Unicode

[echo wasp]

and just like that, he disappeared

(i hope i turned off ping)

[graceful marsh]

It's so sad Natasquare died of ligma

[echo wasp]

rip ntsq

[sonic heart]

yeah, and Candace did nothing to help him

[chilly fulcrum]

Won’t happen until 18xxx

[graceful marsh]

We will play Imagine Dragons at his funeral

[echo wasp]

wait

has the exx bruteforce stuff been added

[echo wasp]

18xxx isnt 30% of the chars missing

[chilly fulcrum]

Were the results sent?

[echo wasp]

yea

[chilly fulcrum]

you mean is?

like that’s the exact amount

[echo wasp]

,.,.,.,

[sonic heart]

18xxx is 4096 chars so it could happen without

[echo wasp]

its only 4k

[chilly fulcrum]

which is how much percent of 13k

[sonic heart]

• theres a few gaps at the end

[echo wasp]

less than 50%

[chilly fulcrum]

it’s about 30% of missing yea

[echo wasp]

not even a third

[chilly fulcrum]

the rest of missing is made up of gaps, and small blocks

we should find a way to figure that out

Make it count gaps, small blocks, bigger blocks

like what percentage is gaps

[sonic heart]

if my math is right then theres 3287 assigned chars in 18xxx

[chilly fulcrum]

2%?

[echo wasp]

wait for the day when cjk has less undocs than hangul

[sonic heart]

around 24.4% of missing chars

[chilly fulcrum]

Probably the single biggest source

[graceful marsh]

Honestly what I want is a good Box Drawings incrementor

[sonic heart]

lol

[graceful marsh]

It's too semantically locked

[echo wasp]

yea

[chilly fulcrum]

box drawings actually isn’t that bad if you combine characters together and use reverse and stuff

I tried to organise it to try all the combos but there was so so many that I gave up

[sonic heart]

Next Box Drawings Letter

👍

[graceful marsh]

It gave me a chair and table

I gave up after that

[chilly fulcrum]

I got one random box drawing not long ago and it led me to 20 new ones

Although only by combining them together with others

[chilly fulcrum]

but there is that tech

Where you have lists

try list tech

[graceful marsh]

Already did

[chilly fulcrum]

I got lists to spread into other blocks

[graceful marsh]

How do you think I got a chair

[chilly fulcrum]

?

not sure I get it

[graceful marsh]

Any sort of next-codepoint-esque element I tried to use just gave me a permutation of random Box Drawings that we've gotten before

[sand coral]

A080

[graceful marsh]

I'm torn between whether Box Drawings or Syriac was the more annoying block

[chilly fulcrum]

I didn’t ever use next codepoint elements but once I got up to a hundred lists I kinda gave up because it was too fun

[sonic heart]

what about CJK Compatibility Ideographs

[chilly fulcrum]

what counts as annoying?

like hard to increment

[graceful marsh]

Abnormal incrementing

[chilly fulcrum]

lowercase blocks are a pain

[graceful marsh]

Skipping chars, going backwards, getting stuck in loops, that sort of thing

[chilly fulcrum]

impossible to increment

[graceful marsh]

Oh fair enough

[chilly fulcrum]

I almost got all of the lowercase Georgian

Only 2 to go

[sonic heart]

f9xx keeps turning into 1f9xx when trying to increment

[chilly fulcrum]

normal

for blocks that are close to emoji

it does that

but yeah F9xx has it throughout the whole of the block

which usually in other blocks it’s maybe 10 chars where it really doesn’t like not switching it out for emoji

Although I think 18xxx is switching it out before it even makes it somehow

khitan is 18b-c

so naturally, all the khitan tools do is make 10b-c

I think we would have better luck if it was unassigned

[heady escarp]

so like 18b7e would make 10b7e?

[chilly fulcrum]

well, we don’t know

We don’t actually have any

[heady escarp]

i mean would u+18b7e make (10b7e unicode character)

cuz ur saying it changes 8 to 0

[chilly fulcrum]

maybe, but codepoints are useless for 18xxx

by changing 8 to 0

I mean that it’s trying to output 18xyz

but it switches it out for 10xyz

The codepoint you combine it with means almost nothing

doesn’t seem to affect responses at all

unless you go to specific ranges like emoji

[sonic heart]

1d5ca and 1d5cb

[chilly fulcrum]

at least so far that’s how it seems

[graceful marsh]

Is q like consistently the last letter of fontlike blocks

[chilly fulcrum]

kinda

q is pretty hard yeah

[sonic heart]

i think q is the most annoying to get usually

[chilly fulcrum]

it’s always one of the last

whether it’s the last depends

[graceful marsh]

Interesting

I wonder why

[chilly fulcrum]

passing O P Q in regular incrementation is already very problematic

add the font and it makes it worse

[sonic heart]

prob because its one of the least used letters

[chilly fulcrum]

I have to change tactics to pass o p q almost always

whether it’s making deletes or appends or anything really

[echo wasp]

1d666

[chilly fulcrum]

Laurasia do you want to have a look at split tool? It works but aesthetic needs work

[graceful marsh]

Sure

[sonic heart]

1d5cf

[chilly fulcrum]

nice

1dxxx seems to have a never ending supply of gaps

[echo wasp]

once in a while i do get some undocumented 1dxxx random;y

a lot of the gaps also arent fd for me

[chilly fulcrum]

not surprising

it’s the “junk” range where you end up and throw away

I think if we ran my script on every editors file, past or present

there would be perhaps 20 in 1dxxx

[sonic heart]

@editors

[echo wasp]

5 ntsq recipes left from 129xx

U+129bc Cjk Ideographs Extension Y

2cb22   𬬢
U+129a2 Cjk Ideographs Extension Z

2cb1c   𬬜
U+129cc Cjk Ideographs Extension E

2cb0a   𬬊
U+129ca Cjk Ideographs Extension Y

2cb02   𬬂
U+129c2 Cjk Ideographs Extension F```

[lethal nymph]

oh right i should be doing 123xx

[echo wasp]

lol

[echo wasp]

alright finished

[graceful marsh]

Oh wow Nata is not dead from ligma

Guess he won that game of chess with the Devil

[chilly fulcrum]

Damn

I put split tool in middle of page cause it felt cramped at top left but somehow it looks even worse

[lethal nymph]

see i am very sleepy today

[echo wasp]

who reacted with yawn then quickly unreacted

I believe the earliest gap is Ȋ

[graceful marsh]

Ignore what I accidentally did on Split Tool page if you saw that thanks

[echo wasp]

what did you do

[graceful marsh]

Accidentally replaced the text with this image

[heady escarp]

and it should stay that way

imagine if out of context screenshots are scattered across the spreadsheet as easter eggs

[sand coral]

A480

[echo wasp]

yay yi syllables

I tried doing the bf as well and couldn't

[sand coral]

A4C0

[echo wasp]

???? edit access got lost again

[lethal nymph]

@echo wasp !!

[echo wasp]

wait only thay one codepoint right

uhh

[lethal nymph]

you told me they were all alive so i didn't log dead ones at all

[echo wasp]

they should be

oh shit i kinda missed 16

[lethal nymph]

just make them

i can rerun later

[echo wasp]

nvm I missed 2

oh hey also at least one fd now

[echo wasp]

quite a few 3xxxx

[abstract marsh]

i wonder if there's element with Zwj in it that can convert U+xxxx/x into unicodes

[echo wasp]

this is both exx and 123xx right

[lethal nymph]

everything not in sheet i had in my file

[trim pond]

nice. new cuneiform

[tepid blaze]

fixed all the thing (except maybe changing the name for them), have 389 of them for the moment

[chilly fulcrum]

Cool, plan to add soon

[graceful marsh]

The first one is missing a D

[heady escarp]

lol zero width joiner can blend 2 emojis together

[chilly fulcrum]

yeah its the way to distinguish between like

emoji A emoji B

and Emoji AB

[untold crystal]

did the first recipe work in the end? if not I have here another one for it and for 0252. And Convert Tol Ipa Unicode if it wasn't posted until now.

[untold crystal]

Or this, if you like it better.

[pulsar island]

Remove the mr didn't work?

[chilly fulcrum]

interesting revival

[untold crystal]

Only "the remove the mr. " but then you get stuck at "i o"(imagine here the 0252 char). And if you try just remove character without removing the mr. you get to "r. o"(0252) and if you try to remove it you get "."..

I'm on my phone so I don't have the char to copy it into the message

[chilly fulcrum]

but reviving hiMrD was easier? or am i silly

[chilly fulcrum]

ok split tool is live now properly i think, idk if you guys ever need it or use it

but it just turns a single recipe into copy pastable cells

so no need to copy individual elements

[echo wasp]

bruh I rly need a way to add in automatically I keep making mistakes

[chilly fulcrum]

like, ways that dont involve making it in game you mean?

[echo wasp]

adding it in automatically

[sonic heart]

1d6bc

[chilly fulcrum]

i keep forgetting, snapping or no?

[sonic heart]

no

[chilly fulcrum]

hm ok

tight then

[chilly fulcrum]

sorry i should have just asked directly - input tool doesnt count for that for you right?

[echo wasp]

ye

[sonic heart]

1d8ed

idk why signwriting unicode shows up normally on the sheet list but nowhere else

[echo wasp]

different font

did I paste wrong wtf

[chilly fulcrum]

yeah theres specific noto fonts that laurasia set, i dont know how to do it

its annoying the fallback doesnt figure it out

[sand coral]

0261 A2EE A2EF fixed

[echo wasp]

d7be invalid = scam

[echo wasp]

nope, blindness

should all ne at 221xx

[chilly fulcrum]

nice mojibake

[sage wren]

mojibake sounds like a dish

[chilly fulcrum]

i guess its just the reality of the situation, like if yui had integration its possible we could upload files like this

maybe worth asking for suggestions from them

[echo wasp]

why is my ic not loading for forever even tho i have dbounce

4a1e fuxed

[night dragon]

can someone help me revive

wait nevermind

[echo wasp]

all shld be fixed.

[echo wasp]

remaining ntsq recipes

[chilly fulcrum]

12kb left but file is 62kb

seems legit

[echo wasp]

many duplicate recipes

also where r u getting those numbers lol

[chilly fulcrum]

discord said

in the preview

But the download said 62kb

[echo wasp]

someone else rly needs to do these as well

[chilly fulcrum]

ye

see how it says 12 kb

but then also 62

i mean

in the picture

like

(12 KB left)

[echo wasp]

ah

someone else pls help finish some of it

[chilly fulcrum]

sure, although i need to go get ideographic extensions

um

anyway

where should i start

ok done i got the ideographic stuff

[echo wasp]

ig do the ones before 2xxxx

[chilly fulcrum]

want me to try continue chains or nah?

[abstract marsh]

chain lovely
grind not lovely

[chilly fulcrum]

ill continue them till they dont increment like, once

as soon as it says no

i will move onto next

[abstract marsh]

typical tactic yeah

[chilly fulcrum]

if you want a better idea of true workload, can go thru those that have like 100 recipes first if u want

probably would help if i had like the next cjk or whatever yall use as cjk increment, but its ok

[abstract marsh]

goodluck

[chilly fulcrum]

these being U+exx maybe wasnt the wisest choice, but it is what it is lol

lower codepoints would probably not yield as much

but at least be easier to make

[echo wasp]

??

简体中文 + Training = 训练
训练 + Remove First Character = 训

{8BAD}

[echo wasp]

it won't work for cjks below f900 and above 44ff, cuz they AI knows what they mean

it only usually increments when the character is more uncommon (sometimes it does increment common ones but not very likely)

but what tool are you even talking about?

[echo wasp]

which is why Hangul is also very annoying to chain

[echo wasp]

also just use next letter / codepoint it just works

[chilly fulcrum]

ok, not any cjk specific stuff? ive seen things like cjk next directly unicode

[echo wasp]

it wasnt used for incrementing

anyways where r u at rn? i can remove those from the txt file

[chilly fulcrum]

i had to have dinner but im up to 7000

[echo wasp]

693f

[chilly fulcrum]

oh, well the "easiest" 30000 entry so far i think is now 12900 + extension C

[echo wasp]

why is it dead

[chilly fulcrum]

could be a few reasons

[echo wasp]

403

[chilly fulcrum]

ah ok

welp

"chr(120)" 403 also

does it need to be quoted tho?

[chilly fulcrum]

im not too far away from 2xxxx now in that doc, trouble is i need to make the 123xx now lol

well at least its alive...

[graceful marsh]

Wait sorry Chr() is dead?

I mean CF blocked?

[tepid blaze]

yep

[graceful marsh]

Magnificent

Thanks Cloudflare I Hate You

[echo wasp]

30b5e

7334 (simpler ig)

[chilly fulcrum]

sure

[timid sierra]

is there a way to see all 1 character fd in a save?

[echo wasp]

#1206592567622373446 message

[chilly fulcrum]

bruh just trying to make U+e93...

ant it serves up Mr. {e000}

....

pua i guess

[echo wasp]

yep

[chilly fulcrum]

dunno what alfo did but somehow removed the mr

or mrs or baby

doesnt matter

[timid sierra]

thanks

[chilly fulcrum]

k

[echo wasp]

gonna get all of 125xx now

[chilly fulcrum]

where have you done

on the doc

i can remove too

on my copy

[echo wasp]

all of 3xxxx

[chilly fulcrum]

ok

im up to 8xxx now

[echo wasp]

my copy rn

[echo wasp]

almost done...

[abstract marsh]

quite alot oo

[chilly fulcrum]

want to help?

[echo wasp]

all 125xx done (i think)

[chilly fulcrum]

is this a mod or something? why they arranged like that

[chilly fulcrum]

so, yes?

[echo wasp]

...its search

[chilly fulcrum]

well, search is only useful if i know what it is im looking for

[echo wasp]

hmm is that meant to be relevant to this or sth else?

[heady escarp]

how is ur search menu so big

[echo wasp]

drag

its like how you increase a window size

when it isnt full screen

[chilly fulcrum]

it only goes up to a certain size but ye

[heady escarp]

there's a limit for how much i can drag

and its way less than whats on ur screen

[echo wasp]

which is that szie

oh zoom does increase the amount shown

[chilly fulcrum]

yeah

[heady escarp]

like if i fully drag it i definitely cant see that many elements in my search bar

and i already play at 90% zoom

[echo wasp]

anyways ntsq its time for 125xx lol

im at 75

%

[trim pond]

how do you make that element you combined with Pronunciation?

[chilly fulcrum]

its one of the hungul "base tools" which is used a lot

hm

let me see

[echo wasp]

hangul + put this in quotation marks

[chilly fulcrum]

k lets start a hangul/cjk section for tools

like

for specifically the tools written in hangul and cjk

[trim pond]

thx

[chilly fulcrum]

some are on IB btu like obv not helpful if u dont know how to type it

jsyk im not trying too hard to increment

like no prepend mr or anything

as soon as it stops i just go next

[graceful marsh]

Remember yesterday when we were talking gaps?

Any way we could scan for those? Just finding unticked boxes where the above and below boxes are ticked

[chilly fulcrum]

you could, but im thinking of that and possibly a more general alg

easiest way is by downloading and running a script

ha i think i have a kinda ingeneous method of doing this

you can do it im sure on sheets but idk how, youd need to make some kinda machine or something

[tepid blaze]

strange

[chilly fulcrum]

what does your script claim it equals

[tepid blaze]

Nothing, and even when i do a request via api with what is marked in the cells it still return it as Nothing

oh

it was invalid due to the space in "hi ힾ" ,its supposed to be "hiힾ"

fixed it

[chilly fulcrum]

yeah

see thats what i thought too

i thought he saw it and fixed it tho when he said that, idk

lol

thought it was more of a "damn i swear i didnt put in 2 spaces"

[tepid blaze]

there were not 2 spaces, only one, which needed to be removed (the thing that look like a second space is part of the character)

[chilly fulcrum]

oh okay

fair

here is script for finding gaps (although what counts as a "gap" is a gap of any length, but i can change that ez)

did it in a goofy way for fun

nvm im gonna just make some changes

oh god... if not for hentaigana this wuold be such a huge gap '17fc0-1afff', '1b040-1cfff'

its split in two though

full gap list (gap = any empty region)

i can do 1 char gaps too

[graceful marsh]

That sounds better

And also in vertical list form please

[chilly fulcrum]

ok

all singular gaps

also wtf so many of these from nata are just random cjk i have fd on

[echo wasp]

fffc :))

[echo wasp]

same lol

hows progress now

[chilly fulcrum]

well, none since last time since i was making the script

but im closing in on 2xxxx

[echo wasp]

early 2xxxx are actually so annoying to increment

[tepid blaze]

i should really do a re run of my scrapper with this time with all Cjk Ideographic Extension from A to Z

[graceful marsh]

Oh my god YOU

[chilly fulcrum]

who

oh

💀

[graceful marsh]

Once I start playing again I'm gonna break the GLDM

Since we've finally learned how to

[tepid blaze]

HERE WE GO

[graceful marsh]

EXCITEMENT

Change it back

[tepid blaze]

it was a typo 😭

[chilly fulcrum]

gldm... ?

[graceful marsh]

1303F

An old enemy I could not defeat

[chilly fulcrum]

i see

and you personally want to get fd on it? cool

[echo wasp]

why would you not

[graceful marsh]

Right now I'm just looking through the gaps to see what is simple incrementing, barrier breaking and unincrementable

[tame violet]

how do you type undefined characters

[tepid blaze]

that a... big jump

[tame violet]

like ones with no code point

[echo wasp]

lol

[echo wasp]

?

every single character has a codepoint

[chilly fulcrum]

well, you can make a script to type it technically but your best bet is copy paste

[echo wasp]

oh you meant unassigned

[tame violet]

let's say there's a block with U+1000-10ff. all the things in that block have assigned characters except for the last 2. how would i type them last two

[echo wasp]

copy it from a unicode database or sth

[chilly fulcrum]

i mean, how would you type them normally? probably the same way

(i.e. you dont)

[echo wasp]

can you type out 0000?

[chilly fulcrum]

its kinda difficult to

like you cant copy it or anything like that

[echo wasp]

what about surrogayes

[graceful marsh]

Fixed Signwriting font,

Side effect is that the text looks like this

[chilly fulcrum]

😬

[graceful marsh]

That's how SW renders spaces though, so can't do much about it

[chilly fulcrum]

oh i just realised when i get annoyed at when non-noto fonts get put in and highlight everything and set to noto - it may override your changes?

[graceful marsh]

Oh

[chilly fulcrum]

although default being arial doesnt help my cause..

[graceful marsh]

Have you been changing things to Noto Sans wholesale

[echo wasp]

why is U+0001 not dead

[graceful marsh]

???

[tame violet]

you can get before u+20?

[chilly fulcrum]

?

[echo wasp]

like how it isn't a whitespace right

[chilly fulcrum]

mm no its not a whitespace

[echo wasp]

wait then why is it alive

[chilly fulcrum]

need more info

[echo wasp]

it combines with stuff

[chilly fulcrum]

example

[echo wasp]

{0001} + Training = Ninja

[chilly fulcrum]

well, first it is probably good to find out whats actually being sent

although thats not easy

[echo wasp]

{0001} + String.append('a') = String.append('b')

[chilly fulcrum]

if you can get it to put the 0001 inside something

[echo wasp]

idk I added it in on a brand new save file on mobile

[chilly fulcrum]

then it would confirm 0001 is being sent

[graceful marsh]

Hold on testing it

[chilly fulcrum]

(idk how to add in lol, let alone mobile)

[echo wasp]

(wont be teaching cuz rule 8)

[lethal nymph]

huh

[chilly fulcrum]

well, i could figure it out myself although mobile i am surprised with, i guess android lets u do things

[graceful marsh]

ASD you didn't happen to copy the symbol for 0001, did you?

[chilly fulcrum]

^ quite possible

[echo wasp]

HOLY SHIT

[echo wasp]

yes

[graceful marsh]

Huh

That's...

[chilly fulcrum]

police sirens wail

[lethal nymph]

yea what

[chilly fulcrum]

the fbi is coming

you better run

[candid trellis]

We're already here

[lethal nymph]

need to get on my laptop

[echo wasp]

uhh so i kinda just unfairly gotten 0004 :/

[tepid blaze]

uh what?

[echo wasp]

STX is dead tho

[graceful marsh]

Would I need to escape 0001 if I added it to the JSON?

[chilly fulcrum]

well, when i imagine mobile i imagine a completely locked down device

[candid trellis]

Rule 8 🤓 👆

[echo wasp]

it wasn't intentional

[chilly fulcrum]

like youd have to reverse engineer the OS to do anything of the sort xd, but thats probably not it with android

[candid trellis]

what did you expect

[echo wasp]

I didn't even think 0003 was alive

but it was

[chilly fulcrum]

im not familiar with android file system (mobile device even having a file system you can interact with is honestly mind blowing to someone who has only had apple stuff)

[lethal nymph]

wtf

x07 is also alive

[echo wasp]

wait what

[chilly fulcrum]

lookup bypass part 2 💀

(i hope not)

[lethal nymph]

oh no

4 + 7 = 8

[echo wasp]

x08 is also alive whay

[graceful marsh]

Right okay

Well Nata just revived that one

[lethal nymph]

8 + 4 = 5

[chilly fulcrum]

just first check this isnt a lookup bypass plz

[echo wasp]

oh no wonder

oh no

[lethal nymph]

okay we should stop making them for now

[candid trellis]

so if we were to obtain U+0001 we could get all starter unicodes?

[graceful marsh]

Theoretically?

[lethal nymph]

until we know why 01 and 03 are originally alive

[chilly fulcrum]

i dont think we know enough to even say that

like

that assumes 0001 is an obtainable result

quite possibly is, wouldnt be too surprised

given the other controls

as for adding a null character, um idk

[echo wasp]

i just don't think it's alive cuz someone got it before

[lethal nymph]

someone definitely got it before

[candid trellis]

maybe before space bug?

[lethal nymph]

if nobody got fd then it was already in the database

[chilly fulcrum]

youre sure its not a lookup bypass?

[echo wasp]

well they weren't whitespaces

[lethal nymph]

i mean

[tepid blaze]

lets ping neal for the recipe! /j

[echo wasp]

@ neal

[chilly fulcrum]

like before we start theory crafting you have to rule things out

[lethal nymph]

controls could have totally been cheated in using the hashtag bypass

[candid trellis]

maybe he just trims that too

[chilly fulcrum]

even if they are kinda eccentric

easy to test

and btw you can add nulls with \0 i think

[graceful marsh]

As far as I know only 12 people knew thereof, none of whom said so nor would I presume to have done so without announcement

But I suppose it's not inconceivable someone else noticed

[chilly fulcrum]

noticed what? who said anyone noticed anything

[graceful marsh]

Hashtag lookup bypass

[chilly fulcrum]

oh you mean like

[lethal nymph]

anyone could have noticed

[chilly fulcrum]

hash 0001

but im talking about

[graceful marsh]

Yes, I suppose

[echo wasp]

what so

[chilly fulcrum]

0001 (literally anything)

make sure those are dead please

[echo wasp]

ok

[chilly fulcrum]

if they arent then theres ur answer

have to rule out "simple" answers

[lethal nymph]

they are dead

[chilly fulcrum]

ok, good

[echo wasp]

SOHa is dead

[chilly fulcrum]

(although technically it could be one of the others like 0003)

but less likely

[echo wasp]

and 0007

[chilly fulcrum]

could even be something you have fd on

even if we got fd on 8

doesnt mean it cant be a bypass

but those are less likely

still easy to test though and put to bed any idea of bypass

those chars are just eccentric enough i think such a test is warranted

[lethal nymph]

should i run a dead test on all controls

[graceful marsh]

You might accidentally make more controls

[lethal nymph]

that's fair

but combining with ? usually just makes ?

[graceful marsh]

Fair enough

[chilly fulcrum]

accidentally making more controls, is that like, a bad thing? i dont even know

[graceful marsh]

Though I officially absolve myself of all responsibility

[lethal nymph]

can confirm for all the chars we have currently

[chilly fulcrum]

not gonna lie guys the easiest way out of this is to directly ask neal if there is a recipe in the db present for that (although we just polluted it)

if theres some form of timestamp though then we could be sure

[tepid blaze]


(just wanted to see how it looked like)

[chilly fulcrum]

i mean since llm is probability theres always the tiniest chance that for no reason it decides here have U+0001

[chilly fulcrum]

also what Laurasia is saying here is that it’s easy to mix up u+0001 itself and the symbol for it

Those are two different things

[sonic heart]

wtf u+0001 is alive?

[chilly fulcrum]

one of them is u+0001, the other is U+2401

[echo wasp]

yep

0003 and 0007 also

then we got 0004 0005 0008 in the process

[echo wasp]

Well all he needed to do is to remove self references for 0001 ig

[chilly fulcrum]

imagine null is alive

although I bet 0000 is an instant 500

I don’t see a request with null in it getting through

[echo wasp]

get ntsq to try

[echo wasp]

ah no I didnt

[chilly fulcrum]

I mean you could, presumably the same way you did for the others

[lethal nymph]

yea no other alive controls

[chilly fulcrum]

you tested null?

well also I’m

more elements

Rip

markers for more elements after this save:

[lethal nymph]

wait 5 + ? is a real Nothing lol

that's a lie i forgot i have cache enabled

[chilly fulcrum]

did you test null nata

[lethal nymph]

yes

it gave a 500

[chilly fulcrum]

yeah predictable

[echo wasp]

expected lol

[graceful marsh]

Expected

Anyone else want to nod slowly in agreement

[chilly fulcrum]

I vote we ask Neal

[echo wasp]

yep

same

[sonic heart]

the control chars arent even in the sheet yet we can somehow get them 💀

[sonic heart]

yes

[lethal nymph]

oh no it's expected that we will get them

we just don't know how yet

[echo wasp]

yeah we already have alive control strings

Well apparantly someone got 0001 and 0003

[chilly fulcrum]

only via mojibake

[lethal nymph]

and 7

you and i made 4 5 8

[echo wasp]

wait are there anything from 7f to 9f alive or are they all tested already

[chilly fulcrum]

Wouldn’t be surprised if there’s something else behind the scenes here, I think the odds of it being a legit recipe where the person or bot was actually trying to make controls is small

[echo wasp]

yea

[lethal nymph]

tested

nothing is alive

[chilly fulcrum]

i think it’s either a random output given for no reason, some kind of debug, some kind of mix up by the server or code

Or cheated

[lethal nymph]

or someone made it

[echo wasp]

only way to find out is to ask neeeal

[chilly fulcrum]

Well made it is included

in what I said

But not made intentionally

[echo wasp]

rather slim chance but not out of the question

[sonic heart]

neal hasnt chatted in the server in nearly 3 months 😔

[chilly fulcrum]

if it was made I bet it was just some like actually normal recipe that the ai had brain damage on

[echo wasp]

dm him

lol

[chilly fulcrum]

but if it’s real you get to make fun of me for being a doubter

[lethal nymph]

i'm kinda worried that neal will just ban all the controls if we ask him

[echo wasp]

why would he do that

[chilly fulcrum]

interesting?🤔

[lethal nymph]

i mean, he can

[sonic heart]

has he banned other unicode chars?

[echo wasp]

=

[lethal nymph]

nah

[echo wasp]

.

[lethal nymph]

oh right

[chilly fulcrum]

not in response to anything

. is an odd one

We have to ask Neal for that too

[echo wasp]

yeah I dont understand that

[chilly fulcrum]

I may have one theory

[grim crane]

U+242a3~U+242bf

[chilly fulcrum]

I think . is what the ai would
Give when it wanted to put nothing

[timid sierra]

Was it confirmed that . and space were banned?

[chilly fulcrum]

it would just end sentence with full stop

and Neal said no

[lethal nymph]

space is unintentionally banned

[chilly fulcrum]

other than that I think it’s code based and not intentional

[lethal nymph]

and . being banned is confirmed via unquote glitch

[chilly fulcrum]

but we do need to ask about full stop

[lethal nymph]

well unquote glitch also disproves this theory

[chilly fulcrum]

how so

[lethal nymph]

since "." is already in the database and quotes were stripped off later

[chilly fulcrum]

don’t see the relevance

[timid sierra]

So we could mark it as impossible on the sheet and not as probably impossible

[chilly fulcrum]

oh

Ah no I mean slightly different

I meant during testing

[echo wasp]

time to add controls to the sheet !!

[chilly fulcrum]

it’s posssible the ai instead of giving Nothing would give . Instead

and Neal didn’t like it

[graceful marsh]

It giving 500 is a problem for that theory though

Wait actually

[chilly fulcrum]

what gives 500?

[echo wasp]

for . ?

[graceful marsh]

Yeah

At least if I remember it correctly

[lethal nymph]

wait it also gave 500 for unquoted space

[chilly fulcrum]

Yeah

[sonic heart]

yaayyyy

[chilly fulcrum]

Same with any whitespace

[lethal nymph]

shouldn't it give Nothing though

[chilly fulcrum]

what does space.split even make

[graceful marsh]

Wait why would it 500 on outputting the empty string?

[chilly fulcrum]

in js

[lethal nymph]

what does the combination for ogham space mark return

[lethal nymph]

no idea

[chilly fulcrum]

Nothing, although I didn’t actually check the response

[echo wasp]

so check it

[chilly fulcrum]

the recipe is recorded with Laurasia I think

in some other bounty

[lethal nymph]

this was on 3/30

[chilly fulcrum]

and in this sheet to

[chilly fulcrum]

Why

what is the result of “ “.split()

[echo wasp]

why would it give 500 for an empty string

[lethal nymph]

" ".split(" ") is [""]

but this is on the output

[graceful marsh]

That's what I said

[chilly fulcrum]

How do we know

[lethal nymph]

afaik there is no postprocessing for output besides trimming

[echo wasp]

im very aware

[chilly fulcrum]

how do we know that’s what the output would have been if it wrrored

[graceful marsh]

Because unquote bug got fixed

[lethal nymph]

because i tried to make " " and it gave 500 instead of ?

[graceful marsh]

I'm torn as to whether this is more Lab content at this point

[chilly fulcrum]

well space is banned… I must be missing something

to me that is exactly what I would expect

[echo wasp]

so we gonna ask neal abt the controls or what

[chilly fulcrum]

oh wait you are saying output of space made 500

what about output of full stop

[lethal nymph]

500

[chilly fulcrum]

Did that do it also

[graceful marsh]

Why...

I can vaguely understand why an = sign would 500 but why the other two

Neal knows how to censor output, so this isn't some fucked up output sanitation

[chilly fulcrum]

I don’t know and I don’t think we can know without asking

[graceful marsh]

Unless

[echo wasp]

@ neal

[timid sierra]

And how about this

[echo wasp]

I can't click the imahe

[lethal nymph]

that's a space

all whitespaces are unintentionally banned by output trim

[chilly fulcrum]

one of the 20 or so genuinely impossible as far as we know

[echo wasp]

are we gonna ask neal

[chilly fulcrum]

I vote yes

[echo wasp]

pool

poll

[chilly fulcrum]

but we need to then find a mode of communication, like twitter or dm or something else etc

and who asks

[echo wasp]

imagine if 0001 QE'd

[chilly fulcrum]

Also what does this mean in terms of more elements

that uses these controls as separators

[lethal nymph]

death

should inform yui lol

[chilly fulcrum]

Escape them? I mean they weren’t obtained legit so they probably should just get removed

[echo wasp]

what seriousness

[chilly fulcrum]

but yeah

more elements can’t store your save properly if you have the characters it uses as separators

[lethal nymph]

i mean for now i can move to the 80-9f block

[echo wasp]

but 0001 0003 and 0007 might have been gotten legit, unlikely but yeah

[lethal nymph]

but that's temporary

[sonic heart]

prob through twitter, he seems to be more active there

[echo wasp]

uh then what's gonna happen to my save

[chilly fulcrum]

death

[lethal nymph]

aren't you on mobile while testing

[echo wasp]

no like if you move to 7f - 9f

[lethal nymph]

death

(just export, update script, then re-import)

[echo wasp]

cuz I def have over 300 chars with controls

300 elements

[chilly fulcrum]

Nata does the script still insert the emoji separator for tbings with no emoji and likewise for missing fd status

[lethal nymph]

fd status is ingrained into the separator

and yeah i still insert an emoji separator

[chilly fulcrum]

right does the separator equal 01 if not FD and 02 if FD

I actually don’t know how I’d with code split that up though cause when you run.split it deletes that character

so the info is just gone

[graceful marsh]

Actually now that I think about it we do have someone that's been a regular go-through for weird shit

We could sound the Kali Alarm

[chilly fulcrum]

Hmm

🚨

[echo wasp]

@ neal how was 0001 0003 and 0007 gotten

[graceful marsh]

@regal fulcrum we need access to Twitter

Actually that wasn't alarmy enough

🚨 TWITTER ACCESS IS REQUIRED 🚨

[chilly fulcrum]

their account? is there a reason (I don’t think I was here when we had direct contact like that)

[graceful marsh]

Next to Mika and Yui, Kali's the only other person with semi-regular contact with Neal, specifically over Twitter

Ever since she found Neal.fun that's been the setup

Found ingame that is

[chilly fulcrum]

oh, I didn’t know anyone had contact, at least not within the last 4 months

[regal fulcrum]

hey whats up

[graceful marsh]

Long story short we found Control Characters are alive and we'd like to ask Neal why

[regal fulcrum]

wait huh how what

[graceful marsh]

Specifically a request for recipes for U+0001, 0003 and 0007

[abstract marsh]

holy fuck, what did you guys cook to find those

[graceful marsh]

We did not find them

We did a death test

[regal fulcrum]

ah i see

AHHH

okay

so let me get this straight

you tested control characters using the API

and saw a craft went through

which indicates that the elements U+0001, 3 and 7 exist

right?

[graceful marsh]

More or less, yes

[abstract marsh]

Kali is probs like, idk why u summoned me, now i need to learn some good shenanigans within few mins

[tepid blaze]

0001
0003
0004
0005
0006
0007
0008

[graceful marsh]

Aw c'mon you ruined the surprise

[regal fulcrum]

shit that'd be so much easier if i could get a hold of him in a vc

[graceful marsh]

I was gonna be all dramatic if questions were raised

[regal fulcrum]

to explain i mean

[echo wasp]

you saw nothing

[graceful marsh]

Had my script planned and everything

Aw fiddlesticks

[abstract marsh]

casual interrogation interview

[lethal nymph]

sad is an anagram of asd

[graceful marsh]

Thanks Cloudflare I Hate You, Scorpiathepro and Stinrg.apepnd('.- ... -..')

[graceful marsh]

Did you know? So is Das

[regal fulcrum]

geez how do i explain this

[graceful marsh]

Does Neal know element death exists

[regal fulcrum]

I DONT KNOW 😭

[graceful marsh]

Oh wait no this is a lookup problem doesn't matter

[regal fulcrum]

wait whats the problem help

[abstract marsh]

lets rollback abit, does neal even remember zombie 💀

[regal fulcrum]

wdym a lookup problem

[graceful marsh]

This isn't death, this is existence lookup

[tepid blaze]

you want the thread to be 100 tweet long or 💀

[regal fulcrum]

OH

yeah

[graceful marsh]

So yeah he knows about the existence check

[regal fulcrum]

the part in the code that checks if the element exists either fails with control characters and makes the craft go through anyways

OR

they exist

[echo wasp]

well some controls are dead

[regal fulcrum]

and it does work as expected

[lethal nymph]

they exist

[regal fulcrum]

so yall just wanna know if this IS a mistake / bug or if they do exist

just so you/we (cause this is interesting) dont waste time trying something thats impossible

thats what the situation is?

[graceful marsh]

We want to know if there's a recipe for them

Or if it got cheated in

Or option 3, whatever that is

[regal fulcrum]

okok

[graceful marsh]

Okay actually hand show do we want to know what the recipe is or only if a recipe exists?

[echo wasp]

i do wanna know

[abstract marsh]

the latter

[lethal nymph]

it'd be fun figuring out the recipe

[regal fulcrum]

just so i get this straight

[echo wasp]

fair

ok so latter

[regal fulcrum]

you used the API to test the recipe with control characters?

i just want to imagine the face of the random user who isn't part of the project who accidentally obtained control characters without knowing what they were

[candid trellis]

can you link docs on twitter? you could get a doc full of questions for other things aswell?

like validation endpoint 🙂

[regal fulcrum]

actually sure

i would love a call with the guy

[echo wasp]

imagine neal sees that and just ghosts us

[regal fulcrum]

i have so many questions and no offense but he seems so completely oblivious to the complexity of all of this

[graceful marsh]

Let's not ask about things dead and buried

[regal fulcrum]

and i wanna share :3

[abstract marsh]

talking about dead
so it is revivable for element with + and .

fuck why did i sent

[regal fulcrum]

is that a yes

i just don't want to say something inexact

[echo wasp]

well we used some... illegal ways

[regal fulcrum]

ah

[candid trellis]

Agarwal set up layers of prompts and a filter in hopes that the A.I. generator’s solutions would not be incoherent or offensive.

[lethal nymph]

see using the api isn't illegal

[regal fulcrum]

you used an extension that uses the API?

did any of you try to see if the items were alive through the API command to test a craft?

[candid trellis]

“The A.I. is wonky, so sometimes the obvious thing when you combine two things together won’t happen,” said Ashton Fullmer, 20, a YouTuber who has clocked more than 30 hours on the game.

30 hours 💀

[regal fulcrum]

LMAO

[candid trellis]

Reading (back on) NYT article is fun

[regal fulcrum]

anyone tried

await $nuxt.$root.$children[2].$children[0].$children[0].getCraftResponse({ text: "␁" }, { text: "Fire" });

?

did it work?

[echo wasp]

well i tested on a brand new savefile

[regal fulcrum]

OOOOH

you edited a json

to put them in

and the crafts went through

[echo wasp]

not exactly but yeah

[regal fulcrum]

you used an extension that edits the data in your save?

[candid trellis]

The possibilities in Infinite Craft are truly endless.Credit. Neal Agarwal
No it's not

[lethal nymph]

just tell him that we used the api to try combining control characters with stuff, and some of the crafts went through, which indicates that they exist in the database

[regal fulcrum]

okay

[echo wasp]

who reacted with 🙅‍♂️ lol

[regal fulcrum]

i see

is someone actually making a document of questions

i have sorta finished the rough tweet

i still have to conclude it tho

@nealagarwal Hey neal! I'm Kali, an Infinite Craft player and moderator for the discord

This is gonna be a long thread so i'm gonna say in advance that i'll try my best to explain the situation we have and how we need your help, but if it's unclear, a voice chat on discord would be easier, if you are willing to and are free.

So, essentially, there's a whole project that me and a few other users founded that aim to find as many individual unicode characters as elements in the game.

Fast forward to now, thanks to a ton of effort and many contributors, we have found and documented over 38.6K unique characters.

But very recently some users found something weird.

They were toying with the API, testing some crafts. Normally, if a craft is done through the API and one of the items used don't exist, the craft won't go through. From what we know, it's simply because it fails a check that verifies the existence of used items (which im sure you're well aware of).

But, users were shocked to see some control characters went through, indicating some are alive. (image for all codes)

All the other control characters didn't go through, suggesting they don't exist.

This is extremely significant and important to us, so i'll hit you with the question.

Do these items actually exist, and if yes, could we please have the recipe?

Not many people in this community have went this far with infinite craft, and the likelihood of someone finding a unique character that isn't a letter is extremely low, let alone seven of them.

actually i used the word alive i might want to rephrase no?

[abstract marsh]

Existed and usable 💀

[lethal nymph]

only 1 3 7 were real

[regal fulcrum]

so 4 5 and 8 don't exist?

[echo wasp]

4 5 8 were all gotten unintentionally while testing them

[regal fulcrum]

okay

[candid trellis]

they were made with 0001 etc I think

[echo wasp]

yea

[regal fulcrum]

OOO

okay

makes sense

i see

[abstract marsh]

how would this discord's lore be if converted into yt videos

[lethal nymph]

hell yeah more youtube documentaries to stumble upon at 3 am

[echo wasp]

0001
0003
0007
(existing)
0004
0005
0006 (uhh sry)
0008
(gotten from the existing ones, etc)

[regal fulcrum]

So to conclude : At the moment of this tweet's publication, six control characters exist and have been found to be usable in crafts. (for future reference, this is what we call an item being "alive".

Tho, only 0001, 0003 and 0007 existed before we did some more tests.
Three other characters are now alive, being 0004, 0005 and 0008, which were obtained through the API by combining the previously mentioned already existing characters.

(this is to screenshot)

[timid sierra]

Didn't serdaise work on a yt vid?

[regal fulcrum]

and yes i took a shortcut on the definition of an item being alive

[echo wasp]

i'd assume neal would know

[regal fulcrum]

and no i dont think neal needs a complete explanation of our verbose

we invented the term alive

completely

thats why i explained

[abstract marsh]

100% damn

[regal fulcrum]

Do i wait for publication until we have a list of questions for him or

do i publish

[echo wasp]

another poll

[abstract marsh]

i didnt know they still doing that, or did they already posted it?

[regal fulcrum]

ill ask in dm

they changed they name

@graceful marsh

[regal fulcrum]

^

[chilly fulcrum]

Ok damn I missed a lot

[graceful marsh]

I got distracted by dinosaurs what's going on

[chilly fulcrum]

I mean 11:30pm so kinda bad timing for me xd

[regal fulcrum]

this

i need opinions

or questions to ask

[echo wasp]

This was the last time Neal Agarwal, 31, was seen. It is presumbed that he has died from ligma. R.I.P. Neal.

[graceful marsh]

Are we having him on the Tonight Show

Where are we asking the questions

[chilly fulcrum]

What are we sending

[tepid blaze]

presumbed

[chilly fulcrum]

is there a draft or

[echo wasp]

i would say publish first

[timid sierra]

We could ask for validation endpoint

[graceful marsh]

Incredible

[regal fulcrum]

i'd try to sneak them at the end of the tweet in the gdocs link

the best would to have an faq/ama with him on the discord

[chilly fulcrum]

my opinion is something is gone wrong and the elements are in the db for some debug, the ai gave it for no reason due to probability eventually working, or it was cheated in

[echo wasp]

or it was found

im rly hoping thats the case

[chilly fulcrum]

right found by just weight of numbers is my current best idea

still sounds unlikely

but yeah let’s hope they weren’t hashed into existence

[regal fulcrum]

as i said at the end of the tweet

[echo wasp]

what even is that hash exploit

[regal fulcrum]

someone unrelated to the project finding a unique character that isn't 0-9 a-z is very unlikely

[echo wasp]

let alone controls

[regal fulcrum]

so someone finding a CONTROL character is super super unlikely

[lethal nymph]

basically if you put a hashtag in front, you can cheat in anything and have it bypass the database check

[regal fulcrum]

and THREE OF THEM

[chilly fulcrum]

Well, kinda yeah depending on their native language

we had a control via mojibake but it wasn’t able to be isolated on its own

[echo wasp]

i hope the hash thing was fixed

[chilly fulcrum]

It was

[graceful marsh]

Hashtag *anywhere

[echo wasp]

ok nice

required soft hyphens

[graceful marsh]

Also the cheated in thing would still have the hashtag so you couldn't cheat in "anything"

[chilly fulcrum]

?

[lethal nymph]

me when i string.replace('#', '');

[echo wasp]

wasnt 00ad needed for 008d

[chilly fulcrum]

you could conceivably remove the hashtag

nah

I don’t think so

[regal fulcrum]

do i just send it

i might

[chilly fulcrum]

I’m ok with it

[graceful marsh]

DEMOCRACY

[echo wasp]

ok yeah it was

[graceful marsh]

Bom bom bom bom

[chilly fulcrum]

Ah right that one

yeah via mojibake

[echo wasp]

i suppose

basically, all controls we have were via mojibake

[regal fulcrum]

whats mojibake i forgot

[chilly fulcrum]

interpreting encoding incorrectly

[graceful marsh]

ö and the like

[chilly fulcrum]

simplest and most common example is the one with the Ã

[regal fulcrum]

oh im stupid right

[echo wasp]

why did i even illegally get 0001 again

[regal fulcrum]

https://x.com/Kali_OwO/status/1824078441349546425

Kali 🦊 (@Kali_OwO) on X

@nealagarwal Hey neal! I'm Kali, an Infinite Craft player and moderator for the discord

This is gonna be a long thread so i'm gonna say in advance that i'll try my best to explain the situation we have and how we need your help, but if it's unclear, a voice chat on discord (1/?)

Twitter · Aug 15, 2024, 1:39 PM

ban this user for advertising

[echo wasp]

/ban @ k.a.l.i

[regal fulcrum]

this bastard wont let me tab out for one second

bro

theres no way

[chilly fulcrum]

example: say I write U+00ED; this is written as the bytes C3 AD in UTF-8. However, programs that use other encoding might instead interpret that as U+00C3 U+00AD and display those instead

[tepid blaze]

creepers have smth against you don't they?

[regal fulcrum]

lmao

ight ill come investigate more soon

gotta finish getting 7k spruce logs real quick

ping me if the world is about to explode or if something fun happens

[chilly fulcrum]

I will be asleep and miss all of it yay….

[echo wasp]

same yippee

[tepid blaze]

im lucky its 15:44 for me

[graceful marsh]

Liar

[sonic heart]

i will be at school

[graceful marsh]

We all know time stopped existing in France since July 28th

How's the heat down there by the way

[tepid blaze]

better than before, there were a lot of rain yesterday

[echo wasp]

around 10 later hrs for me

[graceful marsh]

Yeah

I'm tracking the fronts again, should be cool for most of August

Although anything could happen at this rate

Brace for September

[echo wasp]

"omg i just discovered NULL!!!!1!!!111!111!1"

[chilly fulcrum]

you know looking at the maps of pressure it’s wild how variable the pressure is up there

here the pressure is constant 1010 pretty much regardless of weather

which is pretty funny

[echo wasp]

wait 0000 is now confirmed to be impossible right

[graceful marsh]

500s

[chilly fulcrum]

If we do get ahold of Neal let’s not waste it

[graceful marsh]

It's actually quite geographically interesting Australia lacks a tornado alley

[chilly fulcrum]

ask about 500

[chilly fulcrum]

I mean, mountains are on wrong side for that

[graceful marsh]

Yeah

[regal fulcrum]

we need a sheet with questions in order of importance

[sonic heart]

"hey neal can you please give us a recipe for every single found unicode ever :3"

[chilly fulcrum]

Sure you can make one, the Unicode questions do technically have themes connected to all the others because some 500s seem to flow from some kind of illegal input

[abstract marsh]

neal would be amazed theres like nearly hundreds thousands of recipes

[chilly fulcrum]

there’s also the terrible caps check

which makes two blunders

[echo wasp]

also 0000 cant be ctrl c and v'ed right

[chilly fulcrum]

it does not correctly detect start case

We need a name for this casing

Neal case

[chilly fulcrum]

Don’t think so, unless it’s in a string then I guess you can

should try it

go python and ask it to print out a null sandwich and try copy paste the whole thing onto an analyser

[chilly fulcrum]

Not rendered by that app fair enough

next is to try locally

[echo wasp]

aa

[lethal nymph]

neal is online

[chilly fulcrum]

Rare

[regal fulcrum]

what if he dns

dms

would be awesome

[echo wasp]

did he?

(im assuming not)

[regal fulcrum]

You lost the game

[graceful marsh]

We're really only down to 5 left?

6

I can't count

Also

I think if any recipes with In A are still on the sheet they may need to be removed

I believe I cleared out all of mine already

I'm not sure why it seems to only be In A affected so far but I have to accept reality as it is for now

[tepid blaze]

normally yeah, except if somehow invalid recipe made it to my database (which is very unlikely to happen)

[echo wasp]

oh no i unintentionally made 0006

ok wait I'm gonna reset that save now to prevent further shit

[graceful marsh]

How

How do you accidentally use the do not touch elements

[echo wasp]

was gonna drag out a control with something else

oh yeah what would happen if I had a char from 0000 - 001f in my save with more elements on

[graceful marsh]

Can we update the list

[echo wasp]

0009 when /j

(ik its not possible)

[tepid blaze]

well now control char too (added manually into the db)

[graceful marsh]

Don't list them as obtained yet

[tepid blaze]

its not even public 💀 (i haven't hosted this thing)

[graceful marsh]

Well you're still gonna see it

What if you gaslight yourself