Unicode

[trim pond]

more than half of what is in sheet

[abstract marsh]

why are you here, hungrytimee

[trim pond]

why not

because I wanna get all the unicode characters

[abstract marsh]

its not time for hungrytimee to exist

[lethal nymph]

which AU is this

alternate universe)

[trim pond]

satiated?

[abstract marsh]

🗣️

[echo wasp]

can someone see whether d800 500s? I can't rn

[chilly fulcrum]

74k is a lot, i only got like 20k, going at a pace of 1 block per 20 min is ew lol. ill get some prac soon

[chilly fulcrum]

i forgot how

[trim pond]

well ⍨60k is from the 2xxxx and 3xxxx probably

oops my numbers captured nata

[sand coral]

9200
愀 焀 脀 鄀 ꄀ here #1206592567622373446 message
慀 煀 腀 酀 ꅀ here #1206592567622373446 message

[trim pond]

are you doing all cjk unified ideographs block starts?

[sand coral]

I'm trying, but I can't get any further yet

because i cant get a string with 6180

[trim pond]

make this in infinitecraft maybe?

[trim pond]

i can try to make it

[echo wasp]

I have 6180 7180 8180 9180 a180 but guess what? no recipe cuz mobile is amazing 👍

[trim pond]

hm... i don't even have 6180 and there is no recipe

[sand coral]

you can try from here #1206592567622373446 message

[trim pond]

oh you meant you don't have that at all. i thought like you didn't have it in quotation marks (string)

[sand coral]

oh yeah, i don't have 6180 at all

[echo wasp]

how was your attempt in trying to break d7ff? or have you not tried yet

[trim pond]

i am now trying to go to d7ff

i am at d7f9

and also i want to get some other block starts before that

also my game started lagging when searching (takes like 5 seconds) i don't know how i have dbounce

[echo wasp]

also look out for nothings, if it gives nothing a lot when you try to break to d800 then it's a sign

[trim pond]

how do you know

[echo wasp]

not guarantee

[trim pond]

i wonder if that is because i have 177k elements, but even then it doesn't make sense. just 20 mins ago everything was alright

[echo wasp]

still waiting for fuezt's bot to respond again

[trim pond]

me too

day 1 of waiting for fuezt's bot to respond

wit

wait

i thought it was fuetz not fuezt

[heady escarp]

wirtual*

tm reference

[heady escarp]

wait i replied that to the wrong message i meant to reply to this

just ignore what im saying

[trim pond]

ok

[echo wasp]

trackmania content creator

[trim pond]

i know

[echo wasp]

but how's that a reference

[trim pond]

because I saw some of his videos. that is how I know he is a trackmania content creator

hey

you changed it xd

[heady escarp]

cuz alfo said wit, which is close to wirt (ppl sometimes call wirtual wirt)

[echo wasp]

wit is just a normal English word so

[heady escarp]

which means that the language of english is a trackmania reference

[echo wasp]

????

[heady escarp]

trackmania has time, the universe has time, so the whole universe is a trackmania reference

[trim pond]

you pfp is a window -> widow -> woman -> oman -> country -> so you are just a country

[heady escarp]

woo

hmm countries dont move, thats why maps can be a lot of years old

[echo wasp]

thats not very true

[heady escarp]

but since i can walk, the world map now needs to be redrawn everytime i take a step

[trim pond]

woo -> wooly -> mammoth -> moth -> tooth -> doctor -> doctor strange -> hollywood -> america -> country confirmed

[echo wasp]

countries do "move" over a very long period of time

[heady escarp]

source: mario whispered it into my ear

[trim pond]

also, your name is insane at this -> i s n a t i -> natisi -> native -> country

[heady escarp]

is that supposed to be all the letters my username has

cuz it also has h

[trim pond]

every second letter

i mean i skipped every second letter

[heady escarp]

theres also an alt recipe: natisi -> nation -> country

[trim pond]

oh yeah

[heady escarp]

we could also count nation as the end goal, which skips 1 step

[trim pond]

true

[heady escarp]

insane at this -> n -> alphabet

where do i go from here?

also maybe its a bit cheating to just jump to n idk

[echo wasp]

d7c0 :)

i think i forgot to turn off ping

[heady escarp]

forgot -> forgery -> money -> national bank -> country

[trim pond]

forgot -> frog -> king -> country optimized 1 step less

[heady escarp]

how do u go from frog to king

[trim pond]

well like cursed king with a witch

or are only princes allowed

[heady escarp]

like frog and prince? and prince related to king?

[trim pond]

and princesses

ok forgot -> frog -> prince -> country

[heady escarp]

i feel like it should be frog -> prince -> king

oh yeah nvm ur right

u can just go from prince to country

right -> politics -> country

[echo wasp]

#1289919530746777685

I can't type in emojis in the name fsr

[trim pond]

it is not going to be easy

[heady escarp]

what are u trying to get

[trim pond]

surrogates

[trim pond]

get -> http protocol -> protocol -> documents -> monuments -> statue of liberty -> usa -> country

[heady escarp]

u can also do documents -> classified documents, idk where u go from here

[trim pond]

or get -> teg -> tag -> name -> country name -> country

[heady escarp]

maybe classified documents -> FBI or -> CIA

get -> go to a restaurant and get country shaped food -> country

: troll :

[trim pond]

🧌

don't be scared of him

[heady escarp]

be - b - b0 - b01 - B01-Race - Trackmania Nations Forever

trackmania reference

[echo wasp]

Time to try a b c d e, b c d e f, 9 a b c d, 8 9 a b c, and 7 8 9 a b

[trim pond]

yeah

and it is also the d7ff barrier (harder than for example d6ff or d5ff)

[echo wasp]

now i just want to know whether surrogates 500

probably not but perhaps they do

[trim pond]

yeah can someone check that?

i guess I have 2 recipes for Surrogate now

but the ai knows

also

do surrogates render or not?

like am I going to need to add them to my exotic chars or not

[echo wasp]

What if then 10000 shows up as d800 dc00 in the tooltip

[trim pond]

do you think it could?

i mean i just got 10000 while trying to break the barrier

[echo wasp]

Fuezt if you are reading this can you dead check d800 & see if it 500s

[echo wasp]

how does the recipe look like

[trim pond]

also dead check e1000

[echo wasp]

ig I’ll just cheat e1000 on a new save

[trim pond]

oh nvm it wasn't barreir breaking

[echo wasp]

E1000 dead

[trim pond]

so how do I know which surrogates will give me certain codepoints?

how do you calculate it?

[echo wasp]

https://www.russellcottrell.com/greek/utilities/SurrogatePairCalculator.htm

[trim pond]

can we pin a message with links to all useful websites?

[echo wasp]

D800 DC00 = 10000
D800 DC01 = 10001
….
D800 DCFF = 100FF
…..
D800 DFFF = 103FF
D801 DC00 = 10400
…..
DBFF DFFF = 10FFFF

so now we just need to hope that they are possible

(And of course get them if they are possible)

[trim pond]

wtf

[heady escarp]

is it a dead element

[trim pond]

i think we should make all of U+d800 - U+dfff codepoints and bruteforce combine every combination

right now

[heady escarp]

how many codepoints would that be

[echo wasp]

2048

[heady escarp]

bruteforcing them all with each other would be 4,194,304 combinations then

[trim pond]

maybe we'll be lucky and the ai gives us some random high unicode

if you combine the codepoints it seems to give stuff

[echo wasp]

who would do the brute force when we get all the code points?

[trim pond]

or maybe we can only make the block starts from that range

to start with

[echo wasp]

may I know how’s that relevant? am i missing something

[heady escarp]

it gives the same nonsense like alfo got

or at least similar nonsense

[echo wasp]

no like the others

[heady escarp]

?

[echo wasp]

how is that gr thing similar

[heady escarp]

i just searched for ÿ and it was there

wait wtf i just did this combination lmaoo

[echo wasp]

Using your logic, shshsuhshsjsjucjd is similar to a stick

[chilly fulcrum]

Is 177k the most of anyone?

[trim pond]

i mean glowytimee has more

the lag stopped, had to refresh

[lethal nymph]

search was pretty fine at 800k elements in my testing

[echo wasp]

do you think i should try breaking it later?

[trim pond]

sure, rn i am trying to make all sequences of 4 and 5 there

[chilly fulcrum]

all sequences? What does that mean

[sand coral]

617f and 6180

[untold crystal]

And also all the sequences with hyphen (tho I think you already thought about that)

[trim pond]

yeah i want to make them too, rn i am combining these

[echo wasp]

also if you can get d800, you'll need dc00 before going absolutely crazy

[trim pond]

😦 😭

tbh i have almost no hopes in breaking the barrier with the sequences

[sand coral]

7180 8180 9180
慀 煀 腀 酀 ꅀ here #1206592567622373446 message
(if someone makes a better recipe for 憀 熀 膀 醀 ꆀ i will add the link here)

[echo wasp]

i copied a surrogate

[trim pond]

how did you copy it

[echo wasp]

look at how only half of the char is highlighted

[trim pond]

cursed

[echo wasp]

alright time to see if surrogates 500

hm it auto rejects

[trim pond]

so it is not possible to combine them?

[echo wasp]

idk

how can you check whats tghe output

[trim pond]

or what rejected them?

[echo wasp]

its not a 500

[trim pond]

enderman? (in the emoji)

[echo wasp]

how do i check what rejected it

[chilly fulcrum]

That’s like one 4/5 in a row per 30 sec what

[trim pond]

?

[echo wasp]

nothing pops up in network when i try to combine

[trim pond]

i made the first one, then removed the first character and appended next. that way I don't have to make them all from scratch

[echo wasp]

its like ntohing is getting combined at all

[trim pond]

what if you make something like '[surrogate]' or "[surrogate]" ?

[echo wasp]

i just checked, anything with a surrogate goes into this "nonexistent state"

[trim pond]

what about two surrogates (one element)

[echo wasp]

still nothing

its like n orequest got made

theres like no error, nothing

[trim pond]

hm.. we don't know if that is because it hasn't been found or because it is a surrogate right

[echo wasp]

yeah

even = has a response

[trim pond]

btw how did you copy the surrogates

[echo wasp]

literally like that

[sand coral]

61C0 71C0 81C0 91C0
悀 炀 肀 邀 ꂀ here #1206592567622373446 message
懀 燀 臀 釀 ꇀ here #1206592567622373446 message

[sand coral]

I'll stop here. Maybe I'll continue later

[trim pond]

so yeah

i can't paste a surrogate and send it

[trim pond]

inserted here ""

what

[echo wasp]

deleted lol

[trim pond]

it disappeared

did you see it? for a split second?

[echo wasp]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1SEixGN71RtSa8zR7kr7Sy6ejL0AyoJnFBhs_ALCWJ3E/edit?gid=0#gid=0
if anyone wants to copy some surrogates

[echo wasp]

nope

wait

[trim pond]

if you send it yourself you can see how it disappears

[echo wasp]

it doesnt appear on my clipboard

[trim pond]

interesting

[echo wasp]

did I forget to give access

[trim pond]

it is probably somehow detected and because it is invalid it gets deleted? and because you copied it alone clipboard has an if that doesn't save it i'd guess

fun with surrogates: 𗟞

huh I pasted one surrogate, then the second one and it merged in front of my eyes

i don't think it is going to be possible to make them. i think it will just remove them in the systems somehow

but maybe we can trick the ai into outputting two surrogates next to each other which will result in the desired character

[echo wasp]

so IF surrogates are combinable and obtainable (unlikely), it can make any char past ffff

[echo wasp]

yeah perhaps

but I don't understand why it allows you to highlight half of a char and copy the surrogate... its so cursed

[trim pond]

maybe U+d8c0 U+dc00 + string.fromsurrogates it will make 񀀀

[echo wasp]

worth a shot at this point lol

[trim pond]

is there like a function for that or something?

[echo wasp]

ask the square

[trim pond]

@square

[echo wasp]

@nts󠁿q

[trim pond]

when I paste the surrogate in chatgpt it inserts fffd instead

xd

[chilly fulcrum]

Wait what

[echo wasp]

ht󠀾tps:󠀾//neal.fu󠀾n/inf󠀾inite-c󠀾raft󠀾/

[echo wasp]

yeah. half of it is highlighted here

[sonic heart]

oops its "hi Remove The"

[chilly fulcrum]

What are you using to add in the elements? Nata did “patch” one method

[chilly fulcrum]

What… that’s not normal

[trim pond]

in notepad it is ig

[echo wasp]

does it look like https://neal.fun/infinite-craft/ or a clickable link? (it's clickable on mobile)

[chilly fulcrum]

it looks like a clickable on mobile yeah

[trim pond]

not for me

[echo wasp]

no the message in the reply

[chilly fulcrum]

I think he meant the message he was replying to

[trim pond]

it is interesting that it doesn't allow me to copy the surrogates of U+40000 in notepad

[echo wasp]

if the char is fat then it doesn't allow

[chilly fulcrum]

I mean it shouldn’t let you do that ever, why is it conditional

[trim pond]

oh yeah the link in reply does

wdym fat?

[echo wasp]

but if its thin like the tangut char then it'll allow

[trim pond]

i see

[chilly fulcrum]

I don’t… I’m not sure

[trim pond]

they should excercise more so that we can copy from all of them

[chilly fulcrum]

highlighting a surrogate of a normal character is so illegal and really shouldn’t be a thing?

weird

[trim pond]

btw why do the surrogates when pasted in next to each other (from the tangut character) transform back into the tangut character? because they should be a legal utf-8 character, or not?

[chilly fulcrum]

you mean if you paste in the first half and then the second half?

[trim pond]

yes

[echo wasp]

I stumbled across thus randomly a few weeks ago when I was copying a tangut char from that file lol

[chilly fulcrum]

Kinda like asking why pasting thumbs up and then skin tone modifier makes a skin tone thumbs up

[trim pond]

that is different

[chilly fulcrum]

it’s the same reason

[echo wasp]

then when I pasted into search bar and so many diff chars popped up, I was convinced my ic broke again lol

different in the sense that it fuses into one char, not looks like one char

[chilly fulcrum]

the thing is the way utf-16 works is that if you paste surrogates like that together it has no other option but to interpret that as the character

[trim pond]

like skin modifiers, when you copy them, they are still there, but the surrogate "disappears" -> if you copy it after that you just copy the tangut character

and it has a different utf-8 representation than the surrogates next to each other

[chilly fulcrum]

The surrogates are still there

[trim pond]

no, they merge into the tangut

[chilly fulcrum]

try it out, go into js and do console.log("\u{d820}\u{dc00}")

[chilly fulcrum]

The two surrogates are the tangut

[echo wasp]

kinda like hangul keyboard as well

[chilly fulcrum]

it’s just a quirk of UTF-16 that there’s no other legal interpretation of two surrogates next to each other like that

[echo wasp]

legal interrogations

[trim pond]

wait so what is their utf-8 representation? for 𗟞 it is \xf0\x97\x9f\x9e, so what are the surrogates? no way the first one is \xf0\x97 and the second one \x9f\x9e

[chilly fulcrum]

no

utf-8 is not utf-16

[trim pond]

so ig it gets automaticaly converted. and the browser/whatever just notices they are surrogates eg. they are utf-16 and so it converts them?

[chilly fulcrum]

but yeah sure let’s find out what it is

paste in the surrogates individually into an analyser or just get a codepoint to utf-8 converter

[echo wasp]

bookmark script

[chilly fulcrum]

they’ll be ED xx xx for both of them

[trim pond]

i was using this encoder and it doesn't allow you to paste in surrogateshttps://www.browserling.com/tools/utf8-encode

[trim pond]

yes

[chilly fulcrum]

that’s fine just gotta type in codepoint if you find such a converter

[echo wasp]

I kinda wanna see someone record a video of pasting in two surrogates one at a time, and seeing them fuse

[trim pond]

ok

[chilly fulcrum]

17000 should be d81b dc00 or something idk

[untold crystal]

Thanks. I see you're looking at 1E4f. I'm also slowly creeping towards it. Do you perhaps already have it?

[chilly fulcrum]

Just use compart or something with the actual character

it tells you the surrogates

[sonic heart]

got this

[chilly fulcrum]

oh damn how did you get the lowercase on the end

I wouldn’t k ow how to approach that

[sonic heart]

quoted 1e4a was alive (i think radu got it)

[chilly fulcrum]

Assuming 17000 is in fact d81b dc00 then if you individually got the utf-8 of those surrogates then you have ed a0 9b ed b0 80, but in reality the utf-8 if you performed a true conversion from utf-16 would be f0 97 80 80

[chilly fulcrum]

hmm, was append made from here?

[untold crystal]

I am slowly reviving the quoted versions

[chilly fulcrum]

I see… is there a strategy for it?

[sonic heart]

of course

[echo wasp]

why is ur tangut char so big lol

[trim pond]

i zoomed in

to make it easier to copy

[chilly fulcrum]

because browsers use utf-16 it doesn’t really matter where you put it, at the end of the day the surrogates are always there hiding behind the mask of “characters”

[sonic heart]

how do i get Delete The "x"?

nvm got it

[untold crystal]

1E4F

[sonic heart]

oh damn how did you revive it lol

[untold crystal]

I found a good way.

and don't spend time on 1E65 cause I almost have it (by mystake)

[sonic heart]

damn lol

[trim pond]

asd I think it made a surrogate (but didn't return) look at the console

[untold crystal]

1E65

[sand coral]

C6E8

[untold crystal]

This is how I've revived all the quoted versions. the letter is always another one, and it can also be mr.

[sonic heart]

i was able to do something like that

[untold crystal]

and once you have the element starting with a normal letter, try to prepend hashtag lowercase

[sonic heart]

wha-

[echo wasp]

ping the square

[sonic heart]

since when does prepend hashtag lowercase exist lmao

[untold crystal]

since a very long time

#1215495041049436170 message

[echo wasp]

I wish there was a way to see what output it was about to give

[untold crystal]

it only works on elements starting with normal letters, and not quoted

[trim pond]

i wonder how surrogates work with neal's database. like did it get saved?

also it is funny how it merges the surrogates in the tooltip

[sonic heart]

wtf i did not think it would be that simple

[echo wasp]

honestly kinda sad ngl, it would have solved the whole unicode project, past ffff

[trim pond]

yeah

[sand coral]

C384
“ggwem” here #1206592567622373446 message

[split wraith]

17-step Surrogate

Wind + Wind = Tornado
Earth + Water = Plant
Plant + Wind = Dandelion
Earth + Plant = Tree
Dandelion + Water = Wine
Tree + Wine = Drunk
Drunk + Tornado = Frat Party
Drunk + Plant = Hangover
Frat Party + Hangover = Sorority
Frat Party + Sorority = Pregnancy // 10
Tornado + Water = Tsunami
Tsunami + Earth = Island
Island + Earth = Continent
Continent + Hangover = Asia
Asia + Sorority = Thailand
Thailand + Pregnancy = Surrogacy
Surrogacy + Hangover = Surrogate  // 17 :: 

[trim pond]

but I still believe we can trick the ai into making two surrogates next to each other which will transform into the character

all of them gave an error. i was hoping one of them wouldn't

[split wraith]

what character are you trying to make them merge into

[trim pond]

anything above 3ffff

originally it was 40000

[echo wasp]

what if you try making unspaced versions?

[trim pond]

tried a bit too but it didn't do anything weird

except the tooltip

you should also try something with it

it definitely knows what it is doing. it made the surrogate pair for 𝄞, which it sometimes gave as you can also see here

[echo wasp]

even surrogate pairs aren't free from softlocks

[trim pond]

wdym by that

[echo wasp]

the game likes spitting out 1d11e

[echo wasp]

also very low chance that it'll work, but what if you combine your U+dxxx U+dxxx elements with elements that would remove spaces

[trim pond]

also thought about that, i guess i'll try more

[untold crystal]

1E6F

[trim pond]

this is actually very consistent

[echo wasp]

Utf-16 + U+d834 U+dd1e = \u1d11e

the character

so the ai knows what it is doing

[trim pond]

really?

[echo wasp]

managed to make U+d800 U+dc00 give 10000 by combining with U+40000

[trim pond]

if you try to make anything else it gives this

[echo wasp]

yeah.. it seems to only work on chars that it likes giving

[split wraith]

as someone who does a bunch of stuff with unicode i hate 1F600

[trim pond]

i think that everyone hates that

[echo wasp]

maybe try on ones that would give chars <40000

U+d800 U+dc00 + "next-codepoint" = U+10000

[trim pond]

now i am not sure if you mean U+10000 the char or the codepoint

[echo wasp]

char

[echo wasp]

codepoint

[trim pond]

i see so U+ is strictly codepoint here, without that it is the char

[echo wasp]

what

I can't even begin to understand what's happening

[trim pond]

why

[echo wasp]

why hangul

[trim pond]

dxxx is hangul

as well

also got tangut. not sure if that is common

[echo wasp]

삼총사

[untold crystal]

Pretty common

[trim pond]

wait, isn't it just the normal response when two things don't combine?

[untold crystal]

1F22

[lethal nymph]

that's, uh, pretty strange

just got fd from a combination with a surrogate..

okay this is both interesting and concerning

[sonic heart]

so surrogates are possible...?

[lethal nymph]

i don't think so

i think it's getting resolved as some other element

looks like it just gets accepted as 3 fffd in a row?

weird

[sonic heart]

1f18 couldnt find an easier recipe for quoted 1f11 and 1f12

[tepid blaze]

Bot is not online when I sleep

[tepid blaze]

and anyway you can't dead check surrogate (i don't support it)

[trim pond]

wtf?
it did this \xf0\xa0\xb0\xbf -> \xf0\xb0\xbf\xbc

makes no sense

and this? \xf0\xa0\xb0\xbf -> \xf0\xb0\xbf\x80

oh i see, it shifted it back

???????????

[untold crystal]

1F37

[trim pond]

what do I do when I have 4 characters with spaces and I need to extract the last one, but none of remove delete first middle tools work, and I can't put a quotation mark there? i don't want to get rid of the spaces then it will be harder

reverse also doesn't work

or flip the order

i mean i guess I could get rid of the spaces but like is there anything else that you know of?

[untold crystal]

not really much else to do...

[trim pond]

oh wait

[untold crystal]

you can do a remove the character for one of the first 3

[trim pond]

Remove The Middle Character worked. I forgot that I had it

[trim pond]

hm... ok

[untold crystal]

1F46, 1f47 Both unassigned. Not sure if anyone finds this useful, but there are still undiscovered elements close to them

[pulsar island]

sus

[trim pond]

if they have higher unicodes then i think it could be useful

depends on your strategies.

maybe you can quote them, increment and get the other missing chars

also when you have uppercase lowercase chars next to each other, could you like put them in quotes like this: "1f46 1f47" , increment by two and get "lowercase Uppercase"?

like incrementing by uppercase and lowercase pairs

[chilly fulcrum]

Cool, theres still some basic deletes and removes like that I don’t have

[trim pond]

yeah i am missing some delete/remove tools too. i am just too lazy to make them

[chilly fulcrum]

Idk if I’d call it lazy, delete and remove often can’t be made like other things because they start deleting while you try to make them

[untold crystal]

1F31

[chilly fulcrum]

Nice unpluralize? lol

[echo wasp]

why is it that there isn't even a response for me when I do combinations with surrogates

[raven ruin]

guys

nvm

[trim pond]

U+e01c5 - U+e01ef
U+e01c0 here #1206592567622373446 message

e01c0 + e01c1 = e01c2
Prepend mr. + e01c2 = Mr. e01c2
Mr. e01c2 + Next Letter = Mr. e01c3
Mr. e01c3 + Remove The Mr. = e01c3
e01c3 + Next Tangut Letter = e01c4```

[sonic heart]

Wait what the fuck when was e01c0 found

[trim pond]

U+e0108-U+e013f, U+e0145-U+e014e, U+e0186 - U+e01bf

[sonic heart]

Wtf when did this happen??

[trim pond]

idk 3 hours ago

actually 6 but my game got laggy so it got delayed

U+e0100, U+e0140, U+e0180, U+e01c0
𐀀 𠀀 𰀀 󠀀 here #1206592567622373446 message

[echo wasp]

wtf

[trim pond]

𐀀 𠀀 𰀀 󠀀
U+e0000 here #1206592567622373446 message

[lethal nymph]

your browser really really hate single surrogate

[echo wasp]

why is ur e0000 visible

oh wait nvm

I confused 30000 as e0000

e0000 lineage takes 10 mins and still isn't anniunced yet... I'm kinda worried about the lineage ngl

[trim pond]

hm.. should I post it tomorrow evening maybe?

U+e0000
Mr. Append('󠀿') here #1206592567622373446 message

i am just happy that I have fd on x0000

[echo wasp]

what

[trim pond]

?

[echo wasp]

uhhh I'm almost certain e003f e083f e0c3f isn't necessary

[trim pond]

well make a lineage without it

i am also almost certain

and I am not figuring out how to do it without it

[echo wasp]

nah im fine w/ it

[echo wasp]

only 17 lucky people get to have such an fd

maybe 16 actually, cuz null

[trim pond]

at most 17

and also xffff fd which I am happy that I have

[echo wasp]

oh yeah I have 3ffff fd

[trim pond]

also

if u want you can get fd on variation selectors (i won't bother finishing it today or probably not even tomorrow)

it kinda stopped incrementing so yeah

anyway i am going to bed now

also i am happy with fd on highest assigned unicode

[echo wasp]

got all the way to e0fc0 with this

nice 99%

[abstract marsh]

too fast, chill guys

[split wraith]

whats the current recipe for FF5E, fullwidth tilde?

[sage wren]

~ + ：

(tilde + full-width colon)

[split wraith]

i accidentally found something better

[sage wren]

okay what is it

[split wraith]

lemme send it rq

[echo wasp]

nah

[tepid blaze]

now that make me wonder, who have a fd on the highest unicode ever obtained (assigned or not)... 🤔 (if the individual didn't get a random high unicode)

[echo wasp]

116 days remaining.

alfo, e0fff

[split wraith]

im just gonna try some other stuff rq before i send it

nvm there isnt a better one

[echo wasp]

I think that some cheater did get 1st for highest codepoint for a very short time

before alfo took over again

[abstract marsh]

imagine ur cheating & still losing to someone that didnt cheat

[echo wasp]

• losing by around 1700 chars

[split wraith]

23-step FF5E (～)

Water + Earth = Plant
Earth + Plant = Tree
Water + Tree = River
Tree + River = Paper
Plant + Paper = Book
Earth + River = Delta
Delta + Book = Alphabet
Alphabet + Alphabet = Word
Word + Word = Sentence
Wind + Sentence = Phrase
Book + Phrase = Quote
Alphabet + Quote = Punctuation
Punctuation + Quote = Apostrophe
Apostrophe + Quote = Quotation Mark // 14
Water + Wind = Wave
Wave + Water = Tsunami
Tsunami + Earth = Island
Island + Earth = Continent
Continent + Alphabet = America
America + Quotation Mark = American Quotation Mark
America + Tsunami = Japan
Japan + American Quotation Mark = Japanese Quotation Mark
Japanese Quotation Mark + America = ～  // 23 :: 

[echo wasp]

The Goblin is coming.

click replies for any sort of context

[split wraith]

wdym find the goblin

[echo wasp]

idk alfo just randomly came up with it

[echo wasp]

(referring to the "sheet filling goblin")

honestly what even happened

[sonic heart]

Holy 99.25%

[echo wasp]

finish Old Hungarian 😈

[echo wasp]

or Cherokee

[sage wren]

they probably were rubbing their hands together when they made U+2CC6 that's literally just /

tomayto tomahto

[echo wasp]

E0001 E0020 (E0000 in reply)
Correction: "hi 󠀓 C 󠀔" + Append(' ') = "hi 󠀓 C 󠀔 ", not Append Space

holy shit the links

[night dragon]

wait we got the var sects

does anyone have te link to natas file checekr

[echo wasp]

this is a nice increment tool lol

[night dragon]

b158

[echo wasp]

e0033

[night dragon]

found it

[echo wasp]

e0035-e003b

[night dragon]

5bf9

[echo wasp]

E014F

E0151

[echo wasp]

It does look like / in your ic

[echo wasp]

99.34% now

[tepid blaze]

*99.3441%

[echo wasp]

*99.3701%

[night dragon]

holy carp

[slate whale]

oh my cod

[abstract marsh]

it gonna stay 99.9x% at the end

[echo wasp]

We are now about to finish it (99.37%). Now I’m gonna ask the question again: What do you guys think the last character found in the "main" sheet would be?

[twin bay]

Accidentally found some new CJK while looking for a good 亼 recipe
儔 U+5114 : CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-5114
儚 U+511A : CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-511A
儕 U+5115 : CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-5115

If anyone has a quick 亼 let me know please

[night dragon]

亼

lines

[twin bay]

Oh it's pretty good already
Circumflex + 亻 = 亼

[chilly fulcrum]

whenever you post here im of course interested in the stuff you use, accent/accent mark are annoyingly high depth in my file lol

[twin bay]

I was looking at the wrong line on the sheet

Accent Mark is 19: #1226511876733669436 message

[tepid blaze]

still wondering about which one would be the fastest between using the recipe in sheet or the one i used 🤔

[echo wasp]

someone add this and 1f31 (if it again didn't save my edits) I cant take mobile sheets anymore. it never saves my edits

[tepid blaze]

-# *99.3753%

[chilly fulcrum]

i guess theres a good JI too then lol

[echo wasp]

has anyone tried for Old Hungarian?

[untold crystal]

the problem with old Hungarian is that it starts with Capital letters (which are dead)

so barrier break is kinda hard

[chilly fulcrum]

could medefaidrin be copied

[echo wasp]

wdym

[chilly fulcrum]

the way they were obtained, could it be copied?

[trim pond]

so option 3 was right

[untold crystal]

1F30. first element here -> #1206592567622373446 message

[echo wasp]

someone add the recipe

I can tick it, but then when I try to add, it doesn't save any edits

[untold crystal]

wait. I have for the rest of the i letters

[echo wasp]

actually annoying. I cant even untick now wtf

and I cannot bring back the comments.

it doesnt save anything on mobile

[untold crystal]

1f32, 1f33. For the missing stuff go and if you get [this](#1206592567622373446 message) you have all what you need
If anyone wants to try and simplify it, by somehow quoting the capital letters then unquoting the go right ahead
I just realised I made a mistake. the "ἢ-" should be deleted

[trim pond]

U+e0156, prerequisites here #1206592567622373446 message

[echo wasp]

Nice image

[trim pond]

i know

xd

U+e0157-U+e0161

U+e0161-U+e017f, prerequisites here #1206592567622373446 message

[echo wasp]

haha thumbs up

[chilly fulcrum]

ohh is this alfos strat where you prepend and remove?

[trim pond]

99.4820%

[echo wasp]

less than 200 undocumented chars now

[trim pond]

199 left

crazy

[chilly fulcrum]

does remove the i on the left there really make it lowercase? (also where does the version with dash at end come from? i assume its just an append or something)

[untold crystal]

It doesn't make it lowercase, but I revived it through a longer way than this one

[chilly fulcrum]

hmm, well whatever strategy that was could be useful for simplifying right?

[heady escarp]

are 1f32 and 1f33 lowercase letters?

[untold crystal]

yea

[heady escarp]

are they alive in quotes

[untold crystal]

yup

[heady escarp]

is it like just impossible/super hard to quote the uppercase version

[untold crystal]

seing as 1f33 was dependent of 1f32, I only tried 1f32

but I couldn't

[heady escarp]

dependent? what does that mean

[untold crystal]

I meant that you need 1f32 in order to make 1f33

so that's why I only tried to quote 1f32

[chilly fulcrum]

by adding it to a spaced word?

[untold crystal]

I only tried with prepend mr/mrs and "hi <" "hi mr. <" , "hi mrs. <"

[chilly fulcrum]

I see

I can give it a try, although I don’t think I have any lowercases quoted in that region lol, are any routes still linked that show how they were found to begin?

[untold crystal]

Anyway, I've moved on to u now. Trying to revive ὑ

[untold crystal]

I don't care about optimizations. If you want go right ahead. I think all elements between 1F00 and 1F40 were revived in quoted version

[chilly fulcrum]

that’s fine sure, I will see what I can find in linked lineages that’s of interest

[trim pond]

U+1f65

[pulsar island]

Now try all elements under 1000 😔

[chilly fulcrum]

Revived or did it make it lowercase?

I need to get cat stones script that spawns all elements in Unicode range in save

that would be very nice so that I know what I have and don’t need to trial and error

[trim pond]

made it lowercase

U+1f6a
the other one is U+1f6b but I can't remove the other letter that is together with it

someone should try to extract it

[echo wasp]

I'll try

[chilly fulcrum]

string.remove surely /s

[untold crystal]

1F4A

[chilly fulcrum]

its in the messages above

[pulsar island]

booooo i just got it and all the way wad fd except the character 😔

[echo wasp]

no?

[chilly fulcrum]

ah i see now

[pulsar island]

"hi a b" + flip the order i think

[candid trellis]

https://tenor.com/view/disintegrating-funny-thanos-gif-22399978

[chilly fulcrum]

naturally i assumed since delete first word...

but i guess not

[chilly fulcrum]

what method did you use here

im going to see if i can get anything

[pulsar island]

sus flip the order

that was my way

[chilly fulcrum]

just realised how terrible my Seq. recipes are 💀

wtf is happening, so im doing the recipe for U+1f1b, its not working, but the recipe isnt being added to 1f13 (which is what the recipe is producing for me)

wait

never mind

[pulsar island]

who got 1f6e???

[chilly fulcrum]

looks like mbs casing variants was disabled

ha

[candid trellis]

What is sheet14?

[chilly fulcrum]

sheet14 is where [redacted].

oh no, "Hi Remove The" is up next... hopefully i can remove a mr

its hidden, so its where all the illegal activities happen

[candid trellis]

ALL illegal activities?

so everything that is/has/ever will be illegal is being done there?

🤨

[chilly fulcrum]

well, they all happen in hidden sheets

so i cant say that every single one is specifically in sheet14

[candid trellis]

https://tenor.com/view/iamtonytalks-tonytalks-antonio-baldwin-calling-call-the-police-gif-12385006250024902415

[echo wasp]

would we ever work on the PUA and unassigned sheets?

[chilly fulcrum]

up to you

[echo wasp]

I’m asking whether people will ever work on it, maybe when the assigned chars are all obtained

[chilly fulcrum]

hard to say if I will, but theres so many that if im ever bored i could do some

??? (trying to make "hi Remove The" atm)

weird, where did the s come from

[sonic heart]

do you have "hi Remove"?

[chilly fulcrum]

i got it in a roundabout way yeah

[sonic heart]

"hi Remove" + Th + The

[untold crystal]

1F52, 1F53. ~~ I'll post 1F4E here(#1206592567622373446 message)~~
Easier [1F4E here](#1206592567622373446 message)

1F51, 1F56. on the right is 1F50 quoted. First element is "hi [1F4E]" from the lineage above

[sonic heart]

99.5% holy

[chilly fulcrum]

i forgot how i got "next-codepoint" lmao

[candid trellis]

wait there are only 190 "other" 's left?

[sonic heart]

looks like it lol

[candid trellis]

how dafuq

[echo wasp]

at least exxxx aren’t the last chars to be gotten

[chilly fulcrum]

dang, that was so fast for such branch and so deep, where does all the stuff end up?

[echo wasp]

all tags and vs gotten

[candid trellis]

https://tenor.com/view/gus-fring-gustavo-fring-gustavo-fring-tiktok-edit-gustavo-fring-sad-sad-breaking-bad-edit-gif-27135393

[untold crystal]

1F4E

[sonic heart]

i feel like my recipe for it is gonna be a bit better...

[untold crystal]

maybe.

[chilly fulcrum]

gonna tidy up a couple recipes i think in the region

[untold crystal]

and maybe you can also unquote 1F50

[chilly fulcrum]

e.g. 1f21 can be made a bit simpler by not adding the 0 and just doing Next Codepoint

directly from the quoted version

[sonic heart]

easier 1f4e

[echo wasp]

now optimise e0fff

[sonic heart]

no

[chilly fulcrum]

i hate having to check every sequence for what the chars are

[echo wasp]

that means yes, since I cancelled it

[chilly fulcrum]

i just throw them into a storage pile

[sonic heart]

why?
(1f4e for sheet: #1206592567622373446 message)

[echo wasp]

lmao

[untold crystal]

1F62, 1F63
[1f1e Here](#1206592567622373446 message)

[untold crystal]

To be fair, I've focused only on reviving quoted versions, so that I may continue with the rest

[chilly fulcrum]

do you try hi seq mr first, or is that only after you tried all seq and combinations of seq with mr

[sonic heart]

i try hi seq. then hi seq. mr.

[chilly fulcrum]

like, you make hi seq., or you just try "hi seq. " and if it doesnt work then you prepend mr

[sonic heart]

"hi seq. " & "hi seq. <" + [char], if that doesnt work then i try them with mr. [char]

[chilly fulcrum]

got it

how do we plan to get 1f7x?

i got no real ideas atm

ive seen the unassigned method, fair enough

abuse that it has no casing, win

no unassigned to take advantage of here

[sonic heart]

yeah thats gonna be tricky

[echo wasp]

I guess all you need is quoted 1f70? (which is probably most tricky abt it)

[chilly fulcrum]

let me see

[sand coral]

1F6E
"hi Mr. Delete The " here #1206592567622373446 message

[sonic heart]

1f6d

[chilly fulcrum]

jinteresting i dont have flip the order

oh lol i had something with 1f6d in it but couldnt tell since checking every codepoint for the 2 in a rows there sucked

need a marking scheme

[untold crystal]

1F6F

[sonic heart]

1f7x time

[chilly fulcrum]

any ideas? presumably you are trying something rn

[pulsar island]

No

0xxx time 😔

There are 2 malayalam and one thai

[chilly fulcrum]

im not, i dunno what to try

surely there is an exmaple of a situation like this somewhere else where casing is an issue

[chilly fulcrum]

?? lol was that alive already or what

[echo wasp]

nice

[candid trellis]

A FED? SHIT I GOTTA GET OUTTA HERe

oh its only 1 FED

I can take them

[echo wasp]

1FED
correct first portion: #1206592567622373446 message

[candid trellis]

thats still only 1 fed

[pulsar island]

And what about 2 feds 😔

[candid trellis]

eh

fair fight

[chilly fulcrum]

is feb missing somewhere here

[echo wasp]

oh yeah

correct lineage

bruh

[raven ruin]

rubiksmath is so active that 1/30ish messages are from him

or 1/31iish

[chilly fulcrum]

Damn hi 9 + hi a b c that’s wild

How much of the stuff in that lineage is present on board when you do the last bit? for me a lot of it is cause I middle click everything

[twin bay]

I'm out of the loop, did we find any variation selectors yet?

[echo wasp]

b080

[echo wasp]

all 256 have been found

[twin bay]

Oh, what was the first one?

[echo wasp]

like the first one found? im not sure

[twin bay]

Yeah, I'm curious

[echo wasp]

i think it is this

[chilly fulcrum]

Just today we got the supplement

[twin bay]

I remember seeing something about people thinking variation selectors were gonna be the last symbols to be found, either I misremember or something changed 🤔

[chilly fulcrum]

it’s very complicated so I forget how exactly

[chilly fulcrum]

It’s variation selectors supplement that was being talked about there

[twin bay]

Maybe

[chilly fulcrum]

and it was indeed the very last block we found, just today in fact

[echo wasp]

well yeah, we barely had any chars up at e0xxx

[twin bay]

Are they just additional/newer variation selectors, or what?

[chilly fulcrum]

Basically

I can’t find too much info on them, they seem rarely ever used

[twin bay]

Know which one was the first to be found?

[chilly fulcrum]

not sure actually

probably basic latin

[twin bay]

This lineage starts from U+e01c3 and e01c4, but I can't find any lineages for them in search 🤔
#1206592567622373446 message

[echo wasp]

should be in sheet

another block restart les go

[pulsar island]

Hooray

[twin bay]

Lmao I got confused.
In the sheet U+e01c3 is gotten from U+e01c2, but there didn't seem to be a recipe for U+e01c2... until I realized it's two invisible variation selectors combined. Would probably be a good idea to add a note or something 😬

[chilly fulcrum]

Actually someone who has these chars export a lineage

[echo wasp]

b040

[chilly fulcrum]

I think it’s like 7k steps?

[twin bay]

Btw, do some people only put their findings straight into sheet and not make a discord post at all?

[chilly fulcrum]

If it doesn’t need elaboration yeah

I mean they could in theory elaborate with an imgur link

but a message here isn’t required, unless you aren’t an editor

[twin bay]

I see

[chilly fulcrum]

of course there are standards for when elaboration is necessary, I hope I’ve done okay with them to balance between total documentation and editor workload

[twin bay]

Would've been nice if every recipe was also discord searchable

[chilly fulcrum]

can I have an example?

I’d like to see what you mean so I can consider it

[twin bay]

Example of what?

[chilly fulcrum]

a case where the discord message would be very useful

[twin bay]

In this case I wanted to find the start/entry or first discovery of a variation selector supplement, but there were gaps (see reply)

The usefulness is having a chain of recipes

being able to search for the entry

[chilly fulcrum]

that’s true, it’s not clear from the list of recipes where the entry is

[twin bay]

But now you have to bounce between sheet and search, or god forbid, try to determine what the entry is from the sheet

[chilly fulcrum]

why do you need to search sorry?

[twin bay]

I mean if you want to find the entry via discord, there are gaps that need to be filled in with the sheet

I'd prefer being able to just find a chain in discord, linking back to the entry

In a perfect world...

[echo wasp]

the thing is that, finding the recipes has always been the sheet, not discord
(also putting codepoints for every char is going to be very tedious, especially if you're doing large chains)

if we enforced discord search for every char, will alfo still have been able to go at such speeds?

[chilly fulcrum]

oh right, so the lineage in discord goes back to an element which you need to use the sheet to find recipe for and then that one leads back after a few recipes to a discord link and so on…

yeah, that’s why something like browser is cool because the ingredients themselves point you to their ingredients and so on

[echo wasp]

fuezt is working on one right

[twin bay]

I don't doubt it's more effort, but it also saves effort later, for everyone, when elements want to be replicated

[twin bay]

@ this message

[echo wasp]

the thing is that when youre doing 4096 chars

(pov: alfo)

[chilly fulcrum]

I do totally understand, if you’re able to propose some system for it I will consider it

[echo wasp]

and many sets of 4096s daily, is it still practical?

[chilly fulcrum]

And outline exactly how you’d want the linking back to “entries” to work, and how that would be in an ideal scenario to you

[twin bay]

What's the deal with Seq. btw? Does it function differently to Mr. somehow?

[chilly fulcrum]

seq as in sequence

[twin bay]

Does it allow incrementing easier?

[chilly fulcrum]

used to prompt completion of patterns etc

it allows it reliably

[twin bay]

What I mean is, is that the primary function or reason why Seq. is being used?

Because it helps to increment codepoints, or whatever else

[chilly fulcrum]

How about you just open a notepad or something and as you follow the lineage just note down what you would have wanted ideally at each part of it and what you had to deal with in reality, is that okay? Don’t do this if you don’t intend to follow the lineage though

[chilly fulcrum]

incrementation via pattern completion is its sole purpose

[twin bay]

Don't know what you mean by pattern completion

[chilly fulcrum]

ah okay

[twin bay]

Example?

[chilly fulcrum]

I will explain

[split wraith]

now what

[echo wasp]

there are still tiny gaps

[chilly fulcrum]

seq. xx7c xx7d xx7e xx7f

the idea being that hopefully it will complete the pattern and give back something involving xx80

[echo wasp]

also does anyone have an example of a block decrementing to a previous block? e.g. element with b040 or b07f -> element with b000 or b03f

[twin bay]

So something like
seq. xx7c xx7d xx7e xx7f + Next Codepoint = xx80 ?

Is the desired function?

[chilly fulcrum]

something like that

[twin bay]

Or one of those turning into it

[echo wasp]

xx80 xx81 xx82 xx83 is mroe likely if it works

[chilly fulcrum]

often a lot of variants need to be made for it to work for the resistant ones, I don’t quite understand how they all do it but I guess it’s a skill issue

[twin bay]

And it does this better than doing the same with "Hi Mr. xx7c xx7d xx7e xx7f"?

[chilly fulcrum]

hard to say, that could be influenced by many biases

[twin bay]

Is there a lineage for "hi Seq. "?

[chilly fulcrum]

but at least with seq you are explicitly prompting a sequence

[abstract marsh]

Se[redacted]

[twin bay]

Nvm, I think I found the lineage

[chilly fulcrum]

not on the sheet I don’t think, there’s many small general tools like that that I’d love to have on there

if you have a suggestion for where they might go let me know

[chilly fulcrum]

Ah I see why you may get confused here, see in the beginning we did used to notate that in the notes for every invisible or box character

but whether something is a box or not is user dependent

so that complicated things a bit

but also since you can copy and paste the recipe into many online tools I think we stopped that

may be worth explaining in faq what to do in this case

I’ll do that tomorrow

[chilly fulcrum]

I have to go to bed but if you do intend to make those elements in game, consider trying this for me, it would help a lot, and hopefully the effort isn’t too much

(For Eisern)

my intended ideal documentation standard is much higher than the reality, I did try making some guides but they didn’t turn out as I wanted, and as for within the sheet the editor effort required is a barrier too, and I am not going to force them to keep to my ideal scenario, even I cannot uphold my own ideal scenario due to effort required

it’s possible effort will get redistributed into that once things wrap up in terms of discovery

[pulsar island]

AC09 AC0A

[echo wasp]

aren't they already made?

[pulsar island]

idk they are blue

[twin bay]

It's nothing that requires in depth instructions imo. I would've just liked if in the case of trying to look for the entry to variation selector supplements I could've searched for c3 and c4, like I could for several other higher codepoint selector elements.

[echo wasp]

oh no, blue just means that more advanced methods are needed to obtain it

[pulsar island]

oh

[twin bay]

As in, it would've been nice if there was a continuous chain of recipes back to the entry.

[chilly fulcrum]

well also do understand that these take place over many days

I don’t think it’s reasonable to redo the entire lineage from yesterday to append the finds from today to it, but a link could be provided for sure

I definitely used to do that, I’d always trace it right back, but that became impossible very fast

[chilly fulcrum]

What about an exported browser lineage?

could that suit your needs

You’d be able to ctrl+f

that could be provided for sure for complex entries

one nice thing about large blocks is entries consistently occur at every 00 40 80 and c0

but it’s also a curse since they block incrementation and force things like seq. Which we would otherwise not need

[echo wasp]

so any examples?

maybe it could go from b040 to b000

[twin bay]

Okay, so after a bit of headaches, this:

e01c0+ e01c1 = e01c2
Prepend mr. + e01c2 = Mr. e01c2
Mr. e01c2 + Next Letter = Mr. e01c3
Mr. e01c3 + Remove The Mr. = e01c3
e01c3 + Next Tangut Letter = e01c4```is essentially what I would've liked to have been added to the start of [this lineage](#1206592567622373446 message)
With a link to [this lineage for e01c0](#1206592567622373446 message)

I don't get why the lineages were posted in reverse order too 🤔
As in Alfo posted U+e01c5 - U+e01ef before he posted the entry, which was from e0000 > e01c0

[sand coral]

С918

[echo wasp]

see, any char in that lineage will be in the sheet, all you have to do, is go on the sheet (a bit inconvenient, but you can't expect everything to be provided to you like candy

[twin bay]

My guy, how do you think I did it?

It was a major pain in the ass to figure it out from the sheet

[echo wasp]

yes. but all you have to do is trace back in the sheet

[twin bay]

Why are you trying to explain to me what I already did? 🤔

[echo wasp]

what I'm saying is that the links, though it might be helpful, are not really necessary, since all you have to do is to trace back in the sheet

and if tracing back in the sheet is painful if there are many branches, I dont see how linking and replying would make it any less tedious

[twin bay]

Well you don't have to understand it. It was for Rubiksmath I was explaining to in the first place.

In any case I don't think there is any question whether it would be helpful or not. Currently it's a pain to find entry points to things in the sheet. Doubly so with invis chars as you have to bounce between a "What Unicode is this" page and sheet.

Posting recipe chains and fuller lineages in Discord is undoubtedly more beginner friendly, and easier to follow/trace back than the current system Unicode sheet offers, although it requires more effort on the part of the discoverer/documenter. I understand that it would slow down the actual discovery of elements. That is all.

[echo wasp]

I think you need to realise that these chains sometimes are spread out by days

[hybrid dune]

if you find something new, you can still link back to old stuff tho

[echo wasp]

then we are gonna have clowns saying "so many link redirections"

[twin bay]

Find me one such complaint

Why would anyone complain about ease of access?

Curious how not one single person ever has complained about too many links

[echo wasp]

Links in the sheet are ease of access btw

[echo wasp]

genius searching 👍

[twin bay]

The links in the sheet to discord messages are great

The gaps in links are my gripe

And I suspect that it's mostly a problem with invis chars

Which could be mitigated with some form of notation for them, for example

IB lineages for 1000+ step character recipes would also be great to link to in the sheet.

The whole reason I want to be able to trace back recipes to entry is so I can start doing some optimizations

But anyway, I've said my piece, it's too much of a pita to deal with the recipes currently, so I'll just wait until someone requests optimizations for specific characters with a base lineage until then.

I don't feel like tracing back the recipe to base for each character I want to optimize.

[echo wasp]

wtf

[sand coral]

same

[sand coral]

2CD4

B6B4

[echo wasp]

are there any ways to go back a block? e.g. 10040 -> 10000

[trim pond]

maybe i will consider getting all block starts but other than that i would just use a program to get the rest of them by incrementing.

[pulsar island]

I've failed to break b000

[trim pond]

what is my percentage?

[trim pond]

first one in any element I found was U+e0100, and also that was the first one I extracted iirc, but it also could've been U+e01c0. ( i was rushing to get fd on highest asssigned). theoretically i could check in the savefile which one it was exactly

[twin bay]

Cool, thanks

[trim pond]

the main reason why I "found" and started using it is was because i hoped it would help with incrementing and also because it seemed to work better than Mr.

[echo wasp]

115 days remaining.

what would happen when the countdown reaches 0, idk

[trim pond]

you explode 🌋

[echo wasp]

only way to stop it is to finish the project before the countdown reaches 0

[trim pond]

but Eisern if you want I can edit my lineages in discord to make them more clear, just tell me what is wrong or could be done better.

[trim pond]

the thing is, recipes for e01c0 - e01c4 weren't linked or anything and that suggests that the recipes are in the sheet, but sure i can add it

[twin bay]

Yes, I figured that out, but like I said, it was needlessly painful to follow

Would appreciate if it was added

[trim pond]

U+ab79

[twin bay]

["hi Seq." 73 and "hi Seq. " in 84-steps.](#1226511876733669436 message)

[trim pond]

@echo wasp got this. i saw that you were interested in block restars earlier:
"ꭶ-ꭷ-ꭸ-ꭹ" + "ꭼ-ꭽ-ꭾ-ꭿ" = "ꭀ-ꭁ-ꭂ-ꭃ"

[candid trellis]

When will asd decide his hobby/hobbies

[trim pond]

i hate this why can't I break the barrier to get U+ab80

in quotation marks

[trim pond]

looks quite nice

[sonic heart]

176 left in main sheet and 05xx still isn't complete 😔

[trim pond]

savio can you maybe try breaking ab7f?

all cherokee up to that are revived quoted

[candid trellis]

POV: doctor's writing

why are you eyeing my image 🤨

Prepare for Trouble! Make it double!

what tf did I just do

[trim pond]

lol what is that

[candid trellis]

I have no idea

[trim pond]

well it is going to be a surprise video then I guess

[rich peak]

Author: @candid trellis
MotionPrompt: $avemoves_woman_doja_cat
Command: </random:1272485059353640963>
Background: from video
Model: v2-turbo
Explore more features at viggle ai

[candid trellis]

I just clicked the shapes when hovering over this image

[candid trellis]

Also, is this (literally the element in quotes in the emoji) normal behaviour?

[trim pond]

yeah, sometimes it just has the same emoji

[candid trellis]

whats the console thingy to check if u have any missing characters in elements again,

?*

[trim pond]

#1206592567622373446 message
you need to remove the line where the comment says "not single char" to check for elements longer than 1

[untold crystal]

why are all these dead? It's just ᾼ- and ᾼ-(something)

[trim pond]

that's weird. i don't know

[untold crystal]

I'm gonna post a lineage, maybe someone can test

[trim pond]

amount of unassigned i have in my elements (not only single character ones) that are not in the unassigned sheet

but it counted some of them multiple times

so it is less than this

[untold crystal]

can anyone test this?

[sonic heart]

I'm at school rn

[trim pond]

ah ok

[tepid blaze]

Except that it's a hell to make it optimise the lineage

[trim pond]

do you think we could make something like this work to obtain characters between 40000 and e0000?

[pulsar island]

Sus average

[sonic heart]

google translate got new languages wtf

[trim pond]

did it get Medefaidrin?

[sonic heart]

no

[trim pond]

😦.

[sage wren]

i mentioned this 3 months ago... :(

[chilly fulcrum]

After I went to bed what happened, did Eisern give any more feedback?

[echo wasp]

also do you have any examples of 7f -> 3f other than the e007f one?

[sonic heart]

how does capitalization at 10xxx work?

[lethal nymph]

if you have an uppercase letter then it's dead no matter where the letter is

[sonic heart]

i thought it was just flipped

uppercase acts like lowercase and vice-versa

[lethal nymph]

nah

it's only flipped for the first letter of each word lol

[sonic heart]

ah

[chilly fulcrum]

What did it do? what are the codepoints involved

[echo wasp]

the chars are in his message

[chilly fulcrum]

yeah I know but mobile sucks

[echo wasp]

I'm also on mobile. just copy the message and then go to an analyser

[raven ruin]

like 1/158ish

[lethal nymph]

lol rubiks has twice as much as me

i probably have the 2nd most messages now?

[trim pond]

i don't think so

[sage wren]

i am EDTA (ethylenediaminetetraacetic acid)

[lethal nymph]

thanks nilo

[sage wren]

WHO THE FUCK IS THAT.

[lethal nymph]

my bad

thanks ethylenediaminetetraacetic acid

[sage wren]

are you cheating on me with someone named nilo .. I canNOT believe this. 😡

Just you wait for when Vodafone hears

[chilly fulcrum]

Did we get to 1f7x

[sonic heart]

does anyone have anything between 10cb3 and 10cbf?

[chilly fulcrum]

I do have one suggestion for old Hungarian

since trying to make khitan made old Turkic

which is close to old Hungarian

Maybe with the codepoints in 18xxx it can work

[tepid blaze]

hmm i will go back scrapping with the tools i know tend to give Old hungarian capital letter, maybe with some luck i will get one of those

[trim pond]

i think i will try to make 10cb3 - 10cbf and then at least we could get the small letters. and maybe with Kiyan's magic we can make them uppercase

[sage wren]

yeah

[chilly fulcrum]

What did they do to make uppercase?

[trim pond]

stuff like Lowercase Y + "cyrillic-to-lowercase" or something like that.

[chilly fulcrum]

this is for stuff above ffff right?

[trim pond]

it was for stuff below 10000, but maybe it could work for stuff above ffff

[sonic heart]

combining U+10cc0 with all the unicode stuff i have lol

[chilly fulcrum]

Try 18cc0

or similar

[sonic heart]

im just leaving 2-sides running rn combining U+10cc0 with everything that has unicode in it

[chilly fulcrum]

Is that the result of combining? some of those look like they were generated by things i haven’t seen before

Ah

I see

Makes sense

[trim pond]

i mean we only need to revive the first letter

then we can just increment

[sonic heart]

maybe 10cc0 would be possible with
ACBF
BCBF (not found but BCBD has been)
CCBF (not found but CCBC has been)
FCBF

[trim pond]

i am trying 10af3-10b33-10b73-10bb3 + 10b73 10c33 10c73 up to 10aff to get something in the unassigned range after the capitals

[sonic heart]

hm

[trim pond]

i can't really go straight for lowercase because i would need the uppercase letters in the chain

and they would make it dead

cause the uppercase letters span across the "whole" block

[sonic heart]

lmfao

[trim pond]

i wanted to make b2 first and then increment the components that made it

but one of the components doesn't increment so I will need to make the incremented version from scratch

so yeah, it was intentional

who has it?

[sonic heart]

oof

[trim pond]

and this one

revived

[pulsar island]

#next frfr 😔

[trim pond]

"next-codepoint", Next Tangut Letter, "next Codepoint", "the Next Codepoint", Unicode.next_codepoint are wroth a try, but others might have other preferences

wow 119 left, almost less than 100

btw this is the recipe for U+10cb2, not sure if I should make a lineage for it or not, if yes then probably the day after tomorrow
or if i should wait for someone to find it in a different way

if you want you can make the lineage yourself

.
also did anyone try tackling the ab7f barrier?

if we break it we'll be under 100 (it is 24 free characters, literally)

[night dragon]

woah we almost done :3

[trim pond]

"almost" -> 3 blocks with needed capital snipes

and then U+2012, U+2020 and U+202d

idk how hard those are going to be

[chilly fulcrum]

Hmm?

[chilly fulcrum]

And you have all those chars? Nice

Oops

sorry

[echo wasp]

its not really almost when the rest are a pain in the ass to make

also friendly reminder that cjk and hangul exists 😊

[echo wasp]

oh well. looks like i (most likely) will not be able to go backwards to b000 lol

[split wraith]

24-step 「」

Water + Earth = Plant
Earth + Plant = Tree
Water + Tree = River
Tree + River = Paper
Plant + Paper = Book
Earth + River = Delta
Delta + Book = Alphabet
Alphabet + Alphabet = Word
Word + Word = Sentence
Wind + Sentence = Phrase
Book + Phrase = Quote
Alphabet + Quote = Punctuation
Punctuation + Quote = Apostrophe
Apostrophe + Quote = Quotation Mark // 14
Water + Wind = Wave
Wave + Water = Tsunami
Tsunami + Earth = Island
Island + Earth = Continent
Continent + Alphabet = America
America + Quotation Mark = American Quotation Mark
America + Tsunami = Japan
Japan + American Quotation Mark = Japanese Quotation Mark
Alphabet + Delta = Greek
Greek + Japanese Quotation Mark = 「」  // 24 :: 

[chilly fulcrum]

Why can’t we use the going backwards that made e003f then 3e 3d 3c and then e0000?

[echo wasp]

huh

what chars would I use before b07f? how can I be sure it isnt a one-off? I need more examples before trying, I don't want it to be a waste of time

and e003c was pure luck with Flip The Word Ordering

[chilly fulcrum]

I’ll need to check how 3f and 3e were done again

[echo wasp]

3f would be a free 3e, but 7f -> 3f is what I don't understand

[chilly fulcrum]

hmm? why is going back from 3f free?

[echo wasp]

adding next stuff to a sequence of chars with 3f will almost always give 3e
e.g. 1007f 2007f b07f -> 1007e 20080 b07e (not a real example)

i haven't done too much testing though, so maybe it might not be as "free" as I think it is

[tepid blaze]

it start getting filled a bit (even if im pretty sure there some unassigned missing from the sheet somehow (at least from plane 0 to 3))

[echo wasp]

plane 14?

[tepid blaze]

hell (can give edit perm if someone want cause i ain't doing alone the stupid amount of unassigned there is to add)

[chilly fulcrum]

Wait hmm, but isn’t the point of stuff with f to barrier break? There must be a subtle difference in missing