DewardianDev's Mods

[coarse nimbus]

Question, if I wanted to say add more hotzones is it as simple as adding them into the mapconfig?

[sour karma]

IIRC yes, you just have to know the in-game names for the zones. some of them are .. strange

[coarse nimbus]

Ok cool, so like ZoneScavBase etc

[summer pasture]

Switched from Swag+Donuts to Moar recently.
Is there a way to make a custom preset that is selected by default every time?

I tried adding another preset to the config file which doesn't show up in the dropdown menu for presets in f12 menu.
Ok whatever, so I just changed the live-like preset to be my 'custom' because at least that shows up and was empty to begin with.

Now how do I change it from selecting random by default so I don't have to go into the f12 menu every time the server starts?

ehh I guess I can just make the preset weighting be 100 and all of the others 0 nvm 🤷‍♂️

[paper grove]

yes, do that, thats what I did

or like... 99 for my "live" one and then the raider and boss invasion ones have super low chances.

[daring star]

I'm still working on it guys. Not sure what build collin is using, but i've been sick the past couple days, so that's why I've been MIA. My build does compile fine, and I have a working DLL. Im just ironing out some server side stuff right now

if you want to follow the builds they're here:

https://github.com/LoganSMiller/MOAR/tree/MOAR-Refactor

https://github.com/LoganSMiller/MOAR-Client/tree/MOAR-Refactor

I was hoping to have a working version for the weekend but i got really sick from my kids, and ran head first into some server logic issues that i've been ironing out

[remote dagger]

If that's the case, then make a release so people can try out your latest changes

We've had 2 people try to compile your code, which required changes to start, but then there were exceptions thrown on loading into a raid

[daring star]

So a couple of things from me:

1. This version of MOAR should be treated as a 'new' mod. It is built upon the original MOAR logic and ideals, but has been rewritten from the ground up, both client and server side. Why this matters for me, because i have expansion plans in the future for a MOAR + that has bot logic, among other things.

2. I will only release this when it's complete. I released a half backed patch job in the past, and I refuse to do that again. I don not want players being my testers. I want to realease a feature complete and functioning mod.

I promise you guys, I will release MOAR-Refactored when it's ready, and I'm working on it every single day. I'm sorry for such a long delay. ❤️

[snow bough]

The impatience bro, "then make a release", or how about Spock makes a release when he's ready for people to test it? Damn

[remote dagger]

Its not impatience. Im not even playing right now lol. I just know several people want to help test.

[uneven wind]

FWIW, there's no need for demands. If you have an issue with others on the forum, speak to a staff member.

I'm half of the mind to lock this until Dewar is back.

[spring marlin]

Call it Even MOAR

There's no need to hurry though, there's already a build of moar that mostly works on 3.11 and acids spawning mod
Make sure you actually recover first

[fervent holly]

In Collin's defense - I was also under the impression that Spock wanted us to test it, and there was no release so we asked for one.

I'll just hold off then.

In fact he did make a release at first and asked for testing...

[sage reef]

any idea how to stop MOAR from shortening the raid timer and from selecting a random preset everytime? I keep trying to change the settings in the f12 menu and have even edited the config directly on my server but no idea why its doing all that

[sour karma]

it will always select a random preset; if you want one preset to be selected every time, change the weightings of all the other presets to 0 in the config files on the server mod.

the F12 menu is only for temporarily changing settings. any time the server is restarted, whatever settings exist in the server mod config files will be loaded.

[sage reef]

i see

[sour karma]

unless you want to be selecting a specific preset every time you launch the game via F12

[sage reef]

yeah no i get the idea now

so best course of action is to modify one preset as we please and then make it weigh the most while all else are 0

thanks

[sour karma]

shortening the raid timer is just a thing MOAR does. the only way to stop it from doing that is to remove MOAR.

[sage reef]

understood

[sour karma]

i believe it allows raid times up to 200 minutes or something like that. maybe 120.

[sage reef]

seems it locked it to 720

which is like 12 hours so im not too pained about it

still weird that factory only said 1 hour tho

no biggie

[summer pasture]

Has anyone tried running moar and donuts together or is it a bad idea all around?
I had the idea that donuts could handle the initial spawns and despawning features since it's client side and then moar could take over with the dynamic wave system after on the server side. I'm probably going to test it either way but was just wondering if there is some obvious conflicts that would happen that I'm unaware of.

My idea is to set all pmc wave count in moar to 0 to have starting pmcs handled by donuts randomly spawned on the map. Then have moar using the cascading system for scav spawning 🤷‍♂️

[uneven wind]

Good luck. Sounds like a recipe for nothing working.

[summer pasture]

Most likely

or way to many bots

[paper grove]

lmk how that shakes out, tbh I'd love some sort of despawning.

[summer pasture]

Super late reply but yeah it didn't work out. As expected 😅

[weary nimbus]

Hi. this error is repeating ad infinitum in my headless install and i can't figure out why. Is there any clue in this log that could help me diagnose it? The only thing i get is seeing "MOAR" in it

2025-04-22 17:42:41.779 +08:00|0.15.5.1.33420|Error|Default|
EXCEPTION: System.NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object
at MOAR.Plugin.Update () [0x00001] in <b011c10afdc146628bdf07c9774ce63f>:0
2025-04-22 17:42:41.779 +08:00|0.15.5.1.33420|Error|Default|NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object
MOAR.Plugin.Update () (at <b011c10afdc146628bdf07c9774ce63f>:0)
UnityEngine.DebugLogHandler:LogException(Exception, Object)
Class410:UnityEngine.ILogHandler.LogException(Exception, Object)
UnityEngine.Debug:CallOverridenDebugHandler(Exception, Object)

[drowsy inlet]

are you on 3.10?

i had Object reference error when there was mod desync between server and client, maybe look into it

[weary nimbus]

yea i'm on 3.10.5

The weird thing is, no one is on the server, the dedicated headless client is just spawning this error on its own

[summer pasture]

This is a runtime error that happens when a variable that was set doesn't have an initial value. It's extremely common. Could be due to the player being null, the spawn point being null, etc. Either way though I would recheck you installed the mod correctly because if it was a mistake on the devs part nobody would be able to run it. Make sure you put the user/mod part only on the server side and the bepinex/plugins part on the headless client.

[brave marten]

Sorry i know this is 3 months old. I'm still running 3.10.5 and all the crates being technical crates is kinda annoying. Does the default config from this solve that? Anything I need to do in SVM first like "Spawn all containers", recommended load order, etc

[primal thicket]

No

[brave marten]

No to both or 2nd question only?

[brittle rose]

Afaik that mod changed the contents, not the crate name.

[brittle rose]

Also I hope your IRL stuff is going well!!!

[primal thicket]

It did go well. Cheers

[primal thicket]

It just randomiZes the types. You can set the chance however you want in the config.
The randomization happens on raid start

[snow bough]

Glad to hear! Welcome back

[brave marten]

Thanks for clarifying!!

[primal thicket]

I have returned
I'll be working on mods this weekend
No promises for releases, but the following is on my todo list:
Moar/ALP updated
A mod that allows the creation of a completely custom/random quest campaign
A basic difficulty mod (like what props has made in the past).

Is SAIN out at all?

Perhaps I don't need to bother with the difficulty mod

[patent heart]

No. Solarint is gone.
No one is working on AI difficulty mod 😭

[primal thicket]

kk, I had it working well a few patches ago.

[patent heart]

You had mod for Ai difficulty?

[primal thicket]

yup. It was just a setting for MOAR at one point

But I removed it once sain was released for 3.9.8 I think

there was a 2 month period where sain wasn't up for the new version, so I built it as a stop gap

[patent heart]

Ahh ok. Well good luck.
As far as i know AI got reworked or restructured idk at all im dummy
And SAIN needs proper rebuild or smth similar.
No easy fix as i know

[primal thicket]

It was just a version of poop if you remember that, by props

[patent heart]

aa yeah i remember

[primal thicket]

Basically I had simplified/updated the poop code to do something similar

[patent heart]

well good luck. many many players MANY are waiting for AI difficulty mod, proper one, since Vanilla is ez or not interesting. So kinda dark tiems has come. ACID gave us some light with his awesome spawning system, but what goes to AI difficulty mod, no alternatives

[paper grove]

Dewar, when you have a moment could you explain how the spawn point add/removal works. For the life of me I havent been able to make it add or remove points at all. Caveat. I may be stupid.

[primal thicket]

you press the hotkey?

lol

[paper grove]

yes

lol

[primal thicket]

Then restart the server

you should see the new point added to your json

[paper grove]

I set up hotkeys, it tells me its adding/removing, I respin the server, no new dots, no removed dots.

[primal thicket]

dots?

[paper grove]

the spawn points with debug on, spheres

[primal thicket]

ah.

I'd check the json

That's a better indication

[paper grove]

ah ok

[primal thicket]

if you are not running on windows, that could be the issue

[paper grove]

nope on windows, but running with headless

[primal thicket]

oh

that should be fine I think

Check the server's json files for the points

See if one got added for your map

also if this is on a hacked version of 3.11, no support is offered

lol

[paper grove]

Gotcha. Can I also just manually add points in the json if I wanted?

[primal thicket]

sure you can

[paper grove]

nope havent gone to 311 yet

[primal thicket]

but if you are off by 1 you'll have issues

[paper grove]

off by 1?

[primal thicket]

ie if your numbers for the coordinates are off

It can cause you to fall through the world, or bots to spawn at fallback points

[paper grove]

ahh yeah I'd be grabbing them from dynamic maps, that has worked for me for spawnpoints for PTT. Though... theY and Z coords are flipped for that output.

[primal thicket]

Yeah, it's unity's vector 3 format

[primal thicket]

should I bother updating moar?
does acid intend to add custom spawnpoints?

I'd be happy to offload that madness

[paper grove]

so do I need to flip the coords from the dynamic maps output then? Same as for PTT spawns.

[primal thicket]

No idea, I don't use dynamic maps

😐

you could just try one and see the debug points in game

Also

just because you add a point with moar

doesn't mean it will show up in game

if it's near another point

My algo culls all points near to eachother

[paper grove]

yeah I saw that in the notes, that I understood 😄

[primal thicket]

and randomly chooses among them if they are close

Just check the json immediately after adding one.

that's the easiest way to see if it's working

[paper grove]

ok cool, I'll fuck about with it a bit more. I gave up last week cause I couldnt make it work and shooting things is more fun than playing server admin.

[patent heart]

Nooo idea. Im not rly playing SPT atm cuz no AI mod 😦

[primal thicket]

I won't be creating anything as crazy as sain.

Just something to add difficulty.

or allow customization of difficulty rather.

[patent heart]

understandable.

But MOAR was really advanced. Acid, has gui and some good features, but MOAR had custom spawns etc. So maybe you can ask Acid what is his intens, its always good to have options as consumer

[primal thicket]

yeah, but I'm also the consumer

lol

And if I'm not working on Moar I can work on more fun things

🙂

@brittle rose sorry to poke you,

Are you planning on adding spawnpoints to your bot spawning thing

[brittle rose]

Yeah eventually, it's on the to-do list later. I did some testing adding them before but I didn't need them yet

[primal thicket]

If you do that I will abandon moar

Can you do it soon 🙂

pressure but no pressure

Steal my code

[brittle rose]

[patent heart]

Ofc. ATM we need Sanity in our modders.

[primal thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/willj-oprah-oprah-winfrey-winfrey-you-get-a-car-gif-17345698352348330458

[brittle rose]

I figured out how to add them without causing invalid points errors in the logs

[patent heart]

https://tenor.com/view/raygun-raygunn-raygun-breakdance-raygun-breakdancing-breakdance-raygun-gif-3035521202497175510

[brittle rose]

I just haven't gotten to doing that cause I need to expand moving stuff to the client

[patent heart]

^^ acid doing breakdance modding everything he can

[primal thicket]

I want to move all the configs to the server

But yeah, I'll try to update moar, if it's hard. I'll let you just update your thing.

I like building new things

[primal thicket]

umm k

so I think moar is working

🤷‍♂️

that was dead simple

Need to confirm custom spawnpoints and what not

[primal thicket]

Any folks around for a test build

[heavy raft]

Im setting up my new server so lay it on me! Good timing

[primal thicket]

perf

Will build shortly

No promises! It's just a quick update on version and types for moar

I'll have alp up shortly as well

[kind drift]

I’ve actually got our server up in test mode specifically for this and AI refactored. Awaiting the 4.0 for a playthrough

[primal thicket]

ai refactored?

[brittle rose]

https://discord.com/channels/1202292159366037545/1363986109251588206

[primal thicket]

ah..

cutting edge might break 3.1.0

[heavy raft]

So couple things I found:

1. Without the Client BepinEx, using Dynamic Maps to see, Scavs are spawning in on top of PMCs groups and getting wiped

2. WITH the Client BepinEx I cant even load into Raid, lol I get this....

[primal thicket]

hmm

Which map

I only checked factorty

[heavy raft]

Lighthouse

[primal thicket]

k

Will check

ALP 5.5

[heavy raft]

May not be just scavs, I just saw a Bear spawn in probably 20m-ish from a USEC squad. So lets just saw the 'waves' might be really close, on lighthouse at least.

I'll load the client BepinEx back in and see how the other maps look

Well I get that same error regardless of the map, so I dont think its you. I literally duplicated my working test client, removed Acids mods DLL, the config, deleted the BepinEx cache. Same process on server (duplicate, then user/mods rather than BepinEx).

Any step I may have missed before I just redo a fresh setup?

wierd it works without the BepinEx, but always my luck, lol

[primal thicket]

I think there is an issue

But I'm not seeing a crash like you

I have a fresh install of 3.11

[heavy raft]

Just did a fresh client, same issue. Im going spin up a new server instance next

[primal thicket]

I haven't tried with fika

If that's what you're running

I'm running spt only for the moment

There may be a fika integration bug that I wouldn't be seeing

[heavy raft]

well of course I am using FIKA, LOL well that would explain it then. Pulling my hair out over here. Well, I will patiently wait for a FIKA build then!

I would say there is absolutely a bug when using FIKA, at least in the client file. without the client bepinex its pretty ok!

[fossil kernel]

@primal thicket welcome back Legend

[primal thicket]

Cheers bud

So moar is functional, but sniper spawns aren't working I think.

For spt only atm

I think there is a bug with the fika integration

Updated the above download.
Still haven't looked at fia

fika*

[spice mango]

https://github.com/Lacyway/SAIN
i see lacy and archangel have been working on this....🙃

[north breach]

oooh

[spice mango]

Still buggy af though. You've been warned....

[patent heart]

Lacy told me that he is not working on it cuz he has no time. Well maybe he found some.

[spice mango]

Lacy hasn't touched it since March so there's that

[patent heart]

Well. Maybe we will have alternatives, maybe we wont. :/

[primal thicket]

Hmm

[primal thicket]

My difficulty thing should be a good stop gap

[patent heart]

ure working on moar and AI difficulty thingy?

[primal thicket]

I am

Updating moar for 3.11 first

I'm about half way through the maps

customs/gz/shoreline/woods done

[primal thicket]

nice

.. just realized that 3.11 had way more spawnpoints

changed cull values, and have a nice spread on all maps

[primal thicket]

ALP 5.5.0-RC1
MOAR 3.1.0-RC1
ALP and MOAR updated

Haven't confirmed working with Fika yet

Testers for both needed
ALP has minor changes, mostly around boss loadouts, reducing changes there.
MOAR has updated spawns, has more spread out spawns, a bug fix that was causing performance spikes due to bot aggression.
Moar's custom snipers not currently working.

[earnest lodge]

-# I'd test, but I've not even bothered to update to 3.11 yet :>

[primal thicket]

No worries

I only just got an install yesterday

[primal thicket]

MOAR 3.1.0-RC2

Not tested with fika yet

Adds my version of a bot difficulty mod

Basically it adds POOP if you remember that by props

[primal thicket]

MOAR 3.1.0-RC3

don't use the previous

needs too much wrok

[primal thicket]

Confirmed working with fika

[jagged latch]

Siiiick excited to try it tomorrow

[ivory notch]

Any chance of a standalone poop plugin? No stress at all if this is too much headache, I appreciate the extra maintenance.

[primal thicket]

There's likely a bug with RC3, it works fine on my machine (that classic line) but others are seeing errors.
Will look at fixing it today

[ivory notch]

Actually scratch this I need a spawn mod anyway.

[jagged latch]

Thanks for letting me know!

[willow galleon]

I was going to give it a shot /w Fika after work

[primal thicket]

I'll ping here with RC 4 in a few gours

[outer sequoia]

Probably me being infact very stupid as always, but trying RC3 with a bunch of mods I seem to be getting a method not found error:
https://pastebin.com/8WrSz3xz
Running these mods in order:
https://pastebin.com/b3TQuSyX

[primal thicket]

This is known. Thanks for the logs though

[primal thicket]

spinning up rc4 now

working well for me

I removed some stuff

will see if that helps 🤷‍♂️

https://github.com/Andrewgdewar/MOAR/releases/tag/3.1.0-RC4

make sure you delete previous install completely

[rigid anvil]

what are the differences between MOAR and ABPS if you don't mind me asking? I'm relatively new to SPT so only ever used ABPS, but from the sound of it they both do roughly the same job?

[brittle rose]

Both spawning mods, do them differently

[rigid anvil]

ah coolcool, are there any reasons I should pick one over the other?

[uneven wind]

you are asking in one modders (MOAR) thread, and asking them both to answer? lol

[rigid anvil]

oh shit ahahah didn't realise who I was talking to

[brittle jacinth]

funny tho the one who answered isn't the modder of this thread

[brittle rose]

Yeah but Dewar makes good mods

[brittle jacinth]

very true

[brittle rose]

Use one, then remove it and use the other. It doesn't matter which one you end up using just use what you like

They both do the same function but very differently implemented

MOAR is probably more stable tbh, it's been around a lot longer

[rigid anvil]

👍 will do, wasn't intending to have you both pitch your mods for me lol, only trying to get a feel for the difference between them but I get that it's probably a bit more nuanced than a bulletpoint list "moar does x, abps does y"

[brittle jacinth]

still getting same method not found error like rc3

the one HanAti posted above

[primal thicket]

rc4 broken

just found the error

I was packaging the old 3.10 .dll

had to update a path for packaging

thus wwhy locally it was working fine for me

😦

[primal thicket]

eh.. I'm kinda hoping Acid implements spawn points so I can work on other things 😄

No pressure

https://tenor.com/view/bug-eyed-glare-angry-mad-samuel-l-jackson-gif-17825285

https://github.com/Andrewgdewar/MOAR/releases/download/3.1.0-RC5/DewardianDev-MOAR-3.1.0-RC5.zip

RC5 is out

With the packaging fix 😅

please try

cheers bye

And RC5 confirmed working for at least 1 dude

[brittle rose]

https://tenor.com/view/the-s-impsons-bush-homer-simpsons-homer-hiding-gif-4325800

Soon though

[hot isle]

Make that 2 dudes now edit: with fika and the headless client too

[jagged latch]

RC5 feels good. Only got to do a few raids solo, so not sure if I'm missing anything, but it feels like it did on 3.10

[primal thicket]

Should be, very few changes

one bug fix that was identified in the last version around performance and usec/bear aggression

[jagged latch]

Thanks for the hard work

[primal thicket]

Glad it's working

[outer sequoia]

RC5 works! But for some reason no Scavs are spawning in. I wonder if there's a mod conflict

[kind drift]

Compatible with headless??

[primal thicket]

should be yup

just add the moar.dll to the headless

[primal thicket]

huh

which map

[outer sequoia]

All maps for me. I think its definitely a mod conflict so I'm just going through the mods one at a time to find the incompatibility

[primal thicket]

put alp before any weird item mods

coudld be that if using that

[outer sequoia]

Aaaaah its raid overhaul, ofcourse

[primal thicket]

yup, that causes all sorts of issues

[kind drift]

I think the time change causes lots of issues. Making that false helps a lot

[outer sequoia]

Yeah, its either the extended raid timer or the custom items that's causing the issue

Ah there you go

[kind drift]

On my headless, I have to disable it

[earnest lodge]

raid timers fuck with many, many things related to spawning

[outer sequoia]

Ah yup. I just wanna dad game. I found out if I set the raid time to something sensible like 1, or 0.75, RC5 works with raid overhaul. (In the raid overhaul config, it says minutes but is actually hours?)

[kind drift]

So you added “poop” back into MOAR correct? No need for waypoints/big brain with that?

[outer sequoia]

Okay, loving the the POOP implementation. I can actually run around factory with a Saiga now

[primal thicket]

You need waypoints.
Poop is not implemented

There is a small update around snipers and boss weighting around performance values

And there was a bug causing way too many pmc groups

As well as an issue where pmcs would group and kill you

but those are fixed

I am rewriting poop with a friend now

And dramatically simplifying/expanding it

We are in the data parsing phase atm.

[primal thicket]

you might just be enjoying the default balance moar brings now

[kind drift]

Ran a few raids. Spawn points look great. Good variety across the map. Not having Questing Bots keeps them stagnant but so far so good! Works fine on a headless setup! Will continue to play and get you feedback if it’s wanted.

[primal thicket]

Working on a quest mod at the moment.
Keeps vanilla quests but changes the progression quite a bit.

Unlocks lighthouse and the quests sooner

Uses native ref quests and bumps there rep so you don't need additional quests with him

And starts fence quests early

[primal thicket]

ALP and Moar released on hub

Let the frustration flow..

[outer sequoia]

Is the version on the hub the same as the RC5 on github?

[patent heart]

I like how energized @primal thicket got back. Soon mod reports will start flood

[buoyant spruce]

what hub? rubhub?

[outer sequoia]

Man really came back, dropped half a dozen updates in two days

Chad behaviour

[outer sequoia]

Most likely yes. Like I actually have a chance to walk around the map, and loot containers without constantly getting swarmed by scavs spawning right next to me

[delicate tree]

so its my first round on this version with this mod and tagilla and kollontay spawned on interchange, changed nothing in the config

is this a wanted behaviour?

[uneven wind]

I think all bosses can spawn on all maps by default if memory serves

[primal thicket]

What?

That would be new

[primal thicket]

Oh. You have a preset that rolls

Read the mod description

On random preset it cycles through all presets by the weighting in the weightingConfig

You likely rolled bossInvasion

[uneven wind]

I knew it was something.

[primal thicket]

It's something like a 5% ish chance by default

[delicate tree]

but the boss invasion is set to false in the config

[primal thicket]

It's a preset

Turn off that preset in the weighting

Set it to 0

If you don't want that

Presets change the config

[delicate tree]

also theres a problem when my buddy extracts new bots spawn almost immediately so the next friend who walks up needs to fight the newly spawned bots

[primal thicket]

That's fika

[earnest lodge]

extract together ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[delicate tree]

didnt encounter that until now tbh

maybe coincidence idk

[primal thicket]

My buddies extract while pointing at each other's faces

Just in case

[primal thicket]

Also, you can press the "end" key at anytime to see the current preset

[delicate tree]

ye forgot to download the plugin for my client

[uneven wind]

Technically not Fika lol

[primal thicket]

SPT I guess

[delicate tree]

set everything up for the server the headless and my buddies but forgot me

[primal thicket]

[delicate tree]

but the spawns feel good overall

[outer sequoia]

https://tenor.com/view/stare-huh-um-awkward-situation-mexican-standoff-gif-9442860

[fervent holly]

It's Tarkovs spawn system

Really odd.

[kind drift]

Had it happen on live PvP with a buddy once. 4 scavs spawned right after I extracted. He got killed. About 300 feet behind me

[delicate tree]

I think its a pretty funny side effect of ALP that bots will wear face shields or/and masks with Headset and helmet combos that shouldnt work normally, cause of the less restricted headwear mod

I actually like that

[primal thicket]

It is a bug not a feature. Lol

Just one that I can't get rid of

Like the helmet attached headphones in the headphone slot

I could probably patch it but too much effort to do so

[delicate tree]

Well in the end its more loot if you kill somebody

Higher risk cause of face shields but also higher reward

lmao

this came to my mind when i was at work

smh i will still get head/eyes shot

[jagged latch]

I want to try out ALP, should I remove adern that I'm using?

[primal thicket]

Yes

[primal thicket]

Oh lol.that is hilarious

It used to prevent double usage, that's new in 3.11

The Killa mask should prevent helmet usage

Impressive kit though

[delicate tree]

Equiped for the Ref quest "kill scavs with a g36 in interchange"

[tight osprey]

For ALP, how do I make it so once the first round of PMC's are dead no more spawn?

[earnest lodge]

ALP is not a spawn mod

[tight osprey]

oops sorry moar

mb

[earnest lodge]

Wouldn't you just do startingPmcs True
and pmcWaveQuantity of 0

[tight osprey]

As I've done but they're still spawning in waves

Perhaps I've changed something I haven't so ima reinstall and try again

[earnest lodge]

you'd need to set your preset to live like or something to I think, by setting the weightings everywehre to zero, otherwise if you roll a preset with pmc waves

I could also just be wrong

[tight osprey]

Okay, I'll try that as well thanks

in the mapConfigs do you know what pmcwavecount does? Is it the total number of bots per wave?

[earnest lodge]

it'd be how many waves of pmcs are used on that map, could probably set to zero there too

[tight osprey]

Okay this is extra dumb, are you supposed to have the mod on ur client or the fika server, as im currently running headless

[hot isle]

for Moar? Moar.dll needs to be on the headless

[tight osprey]

ok and the rest on ur client?

[hot isle]

the user folder goes into your server directory

[tight osprey]

so its all on the headless server then? how do u interact with it on the client then?

[hot isle]

no

the headless is not a server

[tight osprey]

okay sorry that is me being dumb

[hot isle]

np. moar.dll needs to be in your headless clients BepInEx/plugins folder. everything in user/mods/DewardianDev-MOAR goes into your servers game folder. server being where you start spt.server.exe

[tight osprey]

right, and that means im assuming I need to edit whatever settings through the headless?

[earnest lodge]

moar has settings in the server, in config files

[hot isle]

@tight osprey are you playing from the same directory that you start the server from?

[tight osprey]

I believe so yeah, my headless n server are in the same folder, I'm assuming most have a headless folder and server folder

Basically, my spt server and headless are on my "server pc" and I just connect locally on my main machine using the spt launcher

After re-reading the instructions I'm guessing people have the headless on the 2nd pc and everything else on the main

which makes WAY more sense

[hot isle]

Okay, you need MOAR.dll on the headless, and in the directory that you launch SPT.Launcher.exe from

Not always. I am hosting my server on my PC, and playing from that same directory. I have a 2nd installation of 3.11.3 to use as a headless client, to offload the AI. Which is what I assume you are doing too

[tight osprey]

yes

but my headless install and sptserver.exe are in the same directory

so unless thats completely wrong

which would mean a bunch of my mods probably aren't working properly

[hot isle]

that sounds incorrect to me. but I dont want to tell you something that isnt correct.

[tight osprey]

i think it is wrong

welp

time to change it

[hot isle]

Its an easy fix

Shynd is typing right now hahah

[tight osprey]

im sorry shynd!

[sour karma]

spt.server.exe & headless same directory, different directory, doesn't matter in the slightest.

• every client, including headless, needs MOAR.dll
• almost all settings should be adjusted in <server folder>/user/mods/dewardiandev-MOAR/ config files
• there are a few, very small few, settings that need to be configured in <headless client folder>/BepInEx/config/com.whatever.moar.cfg

[tight osprey]

ah right

[sour karma]

things like pmc aggression or whatever

[tight osprey]

So if my headless and sptserver.exe are in the same directory, and i plonk all the mods in there, does that achieve that desired result

ofc having them on my sptlauncher files on my main pc

[sour karma]

"all the mods" i have no idea what you are talking about. if we are talking about MOAR, then yes.

[tight osprey]

sorry yes, i do mean that, i just have a bunch more ofc

so assuming a similar rule applies for most/all

par client side stuff

[sour karma]

sounds right to me. you of course do not need to install any server mods on your game client if your server is running on a different machine, btu it also won't hurt.

[tight osprey]

ah right, so for example uifixes, I just need that on the pc which hosts the server.exe

oh

no!

[sour karma]

you need uifixes everywhere

[tight osprey]

okay, I assumed so for that one

[sour karma]

headless client, your game client, etc. i'm not sure why we're talking about it in Dewar's thread though.

[tight osprey]

yes i just thought that

my apologies

well thanks for the help anyway think I've got what I need now

[primal thicket]

They still spawn in waves but at the beginning

[tight osprey]

Even if I set the waves to 0?

[primal thicket]

Or just install Moar on your clients too.. so that you can use the f12 menu to adjust server settings on the flu

[tight osprey]

Yeah I've done that now

[primal thicket]

Kk

[tight osprey]

But ive basically edited a preset to have 100% chance, the bot waves are 0 and for the map im testing its also 0, so would that indicate a single wave on enemies spawn?

[primal thicket]

Yeah anytime @sour karma pops his head up you can be sure he knows what he's talking about. 😆

Anyway..
Have fun @tight osprey

[tight osprey]

ty

[fringe valley]

Just for clarification, if we run ONLY headless mode: Doing server-side config settings and the .dll is then only needed on headless and not the "normal" clients (suffering on-the-fly-changes, but intended) ?

[primal thicket]

Yeah that should be the case

[astral frost]

when tweaking MOAR settings, how do pmcWaveCount in mapConfig and pmcWaveQuantity in config interact? is Quant a multiplier?

ty @sour karma !

[primal thicket]

pmcWaveQuantity multiplier pmcWaveCount < actual count per map

[delicate tree]

Well my buddies complain that theyre getting one clicked too offen after implementing ALP

Also they cant separate scavs from pmcs, is there a way to change this?

[primal thicket]

One clicked by who?

Also what level are they

ALP makes early game easier.

Late game harder relatively

If they are level 50 and want to steam roll thats not the mod for you

[delicate tree]

Pmcs

[delicate tree]

Around lvl 40

[primal thicket]

Yeah, basically at that level you are seeing pmcs use higher tier ammo

ALP is a balanced mod. So at higher levels if you want to steam role maybe adjust settings

[delicate tree]

Also saw scavs with bp ammo

[primal thicket]

That's in the base game

Just rare

At higher levels slightly more seen

[delicate tree]

Could also be looting bots

[primal thicket]

Unlikely. Looting bots just moved bots around a bit

You can adjust everything about nonPmcBots in the config.

[delicate tree]

Ye im gonna dig into the configs a bit

[primal thicket]

Basically if there is something you don't want to be touched set it to [0,0],

For a particular bot

You could also make it so you are fighting less higher level bots in the config

Ie set it so the tier 4/5 as super rare

[delicate tree]

is there a setting to turn the custom boss loot off?

[delicate tree]

so 0,0 is vanilla settings of tarkov?

[delicate tree]

found it "enableNonPMCBotChanges"

[primal thicket]

You could turn them all off

That would be vanilla for non PMC bots

[delicate tree]

so also custom scav loot would be turned off?

[primal thicket]

If non technical that's the easy way

I think so?

Been a while since I checked

I do look at looting bots settings to determine if you have loot turned off for bots there

[delicate tree]

well i will try getting things running with "enableNonPMCBotChanges"

[primal thicket]

Turn that off to turn off changes.
If you want to turn off changes for specific bots there is now an option for that. Just add the bot name to the remove list in the nonPmcBotConfig

[delicate tree]

i will think i leaving it like this will be fine first up

question to MOAR:
"live-like": {},
"quiet-raids": {
"randomSpawns": true,
"scavGroupChance": 0.1,
"scavMaxGroupSize": 2,
"pmcGroupChance": 0.1,
"pmcMaxGroupSize": 2,
"scavWaveQuantity": 0.7,
"pmcWaveQuantity": 0.6,
"mainBossChanceBuff": 0

if theres pmc max group size 2 why are there sometimes groups of 4 in this raid config?

ah

answered it myself

so can i tweak the live like settings?

[primal thicket]

If two spawns spawn together on the same spot I make them teammates

[primal thicket]

You can, but they are just whatever is default in the config

You could add them there too if you want to alter them

[delicate tree]

yes thats what i meant

[primal thicket]

This happens if a bad spawn causes the team to be repositioned

But instead of them murdering eachother they team up

Much better outcome I'd say

[delicate tree]

so if want more scavs in live like raids:

"live-like": {
"scavGroupChance": 0.5,
"scavMaxGroupSize": 3,
"scavWaveQuantity": 1.2
},

[balmy wasp]

Not me banning all entities from using AP type ammo. (BP, 55a1 and PBP are fine tho, just not MAI and SSA AP)

[north breach]

how to increase boss guards? MOAR

been seeing 2 max

[primal thicket]

In the advancedConfig turn off changes there.

Performance Changes I think

[north breach]

beh

thanks

[primal thicket]

Those make lighthouse much better

[north breach]

possible to add to the map overrides?

[primal thicket]

Ish.

I'll see

With my questoverhaul mod, I may reintroduce the regular guard numbers

will see

[gray timber]

Does this affect anything else, or does it just decrease boss guards/rouges across all maps? 🤔

[primal thicket]

It affects guards, rogues spawns, zyarchi, and a few other small things in general

Just helps on some of the larger naps

[ancient nimbus]

how to remove level binding in ALP? i want to get full randomness

[primal thicket]

Just set all the bot range at levels to [1,1,1,1,1]

[ancient nimbus]

?

[primal thicket]

Yup

Should be good

[north breach]

wait fr?

that's fire

[kindred furnace]

Am i the only one who has trouble downloading some of the latest MOAR for 3.9.8? I get an error on google drive when trying to download 2.3.0 or 2.3.1. but 2.2.2 works fine.

[primal thicket]

Nope you're not

I removed it a while ago

I don't have it

[kindred furnace]

Too bad, i'll try my luck with 2.2.2. Thanks for all your work btw.

[patent heart]

While using Headless on my own machine with which i play, i edit stuff regulary with f12?

[balmy wasp]

For your headless it has its own config that you cannot edit via normal client. Should be edited manually.

As for the mods, set the parameters you need and then copy it from normal to headless, since the host controls a lot of client mod related stuff like AI and some spawn Mods.

[patent heart]

So for example, MOAR's config i'm editing on headless for boss chances right?

[balmy wasp]

UFF i don't know whether dewar swapped it to be f12 based or if it's still server based... scroll up and check for history pls

Cause f12 in the distant past used tobe completely optional

[primal thicket]

F12 controls the server when using fika

The map/boss configs are on the server and require a restart to change

[patent heart]

But spawn chances i handle thourh headless?

[primal thicket]

No. Headless runs the code for the map related changes to spawnpoints, and some changes I've made around hostility.

The server holds all configs

The f12 menu, wherever it's run, controls the rest, it's a remote for the server effectively

If fika is not installed is a different story

[patent heart]

but f12 doesnt have boss chance percentages.
so i should edit that through my SPT folder not headless?

[primal thicket]

Yes, configs on the server (wherever it is) should be edited if you want those changed

Only the "main" config.json is effectively controlled by f12

It's confusing but was my adaptation for fika

[patent heart]

i changed Bossconfig on headless and it shows my percentage i changed when headless loads. so i guess it's alright?

it's confusing 😄 youre right

[delicate tree]

Well since i installed the mod the enemy pmcs are manequin idk why (ALP or MOAR)

[primal thicket]

That is bizarre.

Like they move and stuff?

Turn off clothing changes in alp

Likely another mod interaction

[delicate tree]

completely normal Pmcs that move and do stuff yes

look at the face

[primal thicket]

Yeah likely clothing

Lol

Only some of them right?

[delicate tree]

really rdm

and sometimes equipment hovers in the air

[primal thicket]

Yeah, that's me grabbing all the clothing and randomizing it

[delicate tree]

without a bot in it

[primal thicket]

You mean just the gun?

Or equipment

[delicate tree]

just the eqp

[primal thicket]

That's a hard bug

I've seen that. Might be alp

Turn off clothing changes and let me know if you still see it

If the equipment thing happens too let me know

Other mods?

[delicate tree]

you mean leveled clothing?

[primal thicket]

Yeah

[primal thicket]

Less restricting headware may cause problems. So try removing that if you see issues

Turn off leveled clothing in the config

[delicate tree]

as far as i see, changing the config fixxed it

[primal thicket]

K I'll turn it off and look at it for the next release

[delicate tree]

tested 2 raids as spectator and didnt see any manequins and no flying eqp

[primal thicket]

Kinda hilarious bug

[odd wedge]

can we have that as a feature ? 🙂

[primal thicket]

Turn on mannequin mode!

😄

[primal thicket]

A complete rewrite of vanilla tarkov quests. I need to get a blurb and mod page for it

But RC1 is ready for a role

[north breach]

peacemaker smugglers? and is arenaFighterEvent bloodhounds?

[snow bough]

arenafighterevent is smugglers, there is no longer bloodhounds

[primal thicket]

https://hub.sp-tarkov.com/files/file/2002-aqp-algorithmic-quest-progression/#overview

[paper reef]

Hey Dewar, I have a question about MOAR.
If I add 60min to the raid timer, Do I need to double my scavWaveQuantity ?

[primal thicket]

No

[heavy raft]

Was there a change in logic for 3.11 and MOAR? I remember previously you had mentioned with or without startingpmc, it should never spawn more than the map max of PMCs, it was just a matter of when they would spawn. Is this different now?

I just did a customs, with no changes other than setting the Preset weights to just be 'live-like' and by 15 minutes into raid I had counted 17 PMCs (not all at once, but as they died they would get replaced when the next wave would trigger I assume)

Edit: I left startingpmc off

[topaz edge]

new event? mannequin challenge

[primal thicket]

Lol

[woeful oriole]

Hello. I have some problems with Moar. When I am in the raid, I have stuttering and lags in random times, approximately every 10 seconds.
I lowered the number of bots from 20 to 7, but this did not give results, I also tried to set up both the server part and the client, nothing changed. Moar also works with stuttering out of the box, that is, without tuning.
I do not understand that this is not the case and I do not want to delete Moar from my assembly. Who faced such a problem and is it possible to solve it somehow?

My PC
Rayzen 9 3900x
2070
RAM 64 gigs

This is just in case, so that they do not say that I have a weak computer

[delicate tree]

What is the base value of
"pmcGroupChance":
"pmcWaveQuantity":
cause i want to edit the "more scavs" preset to spawn less pmcs

it would be logic that it is 1 ,but im asking just to clarify this

[delicate tree]

so the base values are displayed in the settings config file

Why is there such a odd number of all the chances added together in the PresetWeightings file? Like 100 (%) overall

[primal thicket]

It's a relative weighting system. Not a percentage

[delicate tree]

why not a percentage system? cause of the base game values? just curious

[primal thicket]

It's just a. Choice. Makes it easy

[nocturne tide]

Where do I submit an issue with MOAR. Thank you

[uneven wind]

Here

[primal thicket]

If the issue is that it's great, and you love me. No need to file a ticket.

[nocturne tide]

The mod is great... And of course everyone loves you. The issue is when I load the mode for more scavs and click save to push it to the server. I don't get any scavs at all. Lots of PMC no scav.

[primal thicket]

Oh.. that is strange

I don't ever run scavs so haven't tested that game mode.

I'll add it to the list

I think I need a separate config for scaving

[nocturne tide]

I'll do more testing as well just thought maybe someone else might be having an issue. I do love your work.

[primal thicket]

Which map?

I think someone mentioned interchange lacking scavs

[nocturne tide]

Shoreline.

[primal thicket]

Yeah, I need a separate config for scavs

[nocturne tide]

I wonder if it's just a preset issue. I ran a raid on random and scavs were on the map. I loaded more scavs preset and nothing.

[primal thicket]

Hmmm

More scav preset eh? I'll take a look.

Could also just be luck. Unless you have a map mod to view them

Remember that by default the weighting puts pmcs slightly before scavs in the weighting of being spawned

If you want to run a scav raid, you could just set a custom preset for it in the server config and switch to it

Reduce pmcs

[nocturne tide]

Oh shit. I am using bot debug. I wonder if it's seeing scavs as PMC???

[primal thicket]

No idea

[nocturne tide]

I can try that

Thank you

[heavy raft]

Sorry for the repeat Dewar, but I am still experiencing this. Are PMCs supposed to be respawing 20 minutes into the raid? using the .6 wave and a .1 made no difference, nor did 'startingpmc' and disabling all the wave/cascade options.

[primal thicket]

The can. Disabling allwaves no

[heavy raft]

Ah bummer. Was that a change from previosu versions? I thought I had recalled you saying they would still "waves" but never spawn more than the max number total?

Out of curiosity what exactly does 'startingPMCs' doing exactly if there is always going to be waves through out the raid?

[primal thicket]

They should make a difference. Did you hit save?

Also I have seen a bug where the client doesn't update until the second raid

[heavy raft]

I do everything I can through the Server Config, I have the client side but try not to use it, but when I do yes I am making sure to "pull" and then "Save"

But yes, last evening I had multiple customs raids, eitehr set for .1 PMC distro or if I disabled the cascading and enabled startingpmc and random spawns I still had PMC's spawning in with 20 minutes left in raid.

[primal thicket]

With .1 there would literally be 1 spawn near mid point I think

The rest would be front

Similar with starting pmcs. But more contracted

Going to do a pass on my mods today.

[topaz edge]

To be honest I've been having this happen too with headless fika. I figured it was just because i have a load of mods so i didn't report it.

My setup is:

Laptop with headless and server running (MOAR is installed on this machine)

Main pc with just client (MOAR not installed on client)

I'd imagine this is probably not the correct way to install headless but I've been doing this since 3.9 lol

Like i got 12 pmc dogtags from one factory raid i don't think the math is mathing. Just means more loot for me though

[primal thicket]

The setup is fine

I need to check if spt is adding spawns again.

😐

[topaz edge]

https://tenor.com/view/maybe-heavy-hmmm-not-sure-perchance-gif-16032460

[brittle rose]

Did you find them? Cause SPT does add additional PMC spawns

I had to go find them for ABPS cause PMCs kept spawning when I disabled all spawning early on

Iirc it's in the pmcConfig

removeExistingPmcWaves
And
customPmcWaves

Both in the pmcConfig

[primal thicket]

I think I hit both, I'll check. And as always thank you buddy.

oh

I didn't do customPmcWaves

I thought that turning on remove would kill them

😐

added a line of code

pushed

cheers @brittle rose

I did see that but I was like, surely if I just hit this boolean the bots won't spawn right... Right?

lol

https://tenor.com/view/padme-gif-24474700

[heavy raft]

I'll download this and give it a try on my test setup!

[brittle rose]

Turning on the remove, will remove the existing ones from the location iirc.

https://github.com/acidphantasm/acidphantasm-botplacementsystem/blob/9982642f9d574080657c1c680368cc1162a6d4f3/Server/src/Controls/VanillaAdjustmentControl.ts#L136

That's how I did mine

[primal thicket]

setting all things to 0 should prevent spawns, except for hotspots

I'd be careful with clearing out the keys on that object.
You've probably tested, but I have seen weird errors when the code expects those keys to exist, even when they point to an empty array

Like turning a record to a {}

[brittle rose]

No errors for me on that, but

[primal thicket]

cool cool

[topaz edge]

nice update thanks will test today

[heavy raft]

I am only on my second raid Dewar but this is working MUCH more as expected. Counted a max of 13 PMCs, no more have spawned in since like 10 minutes into raid, set to .1 PMC distro. (.6 was about the same except I had a few more spawns later into raid obviously). But no more of those 18 - 20 PMCs raids

Scavs feel a little light.... but I can play with the presets and up those values

[glad tiger]

Hello everyone, I was here doing a test with enemy generation mods and I had the following question: is it possible to configure moar so that it always keeps an x ​​number of enemies?

something like, I killed an enemy
mod: ok, I'll spawn another one

[primal thicket]

Let me know if you see this consistently. Keeping in mind they are waited later in the raid

[primal thicket]

Pretty much does this out of the box, use the maxbotcap to control the limit

[glad tiger]

I think there was something interfering with the mod, I increased the amount and suddenly a bot came out of the ground

[north breach]

Yep

[primal thicket]

Nice

[glad tiger]

Sometimes no bot appears, I looked in the log and there are errors in the spawn, has anyone seen this?

[primal thicket]

No bot appears for the whole raid?

[glad tiger]

Yes, I tested it by putting the same settings on the 3 computers, but still nothing appeared.

[primal thicket]

Mod conflict likely

[primal thicket]

Mods, settings?

[glad tiger]

I will generate a clean log with the errors I find and send it here

my mods:

disregard the swag + donuts, I just put them there to test the bot spawns

[earnest lodge]

uhh

what version is this

[glad tiger]

list: questing bots
quest tracker
waypoints
dynamic maps
eftapi
gamme panel hud
leaveithere
more checkmarks
player encumbrancebar
realism
sain
simple crosshair
wtt (many)
tyrian radar
auto run
amands graphics
boss notifier
fov fix
looting bots
hidden caches
nerf bot grenades
weapon customizer
dad gamer mode
performance improvments
trade scrolling
third person
hands are noy busy

[glad tiger]

3.10

I think I saved a log that might be related, just a minute

I can send it in full, but I think these lines are relevant:
2025-05-06 17:59:58.451 -03:00|0.15.5.1.33420|Error|maperrors|Warning!!! 84 SpawnPointMarker will be deleted. They are exists on the location(scene), but not exists on backend.
-03:00|0.15.5.1.33420|Error|maperrors|Warning!!! 9 SpawnPointMarker will be added. They are exists on the backend, but not exists on location(scene).
-03:00|0.15.5.1.33420|Error|maperrors|SpawnPointMarker Id:5f9f188b-8489-4c06-ae14-ba4ca2a46028 fix message:Categories marker:Coop, Group params:Bot
2025-05-06 17:59:58.535 -03:00|0.15.5.1.33420|Error|maperrors|SpawnPointMarker Id:5f9f188b-8489-4c06-ae14-ba4ca2a46028 fix message:Sides marker:Pmc params:Savage
2025-05-06 17:59:58.535 -03:00|0.15.5.1.33420|Error|maperrors|SpawnPointMarker Id:3eed3347-ac2d-429b-870e-6e6bc076e05e fix message:Categories marker:Coop, Group params:Bot
2025-05-06 17:59:58.535 -03:00|0.15.5.1.33420|Error|maperrors|SpawnPointMarker Id:3eed3347-ac2d-429b-870e-6e6bc076e05e fix message:Sides marker:Pmc params:Savage

I used the default configuration (more scavs)

From what I understand, there is something wrong with the spawn points. I thought it was different settings on my friends' clients, but even in solo mode, no bots were appearing.
I tried to set all the settings to the same, but I was unsuccessful.
And finally, I tested swag + donuts and it worked.

It may be some mistake on my part, but I haven't found it yet. Later I will do more tests and post here what I found out.

[earnest lodge]

idk if Dewar is going to expend effort on an old version

[primal thicket]

Those can be ignored. Not related to the bots

[primal thicket]

Likely due to the item mods. If you remove all mods and have the issue with major let me know

[primal thicket]

I'm not

[primal thicket]

Realism is known to cause issues you need to turn off a bunch of bot related stuff there. So does performance improvements potentially.

I think performance improvements is just simply not supported

[soft coral]

Any idea what this means? idk what to check. 🥴 3.11.3 btw

[earnest lodge]

why asking here?

[soft coral]

MOAR is only thing I added since it started 😅

[brittle rose]

Why did you add MOAR without removing ABPS then

[soft coral]

Nevermind, I see the problem now, it's not happening on my side, but I think one of my clients on the server still has it installed, disregard. Sorry! >.<

[earnest lodge]

That a line from yours?

[brittle rose]

Yeah, it's part of the progressive bosses that communicates with the server

[hot isle]

Ive updated my server to Moar 3.1.1, using the same config that I was using in 3.1.0RC5. Its feeling like my raids are taking a very long time to populate. I have my bot caps at moars default, 20, and I get to just over 10, about halfway through the raid it seems. Im not sure if the issue is with my config, or if there is an issue with Moar? can I use the debug in moar to get a better idea of whats going on?

[hot isle]

I cant figure it out 🤯 . Is there a log that I can watch to get a better idea of what is going on in regards to spawning bots? Im going to revert back to Moar 3.1.0RC5 and play for a bit in the meantime lol

[solid wigeon]

Does MOAR 'overwrite' SVM and Raid Overhaul settings btw??? I checked my Server to see what MOAR was doing and it borked some of what Raid Overhaul changes and boss spawn chances I had set in SVM

it could just be me though, I dunno

[earnest lodge]

"does my spawn mod do spawning things?!?"

[knotty mason]

The MOAR still supports the SAIN?

[primal thicket]

Which of these questions are actual questions I feel like half are trolling

[primal thicket]

You should be hitting the maxbot cap without changing any strings over a raid

[primal thicket]

Moar will tell you why it has overwritten infinity values for raid times in the log

[primal thicket]

It also sets the boss spawn chances in the boss config. If you want to change these. Do it there.

[primal thicket]

Sain doesn't exist, Moar also supports Santa clause and logical world leaders

[hot isle]

Ive had to go back to 3.1.0RC5 release. Im not sure if somethings broken. Is there any way I can see what Moar is doing behind the scenes and compare whats going on?

[primal thicket]

The only difference is I removed extra PMC spawns that were added in 311

[hot isle]

Using 3.1.1 I get veryyyy slow bot population, hardly getting above 12 bots.

Yeah this is very bizarre

[primal thicket]

What is very slow over what time period?

[hot isle]

I knew I should have documented this when I was messing with it earlier lol. For example I will start run a reserve raid. 3-4 raiders will always spawn at the start and up until the midpointish in the raid Ill just be getting over 10 total bots (they arent killing each other either) maybe 4pmc max, and then scavs start to spawn.

I wonder if I am just missing the extra PMC spawns that you removed, since thats all you did for the update lol

[primal thicket]

That's low. Have you changed settings?

Also how are you confirming the numbers?

[hot isle]

Ive kept the config default for the most part. I change difficulty for pmc and scavs, I turn on random spawns and disable spawn smoothing. Im sitting in a corner of the map with CWX Bot Monitor turned on and watching the list populate.

[primal thicket]

I haven't tested random spawning but it should be working fine.
The cascade will just mean less consistent spawns.

[hot isle]

I wasnt too keen on cascading simply based off of your description on the hub. let me make a note to try turning that on and testing this all again lol

[primal thicket]

Try increasing the PMC/scav group chance slightly

It improves performance

I'd leave it on if not using starting pmcs

0.2 for group chance should be the norm

Everything else looks fine

[hot isle]

Also not sure if this matters but when I start the server, it reports "Mod: MOAR version: 3.1.1 by: DewardianDev loaded" but in the bepinex menu it shows 3.1.0, probably doesnt matter right?

oops, i meant 3.1.1

when I am using 3.1.1, lol

[primal thicket]

I'll be pushing a patch to moars client .DLL that is stolen from Sain to help with spawns that are cancelled or shifted.

[primal thicket]

Yeah that should be fine

I don't always update the client version

I was inadvertently relying on some Sain logic for my custom spawns because Sain was always available. That should help with maps like reserve where some of the spawns I've limited may be inaccessible

A stop gap you could try is dropping all the culling values for reserve (and other maps) down a bit in the mapConfig

[hot isle]

One other thing I have done is changed the static forcedPreset = "random"; in globalvalues.js from random to custom, so it always uses my settings from my config, which I assume are just the live-like preset, with modifications, yeahh?

[primal thicket]

Live like === custom if you've set the config values in the server

[hot isle]

What do these culling values do? how do they work? lol

[primal thicket]

There are literally hundreds of spawn points for every map

If bots were allowed to spawn at all you'd get really bad distributions

As many points ae around. Pois

So I run a script that checks the distance around them, and culls any point that is too close to an already used point

I cull them down so that every spawnpoint is at a min distance from the next

[hot isle]

Oooh okay

[primal thicket]

Reducing those values increase the number of spawn points

Which may be a good stop gap

But reducing the values also is likely helpful for the spawn algorithm and other things for performance

Less logical to iterate through

In any case feel free to reduce all cull values by half

It may help you see more spawns populate while I have this bug on some maps with custom points

[hot isle]

Im going to change up my config based off of our conversation and if needed I'll try to get some better documentation of my issue instead of coming back and saying "something feels off" lol

Appreciate the help!

[solid wigeon]

Noted! thank you ^.^

[brittle rose]

Did you make sure that you disabled the removeExistingPmcs thing like I mentioned?

If that's enabled it'll remove any initial PMCs in the location data

[primal thicket]

The two values? I did

One set to true, the other an empty array

[brittle rose]

The true is removing those existing values

If that's what you want it's fine, it runs on post db

[primal thicket]

I set both

[glad tiger]

Hey, I managed to get it to work, but I can't explain what was interfering. I removed the moar from the other computers and left it only on mine. When I entered the game, everything was working perfectly.

[glad tiger]

It seems that there were no problems with realism and performance improvements

[primal thicket]

Release is out for moar, all using it should update

[heavy raft]

I just got it dialed in the way I wanted.

Do you still suggest wiping everything out when updating or can we overwrite?

[primal thicket]

oh just keep your settings

they didn't change

it's just the .dll

which you NEED to update

or keep playing with it broken 😛

[topaz edge]

https://tenor.com/view/what-if-i-say-no-hmm-i-wonder-takeshi-kovacs-joel-kinnaman-gif-15772276

[primal thicket]

Love that show

[primal thicket]

MOAR has 2 more small patches, both server side.

Should help a lot with cascade accuracy and early game fights

[heavy raft]

OH good! I was trying to do some more raids before commenting things seemed a little "dead" scav wise early in raids and I rarely hit the 20 bot cap if there werent bosses.

I doubled the scav wave multiplier to compensate, lol. I'll give these a try and see if that doesnt help out!

[patent heart]

does thsi have to do smth with MOAR?

[primal thicket]

Bosslegion was not found

No

[patent heart]

But im not even using custom bosses.. wtf

okk gonna look into it

ahh srry it was from raid overhaul. i didnt remove it fully

[tawny vault]

having an issue with ai spawning right in front of us

[primal thicket]

Fika only keeps spawning distance from the main player. Stay together

[tawny vault]

gotchu

[rigid anvil]

How does this work in the case of a headless client?

[sour karma]

Theoretically it does spawn distance from the headless client character which exists somewhere under the map and is periodically updated to be the same x,y coordinates as the person who initiated the raid. So the answer is the same: stick together.

[quartz linden]

yeah ive had partisan spawn behind me twice

i'd spawn and immediately start taking fire

[wild nacelle]

Hey small issue with algorithmic level prog. My friend and I are both level 10, we ran into some PMCs that were 25 with class 6 armors and stuff, all settings are default aside from lowering boss chances, any ideas why this is happening? (Traders level 1 still too)

[brittle rose]

Look in the config, there should be something for weighted ranges

[sudden crater]

yo. Mod question, With moar how can i achive Live like starting pmcs only with it ?

[heavy raft]

Turn on 'Starting PMCs' in the config

[sudden crater]

In bepinex or the user mods one ?

[heavy raft]

I do everything in the server config, that way it persists through restarts. But Bepienx should do the same thing, just make sure you "pull from server" and click "Save" at the bottom.

I think Dewar said it can sometimes take a raid or 2 for those to take effect as well. So I just stop the server, update the server config and relaunch

[sudden crater]

Server config like in the main menu f12 ?

[earnest lodge]

the config file in the user/mods/<whatevermodname>

[sudden crater]

great just did it. Thanks guys

[primal thicket]

https://github.com/iamPHEN/SPT-RoamingBotsd

Roaming bots prerelease

Message me if you see any issues

Works with looting bota

Requires bigbrain

[shadow wharf]

would this conflict with the sain test build from the main discord or nah

[primal thicket]

No

It works with looting bots and sain

[shadow wharf]

oh lovely

[primal thicket]

He is pushing release shortly

Forgot to attach download

https://github.com/iamPHEN/SPT-RoamingBotsd/releases/tag/PreRelease-0.0

[shadow wharf]

hip hip hooray questing bots 2 lmao

[primal thicket]

Kinda. Less complex, less performance, applies to scavs

Leave feedback here

Use non debug version above, and don't install both .dlls

[patent heart]

https://tenor.com/view/what-shookt-eyeball-popping-out-say-what-what-the-fuck-gif-17149684

Dewar u are monster

[shadow wharf]

this seems to be affecting goons weirdly? got killed by knight who ran off from pipe & bird (they were like 400 meters away from him LOL) and after killing me he ran around dorms in a circle for a while

granted this could be the test build of sain acting up but i don't think i've seen this behaviour before

[ivory notch]

This is just Dewar's split personality working on mods as well.

You cannot convince me otherwise

[brittle rose]

This happens vanilla

Usually when you engage knight then big pipe and birdeye come running over

[primal thicket]

Doesn't affect bosses/marksman

[shadow wharf]

huh, i’ve just never seen knight stray that far from the other two before i guess

[primal thicket]

He does weird shit.

[shadow wharf]

evidently))

[chrome veldt]

This is gold. Thank you! Gonna try it later ❤️
Question about compatibility (for anyone who already tried), does this work with Spock's Mod (AI-Refactored)? My guess is a 'don't think so', but...

[sour karma]

i doubt it. roaming bots requires bigbrain, and ai refactored is a whole brain replacement.

[brisk portal]

Spock’s mod gonna handle ALL aspect of AI, so high chance that’s a no. Looking through the code I can see it handles combat, navigation, decision making, etc…and it was built from the ground up, so no Bigbrain, Loot bots, quest bots, etc…

For the time being if only SAIN can fix the tango dancing of bots then I’m gonna be happy till Spock’s drop 😂😂😂

[patent heart]

So spocks will have all these mods intrgrated in its own mod just he writes it himself?
Like mod will have AI doing quests, looting and etc?

[earnest lodge]

go ask him, in his thread

[brisk portal]

Pretty sure he write them himself but the implementation/algorithm can’t be too far off from the other mods.

I mean how many ways can you make bots roam around

But the main thing is that he writes it in a way that works within his own environment.

[paper reef]

If I understand it correctly, other AI mod use Tarkov's brain as base. But Spock just completely overwrite Tarkov's brain, with is own brain.
But his bots will have missions, such as roaming, looting, questing, combat ... ect.
So by nature, any other AI mod will be absolutely incompatible. At least without any compatibility fix from spock

[primal thicket]

We will see. One human covering all aspects of AI, movement, difficulty, all of it. will likely be challenging.

Not to say he/she isn't capable, but it's a huge thing to try to accomplish to replace sain/3 other mods

Like Sain's group combat component. That is nuts

[primal thicket]

@sour karma
Is there a place to find others wanting to play on a server?
like a LFG type deal for Fika?

[uneven wind]

#🤝lfg ?

[primal thicket]

oh nice

strange it wasn't on the channel list by default for me

[uneven wind]

Sent you a message Dewar

[wild nacelle]

Using AQP and loooove it. The quest progression feels so good. One thing though that was a BIG issue so far was that dang dorms 114 key for the first Therapist quest. We never found one, did tons of customs checking the medic car etc, checking fence constantly, had to buy it on flea all the way at level 15. Which ofc means we didn't get Skier unlocked until after 15, kind of frustrating

[hot isle]

I noticed this as well, but it didnt bother me too much. Does the key even spawn in the damn car anymore? 🙄

[wild nacelle]

Idk I'm convinced it doesn't I checked that damn car so many times lol

[primal thicket]

Lol kk

Might move it then

You can just adjust the mainquests JSON order

Also the questAdjustmen has an easy way to change unlock quests

It's all just quest names

[primal thicket]

I'm stuck on that quest too lol

[primal thicket]

I'll adjust it. I may just give the fracking key on start

[primal thicket]

Just made two changes to AQP
One for load order, one for that first quest

[fringe valley]

Just a short question on MOAR 3.1.5 are Sniper Spawns fixed?

[wild nacelle]

You are awesome, thanks for the great mods 🙂

[primal thicket]

no

It's being worked on, but the work is client side

[fringe valley]

Ah i see.

[patent heart]

Dewar any updates on how you and your friend doing on uodating sain? Just curious

[primal thicket]

We have stopped, Brie bries version is excellent

[patent heart]

roger roger

I believe its massive investment of time when you have almost working version just right there

[primal thicket]

exactly

[wild nacelle]

So kind of a weird thing happened with that update for AQP, I had already finished Closer to the People, but hadn't unlocked Skier yet. After the update, Skier is still locked. Is there a way I can go back and force unlock him?

[primal thicket]

Oh poop.. just delete the req for him in the config file under unlocks

""

Set to empty string

Go find "closer to the people" in the config unlocks and delete t so it's just empty

https://github.com/Andrewgdewar/AlgorithmicQuestingProgression/blob/master/config/QuestConfigs/questAdjustments.json#L18

That

[wild nacelle]

That worked, thanks!

[willow galleon]

going to try this tonight

[inland pollen]

where can we get this?

[hot isle]

https://discord.com/channels/875684761291599922/1366613823758401669 https://github.com/lionbryce/SAIN

[bold dune]

Is that a working SAIN for 3.11? How do you download from that? I cant understand github

[uneven wind]

Yes but this is not a SAIN thread. Please go to #mod-questions

[heavy raft]

Dewar or anyone in the know,

Do bosses happen to follow like the PMC or Scav difficulty of MOAR, or are they always like a specific difficulty, or perhaps they follow the "Pre-Raid" settings?

Had a rough experience with Reshala and the boys spawning out in the trees in front of 3 story and full auto thoraxing me from 100m, be lying if I said I wasnt a little salty and looking for anyone to hopefully detune or add some initial targeting delay/spread

[uneven wind]

Bosses follow boss difficulty which is much increased over pmcs and scavs

[heavy raft]

Thank you. Oh I definitly get they are much more difficult than everything else. I just knew that ABPS had setting for Easy/Normal/Hard chances and SAIN had setting for tweaking the specific EAsy/normal/Hard values so wasnt sure if MOAR also had something to pick the spawn difficulty chance or if the Pre-Raid would still effect which one went.

All this assumes it matters if a boss is "easy/normal/hard", I guess it could be the same skill values regardless for them, lol

I'll just "get good" for now!

[uneven wind]

They all have easy normal hard impossible, but as you know, easy bosses are like impossible scavs on the scale

[placid tendon]

question on MOAR settings with a headless client. Does the headless client do any kind of check and sync with the server before spinning up to host a raid? so like, if i change MOAR settings from f12 on my client and click save, will the headless sync with those settings before hosting a raid?

ok, nevermind. think i found my answer. looks like it does when the headless client is started, not on the fly/per raid

[earnest lodge]

well, if you set it to restart every raid

[placid tendon]

now we're thinkin with portals

[primal thicket]

It should per raid

[placid tendon]

huh, it does. i was going off of the bepinex moar .cfg file on the headless client, but i never actually hit "start raid", just had it load everything up to. i saw it reflect the changes after i loaded into the raid. thanks for confirming

[delicate tree]

Is there a way for Moar spawn settings to increase the cultist spawn rate?

[primal thicket]

Yes. Adjust cultistPriest spawn rate in bossConfig

Moar won't make them spawn during the day though

[ionic sonnet]

Hello, I am using ALP and just wondering if anyone knows how I can mess with in the config that will make PMCs spawn with more heavily modified weapons? I was just hoping to have less PMCs spawn with naked guns even though they have high tier ammo. Thanks

[north breach]

If you scroll up a bit someone made them spawn random tiers.

[ionic sonnet]

Thanks. I'll take a gander

[autumn forge]

I'm still using 3.0.1 Experimental, and I really just wanted a short answer, so that I can do the troubleshooting myself. I'm assuming you're not giving much support for older versions. Bot spawns are whack sometimes, and it'll just spawn bosses and their guards. That's without changing ANY of the settings. Is it a known issue? We're using a combination of Realism, Looting and Questing Bots. Nothing else that changes spawns.

[primal thicket]

Do you know what the presets are?

Read the mod page on how to adjust the preset configs.

[primal thicket]

Also realism has bot changes, including boss changes, so ensure those are all turned off.

[fluid coral]

Hello Dewar i have a qeustion in regards to ALP, i tired my best to understand the config settings. i pretty much understand the pmc side but the non pmc side it where i struggle. Im trying to make it so my scavs are scavs plan old vanilla scavs with vanilla scav loot. and my boss/raiders/goons to be harder. however when i load in my scavs literally have god teir ammo. and my pmcs dont. is there anyway i can make it so my scavs arent walking around with level 6 ammo please.

[primal thicket]

I think you should just turn off nonPmcBot changes

[bright mural]

anyone know why partisan always spawns infront of me when loading in (not always but majority when he does spawn)

i use a live like preset

[fluid coral]

okay thank you will do

[delicate tree]

His Spawn rate is pretty high vanilla, you can change the spawn rates by goin to \user\mods\DewardianDev-MOAR\config-> bossConfig.json

For example i put his spawn chance at 8 , but thats just subjective

(If the problem is the spawn rate)

[primal thicket]

How he spawns is annoying too

A lot of times he'll spawn near the player near the start of the raid

That is all vanilla

Which I dislike

I put his spawn rate at 10%

But I should likely just assign him a random spawn manually to get him away from the player

[pulsar mountain]

I straight up have disabled him in the MOAR config. His mechanic is stupid especially so for PvE/SPT

[primal thicket]

Yeah I'm not a fan.

[paper grove]

He just gets murdered in most of my raids where shows up and then we find grenades everywhere.

[primal thicket]

His grenades are the most dangerous thing about him

[paper grove]

Definitely. We had one woods run. 3 man team and we were moving through the area between the back of the mountain and the village. I heard something that I thought was a suppressed shot and asked if my buddies had heard it. They responded “no” then blew up. I was like… well. Shit. Wish I was recording cause it was actually hilarious.

[uneven wind]

That was the cord being pulled.

[primal thicket]

Yup

[paper grove]

100% from my end it was hilarious. I didnt die. My buddies… not so entertained.

[noble bronze]

hey guys im new to th MOAR mod i previously had ABPS but is there any way i can set my settings in MOAR to where only the default amount of pmcs spawn and they dont continuously spawn.

[primal thicket]

They won't continuously spawn

It will only spawn as many bots as I the mapConfig for each map around 10 each

[bright mural]

Kolontay spawned in customs and i have no idea how

[delicate tree]

Mabye a boss invasion preset by MOAR?

[bright mural]

Might be right

Caught me so off guard tho

Do i gotta set the preset everytime i start the game?

Cos it defaults to random

Gets a little tedious

[delicate tree]

Happens, in the beginning of the raid theres a Line written bottom right that says the preset

[bright mural]

Yea i didnt check

Explains my buddy getting lobbed on my partisan tho

By*

[delicate tree]

you can press end to draw it again in the raid to check the setting

[bright mural]

Alright

[primal thicket]

You can just set the preset weighting

If using fika it doesn't store it in the server so just use the weightings file

[wind umbra]

Hi Dewar I believe I found an issue when using the headless client on Ground Zero. MOAR MaxBotCap is not being respected and instead defaults to 15 no matter what I enter. I loaded up Customs and didn't have this issue - just GZ, granted, I haven't tested all maps. Should be easy to replicate but if you need/want more info, just let me know!

[earnest lodge]

Just to be sure, you know theres two different versions of ground zero?
dunno how it's being handled here or what exactly you're looking at, but

[delicate tree]

https://tenor.com/view/powerpuff-girls-but-what-bubbles-blossom-buttercup-gif-22110703

[primal thicket]

There is high and low

And there is an override in the mapConfig you can set

Adjust the maxBotCap there

Factory is similar

[wind umbra]

Appreciate the response. Is the lack of control through the bepinex menu intentional? It works for other maps but not GZ low (haven’t confirmed GZ high).

[primal thicket]

It's an override for smaller maps

Yes intentional

Not a bug

[wind umbra]

Understood. However, can the override be removed by me? I want anyone that doesn’t have direct access to the server pc to be able to control MaxBotCap via the bepinex menu from any client.

[primal thicket]

yes you can remove the override or adjust it

in mapconfig

it's called MaxBotOverride, just remove or change the line

[wind umbra]

Awesome - I'll try that. Thanks so much Dewar - I love MOAR!

[primal thicket]

Going to be publishing an update with a bunch more presets

and some small changes soon

[wind umbra]

I'll keep my eye out for it!

[patent heart]

@primal thicket when i launch my headless spt. every time my f12 settings are nulled. everything deffault. somehow i managed to make that difficulty is on the level i wanted, but preset is always back to random, i do push pull setting from server but nothing changes

[sour karma]

that's how MOAR works. if you want things to be permanent, change them in the server mod config files.

[patent heart]

of headles server or spt?

i bet headless

[sour karma]

the server. there is only one server. wherever you are runnning the server, change it there.

[patent heart]

do i change that on presetweigh? cant find which says smth about set preset

[sour karma]

yes, you would change the preset weights if you want to control which presets are being used

it will always default to random preset, so if you want, for instance, live-like to be the only one selected by the Random preset, then you would change every other preset to 0 and leave live-like at a positive number. i personally choose to have live-like at 100 and quiet-raids at 10, that means on average one out of every ten raids would be quiet.

[delicate tree]

idk if its the new Sain Version or any other conflict but theres a lot of multiple bot spawning happening on each other, plus bots appear but arent completely spawned in yet

[uneven wind]

Sain doesn't have anything to do with spawning

[ivory notch]

This generally means that the core bot generation is broken. Without logs, it's impossible to tell.

MOAR and Sain both work together just fine, so it's something in your setup/modlist.

[delicate tree]

Well the weird thing is, it just happens with the new sain version
Anyway ill test it more and look into the logs

[inner valve]

I haven’t experienced anything with the 2 combined in the last 8 hours

[tame pine]

I tried using AQP to remove requirement for quest Pest Control to kills scavs in the specific zone, it did not seem to work. Did I make a mistake doing it or the requirement can't be removed after you accepted the quest?

[primal thicket]

Likely didn't do something correctly. Could tell you without an understanding of the changes made

[tame pine]

should it be just the quest name and condition id under "deletereqlist"? I've looked up the quest json on tarkynator and found the id for "inzone" condition

[primal thicket]

That should work if you use the correct I'd, and the name is correct as per the quests.json

[jagged latch]

This is probably a dumb question, but I'm using the more-pmc preset with the updated SAIN, I want lower Scavs and more PMCs should I be turning down the Scav Quantity down quite a bit? I'm also okay with 1-3 scavs max. Thanks

[primal thicket]

Yup. Just tinker

[jagged latch]

thanks

[cosmic palm]

Is MOAR a current culprit for the "Unable to complete SSL connection" error currently? I have seen a few mention it in regards to MOAR, but wanted to check.

[primal thicket]

I haven't seen it

[unkempt urchin]

ok... just finished testing back to back with Acid's ABPS and latest MOAR from SPT hub.... PMC aggression and group size and sniper placement are all CORRECTED with MOAR, while using SAIN.

• PMC's not in their own group (I set group size to 2 max) will attack other PMCs on sight and scavs
• sniper scavs will target you from further away (beyond 100m)
• PMCs when taking elevated positions that can see further will take shots at me from beyond 100m (Customs 3 silo outdoor tower structure by fortress, shooting all the way to radio tower and back railroad tracks to the south)

Bosses have their advanced vision back and will engage at longer ranges (goons expected as they always have insane vision) - beyond 100m if fired upon first or you make enough commotion and get noticed in the open 50m and out.

• PMCs set to 1.0 difficulty
• Scavs set to .85 difficulty on MOAR server config

Raids feel Live Like with PMCs pushing hard, Scavs making insane random shots that hit, and Bosses that cheat their butts off!

Thank you @primal thicket for your great spawn mod! Sorry @brittle rose I couldn't seem to get your ABPS working after a month of tweaking it... not sure why the PMC aggro and bosses just stand there dormant with yours.

**No other bot brain mods were altered/removed/added during the testing... only MOAR or ABPS were added or removed. **

**Other bot brain mods installed during testing: **

• Phen Roaming Bots
• Looting Bots
• Waypoints
• BigBrain
• SAIN
• Acid's Progressive Bot System
• FIKA + Headless Client

Oh and with MOAR you can effectively "clear the map" if you kill everything by the 10min mark. (PMC spawns set to 0.1, and Scav spawns at default in the config).

It's so nice to be able to explore without scav waves swarming for the whole raid!

[unkempt urchin]

Finished some further testing on all maps as seen in my post in the SAIN channel: #1233871315690328156 message

Turned out great, and plays like Live Tarkov or very similar. Thanks @primal thicket again for making this easy to play Labs again!

My MOAR settings here:
#1233871315690328156 message

[primal thicket]

I need to remove a few spawns on the other side of the hermetic door in labs

[unkempt urchin]

By chance is there a specific reason Zachy boi doesn't 100% spawn with MOAR default settings on Lighthouse?

[primal thicket]

Performance

AdvancedConfigs.json performanceChangesthos changes streets too and helps a LOT on that map and lighthouse for rogues

[unkempt urchin]

That would help a lot! I ran out of ammo three times and had to keep running back for guns

[unkempt urchin]

I saw that, less Rogues on water treatment more often and less guards on Streets... interesting... so I can set "EnableBossPerformanceImprovements": true, to FALSE in the advancedConfig.json and it will allow Rogues and Bosses and Guards to spawn in like LIVE?

[primal thicket]

Yes

But be warned for performance

[unkempt urchin]

7900XTX + 9800X3d + 64GB DDR5, not worried.

[primal thicket]

I prefer high frames on lighthouse and streets.

I have a similar rig

[unkempt urchin]

And it still... takes a hit... (concern.gif) ok then, leaving as is.
And yes, I like 90+ on all maps as a minimum.

[primal thicket]

Feel free to turn it off and give it a whirl

[earnest lodge]

headless go brr

[unkempt urchin]

@primal thicket do you use Headless?

[topaz edge]

Oh i need to change that on headless thanks

[topaz edge]

yeah even in headless i lost frames but worth it

[lime hatch]

Anyone know why I'm not getting any "normal" scav spawns? As in, the ones that just wander around an area? Pmcs are working great and sniper scavs are spawning too, just not normal scavs.

[heavy raft]

Definitely don’t have that problem. I had to kick up the wave multiplier thing a fair bit to get it where I wanted, but they spawn for me.

[topaz edge]

probably your max bots not letting them spawn

[delicate tree]

if i want the cultist spawns higher can i just add the sectantPriest line with spawn chance to the config?

[sour karma]

add them to the bossconfig on whatever map you want them to spawn on, yes. they only spawn at night however.