#DewardianDev's Mods

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primal thicket
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That's fine

cosmic palm
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What, are we all supposed to fight over one dedi? 🤣

primal thicket
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Yup.

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You are doing it now regardless

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With worse performance

cosmic palm
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I was told multiple dedis is not reccomended. I have the hardware for it on my server, thats for sure.

primal thicket
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There is only one needed

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Whoever hosts now is effectively forcing all to connect to their instance and use a few of your many threads to do it

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All will benefit from you getting a dedi

cosmic palm
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I thought you had to have one dedi per raid? Like if Team 1 is in customs and Team 2 is in Interchange, that would need to be two dedis.

primal thicket
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Hmmm

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Yeah once the dedi is in use I thought it wasn't available for others

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Check lact

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Lacy

cosmic palm
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Because it is a single client. Its a "player" essentially.

primal thicket
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Dude go ask in questions chat

cosmic palm
primal thicket
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Sorry I get like 20 dms a day about my mods, I need to try to route that traffic here and keep this more or less on topic

sour karma
# cosmic palm I was told multiple dedis is not reccomended. I have the hardware for it on my s...

i believe you were told multiple raids is not recommended. and since having more than one raid going at once is not recommended, multiple dedicated clients is also not recommended since the only use for them is multiple concurrent raids.

spin more than one dedi if you want. you're already risking profile corruption by having more than one raid going at once.

sorry for the off topic, just wanted to clarify.

cosmic palm
alpine swift
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I keep... missing... the spawn setting pop up.
Aaaa

unborn niche
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since i keep getting complaints about the scav camp on interchange being empty, would adding a handful of hotzones to the config fix it
especially if i then repeat the zones i want to be even hotter more than once

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so like have oli, goshan and idea be written in once, then have scav camp input twice

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somehow on default settings what im being told is that pmcs are plentiful while scavs become rare
meanwhile what ive seen is pmcs die to scavs and eachother and then its just a tiny trickle of scavs (like 6-8 at once on reserve with no or maybe 1 pmc left)

primal thicket
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Lol

primal thicket
alpine swift
primal thicket
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You might also try back loading scavs like live

primal thicket
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With a little quote added for flavour

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2.5.7 was mostly a bepinex change

alpine swift
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2.6.7

primal thicket
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Le sigh

alpine swift
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I dunno why I didnt see it.
Probably got distracted and missed updating

primal thicket
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I added it 90% because you mentioned it

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10% because I wanted to add quirky quotes

dreamy holly
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Both gate extracts in labs have PMC's spawn in on the wrong side of the gate preventing them from accessing the map unless the gates are open via the control panels in the offices.

ornate fiber
rugged shard
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Did the latest mystery update happen to contain a patch for sniper scav rarity?

primal thicket
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No. New things coming soonish though.

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2.6.5 I think had a small fix. But I'll be rerolling a lot of these

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3.0 will change a lot

alpine swift
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I dont know if you can do anything about it, but I had another funny on Ground Zero today.
From the AGS building, I watched a group of 3-4 PMCs spawn underneath the Gagarin roof.
They... then fought each other partially

alpine swift
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Also, had a Sniper Scav be spawned as Assault Scav (on Sniper Rock, woods) with a Vector

tame pine
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How does min spawn distance in MOAR config work? Does it apply to players only or scav and pmc's too? And is it for any player or the host only? Does dedicated affect it in any way?

balmy wasp
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Dedicated shouldnt affect it as it is controlled by the server.

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I do not know whether it affects absolutely all entities or not. I know it affects the player for sure.

tame pine
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Hm, I wonder if the dedicated still has a position on the map somewhere

unborn niche
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afaik somewhere under the map

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because its a player, and ive had audio from it before i had the thought to mute it

alpine swift
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Its way under the map
Far enough it shouldnt make any sounds or be aimed at
Like... half a kilometer below

unborn niche
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well somehow ive had louder guns come through,which had me confused for some time as to why i was struggling to pinpoint distant shots and double audio

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Also i never thought about moars min distance limit and how it applies in this instance. i just assumed it's all players (moar is designed for fika from the start) and never really had a teammate get jumped like that

tame pine
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Thanks for the responses
I was curious because I had a friend in shoreline weather tower see a pmc spawn in a shack at the other end of it while I was further away

alpine swift
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I also have seen AI spawn.
It happens
It doesnt (seem?) to check for LoS, just distance
And 50m (as example) is closer than you think

alpine swift
ivory notch
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The game features a hot sauce?

alpine swift
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Yeah, the lighthouse Sniper

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I just cant rmemeber his name right

ivory notch
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I know I'm just shitposting emotmmmsmug

primal thicket
alpine swift
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I use Acids one.
His log said the scav was spawned as Assault.

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APBS

lusty talon
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fucking around with the presets, is doing anything with the cult possible

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i didn't see a BossPriest in the thing

rugged shard
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i had to do it on night time factory cause i couldnt get them to spawn

alpine swift
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Is there a list of 'avaiable' Hotspots somewhere or could there be one added?

rugged shard
alpine swift
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Thank you kindly

midnight charm
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AllTheSeasons seems to not work for me, only log related to it is this: Mod: AllTheSeasons version: 1.2.2 by: DewardianDev loaded, no log messages after raid has ended or anything like that. SVM force season disabled and events disabled.

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config is completely original also

primal thicket
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svm force season disabled..

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Don't touch svm and expect things to work

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😛

lusty talon
unborn niche
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ok ive basically confirmed that MOAR causes all scavs to spawn as normal difficulty. both apbs and raidreview confirm it. ive tried without other mods just in case

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and on different scav difficulty slider setting too. PMCs are varied, except the bell curve seems wider than said. on 1.1 config says youll get only hard-impossible, yet normal ones still spawn

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but i know 3.0 is in the works so hopefully that fixes all of this

cosmic palm
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@primal thicket Found a bit of a bug. Well, we have been having this bug ever since adding MOAR, but when extracting on certain extracts, a scav will spawn in-place of the extracted player. Here are two scavs spawned in in Labs.

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uneven wind
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as far as I know, that's bsg behavior

alpine swift
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'behavior'

cosmic palm
primal nova
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Same, my friends extracted through the corner bunker on customs, I was about 20 seconds behind and found a scav staring at me in the dark

primal thicket
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lol

alpine swift
unborn niche
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omg lol ok, so scavs with moar respect pre-raid window settings

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both difficulty and ai amount in pre-raid window settings applies to scavs. i had set them (for testing purposes) to high amount and impossible difficulty. 13 pmc and 66 scav spawns

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and leaving things "as online" instead defaults them to moar spawn amounts and normal difficulty

unborn niche
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setting difficulty to random does this

cyan violet
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Me when "Loaded preset Random"

unborn niche
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you just have to edit the config to give you livelike only

cyan violet
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I know, I have it.

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It was just basically a meme.

unborn niche
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ok well to be fair, setting difficulty to random apparently just makes scavs progress in difficulty

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except it kinda goes fast?

primal thicket
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That's default tarkov

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You spend 40 minutes in raid to get head eyes at extract

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Sound familiar

unborn niche
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i suppose so, new runs on random did produce more random results

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though i have a feeling difficulty is per squad because i only saw them in clumped difficulties

tired iris
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How does ALP scaling work when there's multiple players with differing levels in a raid? Is it host, highest/lowest or average?

lusty talon
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could i make a feature request for MOAR? it'd be nice to have a keybind that lets you remind yourself which preset has been selected

tawny wind
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Hey guys, my friends complain about ai spawning when they are extracting on extract, can anyone provide comments about this

alpine swift
tawny wind
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Oh damn really

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pve I never seen this problem

alpine swift
rugged shard
lusty talon
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Sometimes other peoples setting selections get set as yours, it’s easy to miss if you aren’t expecting it

rugged shard
rugged shard
lusty talon
lusty talon
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But I’ve had moments where I go “man where the fuck are the pmcs I’ve had nothing but scavs” where I want to double check

rugged shard
tame pine
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I tried limiting max ammo tier for scavs in ALP but had no success, are they the "assault" in NonPmCconfig?

lusty talon
rugged shard
lusty talon
rugged shard
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I get that but i thought its bad to run 2 raids at once

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At least thats what I saw lacyway saying as it risks profile corruption

lusty talon
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we've not had any issues with this

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@fervent holly sorry for the ping, is this still the case?

tulip terrace
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There's also assaultGroup (I think? On my phone) that can spawn.. why is this a separate thing? Because bsg

lusty talon
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i mean i might actually be able to merge request my feature request

tulip terrace
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Multiple raids at once should work fine. As for why MOAR settings are getting overriden it's because they're server side

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Even if you have the client side mod installed the settings are all pulled from server side (client side is just an editor for the server side settings)

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Also don't ping Lacy for other mod issues 🤷🏿‍♀️

lusty talon
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it's (allegedly) a fika issue

tulip terrace
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This is a mod thread that's being shit up with random talk about an issue that doesn't exist

lusty talon
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issue that doesn't exist

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there's my answer

tulip terrace
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I'm in a mood today 😂

lusty talon
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is there a section in MOAR/Helpers/Settings.cs that doesn't get overwritten by the server

fervent holly
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#1327689545088634981 message

fervent holly
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Was an issue with file locking.

tulip terrace
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so... it doesn't exist... anymore pepeCheeky

fervent holly
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Was never "a Fika issue" (I fucking hate that term)

lusty talon
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oh i fully see what the server thing is doing

lusty talon
fervent holly
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Good night

lusty talon
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sleep well

tulip terrace
lusty talon
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i also figured out how the server does things

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so i see how not to overwrite it

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well we got htis

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if my logic works... this might be MR worthy

alpine swift
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MR?

lusty talon
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merge request

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i hate github notation, i use gitlab terms

alpine swift
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I mean, I dunno what it would be for github anyway

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So

lusty talon
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pull request

alpine swift
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Right

lusty talon
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... it works

alpine swift
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It does

lusty talon
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the keybind works

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i just need to test changing it

tame pine
lusty talon
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is anyone else getting this nullref?

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i need to check if i did something or if it's "vanilla" moar behaviour

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mm, it might be a me thing

lusty talon
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not my fault, it's a "vanilla" thing.

surreal sparrow
lusty talon
snow bough
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It shows up in every log we get from players in the support channel

primal thicket
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I'll likely rewrite it as I do. But would be cool to look at.

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just working on other things as of late.

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like rewriting the spawn system... 😐

lusty talon
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whatever you wanna do with it

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don't use it at all if you dont want to

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i did.. very little

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slid a keypress check into methods, cleaned up unused imports, and the try catch thing

cosmic palm
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Does anyone know what the bloodhounds are named?

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Peacemaker?

primal thicket
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Ummm crazyAssaultEvent?

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Or arenaFighterEvent

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maybe that one 🙃

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Enjoy!

primal nova
primal thicket
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arenaFighterEvent << pretty sure this one.

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for bloody british hounds

worldly tinsel
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^ correct

primal nova
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arena fighter is smuggler apparently, maybe it shares type with bloodhound?
L16509 in database/locales/global/en.json

"ScavRole/ArenaFighterEvent": "Smuggler",

primal thicket
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huh..

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weird

cosmic palm
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So..... not bloodhounds? 0-0

worldly tinsel
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Def used to be bloodhounds in 3.9

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Oh right, on Dynamic Maps Bloodhounds appear as PMCs and smugglers as bosses in SPT 3.10

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So I assume they are not the same. At least DM thinks so.

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~~Maybe I'm mixing things up. ~~

worldly tinsel
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Bloodhounds appear as bosses. Disregard above.

lusty talon
primal thicket
primal thicket
paper oriole
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Using preset more scavs and pmcs on factory the first 10 min or so is all pmcs and the overall ratio the entire raid time ends up being like 4-5 to 1 pmcs to scavs

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The waves are much more spaced out which I assume is intended but for factory it feels off especially with the pmc to scav ratio

paper oriole
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Swapping to live like yielded similar results on factory but a more even ratio due to lower group numbers or single spawns

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The timing seemed the same for spawns with pmcs first and more scavs later but the timing for factory is off as I got scav spawns way later near the end of the raid (5 min mark) when I would expect most people to have killed pmcs, looted, and extracted by the time you saw any significant number of scavs

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I didn't change any default settings for those I only swapped the preset but will turn off spawn smoothing and run them again

worldly tinsel
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Did you make any changes to each WaveDistribution?

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Those are set to early PMCs, late Scavs by default.

paper oriole
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No I did not but the previous version didn't seem so heavy handed with the timing of them

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Not even spawning singles anywhere

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The raids on factory specifically are drastically different now due to the short raid time so once pmcs spawned and fight there is a long period of dead space until either a single or few pmcs/scavs spawn which is then followed by more dead space

worldly tinsel
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That's why it's highly experimental.

paper oriole
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Yeah I'm not complaining just giving my opinions

worldly tinsel
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Me neither, just pointing out that there ways to change those values to your liking, is all.

paper oriole
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I'm also seeing pmcs spawn basically on top of each other and immediately killing one another

unborn niche
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if you're using sain, its very likely its more because of it than moar
sain bots love to make a meatgrinder

paper oriole
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Right but figured it would be easier to test using default settings instead of giving opinions based off of me tinkering with every single setting

unborn niche
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thats fair, im just giving my observations too peepo_love

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feedback is gud

paper oriole
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Yeah also using sain for these sorry should have mentioned

unborn niche
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if i get the chance ill test on interchange and reserve because those maps always were good to me when it comes to bot spawn testing

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also raidreview is absolutely stellar for gathering results

paper oriole
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Yeah will run one more on factory as thats what I mostly play on but will be testing on customs next

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I'm tracking everything through dynamics maps and keeping an eye on the time

worldly tinsel
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I'll just share this here, as I'll be keeping eyes on those points as well.

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unborn niche
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i let moar bot limit be 25 yesterday but numbers still hung around 20
but that's on last stable, will gladly test today

paper oriole
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Interesting I did notice in the last version bots did seem to go over max and I would seldom see sniper spawns

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Will keep those in mind thanks for sharing

unborn niche
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oh yeah sniper scavs have been gone for me. they were back a few updates ago and now are gone again

paper oriole
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Customs on more scavs and pmcs with default settings felt much better

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Can confirm all 4 scavs snipers I know did end up spawning by the halfway mark

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By the end of the raid I did count 32 active/alive bots and it reached that number around the 10 min mark

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I also saw two separate scav group spawns of 6 even though the preset lists max scav spawn group to be 5

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Still saw a pmc group spawn in and eventually start shooting at each other after around a min

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The pmc to scav ratio was flipped as well with there being twice as many scavs by the end

alpine swift
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I mean, the ratio is never going to be the same.
It just changes spawn chances.

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Also, I had it so many times that snipers dont spawn :(

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Only the closest to you

paper oriole
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I see

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I was posted up at the very edge near big red and all 4 spawned just fine and the two near fortress were even shot and killed

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I've had starting pmcs off this whole time as well but it spawns them as if it was on
Unsure if thats a preset thing or not

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Same settings as customs on reserve had similar results but bots never went over 20 probably due to the size of the map so bots are more often fighting each other

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Around the 10 min mark had around 16 active/alive bots

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Scavs still spawn in big numbers around that time so the pmc to scav ratio gets skewed more towards scavs

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The 14 scavs that were spawned under the 10 min mark all spawned in big groups in the underground warehouse

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I would assume all the other maps (except streets) will perform similarly at this point but I do think the factory times need to be tightened up so players aren't running around the first half of the raid doing nothing after killing a few pmcs and maybe one scav

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I do like how it is performance wise now only having tested customs and reserve as main points

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The performance in the stable version fluctuated between perfectly fine and a notable frame reduction on those maps

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Hopefully the info helps thanks for the mod c:

ivory notch
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I doubt moar itself would have a performance impact, it's a server side mod with a tiny overhead. It's the number of live ai that causes problems.

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Ie 20 ai would have the same impact irrespective of the moar version.

paper oriole
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Thats true its more so that performance stays relatively the same until near the end with a lot of stuff spawning where as before it might spawn everything at the beginning and I would see way lower performance throughout the whole raid

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I did note that the max bot cap had gone over but was also the case for stable so thats prob more to do with what I was mainly seeing before

ivory notch
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I suspect it's that bosses don't count into the cap

paper oriole
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Maybe but by chance I didn't get bosses at all when I tested earlier and even if I did, it had gone over by around 5 near the end on customs

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I would think its gonna be that bot cap over the course of the raid and how the waves are setup which seem to determine the spawn stutters and overall performance

cosmic palm
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@primal thicket Could you explain your methodology for including PMCs in the max bot cap? Would there be a way to seperate "bots" and PMCs into their own capped category so as to say, only allow 8 PMCs and 10 scavs on Shoreline?

lusty talon
tame pine
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tried a couple of quick raids, will do more later tonight. at first glance sniper scavs seemed to spawn much more now, but raids felt much quieter. will look into what happened a bit later

primal thicket
hoary locust
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for MOAR, in a scav raid when joining late do the number of waves get reduced based on the time left in raid or do the waves just get compressed into a shorter period of time? lately our scav raids pretty consistently feel like a throwdown, so I was looking for a way to have at least a chance for them to be more dead

primal thicket
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No. I haven't done a Scav pass yet

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Will do soon

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Thanks for the feedback all!!!

primal thicket
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All in all, it sounds like the performance mode is working. Maybe not the best in factory

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Can you folks try turning smoothing off and see how it feels?

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Smoothing will likely be off by default in future builds

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I think smoothing makes sense for larger maps.
I may make the smoothing distribution configurable in map settings

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Factory sounds like it needs it

primal thicket
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The goal of smoothing was to eliminate concurrent async botgen occuring. Creating two generation workloads at the same time

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I can likely do this with a lighter hand, only moving those waves that are near to eachother, but this was a good first proof.
I

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I was able to maintain 4k at 110fps stable for a customs raid.

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Dlss on but still felt good

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No to little stuttees

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Stutters*

cosmic palm
primal thicket
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no

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The latest is mostly for testing,

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it will be left off by default

soft reef
earnest lodge
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sorry, you got filtered for 'suspected spam' I assume it just didn't liek the wall of text

soft reef
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No worries, just copied into a pastebin instead

primal thicket
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Ignore those

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They are warnings

soft reef
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Cool, no worries. I think ive only noticed them due to levelling up enough for snipers to spawn with that gun.

cosmic palm
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@primal thicket Hey man, hope you are having a good weel. Do you know if ALP touches stuff in players bbackpacks?

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Having an issue where every player is spawning with a Res. Unit keycard in their bags.

primal thicket
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Pmcs no

cosmic palm
brittle rose
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It's vanilla SPT logic

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APBS doesn't do it because it specifically adds that as a blacklisted item. If ALP doesn't do anything with that blacklist then it would still spawn

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SPT PMC loot is based on an items value. The lower the value the more likely it is to spawn. The res keycard has no value, so it is constantly spawning.

cosmic palm
# brittle rose It's vanilla SPT logic

I had my server up since 4PM yesterday, hadnt changed a thing, and all the sudden its doing it. Was about to try on my non-fika test server. Do you think its not worth chasing down?

I treid ALPs blacklist, but it only blacklists players from "using" that item, like weapons or helmets I assume. So I dont think that works.

cosmic palm
brittle rose
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I already know what causes it and why

cosmic palm
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Same thing used to happen with the AXMC pad in 3.9.

cosmic palm
brittle rose
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It 100% isn't a mod issue. It's a SPT issue because that item has no value anime_shrug

cosmic palm
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Got it! Didnt even know a blacklist was here!

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Very cool.

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@primal thicket maybe a cool future feature! 😉

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@brittle rose Thanks for your help man, have a great night.

brittle rose
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Yeah you're not gunna wanna put it in that blacklist if that's the item.json blacklist

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Or you'll literally never see it spawn

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There's a backpackLoot blacklist

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I just put it in the backpackLoot, vestLoot, and pocketLoot ones

cosmic palm
brisk breach
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hey, using MOAR with Fika and seems really good so far. only two relatively minor issues found, configs have not been changed aside from the wave multiplier and distribution

-factory day, a PMC spawned way underground (under the map) and was trying to shoot up from underneath the whole time
-scav raid on interchange, the group of players spawned in right alongside a pmc group that immediately killed them

primal thicket
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Yeah spawns need a rework

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I'm trying the tarkov code is rough

tawny wind
primal thicket
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That's random

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Or do you mean when you extract?

tawny wind
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My buddy will extract then a bot will spawn as well and I have to fight the bot to get to extract

primal thicket
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Yeah not Moar related pretty sure

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Seen that too

silk sapphire
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I read somewhere that that is an eft bug

alpine swift
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^

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Apparently so

brisk breach
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huh, yeah, we just ran into that last night. two friends extracted at old gas in customs, two scavs spawned at the extract immediately

weird

uneven wind
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15.5 was notorious for that in testing

north breach
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Just gonna put this here. Give MOAR with svm boss settings on it's actually good.

primal thicket
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Okay, my new MOAR build is almost ready for testing
It introduces cascading spawns,
It dedups spawns in the same vicinity, and ensures that spawns are generally spread out a bit.
It rewrites how marksman are assigned and when
The new smoothing algorithm is quite good, it should help with performance quite a bit.
The cascading spawns bit basically prioritizes spawning bots somewhat closer to the player.
Or rather the "cascade" part is imagine the players spawnpoint was a drop in water.
As the wave generated from the drop expands, those spawns come online .
This means if you spawn on the far left of the map, spawns will radiate outward from your position to the right.
IE the first 5 minutes most spawns would be in front of you
As you progress, the wave continues
It is possible to outrun the wave. But the spawns are pretty well timed at the moment.
I have repurposed every non boss spawn in the game (including other player spawns) to be usable by pmcs/scavs
Also the dedupe alrgorithm generally ensures that there shouldn't be clumps of spawns together
most fights at the start of raids now are between spawned bosses and pmcs
as pmcs/scavs spawn with usually enough of a spread to prevent the instant action.
Oh. one negative.
entry point selector will no longer work with moar
As to utilize all the spawns possible, I randomly choose a spawn for the player, then grab the 30 - 80 remaining player spawns, and set them to be used by scavs/pmcs

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This means that players now get expanded unique spawns to the tune of 40 - 80 per map
which are then shuffled back into the bank for usage by bots

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Here's the link (HIGHLY EXPERIEMNTAL 2.7.0 RC2): <redacted>

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Feedback needed ^^ 🍻

heavy raft
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Does the minimum spawn distance still play nice with this then? Waves out in front shouldnt spawn anything within the minmum range you set?

primal thicket
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correct

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Also took a large bite out of spawns without a set distance of the player

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so you shouldn't have anything spawn on top of you.

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But.. I need to make sure that I hold out pmcs spawns by 10 seconds

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as right now there is a bug where pmcs can spawn near you before you are technically spawned in.

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If they spawn before the timer is over

primal thicket
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Found a small bug with fika coop, and fixed it, confirming now.

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The host would always have extracts and then it was a 50/50 if group members did

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Have run 3 raids thus far and no issues

primal thicket
surreal sparrow
# primal thicket New build here (MOAR 2.7.0 RC3) : https://github.com/Andrewgdewar/MOAR/releases/...

When pmcWaveQuantity is set to 0, I got this stacktrace on the server

TypeError: Cannot set properties of undefined (setting 'BossZone')
TypeError: Cannot set properties of undefined (setting 'BossZone')
    at E:\SPT_3105\user\mods\DewardianDev-MOAR\src\Spawning\buildPmcs.ts:123:27
    at Array.forEach (<anonymous>)
    at buildPmcs (E:\SPT_3105\user\mods\DewardianDev-MOAR\src\Spawning\buildPmcs.ts:121:17)
    at buildWaves (E:\SPT_3105\user\mods\DewardianDev-MOAR\src\Spawning\Spawning.ts:146:12)
    at Moar.postSptLoad (E:\SPT_3105\user\mods\DewardianDev-MOAR\src\mod.ts:34:17)
    at PostSptModLoader.executeModsAsync (C:\snapshot\src\loaders\PostSptModLoader.ts:56:46)
    at PostSptModLoader.load (C:\snapshot\src\loaders\PostSptModLoader.ts:28:24)
    at ModCallbacks.onLoad (C:\snapshot\src\callbacks\ModCallbacks.ts:29:41)
    at App.load (C:\snapshot\src\utils\App.ts:53:26)
TypeError: Cannot set properties of undefined (setting 'BossZone')
TypeError: Cannot set properties of undefined (setting 'BossZone')
    at E:\SPT_3105\user\mods\DewardianDev-MOAR\src\Spawning\buildPmcs.ts:123:27
    at Array.forEach (<anonymous>)
    at buildPmcs (E:\SPT_3105\user\mods\DewardianDev-MOAR\src\Spawning\buildPmcs.ts:121:17)
    at buildWaves (E:\SPT_3105\user\mods\DewardianDev-MOAR\src\Spawning\Spawning.ts:146:12)
    at Moar.postSptLoad (E:\SPT_3105\user\mods\DewardianDev-MOAR\src\mod.ts:34:17)
    at PostSptModLoader.executeModsAsync (C:\snapshot\src\loaders\PostSptModLoader.ts:56:46)
    at PostSptModLoader.load (C:\snapshot\src\loaders\PostSptModLoader.ts:28:24)
    at ModCallbacks.onLoad (C:\snapshot\src\callbacks\ModCallbacks.ts:29:41)
    at App.load (C:\snapshot\src\utils\App.ts:53:26)
primal thicket
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Will look. That shouldn't happen.

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Thanks for the bug report

surreal sparrow
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I added a if here (in buildPmcs.ts)

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primal thicket
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Oh thanks. Silly mistake on my part

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The same will happen with scavs then

heavy raft
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I must be doing something wrong then.... no extracts 5 raids in a row.

I've done 2 fresh installs on the server (deleting the old MOAR folder, wiping my cache, reinstalling), I make minor tweaks (adjusting down bot difficulty, lower PMC group to 3, botcap 20, boss chances to 15 and preset percentages).

Using a dedicated client. Both were on streets. Gonna try some other maps now I guess. And I will test I suppose without my small changes to the config, but cant imagine those changes would cause anything like this?

Customs too. I'll try without changing anything to the config at all then

paper grove
heavy raft
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So far on my 3rd fresh install, testing 5 raids, making a change, testing 5 raids etc.. the issue has not returned. So not sure what was going on, unless I haven’t made the triggering change yet.

About to start the preset changes, all that’s left.

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Though I HAVE been blow up within 10 seconds of spawn by PMC grenades twice now during my testing lol. But Dewar said that could happen so that’s expected for now I guess!

primal thicket
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The previous version rc2 had an issue with missing extracts

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This one shouldn't

surreal sparrow
paper grove
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Is there a way to specifically set the number of PMC's that will spawn on a map? Even with Live Like, it seems like we are constantly getting PMCS over the entire raid.

balmy wasp
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Turn on Starting PMCs in the config

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this will force ONLY the starting PMCs to spawn

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the rest will be scavs, just like on Live

paper grove
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hmm, I thought I'd done that, will confirm, thanks.

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So no way to specify the COUNT though, what if Im silly and want 20 at start or something?

balmy wasp
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that I don't think is specifiable... maybe on MapConfig?

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idk

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but by default you will get a random preset btw

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so you have to adjust the weightings in the config to prefer the LiveLike whihc is equal to the default

paper grove
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yeah I only wanted live like so I just put it at 100 and the rest to 0... I assume that gets me there.

unborn niche
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its already rather static, even without starting pmcs

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im at 1.2 pmc quantity and i almost always end up with a total of 20 pmc spawns

balmy wasp
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bear in mind: your PMCs spawning all at once will have a minor adverse effect on initial raid performance

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cause you have abuncha pmc brains strolling around murdering scavs and themselves

paper grove
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yeah, Im mostly fine with that, with dedicated Im at like 50-70 fps on most maps pretty solidly. WIthout dedicated... man, that shit nosedives.

unborn niche
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in mapconfig there are total pmc and scav waves specified per map
those get multiplied by the quantity slider if you touch it
pmc waves can be seen as total amount of pmcs allowed to ever spawn, because when it spawns a group it takes away more than one pmcwavequantity

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scav wave is different because scavs spawning in groups also only takes away 1 from the total

paper grove
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ok let me make sure Im tracking so I dont keep asking dumb shit, sorry... So by default the quantity slider is 1 and on customs the wave count is 12. So... 12 PMC's total, and if I turn on Starting PMC's and force the die roll to Live Like. I SHOULD get 12 PMC bots at raid start?

unborn niche
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do me a favor and tell me what the pmc wave was on reserve?

paper grove
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11

unborn niche
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well dewar did say that pmc groups take up more of the total

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but on reserve default with quantity of 1.2 i always had 20 pmcs

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so no multiplier should be like 16-17

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but it was always the same number, i don't use starting pmcs

paper grove
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So a group only takes up 1 "slot" for PMC's regardless of size, thats fine I can live with that. Ok, I think I kinda get it.

unborn niche
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dewar said its like that for scavs, groups also count as 1

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pmc groups counted as however many spawned but apparently maybe not

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lemme put it this way: setting up moar is more art than science

paper grove
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hmm ok yeah I havent been able to get more than like 3 PMCs to spawn even with starting PMCs set. I will just try low round numbers and see what happens.

unborn niche
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do you have actual numbers of pmcs spawned or just guessing

paper grove
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Im looking at dynamic maps so I have the number

unborn niche
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and how are scavs looking

paper grove
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about to find out

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so... starting PMCS, force live like, quantity 1, wave count 8, max bots 10. I am expecting 8 PMCS 2 scavs, or 8 PMCS + bosses

unborn niche
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Staring pmcs off
pmc distribution 0.8
scav distribution 0.4
pmc quantity 1.2
max bots 20
check fika.core ai limiting options in case something is turned on there

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could also set scav group to 3 (iirc defaults to 4)

paper grove
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yeh I just left everything else as is, I just grabbed the new version today so everything else is whatever settings it came with.

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so... that spawned 2 PMCS basically directly on top of me despit min distance being 100m and 1 scav

unborn niche
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could try turning open zones off

paper grove
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4 PMCS rather, apparently they spawned directly on each other and 2 died instantly lol

unborn niche
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kinda cursed

primal thicket
primal thicket
primal thicket
paper grove
primal thicket
primal thicket
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Or just set it to live like in the preset in f12

primal thicket
primal thicket
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A big caveat to this conversation is Moar adjusts quantities by raid time

paper grove
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So back to this,
starting PMCS, force live like, quantity 1, wave count 8, max bots 10. I am expecting 8 PMCS 2 scavs, or 8 PMCS + bosses

I ended up with 4 PMCS at start and 1 scav

primal thicket
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As some goobers insist on spending 4 hours on a 20 minute map

primal thicket
paper grove
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Raid launch. So the 5 then some others trckled in but it was all scavs.

primal thicket
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What version are you on,

paper grove
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most recent one you put in here

primal thicket
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The experimental build?

paper grove
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it fixed the broken exfil stuff with PTT btw

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yeah

primal thicket
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PTT?

paper grove
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path to tarkov

primal thicket
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Ah

paper grove
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the one you posted last night

primal thicket
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What are you expecting? That all pmcs spawn at the beginning?

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With starting pmcs on you likely need to turn smoothing off

paper grove
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thats what I was trying for, if thatsnot possible its not possible.

primal thicket
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Otherwise the game will still spread out the waves over the first 5 or so minutes

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The idea of starting pmcs doesn't make sense with the way that the current wave cascade works

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I'd likely turn off the cascade setting too

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If you want that

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I don't really care about starting pmcs. It's a dumb concept for spt

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I am maintaining it for others use

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But it really doesn't make sense unless you enjoy finding dead pmcs

paper grove
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fair, Im trying to find a balance between that and literally just constant PMC spawning. Cause with PTT, thats basically just free loot and kinda makes a more "hardcore" setup meaningless if every body is a fresh battlefield pickup always.

primal thicket
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There isn't constant PMC spawning.

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This isn't swag

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The amount is defined and set

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When is a rolled question

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As if 4 pmcs spawn together at the start, keep in mind cascading spawns (meaning those 4 spawned near you), it will be a few minutes before more spawn. As the spacing is by quantity and time

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So if it was all singles they may spawn over 1 minute

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But a group of 4 would make the next group spawn a minute or two out

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The idea is to prevent you from being attacked at all sides

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If you turn off smoothing and turn on starting pmcs. You are likely to be surrounded quickly

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And murdered

paper grove
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in theory shoulnt the min spawn distance mitigate that to a degree? Im still having guys spawn on top of me and I have it set to 100m on Customs.

primal thicket
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Turning off cascading spawns should prevent the murder part

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That's a separate issue

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Related mostly to spawntime

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As the distance from player doesn't seem to work if you are in the raid countdown

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I am fixing that today

paper grove
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nice, yeah it was a recurring issue with swag too

heavy raft
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Dont mean to jump in, but, man, is anyone else on RC3 having the extract issues? I was good after my last full install, and then suddenly it went 100% failure on Night Factory. I reset the server and its fine again...

My brain is fried today, I'm probably jsut gonna roll back for now, lol. Besides that I might be at a fresh server side reisntall of SPT/FIKA completely but am really trying to avoide that

primal thicket
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Thats not good

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I'll look into it.

heavy raft
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I am not opposed to I am a doof and messed soemthing up, lol, but it was all good, I tried the RC2, and was OK for a couple raids, didnt really play it long enough I guess till you rolled out RC3, and then yea, its been hit or miss with the extracts.

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I am also curious, reading above, as I am one of the wierdos that likes Starting PMCs sadge ... (sorry!)

Is the idea that you would use cascade, NOT starting PMCs, and the say 10 PMCs for the map are jsut now spread out in those cascading waves, am I understanding the idea correctly?

Cause that would be OK. My like of Starting PMC is I dont like constant PMCs spawning thorugh out the raid, like Swagnuts was before the STarting PMC setting.

primal thicket
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The pmcs spawn in the first 5 ish minutes mostly.

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With a few later than that

heavy raft
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Ideally I like starting PMCs to all load in at the start, all over the map, and not respawn. I dont want them all droppign in on my head obiously, lol

primal thicket
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I have changed a few things that should help with the dropbear spawning issue

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{ BossName: 'pmcBEAR', Time: 11 },
{ BossName: 'pmcUSEC', Time: 17 },
{ BossName: 'pmcBEAR', Time: 30 },
{ BossName: 'pmcUSEC', Time: 49 },
{ BossName: 'pmcUSEC', Time: 74 },
{ BossName: 'pmcBEAR', Time: 105 },
{ BossName: 'pmcUSEC', Time: 143 },
{ BossName: 'pmcBEAR', Time: 187 }

paper grove
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fuckin dropbears man... they get you every time

primal thicket
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3 minutes, with spawn smoothing on and starting pmcs

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that's labs

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woods is longer (longer map)

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{ BossName: 'pmcUSEC', Time: 450 },

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last spawn at 7.5 minutes

heavy raft
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Thank you for all your hard work Dewar, truly. Besides the extract thing, I am really enjoying the new builds. I dont mind a PMC or 2 spawning near at the start, I mean that can happen in live too. I think the smoothing and all that is working awesome

primal thicket
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Set min starting time for spawns,
set players spawns to type pmc (might help with no extract 🤷‍♂️ )
shuffle all spawns before sorting/culling/creating new ones

primal thicket
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Will push update to the above hold for 5 mins

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pushed

paper grove
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yaaaay

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Dewar, another ? Who is the PMCBot entry on the boss config?

primal thicket
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raider

paper grove
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ahh ok that makes sense and arena fighters are Bloodhounds?

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What spawns the smugglers in then?

primal nova
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"ScavRole/ArenaFighterEvent": "Smuggler",
locale implies arenaFighter is smuggler

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joe_thinking apparently arenafighter and arenafighterevent both exist
so arenafighter might be bloodhound and ..event is smuggler

primal thicket
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🤷‍♂️

primal nova
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if only bsg would name things sanely jjjkekw

paper grove
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you mean like South Fence Passage actually being on the North side of Shoreline? And then also it is now the exfil for Old Bunker.

paper grove
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@primal thicket do Bosses come out of the Scav count or.... elsewhere?

primal thicket
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There is a total count. Of all bots

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Scavs/pmcs will not exceed this number

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In practice it's a bit more nuanced

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If say the limit is 19

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And there are 18 bots

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The next "wave" to will spawn

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Which could have 1 bot or 4

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Also bosses/marksman are unrestricted by this number

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And are only affected by their spawn chance

paper grove
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So bosses straight up dont care about the Max Bot cap then?

primal thicket
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At least the above is true for 2.6.5^

primal thicket
paper grove
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awesome thanks much, I assumed that was probably the case but wanted to confirm

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also, the bossBoarSniper, I get that those are Kabans sniper guys, but if I put them on say customs, do they slotin as marksmen, or just wander about?

primal thicket
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No idea! Likely wander about..

paper grove
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lol ok cool, I shall find out. more long range idiots is always fun. 😄

primal thicket
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Not a bad idea to replace regular marksman with bossboarssniper

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Hmmm

paper grove
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I know Zrirachy is really only made to be on Lighthouse, in his spot but... if you could make his spawn on other maps take over a marksman slot, that could be pretty slick too.

primal thicket
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He would end you

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Not a good idea

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Lol

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Maybe his guards

paper grove
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dodge, duck , dip dive and dodge. If you can dodge a wrench, you can dodge a bullet!!! or.. something.

balmy wasp
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You just gotta make sure they count for the tarkov shooter 4 quest if you wanna do that (or 5 i forget) cause one requires you to specifically murk sniper scavs :)

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Idk if they count as snipers, I remember seeing Assault back when i did bot debugging

paper grove
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also, do zombies also disrespect the max bot cap like bosses?

paper grove
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min spawn distance seems to still not be working. I have it set to 125 on shoreline and I was at the boat area and guys were spawning on top of me on raid start. My spawn there is on the dock by the boat and on raid load there were scavs all over the office area there.

primal thicket
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Unsure

primal thicket
paper grove
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RC4 the one you posted yesterday afternoon

primal thicket
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Hmm.. are you using starting pmcs?

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Or just default settings?

paper grove
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I think so, let me double check I messed with some stuff based on our convo yesterday

primal thicket
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If you set the spawn distance to high it will be ignored

paper grove
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whats "too high" ?

primal thicket
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Let's say 2x plus higher than default

paper grove
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hmm

primal thicket
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Bots need to spawn somewhere. If the current subset of spawns don't allow them to spawn normally they'll skip to one ebentually

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Like I have said though with rc4, don't turn on starting pmcs, and if you do. Don't complain here about them surrounding you at the beginning lol.

paper grove
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it wasnt pmcs, it was 5 scavs

primal thicket
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Oh, scavs not smugglers?

paper grove
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yep

primal thicket
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Or bloodhounds.

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Hmm

paper grove
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scavs per kill screen

primal thicket
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K

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How soon did you see them after spawns

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Spawn*

paper grove
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I spawned in and I could see one walking across the area by the food shack on the pier

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I was out on the dock cause thats where my spawn is

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so, basically instantly he was there

primal thicket
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Ha!

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K yeah

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Distance was beyond 40 or so meters?

paper grove
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I killed him and his buddies were just holding angles on me, I was like wait what, no go away no fair. Scared the shit out of me lol

primal thicket
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Likely a timing issue

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Haha, this is the new spawn cascade working correctly.

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I'll setup timings a bit later

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I think scavs can spawn within 3 seconds of player start currently

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The idea of the new system is fewer initial spawns but place them in front of the players path

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And trickle them out like a wave resonating from he player

paper grove
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hmm, ok, I guess Im just thinking of the spawns differently

primal thicket
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The timing is a bug

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But yeah the idea is to spawn into a living world

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That sounds like bad luck to be fair

paper grove
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Yeah, it may be compounded with the PTT spawns, being deeper in the map, we definitely need to be able to push the min spawn distances out more

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like customs for example, my warehouse 17 spawn is at the blue dumpsters right there near crackhouse. Crachouse is like 55m, Fortress is just over 100m from there.

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So there are guys right on top of you unless I have a 125-150m min distance set there. Took me forever to find the sweet spot in swagnuts too.

primal thicket
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I would absolutely not put the min distance to that

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In general bots cant spawn in LOS

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But yeah I'll play a bit with timing to help with this

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If you set Scav/PMC spawns to distribution of 1.1 that may do the trick

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For now

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Maybe even 1.05

fleet kraken
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Sorry if this has already been answered but does MOAR need to be on dedicated?

balmy wasp
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AFAIK, MOAR does not require the Client component to be installed, just the server one

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I do not know whether the latest builds have changed that.

fleet kraken
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oh so like the opposite of any other dedi mod

balmy wasp
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Well it's a server mod, the Client component is only for on-the-fly configuration

primal thicket
primal thicket
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The client is a remote control

alpine swift
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(Which doesnt do much with Fika I think)

fleet kraken
fleet kraken
balmy wasp
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yeah server goes on server

fleet kraken
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nice, good to know

glad field
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is there a way to make goons spawn on every map using moar

primal thicket
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yup

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bossKnight

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bossConfig

glad field
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spicing up labs a bit

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paper grove
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that looks like my Customs config... 😄

primal thicket
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You folks must have softcore on. I like surviving sometimes

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For those using MOAR rc4 please let me know if you see any issues extracting, particularly with a dedicated installed

paper grove
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looks at murderous SAIN settings I just avoid firefights tbh unless I have to take them, but Im playing a VASTLY different setup than most folks and I recognize that.

alpine swift
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So... you set your AI to 'Deathbot Terminator' and ... then avoid them?

paper grove
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not exactly, Im using Shibdibs live like presets with a few tweaks. If I get into fights, I have to actually treat it more like a real gunfight. Theres not a lot of standing in the street, plinking at bots that are complete potatos.

tawny wind
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@primal thicket Is there a consequence of the latest release with the cascade implementation lead to a lower overall not spawning. I.e. my raids dont push up any highier than 12 bots

primal thicket
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What is your maxbots set to?

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On default you should definitely see more than that

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Unless on factory

tawny wind
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I have many other mods so could be a conflict. Just curious if you had anything on that. I'll investigate

alpine swift
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Factory is pain xD

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Even on Default

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At the start you kinda have to hide

tawny wind
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Using Trap's PTT. I have a feeling its related to their mod....

paper grove
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Im using PTT and I have the exact opposite, Im getting full bot spawn, but also none of the despawning is working from anythign so I just bleed frames as the raid goes on

tawny wind
paper grove
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I mean, it still could be, there have been weird interactions with MOAR and PTT in the past couple days.

tawny wind
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What version are you on

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I just reinstalled SPT so everything is on its lates version

paper grove
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most recent for both also

tawny wind
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Ill share my modlist here later today. Are you on a dedicated? I am, a windows VM.

heavy raft
primal thicket
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I may have a fix for this

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Trying to understand tarkovs spawn system is a headache

north breach
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Is it possible to make a config that only effects pmc and scav so people can use svm for boss settings?

cosmic palm
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@primal thicket For MOAR, I am still having issues if extremely frequent scavs respawns. Instead of every 5 minutes or so, scavs are respawning ever minute or two. Can I tun that down?

earnest lodge
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turn down your scav spawn amount

cosmic palm
earnest lodge
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Yes, correct

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less waves over full duration of raid

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= less frequent waves

cosmic palm
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Okay.

earnest lodge
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(if I'm understanding how it works correctly, which I think I do)

cosmic palm
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Got it.

earnest lodge
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which is why it gets really screwy with long raid timers

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and why the distribution is a setting that exists

cosmic palm
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Been having a HUGE issue with PMCs and PMC groups spawning right next to me, like within 20m. Do you knwo what I could do to fix that?

earnest lodge
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Not sure on that one. Not played in a bit and didn't have that issue when I was using it

wind umbra
wind umbra
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I also had no extracts? Not sure what’s going on.

primal thicket
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Or the one on the hub

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As RC4 still has a few bugs to be chased down

primal thicket
wind umbra
wind umbra
primal thicket
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Okay yeah. I have rc5 that is attempting to fix that out soon.

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I haven't had the issue yet confirmed without the dedicated client..

wind umbra
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Oh - so if I understand correctly it happens with the dedi on rc4?

primal thicket
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Haven't confirmed seeing it without the dedi yet

wind umbra
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Oh well that explains that then - thank you for letting me know!

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Looking forward to rc5 in that case!

wind umbra
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Also, I removed MOAR and then QB gave me a server error preventing me from starting a raid. After adding MOAR back, no more QB error.

primal thicket
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Hmmm interesting

wind umbra
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To avoid the issue I'm having with rc4, should I try to use rc3 in the meantime since removing MOAR causes that conflict with QB?

wind umbra
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Dang - rc3 isn't available on github, is it?

primal thicket
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Latest on GitHub is rc4

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RC3 has the issue to

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Use the version on the hub

glad field
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how do i fix the issue of enemies spawning outside the map on labs with MOAR

ornate fiber
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Disable pmc openzones

severe meadow
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huh, did i miss it or is a QB RC version available?

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oh nvm 0.9.0 is available, time to get my hands on pepeWave peepo_love

paper grove
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@primal thicket are the PMC and Scav group chance values exposed anywhere in the config, or are they only in the F12 menu?

primal thicket
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only on experiemntal

paper grove
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Im on RC4

primal thicket
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There is literally a variable called PMC/Scav group chance bruv

paper grove
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It doesnt generate in the config until after you save in the f12 menu. Thats why I was asking. I was looking at the bepinex config and going… why isnt this in the other config.

primal thicket
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Changing the bepinex, does not change the json file. If that is what you are alluding to.

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the json config is a "default" config.

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And the bepinex changes are stored in a bepinex config.

primal thicket
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Alright, RC6 should solve integration issues with Questing bots, hopefully it will also completely solve the missing extracts for dedicated client users

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Also pushed scav initial spawns out a tiny bit

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2.7.0 implements the new cascading waves feature (waves flow out and away from the player, less bots, but more action).
Latest fixes a number of timing issues for spawns (action happening too early), as well as should solve for the rare missing extracts bug. 🤞

primal thicket
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I'm looking at adding custom spawnpoints again.. I have little hope it will work from a server-side mod like MOAR, but who knows.

primal thicket
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Just added all of the extra spawn points from Donuts to moar
And they are working thus far

unborn niche
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moar+bagels mod

primal thicket
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😄

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I should literally call the next update that

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going to check d2 spawns 😈

north breach
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ping me if they working I will switch instantly

primal thicket
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currently, these are the total amount of custom spawns:
bigmap 97
factory4_day 0
factory4_night 0
interchange 86
laboratory 35
lighthouse 37
rezervbase 72
shoreline 82
tarkovstreets 128
woods 77
sandbox 43
sandbox_high 44

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I'm not even going to try with factories rework

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HIGHLY EXPERIMENTAL, EXPECT IT TO BREAK ALL OVER THE PLACE!!!!!

primal thicket
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shoreline is broken
or some of the spawns anyway
Going to turn shoreline off for now.
alright, above download is updated to remove shoreline
redownload if you did download before

severe meadow
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great, thank you workaholic

alpine swift
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More Bagels

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😋

haughty matrix
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do clients need to disable MOAR like they did with DONUTS?

alpine swift
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No

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Moar (with Fika) is basically server only

primal thicket
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working on moar + bagels today

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Sounds like I'll need my own spawnpoint adding system

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what I'm currently working on

heavy raft
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I know oyu working on 3.0.0 now, but FYI Running the latest RC6, just had a PMC spawn up with a Sniper Scav on Streeets kekw Pretty entertaining to watch them blast it out

fringe valley
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On RC6 is it possible that playerspawns are always the same and not randomized? We did several GZ runs and spawned everytime in the garage 🙂

primal thicket
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That's bizarre.

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Hmm

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Unlikely.

primal thicket
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RC6 has swags spawnpoints

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Actually let me check

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...

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maybe not

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Could be a bug to fix

fringe valley
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Is RC6 and 3.00 based on the same? Upgraded to the experimental, spawning on same spot each raid 😛

primal thicket
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Which map specifically? GZ?

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Also what are your settings? Starting pmcs or anything?

primal thicket
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AH!

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I found it

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Killing with fire

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@fringe valley that was actually causing a bunch of issues, thanks for identifying!

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🍻

primal thicket
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3.0.0 has a few fixes and allows the user to place playerSpawns

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The botSpawns storing is also working via keybind

primal thicket
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but non Player bot spawning isn't working in all locations so it's off for now.

primal thicket
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Fixed

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MOAR now supports customs Player and bot spawnpoints

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And its just a keypress to add either one.

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😄

primal thicket
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Just missing extra spawns for lighthouse, streets, and labs

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Will continue testing.

primal thicket
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If not dockerized and playing fika, this version fully supports spawn-point creation

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For all clients

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Takes a server restart to use the new points though

unborn niche
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can't wait to read up more on how the extra spawns work
now that QB is out, custom pmc spawn zones seems less necessary

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then again, avoiding pmcs fighting at spawn is still nice to be avoided
im still on 2.6 and pmcs spawning so far forward leads to way too many dead ones before i get there and pmc kill quests are a chore

primal thicket
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Try 3.0.0

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It has a number of major fixes
Along with the spawn rework

distant portal
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love your work

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using the current one on spt mods, not the RC

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can i request that "live like" is renamed to custom or "default"?

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i was trying to get it so that it would never load of the modifiers, and assumed putting 0 on all weights would kill any randomization. turns out that doing that breaks fika completely

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didn't realize that "livelike" was just the "use the config" settings until i read deeper

primal thicket
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Just set your preset to live like

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Yup

distant portal
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for what it's worth, setting 0 on all weights actually breaks fika to the point that the plugin stops loading in bepinex lmao

primal thicket
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Default is a better name indeed

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Lol

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That makes sense

distant portal
primal thicket
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You should try 3.0.0

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Everyone should

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It requires waypoints

distant portal
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server only?

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in the process of moving to a dedicated lmao

primal thicket
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It can be server only. Yup

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But I'd recommend someone has the bepi if you want to change settings

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With 3.0 you can likely reduce spawns a bit

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I'll do a right up on release but cascading spawn system means more action.

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With less spawns

distant portal
primal thicket
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Nope

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It's a pre-release

distant portal
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installing

primal thicket
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Hi there!

I've been busy these last few weeks and I'm finally to the point where I need some feedback from the community.

(Preferably in the SPT discord)

https://github.com/Andrewgdewar/MOAR/releases/download/3.0.0/DewardianDev-MOAR-3.0.0.zip

Requires: Waypoints

Do not download if you do not want to help me find bugs!

What does this version of moar bring?

Cascading spawn system: Spawns now radiate out and away from the player like a drop in a pond
Spawn-point culling: this reduces the number of eft spawnpoints that are on top of eachother or similar to help space out bots a lot more uniformly.
Custom Spawn points!!!! The above version ships with over 300 custom spawn points. D2, Southside customs, and the empty areas south of sunken on woods are now dangerous again!
Easily add your own spawnpoints! There are now two key binds to add both player spawnpoints (where you start) and bot spawn points (PMC/Scav spawns) in the advanced section of the bepinex for Moar. Now one can simply tap the keybind in raid to have that point permanently stored for your enjoyment. (Server restart required to use added points).
Many many bugs have been fixed.
Spawning was largely rewritten.

This will stay in Pre-Release until I am confident nothing is horribly broken.

That's all for now!

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From the hub^^ pasting here for reference

unborn niche
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thank you for your hard work, king. will test it later with QB, unless you want some testing done without

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i also gotta make sure the difficulty sliders work properly now too kekleo kekw

sour karma
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Unrelated

distant portal
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oh it is, was in the wrong thread lmao

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IGNORE

brisk breach
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love the idea of new custom spawn points

always wanted cultists to spawn in new places, like dorms on customs lol

median lake
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it's nice so far! constant action, especially on the "More X" presets

balmy wasp
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Welcome back SWAGNUTS, we have missed you /s

primal thicket
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Hey hey hey.. it's Moar + Bagels! No connection to swagnuts

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Lol

alpine swift
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What would your abreviations be now then?

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Mogels?

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Moargels

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Mögels

uneven wind
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Bagor

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Bagar that is

alpine swift
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Just call it Tasty

sour karma
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call it Dots

primal thicket
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Lol

median lake
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d'aww, just had a group of PMCs spawn directly on top of me out of nowhere

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I'm not sure if this helps, but it's happened in the bottom floor of Fortress in Customs next to the truck/ural in the building, as well as just now in the D2 bunker just outside the bathroom that's outside of the offices

alpine swift
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It happens here and there when the game thinks you cant see it

median lake
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probably obscured by all the spaghetti BSG code

fluid aurora
primal thicket
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I'd recommend adding fewer player spawns though.

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If your server is dockerized it won't store the points correctly btw.
If it's not using docker should work fine with everyone

fluid aurora
fluid aurora
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I had a group of pmcs and scavs spawn on top of eachother

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and they keep spawning there on top of others

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leading to a ton of corpses

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3.0.0RC

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Also, how does ripple spawn work with mutliple players?

unborn niche
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Tried on Customs on default settings, spawns seemed a tad too sluggish for my liking.
Dropped wave spread to 0.4 and 0.6, tried on Shoreline and it was nicer

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PMC difficulty aligns more with what the tip says. Scav difficulty im not so sure, I think it follows the as-online setting of starting off normal and later spawning hard only

fluid aurora
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yeah, apart from enemies spawning on the same point and instantly killing eachother, this is fantastic

unborn niche
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havent had that, actually

fluid aurora
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Rogues and Scavs are friendly with eachother

unborn niche
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yeah?

primal thicket
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Yeah certain maps work better than others

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I think I may need to adjust the vector checks to be vertical as well as horizontal

primal thicket
# fluid aurora

This happens when a bot can't access a local spawn and jumps to a different one instead

primal thicket
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If they get too close they'll blast them

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For player scavs at least

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Nothing I've done

fluid aurora
primal thicket
fluid aurora
brisk breach
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the origin of the ripple is the player(s) spawn point, right

primal thicket
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Correct

brisk breach
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since everyone spawns together in fika, at least by default

fluid aurora
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I see.

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Then it all makes sense

primal thicket
# fluid aurora

I think more spawn points in the area will actually fix this

fluid aurora
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More spawn points 🤤

primal thicket
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But yeah I might delete the d2 spawns as I haven't been looking at the mesh

unborn niche
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im gonna try non cascading spawns tomorrow because i dont insist on focusing all the action around me

primal thicket
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I also need to look into adding the y value into the ripple algorithm

primal thicket
unborn niche
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yeah thats fair for performance reasons

primal thicket
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Like the result will be more fights and less lag is the hope

primal thicket
unborn niche
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lol the scavs at map edges be funny

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brisk breach
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can you add spawn points for other enemy types? snipers, cultists(please), rogues, raiders etc

unborn niche
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customs i spawned on the left, shoreline on the right

primal thicket
unborn niche
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its actually quite visible on customs how near my spawn (left) had a lot of action and i only got to fortress in about 10 minutes. right side is, as intended, empty

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shoreline could honestly be mistaken for non-cascading spawns

brisk breach
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imagining a cultist behind a closed door or in the bathrooms in dorms waiting to ambush you

primal thicket
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It's such a large map that it's hard to tell

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As the wave goes forward faster than you move

primal thicket
brisk breach
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so true

primal thicket
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But yeah, boss spawns could work.

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Sniper less so

unborn niche
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bots waiting in specific spots sounds more like a QB thing than a moar thing

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you could probably make bots camp windows (for !fun!) using QB functionality

brisk breach
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well, cultists don’t roam

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they ambush when they hear you

unborn niche
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as long as its not a default thing i guess. i count them as bosses and knowing roughly where they are seems like a good way to avoid frustration

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on the other hand, meeting a cultist at random in the woods sounds like a funny as hell way to shit your pants

brisk breach
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you’d need to use fika’s freecam + teleport to properly add spawns for snipers but at least that’s worthwhile

brisk breach
unborn niche
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ah my bad

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if dewar makes a way for us to share spawnpoints we've added for other people to use (or for them to be added to base moar) we'd get some really devious spawns very quick

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most cursed sniper scav spawn speedrun any%

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taking a second look at my shoreline run, cascading runs fine on it. distances are just so large its hard to tell

heavy raft
# unborn niche im gonna try non cascading spawns tomorrow because i dont insist on focusing all...

This is on my list as well. This was why I had originally stopped using Swagnuts, I hated the constant action and never getting to breath. With startingpmcs and minimum spawn distances it got bearable.

My preference is bots spawn where they spawn, and let looting bots and QB get them moving around the map. I dont mind the occasional "quiet" raid from time to time, dont need a constant elevated heart rate kekw

unborn niche
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yeah having a mix of quiet and combat raids is good, especially if you play on very high difficulty and have limits on making cash

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i still have to deal with the odd bot sitting near map edge (scavs mostly) but thats not a moar issue so i aint talking about it here

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like these 3 idiots that spent the entire raid there

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alpine swift
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He's a construction worker, mkay?

primal thicket
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Lol

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I could also make a cascade preset that spawns from the center of the map

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So the player will walk through it so to speak.
Random can feel bad, as sometimes only half the map will get populated... True random can be a problem

unborn niche
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i think hotzones are a great idea, because they make sense

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dunno how cascading works with those

primal thicket
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It simply works

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Throws them in randomly

unborn niche
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i might have to add a lot more hotzones myself to see what happens

primal thicket
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Go for it, each one is an additional bot spawn though so keep that in mind

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Oh and the points are really easy to share

unborn niche
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my idea is to have a different hotzones be hot each raid so you dont get the same experience

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and hope QB and LB do the inbetween walks

primal thicket
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Thats effectively default behaviour. As the spawns are randomized

unborn niche
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my recent woes have been on shoreline where the resort would be a meatgrinder the first 10 minutes because of pmc open zones

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and more than half my total pmcs for the raid would be dead before i get there

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gotta see how 3.0 handles this, because otherwise ill have to start tinkering with hotzones

unborn niche
haughty matrix
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Dewar, what do you think about having the gunsmith killcount based off of weapon type instead of the # in the series? As much as I don't care to assemble a weapon for the 9999th time, I feel like killing 30 enemies or whatever with a pistol is a bit much

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I could whip up a PR for it as a proof of concept if I could find the repo for QDT pepela

alpine swift
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(Especially 30 SAIN enemies)

haughty matrix
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I'd also like to offer to write some documentation for MOAR since not all the values seem intuitive

primal thicket
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I f***ING hate documentation

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Many thanks will be given

primal thicket
haughty matrix
primal thicket
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Restarting the server seems to reset progress

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On whatever gunsmith quest you are on

queen jackal
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It's the "Tarkov difficulty" way. Didn't really bother me lmao

primal nova
# primal thicket Restarting the server seems to reset progress

this is part of why i dropped it from my quest tweaks mod. you'd need to hardcode or generate deterministic mongoids instead of just a new random one
a new random one can potentially inflate a profile's size (TaskConditionCounters), not sure if nonexistent ones are automatically cleaned or if they exist but aren't incremented

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Start Collector Early has a SeededRandom class to generate them instead of hardcoding

primal thicket
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That makes sense! I've used seeded random before never thought of using it for the counter I'd but it makes sense

brisk breach
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not sure if known, but two raiders spawned for us on Labs, underneath the basement elevator hallway and were trying to shoot up at us

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using 3.0.0, i believe the version before the version an hour ago?

alpine swift
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Dewar:
Just wanted to say thanks for your help with the dedi client priority thing
It seems to be working now
(even if I had to put it from High to Realtime priority)

north breach
fluid aurora
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This is how I do it. Its a fairly compact, and allows you to access IDs with strings instead

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the saving/loading is dependent on another library I have, but its just saving/loading a file

haughty matrix
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alternatively, go with the "It's a feature not a bug" and change the quest text to "Kill in ONE RAID"

primal thicket
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it's "in one server restart"

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so a bit breaking the third wall

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lol

primal thicket
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lol

north breach
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seen this before with moar btw

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idk if it's another mod or whatnot

primal thicket
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Weird as F.

north breach
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could also be SAIN clipping

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ifykyk

primal thicket
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Do you have waypoints?

north breach
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yeah

primal thicket
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😕

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I haven't added spawns anywhere near there

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and are those raiders/

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I don't mess with boss spawns at all... yet

north breach
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just scavs no glukhar

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I use APBS so their kits are dynamic

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I will install waypoints again and let you know if it happens again

primal thicket
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Waypoints is mandatory for Moar now . Well from 3.0

snow bough
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Oh no, more pressure anime_notlikethis

primal thicket
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Lol.

north breach
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I won't post if not needed. Just something I wanted to report incase it is needed or similar issues appear with others. "Bug Report"

snow bough
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More mods depending on waypoints = more pressure jjjkekw

unborn niche
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when making a must-have library/core mod is a suboptimal move

north breach
tribal shuttle
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How do I enable zombies? Ticking on "ZombiesEnabled" doesn't seem to do anything. Are there more steps? If I understand correctly, I don't need to enable Halloween event, right?

primal thicket
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I haven't tested that in a while but it should work

junior agate
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In configuring moar settings does it have to be using bepinex save and send to server button or could manually edit config file in bepinex dedi client prior to starting the dedi?

spiral pond
fleet kraken
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For MOAR am I right in my understanding that settings like "randomRaiderGroup" / "randomRogueGroup" / "bossInvasion" in the server config.json apply globally so whatever preset is loaded would have a chance of also having these settings implemented (if enabled)?

ornate fiber
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Its the base that presets change over

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So anything you change there, a preset can overwrite
Or it stays the same if it isnt touched by the preset

fleet kraken
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ah nice, that makes sense

cosmic palm
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Died on Lighthouse to a PMC group spawning litteraly under me. Spent ~30mins clearing out Treatment Plant. All rogues, and 2 4-man PMC groups. Every building top and bottom clear.

Finally get on top of building 1, group spawns below me without my knowledge and when I came down off the building, I got ran through by the freshly-spawned 4 man.

brisk breach
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yah that’s why i have the wave distribution to spawn mostly all in the beginning

cosmic palm
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I would like to do the same ideally.

brisk breach
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having a slider or something to cut off all spawns after a certain % of the raid would be interesting tbh

cosmic palm
primal thicket
primal thicket
brisk breach
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oh? i thought it was more of adjusting the curve, that spawns happen more in the beginning and less later on, but still possible to spawn later

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well, nvm then

paper grove
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gah bad caps

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Im having an issue where the bot cap is not being respected. I have it set to 25 and its going WAY over to that, to the point that my fps is 25.... 😦

paper grove
unborn niche
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they do stack, but once you start adding 2-3 hotzones per map it starts looking random again, even if it probably works as intended

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whether if they ignore bot caps, i doubt it but you can always ask dewar?

paper grove
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Something broke bot caps for me in general, I need to figure that out before noodling specifically with the hotspots I think. Just for process of elimination sanity sake.

unborn niche
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bosses and guards ignore bot caps

paper grove
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yeah that makes sense but... This wasnt just bosses and guards. It spawned one PMC the whole raid and then just fuckassloads of scavvy boys.

too_many.png
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So somehow I've lost caps as well as bot despawning. Probably neither of which are due to MOAR. I think...

unborn niche
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have you tried limiting via fika.core as well as moar?

paper grove
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yep

unborn niche
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only other mod that does spawns is QB, but that doesnt cause this for me

paper grove
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both limits are set to 25

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I need to look at the QB settings, I thought I turned off its spawning stuff, I feel like it started after I dropped that in.

unborn niche
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mine is still on, because the mod apparently auto-disables if it detects moar

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so maybe having it OFF is the issue?

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doubtful but i work by trying everything kekw

paper grove
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indeed, SCIENCE!!

pure bane
unborn niche
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hmm really now

paper grove
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Interesting. I 100% had it working like a week ago. Im still on RC5 I think, not the most current.

unborn niche
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still weird because mine are being followed

pure bane
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oh hmm, that is strange

unborn niche
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im on an earlier rc though

paper grove
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yeh, turning the QB flag back to true didnt fix it, hmmm

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I thought maybe it was visceral combat since it has a new fikacore.dll but I stripped that out too

tribal shuttle
paper grove
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Zombies have worked fine for me as well at least spawning. They spawn in later usually. Just spin up a raid and use dynamic maps and you should see em show up eventually.

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Behavior wise its janky as hell they are all slidey and buggy

tribal shuttle
paper grove
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You can turn on all the bots on the map and see what is spawning where. Not sure why they arent spawning at all for you though.

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Or raid review is also another option

tribal shuttle
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Ah, yeah. I usually just use questing bots or fly around the map after death for debugging. I am confident they do not spawn

paper grove
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At least… I assume raid review would show them. Havent actually tried.

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Oh! Do you have them turned on in your fika config?

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I think they are off by default

primal thicket
tribal shuttle
primal thicket
paper grove
tribal shuttle
paper grove
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I think its spt

tribal shuttle
primal thicket
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Yes EFT

tribal shuttle
primal thicket
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The zombies are half baked

paper grove
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Ill find it when I get home

primal thicket
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I'll be working on another release this weekend.