just one quote on its own like that do you guys usually have to look these things up
robust tartan
i normally have to look up recipes for multiple utilities per day
dry yew
also wat - โ! < /sโ + โ>ใ = โ! < /s>โ how do you just have that second ingredien...
like i said, i try random bullshit and it works
i actually wanted to make ใ>ใ but it gave me that so i tried it anyway
harsh wave
so you had to look up the > recipe then?
anyway well still even then theres theoretically hundreds of things
or more
robust tartan
you dont have the straight quoted one ?