Unicode

[trim pond]

yeah idk what that was

[echo wasp]

so lucky lol

[trim pond]

yea

[chilly fulcrum]

to get it to render

did u open in notepad++

[trim pond]

i did, idk about asd

[echo wasp]

im gonna optimise "b "

its just b space right

[trim pond]

yes

also it is highly probably that you can combine it with some different element to get "(smth)[80]"

[echo wasp]

"b "

[trim pond]

recipe for "b-"

if anyone wanted it

[echo wasp]

this is more complicated

[slate whale]

meh

[chilly fulcrum]

i have a route for 008d that should be well under 1k steps but browser keeps picking silly routes lol

so im removing recipes from the save until it listens

good route for mojibake?

i dont have one

semantic attempt: fail

hmm got a half decent one

[echo wasp]

U+0080 visual lineage + slightly optimised in some small areas

[trim pond]

nice

[trim pond]

wow you were able to remove last character to get "a[80]"

[echo wasp]

ah yes now 7f

surely we can just increment from tilde

[trim pond]

hm.. because 7f is delete, I am not sure how much will the ai want to give us that

[echo wasp]

lol

[trim pond]

you could also try decrementing from [?][8f] to get [7f][8f]

[chilly fulcrum]

browser still insists "this is best"

[trim pond]

also I found 91 just before the first element with 80. But I can't separate it. maybe you can try.
"バ" + Next Alphabet = "パ"

[echo wasp]

????

[trim pond]

do you have "バ" ?

[83][90]

[echo wasp]

yes

[trim pond]

combine with Next Alphabet

i really don't know how to separate it

[echo wasp]

alright ill try

[trim pond]

u got the 91 right

[echo wasp]

yes

[trim pond]

manha didn't work

ok nvm I just figured out how to get "ƒ‘" (which is [83][91])

[echo wasp]

damn ure actually rly good at this lol

[trim pond]

i had an idea and it worked

i will try to remove the 83 then I'll share it

[graceful marsh]

How many c1s do we have total now?

[trim pond]

17

[chilly fulcrum]

right, i playes for a while and im surprised you got anything to work, why manha? i mean like i tried to find an alternate for hours and not one worked xd

[trim pond]

ok found it

gonna share a lineage in a minute

[echo wasp]

that was quite a long extraction process

[graceful marsh]

Funny how an existence proof was all that was needed to break into c1

Oh fuck

What

Why did that reply

[candid trellis]

banned

[lethal nymph]

no idea

[echo wasp]

/ban @ laurasiagondwanaland

[graceful marsh]

Not again

[echo wasp]

duration: 6 hours

im gonna see what alfo got

[trim pond]

*26

[echo wasp]

does look like he didnt get 0092, maybe it can't increment

[trim pond]

still combining all with each other

[echo wasp]

did it skip 0092?

[trim pond]

yep I didn't are you testing it?

[echo wasp]

its dead

[trim pond]

yes

[echo wasp]

did u just find 9 more

[trim pond]

yes

[echo wasp]

alfo now has a unbeatable record for most c1 control fds lol

[trim pond]

well if you count 7f as c1 then no

[chilly fulcrum]

so wait am i missing something

what was your idea

[trim pond]

k i am making the lineage now

[chilly fulcrum]

oh

[echo wasp]

alright so 31 controls

[trim pond]

31 ?

[echo wasp]

im including the c0 stuff that we have recipes for

[chilly fulcrum]

which is none, imo, but i get what you mean

[echo wasp]

Well they are already found
Point is to find them so yea im adding them

[graceful marsh]

Was there an 0001 -> 0003/0007 recipe

[trim pond]

oh right

[echo wasp]

yea

I forgor all of them tho

[graceful marsh]

So the only one necessary for entry is 0001

Makes sense

[echo wasp]

4 + 6 = 7

7 + 2 = 3

[graceful marsh]

Incredible mathematics skill

[echo wasp]

ikr

ok just checking if they are self referencing

[chilly fulcrum]

i downloaded it

virus smh

idk it just took ages to open lol

[trim pond]

U+0091 and then 93, 95, 96, 98, 9a, 9b, 9e, 9f

[chilly fulcrum]

this sequence is insane to me "ƒ" + "hi Mr. Append ' " = "hi Mr. Append 'ƒ" "hi Mr. Append 'ƒ" + Remove The Word Hi = Mr. Append 'ƒ" Mr. Append 'ƒ" + Mr. Append('') = Mr. Append('ƒ"') Mr. Append('ƒ"') + Remove The Mr. = Append('ƒ"') Append('ƒ"') + Mr. Append ' ' = Mr. Append 'ƒ"' "hi Mr. Append ' " + Mr. Append 'ƒ"' = "hi Mr. Append 'ƒ"' "hi Mr. Append 'ƒ"' + Append ' ' " = "hi Mr. Append 'ƒ' " "hi Mr. Append 'ƒ' " + Remove The Word Hi = Mr. Append 'ƒ' Mr. Append 'ƒ' + Mr. Append('') = Mr. Append('ƒ') Mr. Append('ƒ') + Remove The Mr. = Append('ƒ') Append('ƒ') + String.append() = String.append('ƒ') Append('ƒ') + Mr. String.append() = Mr. String.append('ƒ') like how

[trim pond]

the strategy that I found was to prepend a different control char and then remove it

[echo wasp]

ok wait nvm 7 is self reference

[trim pond]

?

[trim pond]

to get rid of the ã

[chilly fulcrum]

like, obv this was a side quest

but even as a main quest i wouldnt be able to do that, let alone with everything else on the board

[echo wasp]

if you work with .appends a lot

[trim pond]

yeah I was trying to make the 83 into string.append. so I just combined it and hoped for the best

[chilly fulcrum]

too much stuff going on.. like even when i was just making an easy alt entry, it was near linear yet the number of things building up on my board was insane

[trim pond]

these are the tools I used to get something like "xxxx Append '[control]"

but mostly the ones that are " xxxx Append ' " and " xxxx Append ' ' "

[echo wasp]

I thought of that but I thought that the AI would just keep the ã so I didn't even try it 😭

[trim pond]

I mean it probably doesn't always work

btw does anyone want to try incrementing from 9f to a1?

on that note, do you think we could increment 9f to a0?

[lethal nymph]

what was your recipe for that

oh right

[trim pond]

wow can you share the recipe?

[lethal nymph]

it's just "\n" + "prepend U+0001"

[chilly fulcrum]

yeah, although how do you remember or figure out what quotes are what there... also still needs good organisation.. i dont have a pic of the board from before but i needed about 1/10th as much tools as you but the board usage was still about 4 full boards worth for a completely linear entry

[trim pond]

string.charat(10) recipe is in string.appends therad

[chilly fulcrum]

\n? cool i only have that in the $result

[lethal nymph]

oh no i have it

fd, in fact

was just curious about the recipe

cause i got it like this

[chilly fulcrum]

a0 in what sense, like in quotes? i dont think you have to go such extreme lengths to get a0 in quotes...

[chilly fulcrum]

ick

[trim pond]

without quotes

[trim pond]

did you make "prepend U+0001" by appending to "prepend U" ?

[lethal nymph]

"prepend U+"

= "prepend " + U+

[chilly fulcrum]

not possible...

[trim pond]

well it says probably so I thought that maybe there was a chance

[lethal nymph]

yea a0 is trimmed

[chilly fulcrum]

i mean it says probably but we are like, very sure

[lethal nymph]

it's certainly not possible

getting it in quotes would be really good though

[chilly fulcrum]

i left probably because its inferred to be not possible while = is directly confirmed by neal

i can change if u want

but yeah if you try and use just 00a0

its a 500

very strong sign

that its trimmed

[echo wasp]

btw you still haven't encountered any a0 in your bruteforcings right

[lethal nymph]

of course not

[chilly fulcrum]

well, you wouldnt because it would get trimmed

[lethal nymph]

in fact, i have not been bruteforcing

[chilly fulcrum]

whereas controls and shy are not trimmed so were found

[echo wasp]

String.append('controls') and String.append('nbsp') was like the reason why I started doing unicode

oh and ofc 00ad and 00b8

[chilly fulcrum]

i guess time to get charat...

i have c.charat(0)

from the early days of code elements

[lethal nymph]

imposter

[chilly fulcrum]

is it makable from here?

or not

[echo wasp]

I'm not very sure if 00a0 is even possible in any part of a string

[trim pond]

idk

[lethal nymph]

it should be possible

afaik neal only knows about normal space

[graceful marsh]

Jeal actually also knows about Ogham Space

But that's it

[lethal nymph]

he probably doesn't

[graceful marsh]

'twere a comedy

[lethal nymph]

dam

[graceful marsh]

Honestly I should've said En Quad

Silly me

Okay reset the timeline

[chilly fulcrum]

i got distracted looking for the charat recipes by the appends... oops... dangerous to go in there or you never come out

[trim pond]

also 91 casually replacing the quotation marks with itself

‘alphabet‘ when

[chilly fulcrum]

lol

[lethal nymph]

for some reasons the model thinks x01 is a

[chilly fulcrum]

first letter? hm

i mean 0001 is just like, not normal

[lethal nymph]

"string.fromcharcode(1)" + Stands For = "a"

[trim pond]

it probably thinks of the alphabet

[lethal nymph]

like "\u0001" + U+3000 = "a\u3000"

[trim pond]

interesting

[chilly fulcrum]

ahh damn charcodes now

i am behind

let me get stands for first

ok

now, i anticipate string.fromcharcode serach wont work

what do i need to know for those

[graceful marsh]

Y'know it's just occurred to me that both AWWO and Code Elements (and thus eventually String.cult) were born from the same event

[chilly fulcrum]

is that so

[echo wasp]

btw how do you get String.fromcharcode(number)@

[echo wasp]

alright

[chilly fulcrum]

and then quote and increment? what about 1

[slate whale]

don't have 1

[trim pond]

also this

but they are both dead

[candid trellis]

my only one (you can just use Remove The Mr.)

also adding semicolon to the Mr. one turns it into ...(59)

[chilly fulcrum]

i see, i need to set aside like a lot of time... but im busy adding stuff to sheets lol

[candid trellis]

also just revived this for god knows what reason

was bored ig

[slate whale]

and that one adds semicolons

[chilly fulcrum]

so did you get these from \n

i sense i am very behind

because i am long way off getting "\n" which is needed for "\uxxxx"

008d 1037 step https://ib.zptr.cc/item/01j5jhh51g1hxwmq05mafmd1y8

lots of cringe on browsers part still but the major stuff is fixed

[slate whale]

well there is curly "\n"

[chilly fulcrum]

right, i mean those are unquoted charcodes, nata had quoted, and alfo had charat

[trim pond]

gj

[chilly fulcrum]

okay nice

[slate whale]

ye

[chilly fulcrum]

\n

[candid trellis]

almost forgot I had this

[chilly fulcrum]

\r\n

[slate whale]

(10) just does that

[chilly fulcrum]

\r\r\r\n

(cursed line breaks)

[slate whale]

13 adds \r very rarely

[chilly fulcrum]

and 9 adds \t i assume

[echo wasp]

mbs doesn't even show codepoint for nbsp lol

yeah instantly rejects

[chilly fulcrum]

its a 500

i know from when i used to know how to make request from console

now i am just like "hmm unsafewindow is undefined... uhhh idk"

[trim pond]

I actually have 9c and 9d, but they are in these elements

[echo wasp]

I have 9d but its dead

[trim pond]

then from 92, 94, 97 I don't have them in any element

[echo wasp]

damn so we are now only missing 7f 92 94 97 99 9c 9d

gotta update my sheey

[trim pond]

and 9c 9d

oh and also 99 I forgot about that one

[echo wasp]

oh yea

[echo wasp]

I think 7f would be the hardest one for c1s

[chilly fulcrum]

lol what after the quotes

[trim pond]

yeah xd. I managed to remove the words and now I have this "€œ"€

[chilly fulcrum]

damn

[trim pond]

for whoever wants to try separating the 9c and 9d here is the recipe

is works with some other letters too, if that helps

[echo wasp]

alright

[neat haven]

well great

[chilly fulcrum]

try \"

need to escape the quotes

[neat haven]

i don't have \"

[echo wasp]

btw where are the 9cs and 9d

like which position

[trim pond]

here is another one with 9c that I found as well

[trim pond]

"[80][9c]hi Mr. B"[80][9d]

[chilly fulcrum]

i meant for searching, presuming that was the issue

tbh i dont actually know what the issue was

i thought maybe you got dementia bug

[neat haven]

i need U+0028"

which requires "((o

[chilly fulcrum]

hm wait a sec

[neat haven]

which requires "((o"

[trim pond]

i mean recipe dementia is partly caused by the fact that when you make an element that is not capitalized the same way as the capitalization that you made it in the first time, then it won't save. (if you have variations disabled)

[neat haven]

which requires "((alphabet" from c - o

[chilly fulcrum]

oof

[trim pond]

it is in that lineage I posted

but I think someone else posted a better way to make the final element

if that is what you're trying to make

[chilly fulcrum]

i have U+0027"

not 28

[neat haven]

somehow got it

[trim pond]

oh there is also this way of making Mr. Remove('xxx') but I don't know how well it works for single characters

[echo wasp]

it keeps banishing the contrils

most I got was "[80][9c]i Mr

no dot or quote at the end

[trim pond]

yeah it is hard

[chilly fulcrum]

isnt that like just as hard

still need it in an append

[trim pond]

hmm... yeah you're probably right. But usually people will make Append() not Remove()

idk

[trim pond]

I mean I would love to get (Mr.) String.remove('[80]') or (Mr.) Remove('[80]') but I can't even get anything with this substring '[80]'

[echo wasp]

its quite straightforward most of the time since it's mostly the same process (at least most of the time, not always)

but yeah sometimes it rly hard

[trim pond]

Append('g') and "g" was quite annoying

[chilly fulcrum]

well, looking at your old one

or rather

your route for 0091

remove followed from append

[neat haven]

oh gosh it's time for unrendered characters

anyone know a good font

[trim pond]

or like get anything with [80] into string.remove / remove tools actually

[echo wasp]

yea... really annoying

[echo wasp]

the noto family is great

[trim pond]

I got it into two apostrophes but it is dead

wrong way around

lol

[neat haven]

can't render control characters very well

[echo wasp]

you're going for controls?

[graceful marsh]

He wants total control

[trim pond]

ok making progress

[neat haven]

i just want to get them

[neat haven]

"free will is a lie 🗣️ 🔥 💯 "

[chilly fulcrum]

😬 coup part 3

[lethal nymph]

so true

[tepid blaze]

i love the fact that i have full render for controls characters

[trim pond]

yay i got it into mr. string.remove

[echo wasp]

I also got it:))

like 1 minute later lol

[trim pond]

lol

the remove doesn't seem to do anything

:(

[chilly fulcrum]

wish i could make stuff as deep as this

[echo wasp]

no like why would you need it to render to get tjem

[trim pond]

wait nvm

[neat haven]

because

[chilly fulcrum]

rendering controls... there is nothing to render

[neat haven]

text file does not make sense

[chilly fulcrum]

that is like saying render the space bar

its just blank

[echo wasp]

thats honestly quite normal for some of the appends done

[chilly fulcrum]

yeah, i wish i cuold do it ; ;

[echo wasp]

just follow the same pattern

[echo wasp]

most controls arent even for visual representations

[neat haven]

i know

controls aren't supposed to be rendered

but how do i know which one is which

[echo wasp]

copy to an analyser

[chilly fulcrum]

hard, its not really an easy pattern, and the board fills up. i did manage to get it done earlier but it was lucky it worked when it idid, if it didnt it would have exponentially gotten out of hand

like only one or two more recipes and i think it was over

[echo wasp]

??? why is your board filling up with only like a dozen steps

[chilly fulcrum]

cause theres all the nearby variants that you have to use for any kind of branched lineage - i see those things used all the time so im keeping them, and also yeah a dozen steps if done perfectly, but a dozen steps is millions upon millions of combinations

[echo wasp]

like there definitely is sth wrong with your organisation, cuz my board doesn't fill up that fast

[chilly fulcrum]

uh huh

i know that

but im not sure how i can simultaneously still be able to use all those branches yet not have it fill up immediately

[echo wasp]

you don't.

you shouldn't rly be branching a lot of times imo

[chilly fulcrum]

i mean im not, it only ends up once or twice, but the possibility of needing them for a future branch remains

so if i havent branched yet i have loads of stuff

[echo wasp]

I think you're literally just trying too much stuff for no reason

there's no reason why your board will be full in 5 minutes

wait what zoom are you at

[chilly fulcrum]

50%

[trim pond]

i am at 67%, it is hard to differentiate between apostrophes etc. on 50 for me

[chilly fulcrum]

even 100 i cant

looks like your font spaces them though

in a way thats easier to tell

my font spaces them identically you literally cannot tell

[trim pond]

even I can't. but at least I can see if there are 3 or 2 (''' or '')

and stuff like that

but the zoom is just personal preference

[echo wasp]

how much do you space out the elements

[chilly fulcrum]

well they end up somewhat spaced, which is something i need to work on

mostly from me just duplicating and throwing stuff around in spurts of 3-5 recipes

[echo wasp]

ah perhaps is cuz they are rather spaced out

[trim pond]

i hate it so much. I can't even prepend anything

if anyone wants to try to separate those two

also I couldn't get the last one into quotation marks on both sides

[echo wasp]

ok i will gvie it a sot

shot

[trim pond]

gl

[chilly fulcrum]

yeah see here every element alfo used would have ended up in storage + all the stuff that wasnt used cause it didnt work yet

[chilly fulcrum]

mine is closer than that i think

[echo wasp]

prolly faster

[trim pond]

hmm. yeah

[echo wasp]

managed to quote it

[trim pond]

nice

[echo wasp]

idk what im trying to do now lol

[trim pond]

lol

[trim pond]

i found it as well now

[regal fulcrum]

Ancient Egyptian Twitter:

𓀥   𓁆 𓀕

𓁆 𓀟  𓀣 𓁀

[abstract marsh]

seeing the vote balanced, im not sure which side to pick

[chilly fulcrum]

“‘“ lmao what

[echo wasp]

i suppose you did remove the first character...

[trim pond]

no

still haven't

lool

[tepid blaze]

hell it was long adding all the found control char to my db -_-

[echo wasp]

oh shoot

i still havent added alfo's c1 controls

[trim pond]

are you adding them to the unicode spreadsheet?

[chilly fulcrum]

what the

[echo wasp]

no

my own sheet

[chilly fulcrum]

Unicode sheet doesn’t have them, at least not yet

[trim pond]

ok

[heady escarp]

why doesnt it have them

[chilly fulcrum]

they are not characters in the same way that the others are

[heady escarp]

but u should add them since its possible to get at least some of them

[chilly fulcrum]

If you look at the Unicode character count, you can see there’s arbitrary divisions

yeah they can be made, but then you have to ask ok do we add private use, what about noncharacters, what about surrogates, etc

[echo wasp]

just dont add then

[chilly fulcrum]

but if you want to add another sheet for it I won’t stop you

I’d have to change stuff but it’s not hard, although having a big gaping hole as the very start on the main sheet is a bad look xd

[graceful marsh]

I'd rather not list the controls on main sheet

[heady escarp]

what is private use unicode and noncharacters unicode?

are they possible to get in IC?

[graceful marsh]

Fuezt you're collecting the nonchars right?

[chilly fulcrum]

I also agree yes

[tepid blaze]

unassigned and invalid char👍 (and controls too)

[graceful marsh]

Alrighty

Oh

[chilly fulcrum]

I don’t know if this project should track them or not, but if it does I think a dedicated section is fine

[graceful marsh]

So not PUAs?

Or is that under unassigned

[chilly fulcrum]

depends what definition

strictly speaking PUA is assigned

[graceful marsh]

I'm asking Fuezt specifically

In relation to his list

[tepid blaze]

pretty sure i have some of them into my unassigned/invalid db

[graceful marsh]

Bene

I can workshop a Nonchar sheet we could use to dump

[heady escarp]

has anyone made any of these in IC?

[chilly fulcrum]

Take your pick

[chilly fulcrum]

yes, a copious amount

[heady escarp]

oh is there a list somewhere

[heady escarp]

i dont even know what any of these mean lol

[tepid blaze]

since the main db is just a literal copy of the sheet, and i do not add anything that not in the spreadsheet in it

[trim pond]

i have them in apostrophes now

[chilly fulcrum]

See the count in bold

That’s the one I’m using

[chilly fulcrum]

No, since they don’t mean anything

[heady escarp]

but they are unicode characters

[graceful marsh]

Do you have a count?

[graceful marsh]

Not characters

[chilly fulcrum]

They’re not actually characters

[tepid blaze]

of what specifically?

[chilly fulcrum]

according to Unicode Anyway

[graceful marsh]

Non-sheet codepoints

We need a better word

Nonchars is nebulous but it'll have to do

[chilly fulcrum]

any way to relate to this for the better word

[abstract marsh]

very normal behaviour XD

[chilly fulcrum]

} appender

[heady escarp]

we can hvae a separate sheet for them then

[chilly fulcrum]

near 100% consistency I bet as well

[abstract marsh]

around 50%

[chilly fulcrum]

I mean feel free to make one, but I don’t have any plans on adding them to this sheet

[graceful marsh]

Meh

The amount of work is annoying

I'm only gonna make a controls sheet

[heady escarp]

theres also a ”) appender

[heady escarp]

ok still better than nothing

[chilly fulcrum]

well the word sheet is ambiguous

like there’s sheets within a sheet

[abstract marsh]

make the format similar to main sheet in pins, so i can use rubik's unicode checker on that controls sheet

[tepid blaze]

here by exemple all the Private use i have (may have missed some since i did copy manually)

[graceful marsh]

True

PUAs I have no idea how to handle

There are too many

Best to just leave them be

[heady escarp]

how do u make them

[chilly fulcrum]

pua is lumped with control on there

[heady escarp]

do u use the same strats that u use for normal unicodes

[chilly fulcrum]

in the subtotal

[chilly fulcrum]

They just kinda happen

they’re “junk” unless they are a bridge in an assigned range

[graceful marsh]

I'm gonna say the Consortium can suck itself, at least the controls have assigned meaning

[chilly fulcrum]

U+160xx the ai is happy to make despite being nowhere near anything assogned

Like it could not be further

[tepid blaze]

i also did chain some invalid characters, but private use are not really good when it come to doing chains

[trim pond]

I just randomly got an element with 99

[chilly fulcrum]

If you’re interested in the way I generated sheet I just checked category and filtered

each char has a category assigned

[graceful marsh]

Wait hold on

So am I allowed to put this in the main spreadsheet as a new sheet or should I make a new spreadsheet

[chilly fulcrum]

or each codepoint rather

[abstract marsh]

is it 10 times more than the total of 3 sheet combined?

[graceful marsh]

Only if I use it for PUAs, which I won't

Just controls

[chilly fulcrum]

not sure

it’s technically easier to do in the database tho (maybe we should call it that? But then there’s fuezt db to avoid confusion with)

[graceful marsh]

Look, currently we have this

[chilly fulcrum]

yeah I only took that over in case anything had references to it still

I noticed sometimes it would say “check missing chars”

[graceful marsh]

Hmph

I'm actually gonna say we dump this sheet

[chilly fulcrum]

you could put it there, idk if they’d be happy though

[heady escarp]

lmao just got this accidentally

[chilly fulcrum]

right, just have to make sure dependencies are resolved

[graceful marsh]

Transfer any necessary information to comments and the rest we store elsewhere

Currently it's just sort of a hangers-on

[chilly fulcrum]

I can run a control f when I get up for “missing”

and check off every instance

and then it can be deleted

[graceful marsh]

Alright

[chilly fulcrum]

Although, as I’ll be asleep there’s no need to send everything through me, if you think you’re up to it you guys can make a start if u want

[echo wasp]

i didnt miss anything right

[chilly fulcrum]

Interestingly lots of people don’t want controls encoded by Unicode or utf formats but their hands are tied because it would break ascii compatibility which is like the worst sin

[trim pond]

99 is in a string

just found it

[chilly fulcrum]

Private use controls lmao

[echo wasp]

oh whats the recipe

idk bing ai generated all thse names so i just trusted it

[trim pond]

"d" + Mr. Append '€œ' = Mr. D'€™

the element is scuffed as usual

[chilly fulcrum]

ai generated names 💀

[echo wasp]

wdym lol i asked it to gvie the names of the controls

[chilly fulcrum]

should do that for fun on the main sheet and see how it goes

[tepid blaze]

hmm almost forgot this existed, i guess i will also add those into my db

[chilly fulcrum]

according to Unicode they don’t have names…. but let’s be real new line is new line

how can that not have a name like come on

[abstract marsh]

line breaker 👀

[echo wasp]

some just dont have name tho

"private use 1"

[chilly fulcrum]

all of tangut: 💀

[heady escarp]

well the name of it is Private Use 1

how can it not have a name

[echo wasp]

ok but revrse line feed, single shift one

[chilly fulcrum]

Ask the 6,000 or so tangut chracters

[trim pond]

more progress?

[chilly fulcrum]

Why none of them have names

[echo wasp]

ok rubiks you are wrong

[chilly fulcrum]

wrong about what

[heady escarp]

wrong about being wrong

[chilly fulcrum]

ah damn

[echo wasp]

them not having names

[chilly fulcrum]

According to Unicode database, they don’t

if you query the database and ask for the name of any of the controls it will give an empty string

But yeah let’s be real they have names regardless of what Unicode says

they are being silly with that one

[graceful marsh]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/161CGQqWWR5yW3eSKt9Xq-w3CO2kEMXQ4FzIPFcn4ISA/edit?usp=sharing

Proof of concept

[chilly fulcrum]

DEL

[graceful marsh]

Yeah

[echo wasp]

is this actually gonna be hte official shet

[graceful marsh]

Meh

Only if it wants to be

[echo wasp]

only make it official if an entry to 0001 and 0007 is found ...

[graceful marsh]

I don't see why you'd need to wait

Not like this counts to the count anyway

[echo wasp]

well can the 000x ones that have a known recipe be added, maybe without a tick

[graceful marsh]

Sure thing

You should probably just add them yourself actually

You have your own sheet anyway

[abstract marsh]

i think i'll go over 1k step cuz my And { recipe is pretty unoptimized

[echo wasp]

i put them as found lol

[graceful marsh]

We can have unticked recipes

[graceful marsh]

I think one of your tabs got messed up

[tepid blaze]

bruh

[echo wasp]

fuezt its still missing a bunch

[chilly fulcrum]

Does 11ad do that with anything else

[tepid blaze]

i know, still gave some

[lethal nymph]

whoever is hunting control can probably use this tooltip

{
        id: "exoticchars",
        name: "Exotic charcodes",
        priority: 0,
        description: "Shows charcode for control characters and non-breaking space if present.",
        enabled: false,
        condition: () => true,
        handle(element, tooltips) {
            const chars = ["\x00","\x01","\x02","\x03","\x04","\x05","\x06","\x07","\b","\t","\n","\x0b","\f","\r","\x0e","\x0f","\x10","\x11","\x12","\x13","\x14","\x15","\x16","\x17","\x18","\x19","\x1a","\x1b","\x1c","\x1d","\x1e","\x1f","\x7f","\x80","\x81","\x82","\x83","\x84","\x85","\x86","\x87","\x88","\x89","\x8a","\x8b","\x8c","\x8d","\x8e","\x8f","\x90","\x91","\x92","\x93","\x94","\x95","\x96","\x97","\x98","\x99","\x9a","\x9b","\x9c","\x9d","\x9e","\x9f","\xa0"];

            let tooltip = "🔡 ",
                good = false;

            for (const char of [...element.text]) {
                if (chars.indexOf(char) > -1) {
                    good = true;
                    tooltip += `{${char.codePointAt().toString(16).toUpperCase().padStart(2, "0")}}`;
                } else tooltip += char;
            }
            if (good) tooltips.push(tooltip);
        }
    }```

[graceful marsh]

Which controls are not possible again?

[lethal nymph]

they can be in quotes

(who knows about newline but just in case)

[graceful marsh]

You know what I mean

[echo wasp]

aight now 83-8c

[abstract marsh]

And {

[chilly fulcrum]

(Codepoint + 1 ) & 127 < 32 almost covers all bases but it would mark 010a as control

See if you can make it an expression

And 00ff I guess too

codepoint ^ 128 < 32 is very close it just misses DEL now

Oh wait no never mind

eh whatever doesn’t matter

Also…. If cjk extensions could break 30000

surely

Tangut extensions can break 18000

[abstract marsh]

it being obidient wtf

[lethal nymph]

i mean i can just x < 20 | x > 7e

[graceful marsh]

Transferred

[lethal nymph]

[...Array(160).keys()].filter(x=>x<32|x>126).map(x=>String.fromCharCode(x))

[echo wasp]

also add the rest of 008x

[graceful marsh]

Well I don't have them do I

[tepid blaze]

look like you missed 0082

[trim pond]

🫠 gl

[graceful marsh]

👍

[lethal nymph]

also i still don't know

[trim pond]

99 and 9a should be shifted one down

[graceful marsh]

Hm?

Oh shit

Alright fixed

[echo wasp]

I'll send over the recipes then

[graceful marsh]

I just need 87-8C

The rest were in DS

[echo wasp]

87: † Next Codepoint
88: ‡ Next Codepoint
89: ˆ Next Codepoint
8a: ‰ Next Codepoint
8b: ‰ Š
8c: Š ‹

[trim pond]

also you can just increment from 80 and 81, no need for those weird ones

[graceful marsh]

Not too shabby

Oh?

[trim pond]

unless they are easier

by combining 80 + 81 = 82, etc

[graceful marsh]

I'd need a proper list

[trim pond]

oh wait nvm 80 + 81 = 84

sry

[graceful marsh]

Is this correct

[trim pond]

it starts at 83

but you probably don't want to replace the recipe for 86 with it

[echo wasp]

yep

-6 of the 000x

[graceful marsh]

Alrighty

[trim pond]

now we need to get 9c and 9d from the "a[80][9c/9d]" somehow

[graceful marsh]

Surely 92 and 94 should be easier targets first

[echo wasp]

oh can you send me ur updated mbs script

[trim pond]

you just add what nata sent to violentmonkey

[echo wasp]

like a new userscript?

[trim pond]

but if you want sure

[echo wasp]

no where do I add

[trim pond]

#1206592567622373446 message

[echo wasp]

yeah ik where do I add that

[trim pond]

search for tooltipHandlers = [{ in the script and add it at the end of it

or start, wherever you want

[trim pond]

hm.. so every 000x on the sheet is posible from 0001

[graceful marsh]

I think?

Because 0001 + pilcrow is independent

[neat haven]

is it possible to encoding error to u+0001

[graceful marsh]

If you mean Mojibake, no

[heady escarp]

guys what if we pretended we know how to make 0001

and then made every other control using 0001

and banned everyone who disagreed with this idea?

[graceful marsh]

I think we should ban you

[heady escarp]

i didnt break any rules emma the horsey

[trim pond]

🔨

[neat haven]

0001 is a softlock to controls!!!

[trim pond]

⛹️

[graceful marsh]

What

Anyway yeah the current target is 0001

Once gotten the rest are automatically valid

[echo wasp]

and 0007

[graceful marsh]

Oh what?

[echo wasp]

I can't figure out how to get it without self reference

[lethal nymph]

so silly

[graceful marsh]

Ah dammit

[lethal nymph]

i should have expected this

silly again

[echo wasp]

can you send me your updated mbs script?
I got a syntax error, dk what I did wrong

[echo wasp]

Well we don't even have a way to do that yet

[echo wasp]

ty

[regal fulcrum]

im ashamed of it but

can someone explain to me the concept of privates

while i did a deep dive on Unicode obviously since im here and i know a lot about it

i never really understood privates

[graceful marsh]

Anyway

[echo wasp]

damn

#off-topic would be a somewhat better place

we dont talk about privates in a unicode thread

[graceful marsh]

PUAs are used for non-Unicode Consortium organisations to define their own standard character sets

For example, Microsoft uses it I believe to define some Developer Marker Characters

So all Microsoft Devs know that when they use those characters they will be the same within Microsoft

[echo wasp]

im gonna try and find a way to get to 0007

[graceful marsh]

As another example, Oxford University defines one section of the PUA for Brittonic runes

Essentially, they're just characters that will never be used officially, so anyone can use them for Private Use

[neat haven]

conlang fans going wild rn

[graceful marsh]

Ah, yes, sitelen pona

[lethal nymph]

why does it love "A" and "E" so much

[graceful marsh]

Age of Empires

[heady escarp]

Allied oppenheimer Meth

[echo wasp]

what should I mash it with to try and go past 0004, since it gets stuck there

[heady escarp]

oh wait the last word starts with E not M

Allied oppenheimer E_Meth

there

[neat haven]

after effects

[graceful marsh]

Area of Effect

[graceful marsh]

Can't Mr. it?

[echo wasp]

not capitalised

[neat haven]

AFTER EFFECTS

[graceful marsh]

Too capitalised

[echo wasp]

that stands for AFTEREFFECTS

[graceful marsh]

After Fter Ter Er R Effects FFects Fects Ects Cts Ts S

[echo wasp]

no

[neat haven]

Aft Ereffects

[lethal nymph]

applied energistics

[graceful marsh]

Angry Eirds

[echo wasp]

Alien shooter Efender

[lethal nymph]

it doesn't want to be control anymore

[graceful marsh]

I can't believe you would Fend the Es like that

[heady escarp]

Affectionate Eagle-infinite-craft-hacker-who-cheated-in-u+0001-without-telling-anyone-eye

[graceful marsh]

Alien Shooter Defender when Native Swordsman Attacker walks in the room

[neat haven]

: s h o c k e d :

[heady escarp]

Native Not-american Attacker*

[abstract marsh]

it wanted to be bell

[echo wasp]

at least it is sorta correct

[abstract marsh]

oh wait yeah 💀

[lethal nymph]

it is correct

[graceful marsh]

Well

[lethal nymph]

that's why i think we're most likely gonna get 07 first honestly

[trim pond]

the ai is joking. omg :(

[lethal nymph]

so true

[echo wasp]

yeah it keeps removing the 9c

[sonic heart]

i see that yall are having fun with the control chars

[echo wasp]

no we aren't with 009c

[neat haven]

string terminator

terminates itself

makes sense

[sonic heart]

you should try adding a letter at the end or smth

[graceful marsh]

Riation you should make your name stupid as well

[echo wasp]

i swear im gonna wake up tomorrow to see 0007 get crafted

[graceful marsh]

0007 is gey?

Change it back coward

[echo wasp]

wdym you sent it after I changed it

[neat haven]

i'm staying in the never change nickname team no matter what

[graceful marsh]

Lag

That signal had to travel across a continent

[heady escarp]

Riation when Riatioff walks into the room:

[neat haven]

oh f-

[echo wasp]

Well very sadly it doesn't matter

[abstract marsh]

i had changed my name

1. truth
2. lie
   which one is it?
   ||actually i forgot ||

[lethal nymph]

‪❗🔇🔇

[graceful marsh]

Lie

You were once Bael, Destroyer of Worlds

[sonic heart]

where is this lol

[echo wasp]

ok yeah the ai knows that 0007 is the most

[graceful marsh]

It truly is the most

[graceful marsh]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/161CGQqWWR5yW3eSKt9Xq-w3CO2kEMXQ4FzIPFcn4ISA/edit?gid=1113159248#gid=1113159248

Not official sheet yet

We should have a funny emoji bounty

[echo wasp]

the Scottish flag! (totally possible)

[graceful marsh]

I want a place to put stuff like this

[sonic heart]

unicode bounty board

[neat haven]

no way real

[tepid blaze]

got some things like that (but with a ; at the end)

[neat haven]

how do you put backslash behind thing

[echo wasp]

????

[tepid blaze]

...

[echo wasp]

bro I just want to get a 0007 that isn't self referencing 😭

also why is it not fd

[graceful marsh]

Incredible

[neat haven]

how do i know

[echo wasp]

who got it

speak up NOW

[lethal nymph]

me

[echo wasp]

what's up with the reacts

[lethal nymph]

no clue

[candid trellis]

what reacts?

[echo wasp]

[lethal nymph]

i was messing with 01 when we first realized it was alive

[echo wasp]

[lethal nymph]

also the quoted 01 exists lol

[graceful marsh]

???

[echo wasp]

wait what

[heady escarp]

guys what if c0000218 got FD on u+0001

[graceful marsh]

See okay that implies non-cheating

[lethal nymph]

i told you i was messing with it when we first realized

[graceful marsh]

Oh wait you did it

[echo wasp]

wait shit

[candid trellis]

its not "what if". its "when will they show us"

[echo wasp]

that 0001 bs helped to go past 0004

lol

[heady escarp]

is 0000 alive

[echo wasp]

I'm sure ntsq has a better recipe right

Mine is {0001} + {0091}

[lethal nymph]

i also got silly stuff like

[echo wasp]

no

[neat haven]

U+-0001

[graceful marsh]

This is beyond silly

[lethal nymph]

so true

[graceful marsh]

Inedible

[echo wasp]

what

[neat haven]

wow

[heady escarp]

the fuck theres 3 frnech flags

[neat haven]

invisible characters

[graceful marsh]

Oh hello c0000218

[lethal nymph]

for some reasons 1 + 3 = 4 and 3 + 1 = 4 are both saved?

[echo wasp]

???

alright found a non-self referencing 0007

[abstract marsh]

wait what

[echo wasp]

what was ur recipe for that?

[candid trellis]

whats the difference between \u0001 and \u0001 (not "the backslash" but the meaning)

[lethal nymph]

one means \u0001 and one means

[candid trellis]

wtf is neighing

[heady escarp]

horse sound i think

[graceful marsh]

What

[heady escarp]

because laurasia is a horse these days

[candid trellis]

Paarden hinniken

[graceful marsh]

Alfo what the fuck

[sonic heart]

why are these set as impossible

[lethal nymph]

the same way space is impossible

[graceful marsh]

They're whitespaces

They get trimmed

[echo wasp]

 +  =  
 +  =  
 +  =  
 +  =  ```

have fun

[graceful marsh]

Somebody label these please

[sonic heart]

ah

[candid trellis]

What are we even trying to get?

U+0001?

[heady escarp]

box + box = lots of boxes
lots of boxes + box = box
box + box = box
box + box = box
box + box = box

[echo wasp]

01 + 91 = 01010101......
0101010101...... + 04 = 05
04 + 05 = 06
05 + 06 = 07
06 + 07 = 08

19 of 01's to be exact

[graceful marsh]

Perfect

We now have a cascade

[echo wasp]

was going for non-self referencing 0007 first

but yeah 0001

should we make space, full stop, nbsp all impossible at this point instead of probably impossible?

[graceful marsh]

Probably

[lethal nymph]

what if neal wakes up one day and decide that he loves the ogham script

[abstract marsh]

"unicode\n" + { Out = "unicode" }
mhm

[tepid blaze]

i have some doubt on this one

[graceful marsh]

Can we enlist some niko hypnotism

[sonic heart]

what if neal did a bit of trolling and made every single unicode character really easy to get

[graceful marsh]

Ah yes

Water + Water = 0001

[sonic heart]

U+0001 + Unicode =

[echo wasp]

Fire + Water = 10ffff

[abstract marsh]

Shit, i would be spamming 500+ tools with random element

[trim pond]

unicode + 18000 = U+18000

[echo wasp]

10ffff + Wind = 0000

[sonic heart]

real

[abstract marsh]

stop daydreaming guys

[echo wasp]

0000 + Cjk Ideographs Extension H = 31300

[trim pond]

Water + Earth = -U+0001

cursed new character

[echo wasp]

negative unicodes

[sonic heart]

language tag + unicode = E0001

[neat haven]

horse walks in

[tepid blaze]

i mean water is good for getting some random unicode character (when combined with U+ )

[abstract marsh]

oki

[heady escarp]

horse eats a burrito

[sonic heart]

quit horsin around

[neat haven]

whatthehell.jpg

[graceful marsh]

Could we stop writing fanfiction

[echo wasp]

now just need to figure out 0001! (totally very easy)

[abstract marsh]

is this even reality

[graceful marsh]

Or is this just fantasy

[sonic heart]

is 0001 in any elements

that have been found normally

[echo wasp]

~~yes, but ~~
no

[neat haven]

or is it

[sonic heart]

alright have fun trying random mojibakes

[echo wasp]

0001 isn't mojibake so it won't even work

[sonic heart]

ah lol

alright have fun trying random mojibakes

[echo wasp]

we basically have like no strat lol

[trim pond]

I was thinking of some linux commands to display raw contents of a file

[sonic heart]

U+0000 + Next Codepoint

[trim pond]

to get U+000x

[neat haven]

Start Of Heading Unicode

[echo wasp]

surely that'll work

[sonic heart]

what if we did @ everyone to see if someone has 0001

[lethal nymph]

i don't think that will work (it's literally called cat)

[echo wasp]

what if we @ neal to get the recipe

[sonic heart]

yes

[lethal nymph]

i mean we did that

on twitter

[trim pond]

octal dump, etc

[lethal nymph]

he has not responded

[echo wasp]

he's a busy man

[trim pond]

i mean octal dump doesn't display the chars

[sonic heart]

someone needs to hack into neal's pc

[trim pond]

but I think there are commands for that. I jsut don't remember

[lethal nymph]

try hexdump

[trim pond]

oh yeah sry i meant hexdump

i already tried with this

[sonic heart]

wtf

[lethal nymph]

not quite

[sonic heart]

i dont understand how someone can even get these

[trim pond]

"hi mr. " strat

[sonic heart]

try is with 0001 👍

[lethal nymph]

!

[abstract marsh]

heh...

[echo wasp]

!

[echo wasp]

he posted recipe for that somewhere

[trim pond]

oh you meant this

xd

rubiks posted a simpler recipe for that

[sonic heart]

whats glowytime doing

[abstract marsh]

checking what is 013D

[heady escarp]

real

[sonic heart]

but why

[abstract marsh]

i wonder

[sonic heart]

oh lol

[echo wasp]

0006 (character) + Hexdump -c = 00000000 00 00 00 0

[trim pond]

wow you made that fast

i think we'd need like altered versions of that

because this one doesn't do much

[lethal nymph]

incredible

[echo wasp]

it's technically correct

[graceful marsh]

What

[abstract marsh]

what am i doing

[echo wasp]

u still trying for 009c/9d?

[trim pond]

not really

[lethal nymph]

would it be legal if we revived dead control stuff using controls then extract them out

[echo wasp]

yes

[trim pond]

why wouldn't it?

or do you mean using U+000x controls to revive U+009x controls?

[lethal nymph]

i mean using c0 to revive c0 containg elements

(not like we have any anyway)

[trim pond]

or what about this

could trick the ai somehow

[regal fulcrum]

Someone got all the Cjk Ideographs Exention _ recipes?

A-Z

i still dont have those and since im doing a deep dive on CJK

it'd be appreciated

[graceful marsh]

I don't think silly buggery will get us 0001

[graceful marsh]

#1206592567622373446 message

[graceful marsh]

Whatever it is can't be that simple

Well, "simple"

[abstract marsh]

i think i went the wrong way

[graceful marsh]

Can't be that... sideways might be a better phrasing

[echo wasp]

give it a shot

[trim pond]

the problem is that I don't even know what to combine that stuff with

[echo wasp]

anyone got any ideas for him

[graceful marsh]

Hexdump wouldn't even dump the character anyway

[trim pond]

i know

[echo wasp]

well we really dont have much to work with

[lethal nymph]

\u000x got pranked by the display chars

maybe \x0x will do better

[echo wasp]

perhaps

[heady escarp]

u guys havent tried stuff like <control-001A> yet

or have u

vsauce music

[trim pond]

did you try that?

[heady escarp]

no

[regal fulcrum]

time to play around

[lethal nymph]

it doesn't get iy

[regal fulcrum]

already

[graceful marsh]

Do we try \u{1} at this rate?

[lethal nymph]

for a year i didn't know that syntax existed

incredible

[graceful marsh]

What, after birth?

[regal fulcrum]

silly ai

How do you get Mr. Seq.

i have

[lethal nymph]

damn i have fd on Mr. Seq that's crazy

[regal fulcrum]

goat

[tepid blaze]

yay

[graceful marsh]

Oh shut up

[regal fulcrum]

what the FUCK

[tepid blaze]

water tend to give a lot of random unicode

[lethal nymph]

Nothing is also decent i guess

[graceful marsh]

Y'know that's valid

I should get nothing on the new save

[lethal nymph]

the gun was a bit too powerful

[abstract marsh]

still much better than nothing

[graceful marsh]

It killed 1/3rd of my elements

And my eardrums

[tepid blaze]

all i got with water for the moment (not only single unicode)

[lethal nymph]

Ƿater

[regal fulcrum]

can i hab lineage to Mr. Seq. pwease 🥺

https://tenor.com/view/anime-girl-pwease-please-begging-gif-17364208

[lethal nymph]

skill issue

[graceful marsh]

nothing + U+10e2 = 𐂂
Incredible

Wait what

[regal fulcrum]

are yall trying to get Control Characters

[graceful marsh]

Specifically 0001

[echo wasp]

once we get that its an automatic 8 new chars

[regal fulcrum]

i dont want to feel bad spamming neal

but it'd be nice to know

i kinda wanna try getting control characters but im not good

at the video game

[abstract marsh]

is this video game?

[regal fulcrum]

yes

even the AI is telling me not to

[graceful marsh]

It even has a video game emoji

Very nice

[regal fulcrum]

whats the goal here

like how do you wanna get CCs

imma try through boring ways but no way this is gonna work

i really wanna help

[lethal nymph]

why does it have a skin tone emoji

[regal fulcrum]

LMAO

i am losing my fucking mind

im struggling to make the easiest shit ever

[echo wasp]

theres a sheet for contros

[regal fulcrum]

?

[abstract marsh]

Fk + Guj = Fucking Gujarati

[tepid blaze]

#1206592567622373446 message (sry for the ping)

[regal fulcrum]

are you fucking serious

god have mercy

[abstract marsh]

control doesnt want to get exposeed yet

[regal fulcrum]

help me

[echo wasp]

oh getting control character is most probably not gonna work

[graceful marsh]

At this point we don't know if anything will work

[echo wasp]

if someone does get c0s, it's a huge accomplishment

ok wait why am I even saying that im sure everyone would know that

[graceful marsh]

How the fuck did I not realise Chara was short for Character until now

[raven ruin]

LOL

[graceful marsh]

This is how I realised

[lethal nymph]

no way we got .

[raven ruin]

.

period?

WaIT

[echo wasp]

lmao

[raven ruin]

WUT

there's no way that's period

[echo wasp]

wait 94 hasn't been found yet

[lethal nymph]

someone is being pranked

[echo wasp]

lol

[regal fulcrum]

#1206592567622373446 message

what the fuck is the entry point

[lethal nymph]

are we gonna host the olympics on my message

[echo wasp]

uh it's in the replt

reply

[raven ruin]

recipe

[echo wasp]

extract 0094 from that

[lethal nymph]

yea i'm trying to

[raven ruin]

what's the ". recipe

[trim pond]

guys I think something is wrong with my browser

[raven ruin]

huh

[lethal nymph]

at least the emojis are correct

[regal fulcrum]

this requires another control character

[trim pond]

even the resulting emoji

[graceful marsh]

This is a mess

[echo wasp]

someone's getting pranked

[regal fulcrum]

oh nbm

im stupid

[raven ruin]

maybe that's the wrong < character

gib lineage

[regal fulcrum]

my ass is not doing allat

[spice lark]

ive thought about trying to help out with unicode before but every time i come here i have no idea what the fuck is going on

[echo wasp]

youre like not gonna survive

it has controls in it

[raven ruin]

just gimme

[regal fulcrum]

dw i can explain

[raven ruin]

infinibrowser linegae lol

[regal fulcrum]

atm we're trying to get some supposedly normally impossible characters

[raven ruin]

lineage