but it sucks
#Unicode
final sable
Michael Phelp + Unicode maybe?
Michel Phelps
Michel Phelp
Mike Phelps
worth a try
Michael Phelp + Unicodes 😂
chilly fulcrum
it gives male swimming emoji
which is swimming emoji + variation selectors + male sign
fun fact: i do not have unicodes anywhere in my file
"unicodes" does not exist
in my save
as a substring or otherwise
final sable
can’t be that hard surely
chilly fulcrum
if you have a recipe let me know
otherwise i will try your suggestions
i have just been trying to get rid of the gender selector
- genderless = mermaid tho so rip that
final sable
I’m not at PC rn but if pluralising tech doesn’t work then I’d try getting it enquoted and then unquoting
don’t forget Unicode + S ofc
and Unicode + Codes
chilly fulcrum
unfortunately its all a pitfall straight to emoji so id have to quote it
ok got one
"phelps" + Unicode Character Finder
"phelps" is free
"ph" + "ed" + Less
ahhh
"phelps" + Directly Next Unicode
getting there
okay
well we did that one
final sable
🎉
lethal nymph
506 Ԇ
U+0486 Dogra Alphabet
2c92 Ⲓ
U+0492 I Hate Directly Next Directly
1c84 ᲄ
U+0494 After Next
U+0494 Second Understanding
14d7 ᓗ
U+0497 Mongolian Unicode 11
13dc Ꮬ
U+049c Aksara Unicode 13
U+049c Mongolian Unicode 12
U+049c Thai Unicode 11
13dd Ꮭ
U+049d Aksara Unicode 12
U+049d Aksara Unicode 13
U+049d Thai Unicode 11
1014e 𐅎
U+049e Next Unicode Block
1019f
U+049f #nextdirectunicode
U+049f Next Unicode Block
U+049f Unicode 2000
1c9f Ჟ
U+049f After Next
U+049f Second Understanding
13ca Ꮚ
U+04ca Thai Unicode 11
144a ᑊ
U+04ca Thai Unicode Conference
2c8e Ⲏ
U+04ce Cyrillic Unicode 23
25d3 ◓
U+04d3 Box Drawing Unicode
510 Ԑ
U+04fe Dogra Alphabet
not a lot of stuff because this range is basically nonexistent
lethal nymph
here is everything not in sheet (unchecked)
limited to 3 recipes for each
these are literally not in the sheet (should be just unassigned and stuff later than unicode 12)
golden ferry
how do you get u+00ad
sonic heart
unkempt lantern
sonic heart
finally got the uppercase Í
the lineage is prob gonna be stupid long gimme a sec
Í (U+00CD) wow another dumb, inefective lineage from me, who would have guessed
edit: its actually "hi Mr. ·", instead of "hi Mr. ", "hi Mr. ·" is just "hi Mr. " + "·" ("·" is here: #1206592567622373446 message)
tbf the part after i got "í" is prob good
also if ís was dead i would have been cooked
but somehow it wasn't
sonic heart
btw, the recipe for Ï is only possible with MBS
same thing for Ë (the second item is Ê)
chilly fulcrum
It’s not really only possible with mbs but yeah I get what you mean
Also how exactly you finding these btw? I see you are getting words with those in them but how do you find those
chilly fulcrum
got maybe slightly easier 00e8
yeah considerbaly so
ah wait
thats e9
my bad
in that case yah best i have is what you have
oh i dont have prepend full stop rip
version for me
my 00c9
chilly fulcrum
italic capital for reference
sonic heart
Also how exactly you finding these btw? I see you are getting words with those i...
Infinite craft browser lol
stable verge
Infinite craft browser lol
lol
sonic heart
Infinite craft browser lol
For the words with them
chilly fulcrum
a user posted something not long ago with using cool tech
no quoted or anything
no U+
stable verge
where
chilly fulcrum
they just like organically directed it into the element I With Circumflex and used that
chilly fulcrum
ive got a lot of those now but i cant get em working
theyre easy to make
ok i have Çağan
which has that g in it
not yet found
i got it in quotes but dead
because of the c
??
0/4 unsubbed unfollowed unliked
progress?
nearly i think
someon beat me to the quoted g looks like
and the character itself
hmm
well i got 11e and 11f
"1prepend U+0307" not fd yet every intermediate was
how
and i was forced this path since every other route was Nothing
i think i went 20/20 of Nothing in a row
final sable
ah yes
would be nice in https://discord.com/channels/1203527044957208596/1208450449636855848
try combining it with the element Floor real quick
sonic heart
Í (U+00CD) wow another dumb, inefective lineage from me, who would have guessed
...
Ì (U+00CC)
chilly fulcrum
remove the word mr....
new
what
okay i think i can put in cd and cc i got a reasonable method for them both
sonic heart
Í (U+00CD) wow another dumb, inefective lineage from me, who would have guessed
...
Ó (U+00D3)
sonic heart
i just use shift + windows + s
chilly fulcrum
okay - how do i make it
sonic heart
#1215495041049436170 message
chilly fulcrum
yeah i have remove the word the and remove the word chromatic
sonic heart
Ò (U+00D2)
chilly fulcrum
but what about mr
chilly fulcrum
oh?
see its like deceiving
it looksl ike it only has remove the word the
but then you have to click to see
goofy
sonic heart
ô (U+00F4)
chilly fulcrum
fair enough
we need more of that
especially for cjk
and hangul
big ranges lots of chars
sonic heart
none of this is on browser tho
Português is in the bot
chilly fulcrum
i forget about the bot a lot
sonic heart
lol
chilly fulcrum
rip bot feb '24 - feb '24
sonic heart
ô (U+00F4)
Ô (U+00D4)
lethal nymph
here is everything not in sheet (unchecked)
someone should add these btw
sonic heart
huh
chilly fulcrum
got 00f2
yeah well incrementing codepoints got significantly harder so it will be much more difficult to add those
sonic heart
Ó (U+00D3)
Ú (U+00DA)
chilly fulcrum
f2 & d3 (mostly for portugues cause i dont like bot only stuff)
lethal nymph
i mean f2 is just U+006f + Convertd
lethal nymph
i just sent a file with all of the stuff not in sheet
sonic heart
â (U+00E2)
chilly fulcrum
convert....d ?
lethal nymph
from the list glowy sent me idk
lethal nymph
it's in the file i sent..
sonic heart
it is?
chilly fulcrum
okay i will have a look - glowy did put most of the tools recipes in a sheet but not convertd
sonic heart
when the hell did i make this
chilly fulcrum
a
sonic heart
lmao
chilly fulcrum
is this in portuguese İ
sonic heart
when the hell did i make this
å (U+00E5) oh oops
lethal nymph
ah yes the legendary dotted I
chilly fulcrum
its an.... oddity
chilly fulcrum
i may ask awwm to make anything with "U+0130 U+0307" in it
in the hopes of getting closer* to a revival
sonic heart
revival of what
lethal nymph
we love programming oversights by neal
chilly fulcrum
i mean i feel like thats an easy mistake to make but yeah
i couldnt add any spaces to "prepend U+0130"
but in awwm you guys can add stuff to even lazy elements so what do i know
lmao 00e4 is literally free how did we not have that
i love how U+004f + Circumflex reverses the 4 and f
to give f4
thats such an ai thing to do
lethal nymph
circumflex is somehow a good converter
candid trellis
is the (160) actually a thing thats used or is it just bs it appended
lethal nymph
actual thing
lethal nymph
0x00a0
chilly fulcrum
ah right
0a00 = 2560
actually where did you get that ive seen a few floating around
abstract marsh
okay i will have a look - glowy did put most of the tools recipes in a sheet but...
yeah, either imma update it abit later
or u can just head #dev message & use analyzer
lethal nymph
there's no reason it should be impossible
chilly fulcrum
00d4 (thanks for reviving Mr. o circumflex with the other route lol)
sonic heart
lmao
sonic heart
tf
lethal nymph
real
chilly fulcrum
yeah man
abstract marsh
convert....d ?
convert + Mr. D = Convertd
chilly fulcrum
okay
lethal nymph
surprisingly easy recipe
abstract marsh
why did i even try that
chilly fulcrum
poseidon vibes
#next + Indirectly's current
bruh
.io really?
is this some game?
slate whale
.io games
candid trellis
site itself cant be reached
abstract marsh
we're so desperate with learning the ai that we tried what ai gaves us 😭
candid trellis
chilly fulcrum
to get what we want
sonic heart
i have never seen the ai put it in curly quotes
candid trellis
it does that for me
chilly fulcrum
it does that consistently for me too
sonic heart
damn lol
chilly fulcrum
only recently though
previously it was quite consistently straight
i like how you have the lowercase dead version
of boite
lol
okay i think everything in nata list below 0100 is in now
sonic heart
yeah please
candid trellis
Do you do dead checks by putting them in a save file, importing them and then seeing if anything combines? (does emoji matter? probably not?)
chilly fulcrum
saved lmao
i dont know the specifics like the code but we just make requests
to check if they combine
usualy with things like ? and ???
chilly fulcrum
if it doesnt combine with any of ?, ???, Nothing, base elements, odds are its dead
abstract marsh
thats how we determine if its dead though currently
- i wish neal truly fix the endpoint
sonic heart
french stuff really does not like delete stuff lmao
candid trellis
ngl ppl would pay money to get it fixed
chilly fulcrum
this is true information
candid trellis
@ Neal how many coffees to fix it
lethal nymph
thats how we determine if its dead though currently
\- i wish neal truly fix th...
this is literally the only way
endpoint can't tell you if an element is dead
abstract marsh
ah right.... i forgot it just check recipes recorded
candid trellis
@ Neal how many coffees to fix it
I just realised the buy Neal a coffee option is gone? did he remove it or was it helper/mbs?
chilly fulcrum
if possible you may want to put in your lineages if it has something quoted like "camera" - just how you got it, in this case Camera + Put this in quotation marks will do fine, in this case it is on browser but im not going to rely on that personally jsyk
sonic heart
"cam" + "era" lmao
sonic heart
"cam" + "era" lmao
"cam": "ca" + "m"
"era": "er" + "a"
chilly fulcrum
camera + ptiqm much simpler even though ptiqm is kinda big (we have a super optimised speedrun route for it though)
got much simpler for 00e5 - namely "string.fromcharcode" + U+0155 = "å"
can you check if im all caught up rq savio?
sonic heart
yeah
candid trellis
got much simpler for 00e5 - namely "string.fromcharcode" + U+0155 = "å"
you can get capital version in quotes without U+ or charcode
also I seem to recall having "å" FD but I dont seem to have it on my save file
sonic heart
wha
candid trellis
U+00b8 lovess to make these
chilly fulcrum
8
candid trellis
ya
chilly fulcrum
May want to try “u+” here
For some reason it’s given a few really tough ones
Like 00a4
00a7 as well
Not curly but try curly too for the heck of it
Need to throw everything at it
sonic heart
I tried that, but i don't really have many items that turn u+ stuff into the corresponding unicode
So that could maybe still work
sonic heart
getting î is being a bit... difficult
sonic heart
î (U+00EE)
sonic heart
Ó (U+00D3)
ó (U+00F3)
sonic heart
õ (U+00F5)
sonic heart
Ú (U+00DA)
ú (U+00FA)
sonic heart
û (U+00FB)
chilly fulcrum
Cool
sonic heart
ö (U+00F6)
the only U+00XX characters left are:
U+0020 ( ) marked as Probably Impossible
U+002E (.) marked as Probably Impossible
U+003D (=) marked as Impossible
U+00A0 ( ) marked as Probably Impossible
U+00AD () needs the dead test
U+00B8 (¸) needs the dead test
chilly fulcrum
slightly easier 00ee
chilly fulcrum
00f6 but with evil (trivial ik)
okay well thats all below 0100 apart from those mentioned - but we did discover that control characters are possible so
natas list has 4000 lines oh god
i mean
not a bad thing
input tool may like that tbh
wow a whole 1% of natas list is complete
may need to delegate ranges for this
lmk if you want to help
ill take it up to 0200 and then take a break
also we broke 35%
ah damn cant do 01fb - dogra yunicode i dont think is on that sheet but dogra yunikode is
its fine got it
okay up to 0200 is done
in terms of whats in natas doc
only 4,187 lines to go (started with 4,3xx)
night dragon
accidental fd when i was combining random stuff (U+8EF8) 'ax' + 'l' = 'axle'
i forgor the other one
and another one (U+8F74)
abstract marsh
interesting
slate whale
i think U+1f5e3 is fked
chilly fulcrum
well ever since my "cheat code" stopped working its been a pain
this is all my elements with weightlifter emoji
but none of them are isoalted
they all have variation selectors
can we make a remove the variation selector or something
slate whale
i tried that one too
slate whale
slate whale
final sable
oh btw Taco I don’t think you were paying attention yesterday when you screenshotted and sent me this xD https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1215495041049436170/1250931447296950292/image.png?ex=666cbc32&is=666b6ab2&hm=c2e2657a4a0b440998141b8373b65422f7a9c99cc4d76284bc485dc4c6055c20&
loses a latter and the parenthesization
final sable
ah okay
slate whale
i dont have any other uppercase tech
final sable
it turns out capitalizing it is way harder than (ftfgtag) ._.
Infinite Craft destroyed my soul last night 😂
but I will persist
or just ask nata to finish it off for me because honestly it’s above my skill level
chilly fulcrum
the text transform uppercase....
damn
well i can make the selectors
but not selectors
odd
what
15/15 brain rot
8/15 Nothing
now 10/17
string.append('f') only thing that works
pathetic
7/7 on hashtags removing the space for zero reason
interesting
still didnt put it without fe0f
slate whale
hmm
candid trellis
He’s train ing
slate whale
idk
chilly fulcrum
also thats the reverse
slate whale
slate whale
chilly fulcrum
lol
slate whale
idk
chilly fulcrum
what is these errors
chilly fulcrum
cant pass "aremove-u+" rn
slate whale
man
chilly fulcrum
may i have help to make remove/delete [the] U+fe0f
slate whale
can you send lineage to #delete U+fe0f
chilly fulcrum
did it work or nah
chilly fulcrum
oh well yeah but did you try to get it without
chilly fulcrum
how far did you get
slate whale
maybe append/prepend f
chilly fulcrum
it replaces the +
ok i got "remove-u-fe0f"
idk
okay ill carry on natas file in a bit
want to help? its large enough i think we will need to split up the file into work units
lethal nymph
i won't be running the bruteforce until next monday because vacation
slate whale
want to help? its large enough i think we will need to split up the file into wo...
sure
@chilly fulcrum where did u stop
lethal nymph
okay up to 0200 is done
.
chilly fulcrum
i propose splitting work units into ranges of 0x100
chilly fulcrum
that is true 02xx does have more in it as its a largely blank range
ill take 0300 and up to some undetermined limit - just tell me what range you will reserve and i will stop there
slate whale
ok
chilly fulcrum
although some of these tools arent listed in glowys sheet
directly the possessive for example
as i say that i get it
lol
slate whale
i dont have to check them in game no?
abstract marsh
welp you can use analyzer and check this savefile for the recipe :P
#dev message
chilly fulcrum
ah true
well i personally do check them in game - but an api check also works. i know the recipes are legit but i do feel the need to verify
chilly fulcrum
okay
abstract marsh
imma do hangul one i guess...
chilly fulcrum
you can pick any its ok we will not interfere
slate whale
finished 2xx
chilly fulcrum
3xx also done
abstract marsh
meanwhile me struggling to get U+00ef ( still working on getting "..u-"
chilly fulcrum
U+00 + U+ef for me
chilly fulcrum
probably is but like its not that bad
graceful marsh
Is there a U+D -> E?
slate whale
abstract marsh
just got it... still long recipes but hey... i got it
abstract marsh
Is there a U+D -> E?
no real work being done on that, altphabet got relied too much :>
lethal nymph
my bad for accidentally putting the 3 at the wrong spot
chilly fulcrum
like i am actually gonna start needing to provide instructions to the codepoint
heck i need instructions
abstract marsh
Ancient Unicode 12
Aksara Unicode 12 + Ancient Unicode = Ancient Unicode 13
for references
abstract marsh
U+++3070 + U+3000 = U+3070
chilly fulcrum
yeah
abstract marsh
oh god... hangul chaining unicode
i like it
oh i got only u+0291 out of all u+029x
weird
ok what is that
candid trellis
Off-brand Square quotes
abstract marsh
top & bottom half integral
candid trellis
it has fucking halves?
abstract marsh
yup
sonic heart
ć (U+0107) im just waiting for someone to send a way more efficient lineage lmao
also i have no idea how "erć" + Delete First made "ćer"
chilly fulcrum
what is native vs symbols
abstract marsh
hilarious
lethal nymph
censored
graceful marsh
Do you just have that image on hand
lethal nymph
real
abstract marsh
why does rubik even know that
chilly fulcrum
no but i just thought of it
i was like ah wait i remember that chinese keyboard meme
cause you know you gotta have a key for every character sooooooooo
graceful marsh
I mean you don't
That's the point of stroke keyboards
graceful marsh
I'm already like on 20 if the Chinese govt records my actions
I've helped out at an embassy protest or two
chilly fulcrum
somehow or other i have yet to encounter something on natas list i dont have the codepoint for
like every time i search up the codepoint in the search bar
there it is
and like i dont have even close to all the codepoints in this range
abstract marsh
if its the u+0nxx
where n is 0-2 and xx is aa-ff
i dont have most of it
imma just skip em
idk how the hell u guys got it either 💀
chilly fulcrum
how was 02ex
abstract marsh
i guess u+02ea until u+02ef
.....
chilly fulcrum
i mean 02eanything
it physically pains me being unable to increment unicode
anymore
like i have to manually make every single one
abstract marsh
yeah thats painful one when encountered
chilly fulcrum
even normal numbers
like we are suffering now because we didnt make them earlier
if we made them earlier this wouldnt be a problem
but the update effectively triggered a killswitch that says "you shall not increment codepoints!!"
graceful marsh
Icarus, for flying too close to the sun, found himself falling
This is divine punishment for something
chilly fulcrum
laurasia you may want to have a look at natas list for analysis
its interesting the emerging patterns
it contains ~1000 unicode not in sheet
abstract marsh
welp... imagine if i inject 100+ more tools in the list ( if i had the will to grind it )
probs nata gonna spent another week automating it
graceful marsh
I'm finally updating casefiles tonight
I'll have a look
abstract marsh
well what
chilly fulcrum
from where
anyway natas list does cap out at 3 recipes per element
but if we got the full version
the patterns might be more interesting again
abstract marsh
from where
just a few line before hangul's part
chilly fulcrum
ah ok
weve barely made a dent damn
we are like 10% through nata list
aaa
35.58% already tho
this will take us to 40% just about
chilly fulcrum
only 3x the trimmed one
At least I get to use input tool
I think we should make some quick scripts to re order it
Like make it so that everything using tool X is grouped together
Unfortunately no chains but I’ve still been largely using the input tool
abstract marsh
u+0186 is crazy
chilly fulcrum
Kinda makes sense though
0086 is a control
So the ai really doesn’t want to give it
0186 is I guess the easiest choice
Remember this is only things not on sheet
If we got the full full list
I think you’d see similar pattern
abstract marsh
with this full list ( only missing one ) i can choose simpler recipe lmao...
chilly fulcrum
okay so you are doing start of Hangul
And we decided 0x0100 is block size
although some Hangul ranges are only 7f
all up to 0500 is done* although mistakes could have been made
and that took us from 34.8% to 35.5%
abstract marsh
0.7% not bad... is that including chain-ed unicodes that is possible from the list as start base?
sonic heart
wha
chilly fulcrum
No I didn’t chain much
that’s something that needs to be done
it is a bit annoying that the recipes are all like out of the blue
instead of chain 20 characters in 20 seconds
abstract marsh
i see, im trying to make chained in hangul as well so we can skim more
chilly fulcrum
Sure yeah I just didn’t want to search all the chars to get literally all of the ones I had in that range - although if regex search is added we could do that easily
abstract marsh
when its just one being empty out of many filled
i just skip cuz no reason to change the recipes
chilly fulcrum
Yeah well it’s a tough dilemma whether to override bad recipes but maybe once we are satisfied here we can move to doing that
Lmao U+0e3a has literally hundreds of recipes
Let’s get some code over this file real
Some of these are pushing 1k recipes
I’m not even kidding
but maybe my at a glance counting is overestimating
We found the integers
0094 + Unicode 44
abstract marsh
common pattern i could see from hangul unicode chains
it fking skip d unless i used #next
candid trellis
No D for the AI
chilly fulcrum
What if we banned the cop out emojis
So the ai was forced to actually give an emoji that isn’t just like x
or ?
abstract marsh
interesting
chilly fulcrum
have a look at Thai block
Some elements have what look to me like literally 1000 recipes
Wait this full list where’s the stuff from 1xxxx?
it skips from fexx to 20000
abstract marsh
have a look at Thai block
oh right i forgot to add my recipes for thai codeblock...
knotty nacelle
how can I make > and <
chilly fulcrum
They are on the sheet (we need to fix the pins)
it’s like right at the bottom
And I may need to fix those ancient recipes
abstract marsh
hangul sheet now had 171 straight unicode found now... i'll see if i can continue it
chilly fulcrum
that’s nearing the 22xx streak
I forgot how many it is
it’s 223a-22f6 inclusive
so I guess f7 - 3a (avoid off by one error) = bc
= 11 * 16 + 12 = 188
chilly fulcrum
And is that all on a row
abstract marsh
well yeah u can check these range F106:F318
212 now :>
chilly fulcrum
the 22xx can be extended into the early 23xx if we find 22f7 - idk why chain Andes
Ended
And I should have tried my increment cheat code before update
abstract marsh
chain aint chainning
knotty nacelle
can anyone show me how to mix unicodes?
tepid blaze
?
chilly fulcrum
What do you mean by mix
Try append/prepend U+[++][000]8
using that on the last one in the chain
That was my chest code
I’d say it worked 95%
if other chain strategies didn’t work I could count on that reliably and I can count the number of times it didn’t come through on the fingers of one hand
The one time it didn’t work I just increased the number of digits I gave it to the last 2 digits
abstract marsh
shit i thought someone finished U+02bx cuz i saw a recipe with U+02BB
chilly fulcrum
interesting that worked but yeah I struggled so hard
I needed 2e7 in one recipe
the only codepoint I didn’t have so far
man I hate update
Took ages
abstract marsh
lmao wth
tepid blaze
yeah when i was trying to optimize some unicode recipe i found out water pretty good for getting random unicode soo
abstract marsh
before trying that can we decide to do revival on around U+0xxx???
kinda funny how we had alot of dead codepoint
U+02BB
chilly fulcrum
What’s that first one
Alfo fish did revive all u+xxx
not too sure what the main tricks they used are
Since increment stopped working
and how letters were dealt with
But I think I should learn it
abstract marsh
i cant get U+02BF ???
abstract marsh
But I think I should learn it
im throwing all in to find letters stuff...
lethal nymph
Wait this full list where’s the stuff from 1xxxx?
it checks main sheet -> hangul -> cjk
1xxxx starts at line 11468
chilly fulcrum
okay
Mine does not make such distinction
It just checks them all
I forgot how it works tbh
abstract marsh
ok the streak it stopped at G106:G345
thats... 239 streak
chilly fulcrum
alright my job is to clean the 8th-12th floors from 8am-12pm, easy I will do 1 floor per hour
The clock striking noon as you finish floor 11: bing bong
you: Wtf
Your boss: you’re fired
chilly fulcrum
99+ Hangul comments
primal maple
how many of these are found?
A: Ɐ, ɐ
B: , q
C: Ɔ, ɔ
D: , p
E: Ǝ, ǝ
F: Ⅎ, ɟ (Font permissive for lowercase)
G: ⅁, ᵷ (Font permissive for uppercase)
H: H, ɥ
I: I, ᴉ
J: , (You can use Long S with dot below)
K: Ʞ, ʞ
L: Ꞁ, ꞁ (Yes, lowercase turned L is a separate character, it's so dumb)
M: W, ɯ (Font permissive for capital)
N: N, u
O: O, o
P: , d
Q: , b
R: , ɹ (capital doesnt exist???)
S: S, s
T: Ʇ, ʇ
U: , n
V: Ʌ, ʌ
W: M, ʍ (Font permissive for capital)
X: X, x
Y: ⅄, ʎ (Font permissive for capital)
Z: Z, z
are they all together on sheet
primal maple
are they all together on sheet
no lol
Unicode made some in the latin extended C or smth
and others are in U+A___
*Plus there are some letters like O and X that are just themselves upside down and can be ignored
chilly fulcrum
Did they make upside down for those anyway?
primal maple
Did they make upside down for those anyway?
yes, these are all (mostly) intended
save for barred dotless J for turned lowercase F
chilly fulcrum
yeah I would
abstract marsh
putting comments thats not the codepoint...
nice... now which codeblock is these
chilly fulcrum
I’d make an upside down X even if it’s technically redundant
primal maple
I’d make an upside down X even if it’s technically redundant
there is an upside down L
dont ask why it exists
*Lowercase
ꞁ
chilly fulcrum
for consistency’s sake I’d imagine
primal maple
for consistency’s sake I’d imagine
but there isnt any turned capital R even though there is turned smallcaps R????
unicode pls fix
chilly fulcrum
U+0281?
candid trellis
how many of these are found?
```
A: Ɐ, ɐ
B: , q
C: Ɔ, ɔ
D: , p
E: Ǝ, ǝ
F: Ⅎ, ɟ...
I have upside down in upside down
Dead though
primal maple
I have upside down in upside down
Dead though
ik
thats what gave me the idea to find these
bc there is no manipulator to make these work
also turned numbers:
0 ꞁ ↊ ↋ _ _ 9 _ 8 6
idk if turned 4/5/7 exist
and substituting turned 1 with turned lowercase L in serif font
primal maple
These are not rendering on my end
lol
can't you install a font to make them render?
chilly fulcrum
yeah it’s just a mobile moment
primal maple
oh 💀
chilly fulcrum
Also if you want to check if say a turned capital R exists
Get the lowercase one
And put into a code terminal the command to make it uppercase
whatever language you prefer
primal maple
And put into a code terminal the command to make it uppercase
you can just feed it to compart
and check if an uppercase variant exist
chilly fulcrum
Not familiar with that
primal maple
Here's turned A
and turned R
proving there isnt any capital
theres no Uppercase Character slot below UTF-32 Encoding
primal maple
also didnt unicode have an official website where you can input a character?
chilly fulcrum
Even if one isn’t explicitly defined it probably has it mapped to a reasonable substitute
primal maple
lemme check wikipedia actually
they have alot of unintended subsitutes
chilly fulcrum
so I’d try that try print(“lowercase turned r”.upper) in python for example
and I’m too lazy to make the actual character there
primal maple
nope
there is no turned capital R according to wikipedia either
chilly fulcrum
still give it a try see what it comes up with
primal maple
so I’d try that try print(“lowercase turned r”.upper) in python for example
i tried it with an online compiler and this happened
(actually im not sure if i did it correctly lol)
primal maple
oh
i used normal quotes so it just made it allcaps, oops
chilly fulcrum
oh you need to put the actual character there
chilly fulcrum
the word lowercase turned r inside quotes doesn’t mean anything special it’s just a sentence so it made it all uppercsse like instructed - sorry I wasn’t clear
primal maple
oof
didnt work
chilly fulcrum
what was the output? Like what did it print I can’t see the the corner there
primal maple
the word lowercase turned r inside quotes doesn’t mean anything special it’s jus...
its fine
idk how to code :/ (i should learn someday)
primal maple
what was the output? Like what did it print I can’t see the the corner there
lowercase turned R
could find a capital
chilly fulcrum
Oof
primal maple
*couldnt
chilly fulcrum
unfortunate
primal maple
hmm
ig there really is no capital turned R (D:)
chilly fulcrum
well U+0281 is a good substitute
primal maple
well U+0281 is a good substitute
its smallcaps so no
chilly fulcrum
Oh I see
primal maple
ʁ ɹ
primal maple
off topic but this block order is so stupid
it should be ordered:
random punctuation and other stuff > CJK > COMPAT > COMPAT2 > EXTA > EXTB > EXTC > EXTD > EXTE > EXTF > EXTG > EXTH > EXTI
(if only you could change the codepoint orders)
Why did they put EXTI in plane 2 though????
they could have at least put it after EXTH
chilly fulcrum
to fill the space
graceful marsh
G wouldn't have fit between Supplement and F
chilly fulcrum
not enough room for the others
graceful marsh
But I, eventually, did
chilly fulcrum
so they put after
primal maple
G wouldn't have fit between Supplement and F
"(if only you could change the codepoint orders)"
but you cant unfortunately
graceful marsh
You asked a question
primal maple
so yeah
chilly fulcrum
I mean you could just add them until you run out of room and declare this the end of the block
graceful marsh
Ah yes, CJKG Part 1 and 2
primal maple
to fill the space
ig so
i was thinking that should be another compatibility supplement since that can fit well
chilly fulcrum
Nah you call the part 2 h
can’t have people thinking it wasn’t exactly lined up from the start
primal maple
I mean you could just add them until you run out of room and declare this the en...
also there are still so many characters not encoded
go to here if you want to see
primal maple
can’t have people thinking it wasn’t exactly lined up from the start
lol
oops
sry for ping
chilly fulcrum
Well yes like 97% of codepoints are unassigned
depending on how you count the input space
if you’re happy to use utf32 then there’s almost no assigned characters
primal maple
Well yes like 97% of codepoints are unassigned
yeah
i mean how many planes have been used?
4 for norm characters, 2 for private use area, and then 1 more for the tag letter things
chilly fulcrum
the difference between a million and a billion is a billion
to 99.9% accuracy
they need to follow braille blocks example
it is the single most perfect Unicode block in existence
like codepoint ^ 0x2800 literally equals the braille pattern
where ^ means bitwise xor
0x2800 ^ 0x2800 = 0x00 - therefore the braille pattern should be blank
and it is!!
lethal nymph
if only symbols for legacy computing was like braille
chilly fulcrum
sadly I kinda doubt that xor trick is used lol
Since it’s all in a database anyway
No need to do math
chilly fulcrum
Well the first bit is fairly straightforward
the first 0x10
it’s just throwing us off by having no blank one
graceful marsh
You mean the ordering?
In the docs it's just
The proposed characters are presented roughly in groups: block sextants are together, followed by other mosaic graphics, and so forth. Although the exact order of these characters within their groups is not an overriding concern, it seems reasonable that the groups should be kept together.
chilly fulcrum
They arbitrarily skip some
Like for example the symbol with all left squares black and all right squares white they just decided nah
can’t be bothered
They skip 1 per block of 0xf
graceful marsh
Four of the 64 sextant block characters were unified with existing characters: the left and right half blocks and full block were unified with the visually identical U+258C, U+2590, and U+2588, while the empty block can be mapped to an existing space character with suitable properties, such as U+00A0 NO-BREAK SPACE.
chilly fulcrum
and yes because they skip one the block size is 15
Yeah I figured
Still interesting they skipped it
I wouldn’t have
graceful marsh
As for U+1FB93, that seems to be an actual submission error
At the very least, I can't determine from the documentation alone a reasoning
graceful marsh
Rubiksmath when Braille Unicode Block exists:
graceful marsh
Let me find the documentation for it
We can figure out who did it like that and thank them
lethal nymph
who doesn't love braille
graceful marsh
Huh
No credits
chilly fulcrum
mic drop
Just wait until we take over Unicode with our 24 dot braille
Hahahahahha
You see every codepoint is actually braille
but the fools at Unicode consortium trick you into thinking otherwise
they distract you by making you look at a fancy “character”
when all you need to do is look at the number
abstract marsh
we have gone too far than just discovering unicodes
chilly fulcrum
They try to tell you that U+0047 is capital G but the full reality is laid bare in all its glory: 00000000000000000000000000101111
As you can see U+0047 is clearly that braille pattern
and the G is merely a distraction
abstract marsh
https://apps.timwhitlock.info/unicode/inspect/hex/3190-319F
it is assigned unicode... apparently its not on sheet
where did yall hide it 😭
oh i found it
this chain lineage goes from hangul sheet to cjk sheet to Unicode Character Sheet
😭
am i high...
Oh welp...
imagine trying to get bopomofo unicode then u're travelling from hangul sheet to cjk sheet then back to unicode character sheet 🤣
344/350
if not for the missing unicode, might be able to have longest streak unicode from hangul's sheet
E11:E360
chilly fulcrum
some characters that are assigned aren’t on the sheet that’s just something we have to live with
it’s operating on Unicode 12
sonic heart
ć (U+0107) ~~im just waiting for someone to send a way more efficient lineage lm...
someone add this please
night dragon
what is recipe for the other ingredients
gimme a sec
ok
U+8F78 & U+8EF8 everything should be in:
the two letter altphabet sheet, japanese sheet, quoted japanese sheet, and bot
漢字
たかさご
wooden monolith
U+8F78 & U+8EF8 everything should be in:
the two letter altphabet sheet, japanes...
takasago 💀
do you even have 廣東話
night dragon
ill uh post this here if any of these are missing (kanjis from dynamic, hexa and i)
abstract marsh
lineage?
chilly fulcrum
any more work done? % has not changed much so i assume not and i can take 05xx and up to some limit i will decide later
abstract marsh
outdoor so will not progress anything from me
slate whale
any more work done? % has not changed much so i assume not and i can take 05xx a...
i go 06xx now
nvm
i start from 05xx
chilly fulcrum
ok
abstract marsh
if you want to continue hangul part
1xxx until 3xxx was done
slate whale
i stopped at 10FC
chilly fulcrum
from 05xx? ok
slate whale
yea
slate whale
i did not touch this tho
slate whale
ohh
chilly fulcrum
some in Thai block have like 1000 recipes cause glowy didn’t add them but gave loads of Thai tools
abstract marsh
true, thai tools i had exceed the normal amount & i still havent found some of the unicode yet
abstract marsh
ah yes it can be anything but U+C73D lmao
abstract marsh
happy sfx noises
sour swallow
U+FF64 and U+FF61 (both not on the sheet)
sour swallow
U+FF40
sage wren
had to do a lot of searching to find what character this is, osage small letter sha [U+104EF]
i just manually wrote out "..u-10937" then Mr. U+ then Removes The Mr. for U+10937
chilly fulcrum
interesting convert to Unicode
sage wren
interesting convert to Unicode
yeah i had it for making a diff element than Convert To Unicode lol
sour swallow
why's 2d26 not on the sheet
chilly fulcrum
Unassigned
young turtle
why's 2d26 not on the sheet
It is unassigned
sour swallow
ah i see
sour swallow
Super simple U+FBE6, U+FBE7 and U+FBE8 lineage
sage wren
allat for a character that's just two lines
sour swallow
not even what i was going for too
sour swallow
@tepid blaze Got this but sadly I couldn't get it to work
sonic heart
ć (U+0107) ~~im just waiting for someone to send a way more efficient lineage lm...
easier lmao
now can it be added?
sage wren
where tf is the 11xx range
probably in the Hangul category since U+11xx is Hangul characters .. Just a guess though
chilly fulcrum
ita hangul yes
sonic heart
all the easy "ċ" recipes use Ċ, so this lineage is gonna be dumb and long 💀👍
raven beacon
idk if it;s better or not curly c and either remove the mr. or remove Mr
sonic heart
veri izi 💀👍 (characteristics was the only one that worked im sorry)
edit: its "translation" instead of Translation for "maltese-translation" lol
chilly fulcrum
"rac" is probably not trivial i imagine
abstract marsh
im going to attempt finishing nata's list for cjk one
chilly fulcrum
U+FF64 and U+FF61 (both not on the sheet)
how U+ff61, its being painful rn
abstract marsh
sad, i dont have Mathematical Operators Unicode
oh welp skipping U+2f0e
chilly fulcrum
ok well i mean lineage exists in unicode sheet
it should be at the first instance of use (somewhere in 01xx)
among other places every so often to make sure that ctrl+f can find it
abstract marsh
oki going there
chilly fulcrum
it was quite the hunt though
chilly fulcrum
did you get it now
ok well i am picking up from 13xx then
to some undetermined limit
i may go through the whole thing again later for chains
abstract marsh
im going thru several tabs to get each element needed
chilly fulcrum
my increment cheat code is working in U+13xx for some reason
abstract marsh
ah aksara kind of unicode
no wonder, they are like magnet
chilly fulcrum
13xx could legit get completed
is any other range compelted? i know you got a long hangul streak but it barely missed right
streak needs to be at least 256*
and also lined up right
abstract marsh
idk never really took a try to check which has longest streak
also im at dilemma
old recipe that requires roundabout way to get it alr replaced
now im wondering should i replace complicated recipes with chains from using mathematical operators unicode or just put alt recipe
imma just put it as alt route
chilly fulcrum
its fine i dont mind
ah dang cheat code no work for 13d4 - that might end up being the only one not found in that range
input tool ftw
abstract marsh
i gotchu
thanks to nata's bruteforce we found simpler recipe for those
twin bay
We have a better recipe: #1206592567622373446 message
abstract marsh
nice imma replace it with that
chilly fulcrum
300
a bit problematic at the last few chars of 13xx
they are lowercase of chars just before them
means the cheat code cant work
like instead of {13f9} + U+000a the ai sees {13f1} + U+000a and just goes erm what
stable verge
what
chilly fulcrum
1f7xx
stable verge
nvm
stable verge
imagine it actually does math
lethal nymph
it should do math
chilly fulcrum
it does do math like normal and these things would be usable to bypass neals restriction that all 7+ digit numbers are dead
stable verge
yeah
chilly fulcrum
except
stable verge
wooooo
chilly fulcrum
what else is special about 7 digits and unicode
lethal nymph
fffd
chilly fulcrum
exactly
chilly fulcrum
so it just happens to line up that you cant
stable verge
𝟯𝟬𝟬𝟯𝟬𝟬𝟯𝟬𝟬
chilly fulcrum
like you could get 999999 but not 1000000
stable verge
bruh
lethal nymph
just get 727
stable verge
so in short same thing but with all fds
stable verge
minus?
lethal nymph
aren't the single digit numbers acquired
stable verge
prob
chilly fulcrum
yeah they are...
graceful marsh
Just divide 300 by 300 to get 1
Problem solved
chilly fulcrum
by me
stable verge
Just divide 300 by 300 to get 1
Problem solved
how
lethal nymph
multiply by 1/300
chilly fulcrum
instead of + just use /
stable verge
lol
graceful marsh
I mean would be interesting
lethal nymph
every self combination equals 1 yay
graceful marsh
Strictly speaking division isn't any more nonsense for the AI than + is
Any binary operation would work
lethal nymph
xor
graceful marsh
Dot product
chilly fulcrum
these numbers behave totally normal
except
when you reach 7
it stops working
like 7+ 8 = 76
7 + 1 = 1
8 + 1 = 5
stable verge
add then minus after that add by the amount of recipes for poseidon then add a thousand plus the amount of first discoveries without e
graceful marsh
Clearly this is math of the future
graceful marsh
Did you ever play the original Scribblenauts
chilly fulcrum
8+8=20 but the 20 is from a different number set
stable verge
bold8 + bold8 = 20