yeah i just realized i havent tried U+++21ea + U+++21e9 = U+++21eb
#Unicode
final sable
@chilly fulcrum ψ and ξ not in sheet still
abstract marsh
ah i see it was in bot.. imma try & add it
chilly fulcrum
Yeah I know I have loads to get around to
not as many active editors as there once was
As long as those are the lowercases and bot isn’t like being fooled
abstract marsh
oh welp imma just continue filling nata's list
will continue later actually, imma eat
chilly fulcrum
Idk I didn’t check if the bot recipes are legit but if they are it would help
abstract marsh
if its within 2-5 step from my save
i would like to check em too
i wonder if we can scrape lineage of unicode known by bot
tender wasp
Anyone know how to do í ?
lethal nymph
have you checked sheet
tender wasp
Yes
lethal nymph
well check it again
abstract marsh
me checking unicode of 11DC 11DD ... and ended up at 11FF
😭
abstract marsh
Korean Alphabet
(for references)
chilly fulcrum
Yuni
that is an unusual recipe did you just spam and happen to get that? I’ve had random things come with some random spam
abstract marsh
i didnt spam lol...
i just curious what it will do with Y + Unifont since Unicode + Y = Yunicode
chilly fulcrum
No I meant Korean alphabet
that’s an unusual one
Cyrillic Javanese is one of those things you get and then you get annoyed because it’s not what you want
abstract marsh
Cyrillic Javanese is one of those things you get and then you get annoyed becaus...
true😂
graceful marsh
You're telling me you don't want to see Javanese using Cyrillic orthograpy?
Actually Balinese would be worst
Ng
abstract marsh
Expectation
Javanese Unicode
Reality :
understandable and have a nice day
new up recipe has dropped
Next Reverse : https://ib.zptr.cc/item/01hzkw6yrn7d502hy7d5dvp26n
OH nvm i can use simpler recipe
thanks for making Next Unicode Block
it was useful
sonic heart
¤ (U+00A4)
abstract marsh
why did this unicode appear now :wondering:
sonic heart
i decided to get it now
abstract marsh
i see, i'll leave that to other editor that has prepend U+00a4
sonic heart
sonic heart
and i dont have «
abstract marsh
imagine normal element being able to unquote the "«"
trim pond
does anyone know how to make U+420?
lilac maple
how to make "..u+"
sonic heart
how to make "..u+"
"..u" + Prepend Hyphen + U+
trim pond
like I tried so many things but just can't get it
graceful marsh
Sorry, meant to ask is 0420 fine?
trim pond
no, U+420
graceful marsh
Ah, alright
trim pond
ok nvm. Just got it U-420 + U+abc = U+420.
but really, I have been trying for like 20 minutes
sonic heart
this is TORTURE
trim pond
What are you trying to get?
sonic heart
· (U+00B7)
trim pond
that is a nice character
lethal nymph
sage wren
(ip grabber)
candid trellis
grab ipper*
trim pond
Just randomly found U+0BE1 up to U+0BE6 (none of those are in the spreadsheet). Can someone please add the recipes? Also, the first five are unassigned so add that to the Missing Characters subsheet
U+1 + U+6b0 =
U+6b0 + =
U+6b0 + =
+ =
+ =
+ = ௦
U+626F
Delete The "e" + U+6ccf = 扯
sonic heart
i am fully convinced that getting · is literally just impossible
look at how many items with · i have
the AI always bullshits it's way into not giving me · somehow
heres the recipe for "·" if any of yall wanna get ·
sonic heart
§ (U+00A7) i dont have the stuff necessary to make efficient lineages lmao
trim pond
oh yeah btw some samaritan found from U+0818 to U+082F and (U+0824, U+0825, U+0829, U+082A, U+082B)
and U+082E and U+082F are to be placed in Missing characters subsheet.
"fromcodepoint" + U+0b8 = ࠘
࠘ + ࠘ = ࠙
࠙ + ࠙ = ࠚ
࠙ + ࠚ = ࠛ
࠙ + ࠛ = ࠜ
ࠜ + ࠙ = ࠝ
ࠝ + ࠙ = ࠞ
ࠞ + ࠙ = ࠟ
ࠟ + ࠙ = ࠠ
ࠠ + ࠙ = ࠡ
ࠡ + ࠙ = ࠢ
ࠢ + ࠙ = ࠣ
ࠣ + ࠙ = ࠦ
ࠦ + ࠙ = ࠧ
ࠧ + ࠙ = ࠨ
ࠨ + ࠙ = ࠬ
ࠬ + ࠙ = ࠭
࠙ + ࠭ =
࠙ + =
࠙ + = ࠰
chilly fulcrum
yeah about missing chars one day i think we can do that but for now not being able to add rows is annoying
chilly fulcrum
hate to say it but missing aksara unicode 15.0
chilly fulcrum
« (U+00AB)
dont have "00";
????????????? what
american
also why is it putting random rtl seriously
is this some new behaviour
sonic heart
dont have "00";
It's in the infinite craft browser lol
vagrant scarabBOT
chilly fulcrum
making a simpler lineage attempt for 00ab rn
i wonder how many characters are in the sheet but they dont know that theres a preceding rtl
chilly fulcrum
got a lot of new unifont and unicodes with Mr. and also Mrs. but not many Mr and Mrs and no babys at all
damn all your hashtag stuff so many combos i couldnt keep track with all that on the board - like all the #current and all that woah
its just random spam - i guess i could lay out all my currents, nexts, previouses, unifonts, directly, etc
sage wren
‰_‰
chilly fulcrum
for reference
abstract marsh
hate to say it but missing aksara unicode 15.0
Aksara Unicode 15 + Unifont = Aksara Unicode 15.0
yeah
chilly fulcrum
slightly optimised 00a7
abstract marsh
i wonder how many characters are in the sheet but they dont know that theres a p...
question does mbs detect it?
chilly fulcrum
it doesnt give me a codepoint so its a dead giveaway
abstract marsh
slightly optimised 00a7
prepend hypen & u+
this is indeed simpler
chilly fulcrum
didnt know "the [ ]" was useful like that
also Aksara Unicode 15 + Unifont = Unicode
not Aksara Unicode 15.0
chilly fulcrum
i see
yeah idk lots of options did you kinda combine lots of #current and #next and unicode, directly, unifont, etc etc
i got a few new ones
New Unifont for example
abstract marsh
yeah idk lots of options did you kinda combine lots of #current and #next and un...
i was thinking if i can have previous & next
why not current too
then the grind is going long
hmm do you have any aksara unicode 1 - 9
chilly fulcrum
i have unicode 0-9 nata made them
abstract marsh
imma hope the lineage is reachable within extra 100+ step
chilly fulcrum
killerbowser also made a simplified version
abstract marsh
found it, yeah thats much better
abstract marsh
does happen indeed
i had something like Current D, Current Dandelion smth smth
abstract marsh
might as well i gave the save file for easier access if you want
chilly fulcrum
im ok
abstract marsh
imma continue [this](#1206592567622373446 message) again
chilly fulcrum
which one? discord message links brokey
abstract marsh
does reply broken?
chilly fulcrum
no reply is not broken
abstract marsh
oki
Unifont
Unascii
Asciifont [number] : https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1211396359836409936/1249236821523562557/image.png?ex=666691f3&is=66654073&hm=c4db7847cddf42f11da81a932ab2e2d25e2b496be488d2adaa2fd461fd8829a5&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=687&height=246
well... ok
abstract marsh
oh wow
chilly fulcrum
predictable tho
neat haven
i give up for now
chilly fulcrum
wow 33.5%
neat haven
chilly fulcrum
interesting never seen it just drop the quotes and the the - oh wait
unquote
thingy
yeah
vagrant scarabBOT
@rubiksmath muted
Reason: Rule 2: No Spam. No repeated messages, inappropriate pings, mangled text, link spam, etc.
Duration: 59 minutes and 56 seconds
sage wren
ransom sure is getting strange why do you need to sacrifice your mind to have rubiksmath unmuted‽
abstract marsh
Unicode 2060
for references as well
impressive it does what i wanted
Next Reverse : https://ib.zptr.cc/item/01hzkw6yrn7d502hy7d5dvp26n
chilly fulcrum
whew
regal fulcrum
<@501500017308205066> mind to unmute rubiksmath?
I was asleep sorry
abstract marsh
no worries
glass locust
why your infinite craft looks cool
graceful marsh
Unassigned codepoint
misty cargo
what does that mean
graceful marsh
It's a Unicode point that doesn't have a character attached to it
graceful marsh
Uh
Send recipes and a sheet editor'll see
misty cargo
ok
tame violet
where i do put all the georgian alphabet characters
step 1: ask to make georgian board (there isn't one i think)
step 2: post there
step 3: send to unicode
step 4: abandon it
misty cargo
these are the first few
just add the one thats before it
more
then just add previous ones with others
misty cargo
same, i believe thats all the Mtavruli script characters
abstract marsh
nope thats just half of it
misty cargo
i meant from U+10E6 onwards
abstract marsh
sigh, check tokenizer
᳐᳐᳐
abstract marsh
same, i believe thats all the Mtavruli script characters
imma complete this code block as i can get the 1c90
misty cargo
yea georgian unicode + A
abstract marsh
yea `georgian unicode` + `A`
using that as entrance also works ! (ignoring it wont be giving U+1C90
graceful marsh
Speedrun Mtavruli script?
abstract marsh
nope just discovering the mtavruli script block
after so many fking month of dogra unicode hunt
Finally it appeared !!!
misty cargo
Ğ
sage wren
after so many fking month of dogra unicode hunt
Finally it appeared !!!
holy dogra
abstract marsh
holy dogra
Dogra codeblock
U+11800 - U+1183F
Aksarra Unicode 11 : #1206592567622373446 message
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1211396359836409936/1249407286028537886/image.png?ex=666730b5&is=6665df35&hm=a6486994b4d0b26c94b940b915ff1611fbeef0beb905a8eaf2f02b784df615b7&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=553&height=565
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1211396359836409936/1249407804813348997/image.png?ex=66673131&is=6665dfb1&hm=61bee0692df513e79b0b7f31844fa0da004a1c464514a717479f5a95e7f8e358&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=302&height=437
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1211396359836409936/1249408779993223169/image.png?ex=6667321a&is=6665e09a&hm=458766f19269d70396e0ffc085123856169475d14d2a29d34ef3b1449860ae59&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=501&height=565
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1211396359836409936/1249409185909706904/image.png?ex=6667327a&is=6665e0fa&hm=1eff85c11b63df1ff43ad7bae0378815e4d3cc70df62e8a70097cd20aae6e2f4&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=395&height=437
somehow there's one thats alr found :0
hmm the quality image... imma redo screenshot
abstract marsh
have you tried using discord search to find the recipe?
lethal nymph
#1226724619290148917
pastel harness
I did and it's still not helping
ok thanks
I just want a letter in quotes but it doesn't wanna work and nothing seems to do it
abstract marsh
oh welp...
abstract marsh
U+1cc0 : #1206592567622373446 message
Aksara Unicode 11 and 16 : #1206592567622373446 message
abstract marsh
U+1cc0 : https://discord.com/channels/1203527044957208596/1206592567622373446/12...
continuation
pastel harness
ok now I'm looking for U+1d0d and I have no idea how. I saw it's been gotten but idk how to get much past having the letters on the end
I have U+1d
ok nvm I got it now
trim pond
got random two U+xxxx in one element
chilly fulcrum
happens
chilly fulcrum
idk how ot get unicode 11.0 tho
like unicode 11 + 11.0 is of no help
ah ok
using unicode 1 from unicode 10.0
wheee
pastel harness
anyone know how to get ṇ? On the sheet it says one of the components is next unicode but the other element is missing but it says it's been gotten
chilly fulcrum
I see
which codepoint is that
I’ll have a look
hmm its not ticked on the sheet
the capital is though
and the recipe is ̇ + Next Unicode
where ̇ is combining dot above
(0307)
chilly fulcrum
bruhhhh
why is getting weightlifting emoji so hard
it even gave me skin tone modifiers instead
would help if i could get the swimming emoji before it
anyone got the swimming emoji? i am not interested in following lineage for 1f3ca thats on the sheet
made all up to unicode 24.0
stuck there
the recipe for the swimming emoji says increment from 1fad7 to 1fae7... what incrementation tech was this?? it doesnt increment
hold on i m getting there
the model must have been so different back then oml
graceful marsh
Elaborate
chilly fulcrum
if you look at the recipe for the swimming emoji on the sheet - the manner in which it was obtained and the instructions given really seem to speak of a different time
if you try similar recipes
you dont really get anything near these it feels
but maybe it was just a one off random
for them too
but i need to get rid of that recipe and banish it from the sheet
its awful ive incremented up to 1fae2 now but im stuck - need 1fae7 to combine with whale emoji
and my "cheat code" for emoji incrementation may have broke since whatever happened last wekk
ey theres 1fae7
out of nowhere
must have found the recipe they sued
graceful marsh
I have some thoughts about what this change means
I'll need to do a bit more research first but it might be something adjacent to quantisation without actual quantisation
chilly fulcrum
cause i can tell you now i was not gonna get to that
can you link me something on that? seems interesting but its not something i know about
graceful marsh
Which part?
chilly fulcrum
quantisation and the effects
graceful marsh
Uh...
Let me see
chilly fulcrum
but we need to get rid of that god awful recipe
graceful marsh
This might be a bit involved but it covers most of the necessary info
Ignore the second half about post-quantisation calibration, that's not relevant
chilly fulcrum
okay - do you study this formally or is this just a hobby thing you taught yourself? my friend is doing like an ai major at uni
damn couldnt use my cheat code to increment to 1f3cb from 1f3ca
graceful marsh
Hobbyist
My field is social studies, which includes sociolinguistics, and a research project I was doing pulled me into language models
"Social studies", hah, I'm such a pretentious ass
I do politics. There, that's better
chilly fulcrum
well it seems like you learned a lot - i always find it a bit daunting to go in kinda blind - i do much better with like formal teaching and only then i could maybe do a little extension
graceful marsh
I don't touch the actual code part of all of it, that's beyond me
But the theory all makes sense
chilly fulcrum
yeah sure that sounds really cool if you have a starting point for me i will look into it one day
graceful marsh
Starting point for language models?
Depends what part you want to look into to be honest
pastel harness
wait how do I get the N thing
graceful marsh
N low dot?
chilly fulcrum
you use the recipe which is Next Unicode + (combining dot above) (also in sheet)
its hard to see
but there is a charatcer there
its U+0307
graceful marsh
So Rubiks slight problem with that
This is what's shown
But you're not allowed to copy-paste the characters to check what they are
graceful marsh
chilly fulcrum
thats annoying
is there an option to enable copy paste but still not be able to edit?
i can ask ray
graceful marsh
Yes
Because that's called Viewing permission
This is something that isn't on by default
chilly fulcrum
does that also enable file download?
graceful marsh
Yes, though I'm not sure why that's a problem
chilly fulcrum
for others to run code on
to check what they have that isnt in the sheet
its annoying to fork up the most recent copy each and every time
graceful marsh
I may be misunderstanding you but what does that mean
"Fork up the most recent copy"
chilly fulcrum
download sheets and send it to them
graceful marsh
Oh
Yeah no it'll allow you to just do that yourself
Like I did when I made the Lookup Table
chilly fulcrum
maybe we can ask the more knowledgeable programmers if theres a way to hook it up to a live database therefore dont have to download every time
okay
yeah did we have to send the files to u then? i forgor
chilly fulcrum
interesting
if you know the exact settings you can put in the admin thread yourself but yeah thanks for bringing that to my attention
graceful marsh
I have no idea
Regardless, my laundry's out of the oven now so I should sleep
Bonne nuit
chilly fulcrum
okay
spring minnow
maybe we can ask the more knowledgeable programmers if theres a way to hook it u...
ideally we would just pull from mika's database but idk what is going on with that. is it still broken? and i'm not sure if we can have access to it
pastel harness
id not work
pastel harness
I'm not sure what to do now
abstract marsh
try alot of tools, more than 50 i guess...
chilly fulcrum
How about the recipe on the sheet for it
Oh nice how did you get it if it’s easier I won’t hesitate to put it in
In quotes may be tough
I will try tho
chilly fulcrum
U+++1fa idk how u get them stuff all the time for the unicode utils but even now incrementing was nerfed you still can get the codes its cool
abstract marsh
oh u mean this?
there's some i didnt able to get, i just skip them and do smth else for better time used
chilly fulcrum
checkmate? got this instead
yeah but in general you find those really well i dont exploit the +++ enough
but i will be forced to now
because U+++1 just forces you into +++ land
oh no
99+ has returned
hangul 😬
abstract marsh
because U+++1 just forces you into +++ land
i had many of those :>
oh yeah some are just this long
abstract marsh
99+ has returned
who's cooking again 👀
chilly fulcrum
native editors for hangul/cjk wen
abstract marsh
i cant read em... just gonna copy paste to check if i had em
chilly fulcrum
yeah but like with the "words"
thats when it is beyond me
single character is ok
but like if it is the word for frog im not gonna know that
abstract marsh
yeah i wont either :v
chilly fulcrum
new update nerfed all my cheat codes
so cringe
1f3ca and b are now like ... impossibru
abstract marsh
what kind of lineage is that 😔
chilly fulcrum
I know I want to fix it
I didn’t put it there
it took me ages of guesswork to follow it
did you have Cyrillic to Unicode converter or any other converters like that
abstract marsh
checking to element and found these
idk why im getting the Love Letter to Mr. Cyrillic Dogra either
out of all, i guess that one is the new convert stuff
abstract marsh
well 🤣
spring minnow
An Input Tool has been implemented as a fast way to transfer recipes from console to sheet. If an editor wants to use it then DM me or request in #1217017057200050257.
chilly fulcrum
nice
pastel harness
chilly fulcrum
nice yeah some of your recipes from last few days i need to do - can you show me retroflex underdot and all those other things from last few days plz so i can add them
pastel harness
lemme make some room on my board
chilly fulcrum
do you have mbs? it has pannable board
abstract marsh
you can drag the board around and use empty area while used area will be dragged around without the element being deleted/smashed to one place
pastel harness
chilly fulcrum
awesome
pastel harness
is that a feature?
chilly fulcrum
do you have a list of the codes you made
pastel harness
I've never seen that in the options
chilly fulcrum
yeah its part of mbs
pastel harness
ah cool
I just tried it I never knew
I don't think I have any codes that are new
abstract marsh
i used it often when its a chain unicode
pastel harness
I've only wanted ones that people have gotten
mostly the letters with the dot below
chilly fulcrum
ah well there have been some characters youve posted in the last week or two right?
pastel harness
I thinmk they're all already made though
It's not the codes that I had different it's the other element that I made that was different not the code
abstract marsh
rubik, how would you do lineage for u+055a
note i alr revived it
chilly fulcrum
for the character?
abstract marsh
just the U+xxxx
chilly fulcrum
i wouldnt have made one but now since update incrementing is hard i guess i may have to
abstract marsh
the uppercase A is easy yeah
lowecase a however... fun
abstract marsh
i forgot which one i used but its still U+++xxxx
chilly fulcrum
umm
lethal nymph
cursed
abstract marsh
Yunikode
so messy one to have
i aint gonna use these tbh
Just give ME the goddamn U+056a already
abstract marsh
finally
chilly fulcrum
got U+056a0
abstract marsh
trying to complete armenian code block rn, as expected it do a little trolling
i havent seen recipe of Armenian Unicode
where in the world did they hide it
ok it was just Armenian Script + Unicode = Armenian Unicode
final sable
why on earth aren’t we just using Chromatic tech for <country> Unicode and Unicode <country> elements, tf? 😅
abstract marsh
you can try make them, so far i dont have any chromatic tech in my unicode save file
just simple .alphabet "alphabet" and some Mr. tech as well as #tech
final sable
maybe Mr. tech is just as good, idk because I don’t use it, but using recipes like Armenian Script + Unicode is WILD
AWWO would have our heads if they found out 🤣
lethal nymph
i have some recipes for that
chilly fulcrum
the lowercase?
final sable
it hasn’t been put in the sheet ofc it isn’t in the bot xD
final sable
nata if you’ve got lowercase xi Imma be a n g e r y
lethal nymph
what emoji does it have
chilly fulcrum
also nata perms were changed you can now download the sheets urself
no more needing to ask us
final sable
likewise if the bot has it I will be a n g e r y at the bot
chilly fulcrum
so you can keep it up to date
abstract marsh
maybe Mr. tech is just as good, idk because I don’t use it, but using recipes li...
because Georgian Unicode was also made like that
Georgian Script + Unicode = Georgian Unicode
thats why i kinda figured it out
final sable
what emoji does it have
idk just google Greek small letter xi unicode and paste it into your element search bar, sorry
chilly fulcrum
it has the thinking emoji
lethal nymph
yea i have it
chilly fulcrum
nice
final sable
because Georgian Unicode was also made like that
Georgian Script + Unicode = Geo...
right, but that just pushes the fuckery down the line a little, to <country> Script
lmao so two people had lowercase phi for ages and just didn’t realise or tell anyone xD
chilly fulcrum
pretty normal
final sable
meanwhile we have a bot that tells you your unicodes not in the sheet bahaha
chilly fulcrum
like i guarantee the weightlifting emoji has been found
but it evades all my attempts especially since model changed
chilly fulcrum
sure you can look at the type of recipes used on sheet - its a lot of random stuff since thats what you get thrown a lot but theres also a lot of name use
final sable
Emoji For
chilly fulcrum
umlauts as well
lethal nymph
for xi i have these
chilly fulcrum
idk making something with the word emoji in it is hard
final sable
NOOOOOOOO
abstract marsh
right, but that just pushes the fuckery down the line a little, to `<country> Sc...
if only they all are willing to work :p
final sable
I thought I was the first discoverer of xi 😭
chilly fulcrum
i do have current emoji
final sable
PLEASE don’t tell me you have uppercase omicron too nata
chilly fulcrum
abstract marsh
considering nata's bruteforce, he might had :v
lethal nymph
039f?
final sable
ye
chilly fulcrum
i made "prepend U+1f3cb" but i couldnt make it with anything out the front to remove
lethal nymph
037f - 03ff is being crawled
chilly fulcrum
it just give nothing every time if i try
final sable
037f - 03ff is being crawled
did you get xi by crawling?
chilly fulcrum
stupid update
lethal nymph
yea
final sable
WOO
chilly fulcrum
increased Nothing frequency so much
final sable
okay so I still have some claim to ξ yay
because if you have an element but don’t even realise you have it I don’t think that really counts as a “discovery” xD
lethal nymph
cause it wasn't fd
chilly fulcrum
well you can realise but you also can not realise its not in any db
lethal nymph
ive only been checking for fds since no sheet
chilly fulcrum
no sheet?
abstract marsh
its not on sheet
chilly fulcrum
ohh
okay well i mean only checking fd is easier for sure we need to ask star or someone to find out how to hook this to a live db
final sable
okay well i mean only checking fd is easier for sure we need to ask star or some...
I mean the script is fine surely, no?
especially since now everyone can download the sheet
script needs to be in the pinned message tbh
chilly fulcrum
its still cumbersome
final sable
its still cumbersome
how?
chilly fulcrum
it would be much easier to just be able to make a request
instead of download every single time
final sable
it would be much easier to just be able to make a request
I disagree
chilly fulcrum
the code could make a request quite easily to the db
lethal nymph
wonder if i can pull from sheet automatically now that it can be downloaded
final sable
yeah ofc your proposal would be better, but that’s doesn’t discredit how good the script is
abstract marsh
yup i totally wanted that 😭
chilly fulcrum
sigma
the script is fine it only needs a small tweak to connect to a db
i can even add such a method to do this in anticipation
final sable
well you can realise but you also can not realise its not in any db
I’m wondering why you said “any db”—we only have one comprehensive db, the sheet??
lethal nymph
oh yea rubiks can you try this ich patch to see if middleclick still behaves inconsistently
abstract marsh
rabbit experiment
chilly fulcrum
well its not absolute
i still find things occasionally that are in other places but not this one
load time was like 5s
i thought you couldnt override it
yeah it works nice - rendering is gona slightly choppy but no way i can see for sure thats not a browser/pc thing - my setup does this thing a lot where if a make a new element and move the mouse quickly and its in 'choppy rendering mode' im gonna call it, it 'forgets' to render the new element till you move your mouse again
but i cant thanos snap glitch anymore
chilly fulcrum
oh okay'
abstract marsh
yes i totally wanted Armenian Caucasian codeblock
chilly fulcrum
idk i havent been able to
lethal nymph
what i did is basically making middleclick use the same function as doubleclick
final sable
i still find things occasionally that are in other places but not this one
okay just so I know, are there any other places besides the sheet, the bot, the browser, and discord search?
chilly fulcrum
theres browser, theres also an emoji bounty which has some things too
and i guess if its a language there may be a bounty for that too
final sable
yes i totally wanted ~~Armenian~~ Caucasian codeblock
racism tech, LLMs have racial bias so it could work 👀
chilly fulcrum
yeah it does this sometimes but when you initially pick up an element the rendering is not smooth
i can after the initial 0.3s lag move it around at 203948230984 kmh and it renders perfectly
abstract marsh
racism tech, LLMs have racial bias so it could work 👀
im literally suffering yet progressing on different path than i originally wanted
chilly fulcrum
it kinda in the first bit teleports to you mouse
lethal nymph
yea it also does that over here
lethal nymph
i should benchmark element dragging too
chilly fulcrum
still "trivial"
final sable
I love when I go down an hour-long rabbit hole in Infinite Craft and when I finally get out of it I’m like … what tF was I doing? 🤣
chilly fulcrum
setup is consistent now tho
final sable
then again I have cognitive memory deficits soo
lethal nymph
yea there's a 1 second delay when picking elements
chilly fulcrum
i see
yeah my mouse is on the far left here
it is forgetting to update position
it resumes remembering when i move mouse
seems to work best with things from sidebar
the delay is especially high
does it only sometimes
sometimes delay is not enough for it to forget
ok well yeah weightlifting emoji im sure exists
the swimming emoji recipe is hell
and update hasnt helped either
abstract marsh
I love when I go down an hour-long rabbit hole in Infinite Craft and when I fina...
much better than me aiming to get x codeblock being done but got thrown into xy codeblock which is u+xxxxx instead...
thanks...
final sable
some day I’m going to optimise the Greek unicode block and it’s going to be GLORIOUS
chilly fulcrum
woah actually big brain
final sable
thanks now I realise that there’s no reason for “ei” to make the sound “ay” in “weight”, I hate it 👍
abstract marsh
U+056x be giving unicode but not its own code block....
( some does though )
final sable
you’d think with humanities collective intellect that there would be a common language with a phonetically consistent alphabet by now but NOPE
all we’ve got is IPA I think and that reads like hyroglyphics
we need to boycott the word ‘though’ Ive had ENOUGH
abstract marsh
:<
final sable
and ‘queue’, like WHAT
chilly fulcrum
you know today i realised how now we say it all the time eleven twelve thirteen fourteen fifteen... you dont even realise you are switching between two systems at 13-14
that has no reason to exist
but you dont even notice anymore
abstract marsh
huh?
chilly fulcrum
like
14-19
is fourteen
you then kinda die at 15
but then back to normal again
sixteen
seventeen
etc
tbf i forgot about 15 see it proves my point i didnt even notice
abstract marsh
rubik, can u try the crazy tech to get unicode of u+0563
imma take a break for now
chilly fulcrum
what crazy tech is this
abstract marsh
anything thats not normal to use
chilly fulcrum
damn gonna have to get used to lineage making tools in the new mbs i got
hmm ok
weightlifter vs everything with emoji in my save
damn so close
need Remove The Variants
final sable
you know today i realised how now we say it all the time eleven twelve thirteen ...
it’s coz people used to count in 12s instead of 10s
so 11 and 12 were digits so they had their own names
latent lily
where do you see this?
chilly fulcrum
unicode analyser
any will do
i had a "cheat code" for emojis and was flying through till update
oh and of course this actually modifies the emoji of all things
plus or minus???? are you serious????
final sable
is blue weightlifting emoji what you were going for?
final sable
ah
final sable
what happens when you combine the red and the blue?
chilly fulcrum
nothing useful
ooh wow
not a cutoff - just i guess the locale doesnt have this an emoji
like female modifier for a flexed bicep makes no sense here because its inherently genderless
but i guess how would it know
it just swapped them out
to it its just as normal as the other - but we see a messed up combo of emojis i guess
latent lily
omg equals sign!!1!! (real)
chilly fulcrum
michael phelps + unicode = new fd variant of swimming emoji
final sable
you have Emojicode but not Emoji Unicode or Unicode Emoji lol
chilly fulcrum
uh huh
i dont know how to get them
they are used a lot
but i have no clue
its not easy to make
final sable
chromatic tech dude
chilly fulcrum
emoji doesnt stick to stuff
final sable
I’m sure it does
chromatic tech is way more versatile than you’re giving it credit for
chilly fulcrum
emoji and unicode are modifiers so yeah its hard - idk how to find such workarounds
chilly fulcrum
new update no help either
graceful marsh
"the Chromatic" + Emo + Emoji + Delete First Word works for "the Emoji"
I don't have "the Unicode" to check there
chilly fulcrum
happily it makes this
graceful marsh
Aha
final sable
hopefully Unicode Emoji is easier
graceful marsh
Huh
When'd I get this
chilly fulcrum
i doubt it personally - theres likely just good recipes for it
its an acient tech
i found a new recipe for swimming emoji
requires Swimator tho
which in turn required swimming emoji... id rather not build that
its not fd so there must be a decent recipe
it also requires unicode character finder (my tech i made on accident)
first time it ever did something
the lag is pretty bad since update
wont lie
graceful marsh
I don't think that's an update thing
Lag is same for me
chilly fulcrum
there are brief spurts of no recipe for 10-15 sec then all of a sudden it comes flooding in
its not like oh damn its down or anything its just every couple minutes new recipes take unusually long
graceful marsh
Hm
Unrelated question, do you touch curlies often?
chilly fulcrum
no
abstract marsh
rarely
chilly fulcrum
cumbersome to search for
also pain in the ass to unquote
generally just annoying
graceful marsh
also pain in the ass to unquote
About that
abstract marsh
unless it was used for something useful like
dogra unicode, Directly Next Unicode or stuff
graceful marsh
I'm having some interesting experiences with curlies now
Things... fall out
abstract marsh
i think you can exclude dogra unicode being weird behaviour suddenly appeared
cuz iirc this last few grind i kept getting send to u+xxxxx while doing u+xxxx
which was unicode of some aksara/language/similar stuff... which idk if its normal or not anymore
graceful marsh
Other notes I'm taking include a tendency for non-quote words to no longer stick to quote words (in the vein of "word1" + Word 2 = "word1 word2" and rather spontaneous word compression
Problematically none of this is simply explained by any reasonable update, and I'd guess that around 75% is just people noticing things more because they think they have an explanation for it
I still can't remember what that cognitive bias is called.
Any help Gems?
chilly fulcrum
Okay well I can tell you for sure new behaviour
now, U+xxxx + U+++1 has a tendency to equal U+++xxxx (or xxxx + 1)
This never happened before I swear not once
Nothing results also seem to be much more frequent
but can’t prove that
graceful marsh
The second would be expected with quantisation
The former... eh?
abstract marsh
oh yeah... it does that too, i thought i wasbeing unlucky
chilly fulcrum
Right you sent something about that before a link but I had exam after and didn’t check oops
graceful marsh
Ah
I mean to put it simply it's just making the numbers in the tokenisation weights less precise
chilly fulcrum
I’d like to read though in what that precisely means and it’s effects but I may have to start from a more introductory point - it’s why I like courses they do just this
chilly fulcrum
nothing feels worse than reading and realising you don’t understand anything - kinda like how I felt when I started this and had to madly catch up
I will read it though if you reckon I can take it
one other question - wtf even is a nothing
like from the model
what does that even mean
graceful marsh
Either the actual word nothing or a failure to generate output, presumably
chilly fulcrum
for a non general ai I’d imagine it’s like the outputs are way spread, but this is just from imagining those digit recognition ones where they output something for every digit
and the number is somewhat related to how sure it is that the number is that
so I was imagining ah the outputs must be just totally unsure but that isn’t how this works
graceful marsh
Well devil's advocate, say it does reject any probability below some certain threshold, with enough spread that could happen
chilly fulcrum
Well in this context it doesn’t make sense
This isn’t a digit recognition
Like what am I gonna do assign an output probability to every string possible?
graceful marsh
Yes
Every token
chilly fulcrum
I meant like all combinations
literally every string ever would need its own probability in my mind
But I guess token may make sense if it’s gradual
like iterative
sage wren
what the fuck are you two talking about
chilly fulcrum
As in it’s aware of the output it’s made thus far
graceful marsh
what the fuck are you two talking about
You
chilly fulcrum
I guess it has to be
otherwise how would it make coherent words
if it didn’t know what it just wrote
abstract marsh
what the fuck are you two talking about
im eating and im not enjoying it
graceful marsh
So yeah, Niko works by looking at what has come before, assigning a weight to each token before through some attention mechanism, and using that to predict the next token
That's it
chilly fulcrum
right so if the probabilities are just really whack
and if there was a threshold where if the maximum was below a certain amount it just refuses
graceful marsh
There is also another potential issue with quantisation, in that, if done improperly, you can end up with tokenisation weights that are NaNs
graceful marsh
Bad normalisation
In making the values less precise, some of the higher values get floating pointed to infinity
chilly fulcrum
Floating point can go die
graceful marsh
Then you divide them out to get them as probabilities and whoopsie that's not a valid operation
chilly fulcrum
Yeah I see
so that would end up in like an illegal token
where you read that btw - anywhere specific or just stuff you’ve picked up over time
graceful marsh
PB found that out after we tried making a homemade Infinite Craft as an experiment
graceful marsh
Well we didn't get very far because of said problem
He downloaded the weights, put them in something (can't remember) and then tested out summing the token vectorisations
It sorta worked, but also threw up a lot of nonsense
chilly fulcrum
code wise I guess too that’s a lot lol
graceful marsh
Wait shit this isn't the Lab
chilly fulcrum
Real
graceful marsh
I was wondering why you were the only one here
sage wren
Wait shit this isn't the Lab
i thought you would've realised this sooner
chilly fulcrum
yeah I’m just coping with not being able to make inroads on 1f3ca/cb
apart from swimator + Unicode character finder
graceful marsh
i thought you would've realised this sooner
Look when people ask technical things my brain falls into a ravine and doesn't come back
chilly fulcrum
True same
Forgot to mention but Johny found a few Unicodes during dead tests
with Nothing
so like Nothing + U+xxxx = character and it’s the only known recipe
lmao
graceful marsh
Powerful
lethal nymph
that's why i test with ?
i trash the output though so i wouldn't know if i find a new unicode with that
that's probably not a good idea but too late
chilly fulcrum
oh you don’t save
graceful marsh
No! = sign! How could you
sage wren
Forgot to mention but Johny found a few Unicodes during dead tests
i think it'd be funny if the found unicodes had no other known recipes even months later so the only way to get it is to cheat
graceful marsh
Technically we could just get nothing
sage wren
what about NOTHING
sage wren
right if all caps is found why is laurasia only saying lowercase .. seems discriminatory
graceful marsh
I hate capitalists
sage wren
I hate capitalists
that's why you're lower class
abstract marsh
this is funny
trim pond
anyone knows the recipe for U+867?
chilly fulcrum
the codepoint?
trim pond
no, exactly what I wrote
sage wren
no, exactly what I wrote
U+867? then!
chilly fulcrum
I haven’t done much with 3 digits
trim pond
because I am starting to believe it is not possible
chilly fulcrum
Unfortunately it seems incrementing got harder
chilly fulcrum
Jenny?
chilly fulcrum
sorry I am not familiar lol
trim pond
neither was I. Just search 867 jenny
graceful marsh
What
Ended up with this trying to get it
chilly fulcrum
What is that ew
graceful marsh
String.prototype.reverse() + U+0786 = ⵆ
Tifinagh Letter Tuareg Yakh
trim pond
maybe with U+0768, that is actually reverse
chilly fulcrum
Loss of reliable incrementstion hurts to bad
trim pond
yeah
graceful marsh
Let me check codepoints also jesus christ it is pouring out there
I see no relation
2D46
chilly fulcrum
I like heavy rain - later I could tell you all about 24-27 feb 2022
trim pond
like for some reason this can easily be made, but just U+867 not 😦
lethal nymph
it's not too bad
trim pond
thanks. I didn't think of using mr.
lethal nymph
yea i have fd on that mr
twin bay
I have his family 🔫
graceful marsh
Oh
lethal nymph
adopted
abstract marsh
ok that is weird... cant get u+867 the normal way 😵💫
lilac maple
Unicode Character 🧿 (U+1F9FF)
misty cargo
apparently Î is missing
https://ib.zptr.cc/item/01j01ccwn3jj0bzy7fb4frcb2s here is the way i got it
abstract marsh
i find Unicode Lepcha interesting
U+0550 + Unicode Lepcha = 𑜐
which is U+11710
idk the old behaviour but now its useful to get random unicode... until i understand whats going on
chilly fulcrum
Wow very efficient lineage no string no U+ like you barely have unicode itself by the time you get it
abstract marsh
oh yeah Unicode lepcha finally giving its unicode too... when was Unicode Lepcha made...
who the hell get u+0501 but not u+0500
Nvm it trolls
abstract marsh
after abit of crafting finally i got the U+11680
+0.7% progress since last time i checked... not bad now imma rest
lilac maple
Unicode Character Ú (U+00DA) #1248708518609944616 message for lowercase in quotes
misty cargo
id67k what korean letter this is
graceful marsh
Check soncole
lethal nymph
robust sparrow
would you look at that , all 3 letter combos are done
final sable
and this is the 1 character “combos” project 😂
maybe if we restrict to all letters from all alphabets that’d be a nice manageable subgoal 🤔
abstract marsh
selective 1 character
if we include unassigned character
consider the project's goal multiplied
final sable
I’m still not convinced this project (assigneds) is even possible, but time will tell
I don’t think we can expect llama2 to know anything at all about the very most obscure unicode characters 🤷♂️
abstract marsh
tbh we alr got some impossible ( plus banned ) unicode to have...
imma still do per block for consistency run ( and getting thrown to other block as usual )
final sable
tbh we alr got some impossible ( plus banned ) unicode to have...
that… is contradictory 😅
chilly fulcrum
still looking for emoji unicode and unicode emoji
was hoping they were old enough to be in bot
obv not
final sable
I tried and I think the update nerfed Chromatic tech, I hadn’t played in like a week ;-;
unintentional nerf, obviously
if you decide to use Chromatic-like type tech then it looks like the best way to go about it would be "the X Unicode" + Emoji + Delete The X
for some X
for example I have Delete The Aged and stuff
you can usually get new Delete The X elements by just chucking X at all your existing Delete The Y elements
likewise it would be "the X Emoji" + Unicode + Delete The X for some X
chilly fulcrum
yeah sadly the tech is nerfed for that it adds words far less often
chilly fulcrum
okay i have the element G with breve
can i use it like that guy did tho
idk id need like hungarian breve accent or something
trail wagon
would you look at that , all 3 letter combos are done
you have awoken me
abstract marsh
seems normal
lethal nymph
pretty sure i have that
thin warren
it was just U+30FB + Middle Dot
lethal nymph
idk
abstract marsh
whenever i see c replaced by k in the tools i shared....
brain doesnt like it but its funny
final sable
all mathematical bold letters
🎉 post this in https://discord.com/channels/1203527044957208596/1208450449636855848 too
night dragon
all mathematical bold letters
"𝐀lphabet" when?
lethal nymph
fffd
slate whale
ok so how to i make this into U+1f5e3
dusky lynx
U+, Mr/mrs u+
slate whale
thanks
trim pond
I recommend combining it with U+, U+0, U+1, U+2, U-1, U-, U-0, Prepend U+0, Prepend U+0000, Mr./Mrs. U, Mr./Mrs. U+, Mr./Mrs. U+0, Prepend Plus, Prepend Plus Sign
usually some of them work. obviously you need to remove the Mr. Mrs. if you go that way
trim pond
Ok so... I found and/or revived every U+xxx element.
chilly fulcrum
next ascii
invert fromcharcode is not something i have
slate whale
its an old tool kali found
its #invert + fromcharcode
and then you coulg get this too
trim pond
or just make em
Just made them, yeah
chilly fulcrum
cool
slate whale
idk if next ascii stops
trim pond
also I could share the recipes for all of them, but only in the form of a text file containing all of my recipes
chilly fulcrum
next ascii? thats new
trim pond
or if anyone would like my savefile or would like to run it through a program or smth I can provide stuff
chilly fulcrum
did you note them down or run code through your file
trim pond
I just write down all of my recipes for discoveries. didn't run any code through it
chilly fulcrum
whew
night dragon
anyone tried getting angzarr yet?
i got fd for the word so idk
"an"+"g"+"za"+"rr"+"rr"+ delete last character+delete the hyphen
candid trellis
pov you tryna make unicode
chilly fulcrum
What
nah what are you doing
How does that even occur
two pluses, a space, and a .1
I could see the .1 and maybe 3 pluses
but the space… gg got me there
candid trellis
chilly fulcrum
U++ isn’t what I try normally
spice lark
uhh, there are a bunch of codepoints missing on the sheet
nvm found them im just dumb they were organized separately
lethal nymph
car
abstract marsh
Ca
candid trellis
nvm found them im just dumb they were organized separately
Could there be like a row in place of the removed ones to explain like which ones got removed?
makes it more obvious
abstract marsh
unassigned unicode doesnt have its own list as its too much, only some were recorded
for other... its probs in different sheet
candid trellis
yeah but if you get a unicode randomly you gotta check every tab (and some
times it takes a while to load the one you want in a tab)
golden ferry
Ü = ALT + Ui found something kinda random
sage wren
and Alt + Ü = ü lol
golden ferry
Alt + U = Ü
Alt + Y = ¥
Alt + A = Æ
sage wren
yes oddly Alt does some stuff when you throw letters at it
lethal nymph
who got lazy
i'll setup sheet check and give a big file tomorrow cause i need to sleep now (4am moment)
golden ferry
mongus
stable verge
```Ü = ALT + U```i found something kinda random
hmmm thats a AFWWM request rn
literally it is one on the list
golden ferry
hmmm thats a AFWWM request rn
the among us unicode?
stable verge
and the one that i replied
golden ferry
i'm trying to find a recipe for it
stable verge
no but let me try
chilly fulcrum
input tool is so op i used it to input all the recipes from the 2 alphabets you got @thin warren all at once 😮
thin warren
oh nice
chilly fulcrum
yeah it is very cool
thin warren
i saw you resolved them all pretty quickly
chilly fulcrum
the most time consuming part was resolving the comments lmao
not putting them in or anything
i guess making the elements took more time but thats ok
but yeah it lets you copy paste direct from console
chilly fulcrum
all recent recipes since update
it just gives poop emoji charcode now
for some reason
it used ot just give poop emoji
slate whale
Why would first 2 give combinations give this result
chilly fulcrum
not really much reason - but ther thing is if you are dealing with anything U+ it very often gives like the laughing emoji
and also the poop emoji
i guess this is just another way to say "poop emoji"
slate whale
Tbh i dont remember getting poop emojies next to my u+
chilly fulcrum
not next to the U+ i mean like the actual poop emoji character
poop
which by the way is in fact U+1f4a9
slate whale
I see
abstract marsh
all recent recipes since update
yeah same thing happened
primal maple
it smallcaps
golden ferry
oh you got the other one too
i was trying to find a recipe for it because it doesn't have one
chilly fulcrum
next its gonna start giving the UTF-8 of the poop emoji
lethal nymph
you mean fullwidth
chilly fulcrum
okay
okay time to do the middle dot recipe..
@thin warren you got good recipe for middle dot?
i am confused
"the Middle" = not fd
"the Middle" + dot or any of the U+0020 tools = fd
"the chromatic middle dot" = fd
"the middle dot" = not fd
what
how
lethal nymph
"the Middle" + "the Dot"?
chilly fulcrum
= "the Dot in the Middle"
lethal nymph
real
chilly fulcrum
maybe string.append(' ') i heard thats decently good
and yeah if you add that to itself you get a double spaced element
string.append(' ')
goofy
made weightlifter emoji only for it to not help at all lmoa
chilly fulcrum
anyone willing to try like normal elements and words + unicode phonetic
see if anything pops up
Motorcyle + Unicode Phonetic = 1f3cd new not on sheet as an excample
lethal nymph
define normal
chilly fulcrum
something youd expect a normal player might find i guess? but dont feel too restricted
nouns or adjectives
id say mostly
ngl why is my U+ or - sometimes doing things
woah
current unifont
future unifont
holy hell
clutch??
they both took down 1f3d7
ineffective against 1f394 and 1f3ca cb
1f3d5 has a recipe which is incorrect
it produces 1f3d6
chilly fulcrum
fixed it with future unifont
final sable
how
the person must have used Chromatic-like tech but not Chromatic itself
maybe Aged
or Append or Prepend
or “the Middle” + D + Dot or “the Middle” + Do + Dot I suppose
there’s always more than one way to skin a cat xD
chilly fulcrum
yeah idk names just dont help unless you arent me it seems - doesnt really matter what i do if i write out the name of the emoji it no worky
lol
alright man
😬 biden you better run
emoji desciptifier
final sable
who tf hates directly next to the beach ._.