SWAG + Donuts

[cyan zenith]

Bot count limit can't though, right?

[cerulean trout]

Does Realism boss spawn tweaks overwrite Swags boss spawn chance?

[restive flame]

Between raids should be ok

[restive flame]

Read the mod compatibility tab on the mod page

[winged remnant]

When you change Via f9 menu settings like globalMinDistance, hardcap etc - where are these settings stored?

I thought donuts config in bepinex/configs but seems to be incorrect or I did something super wrong on my end

[restive flame]

Config folder in the donuts folder, DefaultPluginVars

It gets created if you’re running the mod for the first time

[winged remnant]

Thnx, then I just fcked it up xD

[cedar quartz]

Nooky are you still considering to incorporate boss spawn progression because I feel that is the only thing missing from the mod. For me it does everything I could ask for. Just a pain to have to use default spawns with realism to get progression.

[sturdy saddle]

Is swag + donuts what makes the goons run across the map

[restive flame]

Yeah it’s just not high priority atm sorry

[restive flame]

No that’s AI, this is not an AI mod, only a spawn mod

[sturdy saddle]

Thanks. I had sain before (no swag) but never encountered them far from spawn. This wipe we added swag to server and noticed we are fighting the goons in unexpected places. Maybe sain update

There was something about custom personality in tool tip of goons, thought I read it in swag menu. I Was prob mistaken then

[cedar quartz]

No worries, just wanted to know if it’s on the list. Thanks 🙏

[proven ocean]

how do i know swag + Donuts is working properly?

[idle quest]

there should be a setting in the donuts config in game that tells it to output the selected preset in the console (I think this only displays the preset if you choose a "Random" preset)

that will at least tell u its doing something

you could also enable debug logging in the bepinex config cfg file and then spin up a raid, mess around for a bit and check logs

but also as long as its being loaded it should be working. Check the SPT server output when u launch it

[proven ocean]

does it compensate spawns depending on how many actual players are in the raid? like it spawns less PMCs/Scavs when thers like 4 actual players in the raid does it spawn less bots?

[cedar quartz]

No, you would need to increase or decrease the counts dependent upon the amount of people connected. Players are not accounted for in the limits.

[idle quest]

ditto what KillaCam said

[proven ocean]

idk if I'm doing something wrong. cuz the raid still feels very quiet. does it increase spawns in general with just installing it?

[cedar quartz]

Think of the mod as a raid config for your hardware and not just a config for a raid.

[idle quest]

not necessarily

[cedar quartz]

No you have to go into the files and adjust the values. It’s confusing at first but the explanation on the mod page is helpful. Stress test a couple maps till you like what you get.

[idle quest]

if u dont want to mess with the SWAG config files you can likely get the experience you want by just tweaking the donuts config in game

please use BotDebug and Raid Review to get a better picture of what is going on. And also turn on free cam in the Fika-server config

if u use Questing bots you wont need Bot Debug fyi

and another good mod to help see how bots are behaving and spawning check out Dynamic Map

[cerulean trout]

Anyone here tried Unicorn mod? Might too many spawns from it cause micro stutters?

[proven ocean]

does changing things in the donuts config need a server restart?

like changing presets?

[idle quest]

no, all of the config stuff in game via the f12 menu does not require a server restart. That includes the custom SAIN config menu and Donuts config menu

(to my knowledge)

[idle quest]

im probably gonna test it out here soonish but I was gonna sanity check that uninstalling it wont cause issues

i believe it overwrites files and im unsure if those files are from swag or not

okay uninstalling it seems trivial so im gonna test it >:)))

[topaz shore]

pretty sure just overwrite it again with original Swagnut config

but yeah, looking for ur result

👀

[idle quest]

yeah pretty much

[restive flame]

no

[restive flame]

accurate, thanks. its intended to provide the tools for you to customize spawns how you want them, the defaults are pretty basic in the context of the amount of different things you can do

[cedar quartz]

I have it and tested it out and it’s great. Didn’t really see a performance hit or difference. I don’t use the recommended despawn PMCs and the player distance and bot distance limits are a must.

[sage venture]

Same here.

[little storm]

does anyone else have the problem that when you install donuts it overwrites the SAIN difficulties? After I installed it I can't survive the raid anymore, the bots are very difficult, even in the baby bots setting and even putting them on easy... they have instant reflexes and always shoot without missing.

[idle quest]

donuts should not be affecting SAIN in any way. Bots can spawn at different "difficulties". All SAIN does is modify their behavior.

[little storm]

it's funny that i can't even play babybot mode, they're different, the pmc is practically insta kill.

and it wasn't like this before.

factory it's almost impossible to get out alive, when you get close they have a very fast reflex (I've already turned off fast cqb) but it still seems to be on all the time.

[cedar quartz]

Donuts sets the difficulties Sain just configures the specifics for each difficulty.

[cedar quartz]

Just change the bot difficulty in donuts to easy for the different types of bots. Easy fix.

[little storm]

i will try

thx

in sain? i need specify for each type? and in donutz in easy

[cedar quartz]

No Sain allows you to adjust specific behaviors for all bots or specific bot types. Just leave it normal I would expect that the difficulty is overridden by donuts.

[little storm]

or it could be the realism mod that I'm dying from, because it's usually in close combat, that just one shot kills. I just died from one shot to the thorax and I was wearing heavy armor, so just because it was close, it was an insta-kill.

the big problem always in factory or cqbs

from a distance it's more balanced, but from close range 1 shot kills straight away.

the problem must be me, noob enough.... i'll try removing the ballistics mode from the mod to see if it improves.

[cedar quartz]

Well in some of the most recent 3.9 builds of Realism he said he made the armor hitboxes smaller which will contribute to more deaths.

[little storm]

this may have been it, i just tested it without ballistic changes and it got better, because with the changes for my level it's not possible. the armor barely has an effect, it's nice and real, but the bots don't usually miss and they're very fast, I usually die in close encounters where the bullet ignores everything and kills directly and as they barely miss, it's difficult to play in closed spaces, in open spaces it works better (in my case for me) I really liked the realism in the previous ones but in this one I'm feeling an imbalance because I'm fighting against extremely fast bots and they hit pin points very easily (it only takes one bullet to kill you at close range).

thx for you time and your help.

it's a bit more playable for me combined with the realism mode ballistics feature turned off, I feel like I'm back to normal... I was already hero to zero! lol

[severe niche]

[cedar quartz]

No problem, you can also tune the reaction time for bots in Sain as well. You may need to enable the advanced bot settings to do so.

[late dagger]

does anyone know if there is a "Skier/Peacekeeper Squads" config file?

[earnest lion]

Hello! Loving how Donuts gives much more activity around the maps, and raids don't feel quite as dead anymore. Also it's great to see bots in areas I never usually see them in! Question: How does one properly configure custom spawn locations? I'm trying to have the ability to spawn scavs in the Reserve barracks area. I run to that area and press my key to create a spawn point (minus, or "-") and it says it creates a spawn for scavs and shows up when turning the debug options on. You can see the area it creates as a big red box.

[earnest lion]

However, when I leave and start a new Reserve raid, those spawn markers are gone (yes, debug viewing is still on). It's like it didn't save that spot for subsequent raids. Is there a way to have these persist? Where do I need to write this specific JSON to?

When I hit the hotkey to write to JSON, I'm seeing the debug data located at dvize.Donuts\patterns\reservbase_***_All.json but I'm not sure they're actually being read or used. I never see any scavs in that area.

[idle quest]

Been running a few raids. Not a lot of map variety, mainly customs so far. I have noticed some overall behavioral changes to spawning durring the course of a raid (tldr: less bots early on, more bots as the raid progresses) but it otherwise seems to work well. No crashes or major issues so far

[earnest lion]

NEVERMIND I'm silly, I didn't realize I was trying to spawn them in the wrong location. Deleted this message ~

Also, let me know if this isn't the right place to ask questions, if it's supposed to be in #mod-questions instead. I can move the questions there

[topaz shore]

i see, I also noticed that the guns sound and the bot spawning thinner than normal when looking at raid review. And got more as the raid going

[idle quest]

this could be default donuts behavior. I honestly havent really looked too deeply at the donuts changes in the newest version. They are appearently quite significant compared to versions from SPT 3.8.X

[topaz shore]

NODDERS~1

[severe niche]

RIP

[limpid verge]

https://tenor.com/view/rip-bozo-gif-7748132868985182125

[swift crown]

Anyone have a good configuration? There are certain places where bots just spawn in hordes. For example, Dorms on Customs

[hybrid shell]

i'd assume that's a hotspot, do you have boost enabled?

[swift crown]

I have no idea, where is that at in the donuts folder? Looking through it now

Nope, found it. None are enabled

[cedar quartz]

Turn on the spawn distance limits and that will prevent the hoarding. Then I’d suggest despawns for scavs or both PMCs with hot spawn boost so the map doesn’t feel dead.

[swift crown]

I got despawn on but you're recommending turning on hotspot boosts?

[cedar quartz]

Yeah because if you use the spawn limits so they can’t spawn near you then donuts will randomly pick an available spawn that could be at a dead part of the map. Hot spawn boost helps keep the bots closer to you or the other PMCs making the map feel more lively

[hybrid shell]

is the hot spot boost for popular locations like dorms, stronghold, and lumber or is the "hot spot" centered on the player(s)?

[swift crown]

Its for location as I only see masses of PMCs and SCAVs centered around "hot" areas.

[severe osprey]

the first one

[restive flame]

More specifically it applies to any zones labeled with “hotspot”. So you can define your own if you want for example

[gloomy meteor]

is there a config file to label locations with "hotspot"?

[restive flame]

look at the zoneSpawnPoints folder in the donuts folder

unicorn mod is a good example, adds a ton of new points

[gloomy meteor]

thank you 🙂

[vital quail]

still playing on 3.8.3 so I updated Swag + donuts to 3.4 yesterday, tweaked the settings a bit to get more PMC per map, no PMC at all, did a raid with a friend, we killed a total of +50 scavs, ONLY in dorms. What can we do to fix this ?

[cedar quartz]

The last swag + donuts on 3.8 was bugged for me but once I updated to 3.9 everything started working.

Assuming you have everything configured correctly… I was not seeing no PMCs I was just seeing low amounts of PMCs and scavs without any respawns.

[plucky bough]

Just a quick question. Fika and donuts both have a despawn feature should I use one over the other or both at the same time?

[winged remnant]

Both are doing it differently

Fika despawn furthest bots, iirc whenever any spawn should happen or just when reaching a certain amount of distance

Donuts despawn when a triggered spawn happens and your bot limit is reached (i.e. Reserve raider spawns)

[vital quail]

me and some of my friends prefer to stay on 3.8.3 until we reached Kappa so updating it is not really an option :/

[cedar quartz]

then I would roll it back and use the last version that worked without issue.

[winged remnant]

Or you try something without any support on 394

Don't know currently whether the spt profile editor is able to do an proper export (383) and import (394)

[vital quail]

just to know, how does one debug the number of AI on the map ? Like seeing the number of active scavs/pmc

[winged remnant]

There is a tool called cwx debugging tool which adds a command "botmonitor"

https://github.com/p-kossa/SPT-CWX_DebuggingTool/releases

[vital quail]

thank you kindly

[winged remnant]

In f12 menu (bepinex config manager) you can set the default monitoring level (0-3)
It works only if you play solo (clientNumber=1)

I use it to check whether spawns are reliable

[vital quail]

I will do some solo debugging to check that aswell. Do I need to deactivate it before playing with friends or I can leave it ?

[winged remnant]

U can leave it, it's simply not working when playing with more than one person

[vital quail]

hey , seems like it's working on factory

[winged remnant]

It's working everywhere

[vital quail]

[Savage] ?

[vital quail]

nah I meant the spawn

[winged remnant]

But 9pmc in factory 😂

[vital quail]

aight aight, ty

[vital quail]

I'm playing with a new player that gets mad because I take every kill and he's scared shitless so I've decided to up the number so he gets his share lmao

[idle quest]

If you're like me, and just want the number of bots active, Fika has a built in debug overlay. Open up the console ~ and type: debug 1 and to turn it off debug 0

[vital quail]

nah I want to see which type of bot is active, the problem I had yesterday was having to fight 50 scavs and 0 pmc. But thanks for the tips ! appreciate it

[winged remnant]

A friend once said to me "it's not stupid if it's doing it's job"
What he meant: "he doesn't like it, but when it's working he accepts the solution"

If it's working for you both: perfect

I have the same issue with a friend who is new to Tarkov

I change my play style 🤣

[vital quail]

and now there's no pmc on Customs .. ?

[winged remnant]

Wait a bit for spawns

Do you have a spawn mod?

[vital quail]

there's new scavs, but no pmc

[idle quest]

Ive had it take upwards of 5min sometimes for pmcs to spawn on customs. Its not every raid though

[vital quail]

yeah Swag + donuts, starting pmc only live like (3.4.0 for spt 3.8.3) tweaked max number of PMC and that's all

[vital quail]

the way I understand it, Starting PMC's only directly spawn the pmc, I shouldn't have to wait, should I ?

[idle quest]

Ah, yeah with starting pmcs I'd expect them to spawn right away

that does seem weird, my b

[vital quail]

scavs are spawning without issues but no pmc :/ maybe I fucked something up ? Since they do spawn on factory

[winged remnant]

Maybe

Best would be reset your changes (backup them first) and cleaninstall donuts

In general the advice would be create your own presets, don't modify the standard ones

Makes it easier to debug all in all

[vital quail]

yeah that make sense

[sage venture]

Hi, on streets i sometimes don't get the required ammount of pmc i have on the settings. I'm using starting-pmc-only-live-like, i modified the limit on both swag and donuts file and also on the start file of streets

i'm assuming it's because of the longer loading time

[cedar quartz]

assuming you reconfigured the start files then thats what I was seeing as well.

[vital quail]

I did reconfigure the start files yeah

but why is it working on factory but not customs ?

[cedar quartz]

I guarantee it isnt, did you see any respawns on factory?

[cedar quartz]

3.9?

[sage venture]

yeap

3.9.3 and latest swag and donuts

[vital quail]

I didn't (checked the spawned bot then left after 1 min) , but PMC and scavs did spawn on start. Also on customs scavs were indeed spawning after some times, just no PMC

[cedar quartz]

are you getting too many or too little, you didnt provide any details

[cedar quartz]

I was seeing the same thing on facory but no respwans, which is why I say its the port he did for 3.8 that is buggy

[restive flame]

3.8 has some bugs yea

[vital quail]

damn that's weird. But how can I change the maximum number of PMC with the previous version ? I modified the files but to no success . I was running Starting pmcs only quiet raid, just wanted to have more pmc spawning

[restive flame]

more starting pmcs? you can try adding more zones/spawn points, increase raid delay, decrease or disable global minimum distance options

[vital quail]

This is for 3.3.5, right ?

[sage venture]

less

sometimes

some other times no

i have unicorn added as well

[cedar quartz]

review your max bot caps in swag, then review your start files. If you installed unicorn without readjusting the donuts files that is most likely why.

[cedar quartz]

I recommended to the author to not include the start files because people would encounter the same issue without being aware that everything was rewritten

[sage venture]

i know it was rewritten

and i changed it

and you are right

it does modify them

they are reviewed and like i mentioned, they sometimes work correctly

[cedar quartz]

without looking at your files the only other thing I would check is to make sure you are not using default spawns and that you don't have any other mod installed or a feature on that will modify spawns.

[sage venture]

i have not other mods installed and happy to share the screenshot of the files

[vital quail]

okay I rollbacked to 3.3.5 , changed max PMC cap per map, got 14 on customs. How do I get the max number everytime ? (got it at 18 right now for testing)

[vital quail]

but this is not in 3.3.5 I believe

[sage venture]

last stable release of donuts is 3.5.1

which is the one present

[vital quail]

I'm on 3.8.3 so last stable version of donut for this version is 3.4.0 but it's bugged so I had to go back to 3.3.5

[cedar quartz]

what file is the first image from? I am not familiar with that one. Load an image of your donuts\config\defaultpluginvars.json file

[sage venture]

I'm redoing the configs as we speak with new unicorn

be back soon with you

[cedar quartz]

assuming you dont have despawn pmc on then it should spawn the max as along as it does not exceed your swag bot caps

[vital quail]

yeah, I stayed a bit in the raid and some pmc's were spawning 1-2min later, but none were respawning. So I guess they just don't all spawn right at the start, but in the beginning depending on player position ?

[cedar quartz]

I cant speak to how starting spawn waves work on 3.3.5 with certainty but just let the raid play out and see if they all spawn or wait to ask nooky.

[vital quail]

did it once for now, no loot so I just let myself get killed by a group of USEC passing by. 1 min after I had about 16 pmcs in the map, some fighting near me, and a little group in the dorms. So I believe it's working as intended. There's way more action than before and not much scav as expected.

so yeah I believe it's working for now. Thank you for your help !

[cedar quartz]

good to hear, no problem bro

[sage venture]

Its fixed, thanks @cedar quartz

[idle quest]

Hello, does the donuts config (the one accessible in game) setting for Max number of PMC Respawns work on starting-pmc-only presets? I'm assuming it doesn't but would be neat if it did

[lucid pelican]

no, because it just gives you the first wave, like live

[idle quest]

Thanks 🫡

[lone tide]

Anyone found a fix for no bosses spawning?

on all 3 of my modpacks its not working sadly

[flat pier]

there's gotta be a mod doing it because i keep a relatively simple spt and have never had an issue with bosses spawning with 3.9.x and swag/donuts. several people have reported it but i don't think anyone's found a single cause

[cedar quartz]

@lucid pelican is right. on 3.8 I was strictly playing on starting PMC configs but on 3.9 I use live like now to get a little more action. Up to 3 more PMCs on all maps except lighthouse and streets where I have 12 respawns on those maps because my PMC limits are low due to rogues and horrible street optimization.

[idle quest]

Much appreciated 🫡

[lone tide]

If i'm running the server on my LAN address (192.168..) & want someone to join via my router public IP address (86.168..) Do i make the backend IP my LAN/192 address & then the IP my public IP/86 address?

[hybrid shell]

ip should be LAN, backendIp should be public

[lone tide]

fixed the IP loopback issue by using my LAN/ipv4 address but people joining that arent on my network gets a bit iffy

[lone tide]

U the man ty

[idle quest]

I havent tested this thoroughly just yet but I noticed that the Donuts config does not scale with screen resolution making it difficult to modify in game while in windowed mode (and the resolution is bellow 1600x900)

also unrelated question, but which preset currently results in the most bots spawning durring a raid? I currently assume that "impossibleraids" and the "morepmcs" or "morescavs" presets do the job, but im curious if there is one in particular I could use over those

[lucid pelican]

Nooky is aware.

Impossible would be the highest count overall iirc

[idle quest]

awesome, thanks again

[lone tide]

The pmc bot limit is still the same though keep in mind, if u wanna change go into scenarioconfig.json

I put mine from 9 to 16 and scavs to 18

[idle quest]

oh, so is the PMC bot limit seperate from the global bot limit? In my donuts settings (in game) i disabled the bot hard caps

[severe osprey]

been meaning to ask as well, does the botlimitpreset refer to groups or actual individual bots? would assume the former

[cedar quartz]

I’m surprised you’re asking questions, you seem to have all the answers!

It applies to all scavs and PMCs and does not apply to snipers, rogues, raiders, bosses or their followers (basically anything handled by swag)

So to go a bit further my bot limits are are a little lower than what my cpu can handle to maintain a good frame rate to allow for another 3-7 entities

Hopefully in the future we can have the bot limits all encompassing.

[daring tree]

@restive flame what does "TriggerTimer" mean in the waves config? thanks

[remote ginkgo]

Hey guys, can anyone tell me if it is possible to set all bosses on Reserve for the quest? how do I do that?

[cyan zenith]

Inside SWAG in user/mods not donuts in bepinex

[remote ginkgo]

Thanks! Should "TotalBossesPerMap" be changed if I set all the bosses 100 percent on reserve?

[cyan zenith]

Tbh I didn't know totalbossespermap was a thing

I think that if you kill one another one will spawn if you have it at 100%

[remote ginkgo]

Thanks!

[severe osprey]

it's the amount of time in seconds that needs to pass before that wave can trigger to spawn, loops throughout the raid

so if you set triggerTimer to "300", a wave can trigger to spawn every 5 minutes

(as long as you are within the triggerDistance that is)

[final turret]

Have a quick question someone can maybe answer, what is the condition for ground zero high level? Is it just like a level minimum?

[gloomy meteor]

yes, the level is 20 in the EFT game.
i think in spt it is the same 🙂

[final turret]

Tyty

[remote ginkgo]

it was 21 I think

[remote ginkgo]

Where do I set how far the bots can spawn from a player?

also is there a guide somewhere with recommended bot numbers for maps?

[winged remnant]

recommended for what?

[winged remnant]

F9 (if you didnt changed the button) --> Spawn Settings Tab, there you can define global min distances... keep in mind to turn them also "on", per default they are off

[gloomy meteor]

it depends if you wanna go for performance, or less but more intense fights or full on warfare 🙂

[winged remnant]

max bot amount is inside the presets, but I would always recommend creating new presets

additionally you could try, if you like performance, to lower the amount of bots max in raid but decrease the time between spawn-waves to a very short amount

works best when you have despawning enabled, I remember a short performance guide written by someone, as a "starting point to change it to your own preference"

https://github.com/DeadLeavez/MISC/blob/main/Performance.md

here you go

but it could be that the exact files are outdated bc SwagNuts has changed a bit, not sure

[gloomy meteor]

haha i just wanted to refer to that link aswell 🙂
i use that settings, with a little bit own settings and Path to Tarkov Reloaded and SAIN on "I like Pain" and it's great because it is not a full on warfare, but when you encounter enemys it's fucking hard and sometimes it's better to run away

[gloomy meteor]

files are outdatet, you have to do it manualy, but it only takes like 15 min

and i can recommend the "unicorn" spawn zones config aswell 🙂

[remote ginkgo]

performance and a bit less fights

[remote ginkgo]

"Global minimum distance to player is not that they have to be AT LEAST that far? THe wording is confusing for me

[winged remnant]

you are in spawn settings
for far MUST the bot spawn towards the player/any player

the 2nd option defines how far they must spawn towards the NEXT bot

[remote ginkgo]

I understand, sorry I was thinking maybe there was a way to set that they can not spawn further than for example 250m from any player

[winged remnant]

No, I think not, but not sure how the despawn of fika works at all, maybe this could be helpful

[daring tree]

how does that work with the cooldown timer? the cool down timer then only matters if the trigger was successful in spawning, thus then the cooldown timer takes over and trigger timer is irrelevant for successful spawn?

[grizzled halo]

@restive flame Getting this error while running Debug Build for tarkov to profile performance https://i.imgur.com/S1yXI5d.jpeg

(Only happens there)

No bots will spawn ( I was trying to stress test sain by using donuts to spawn lots of bots )

Also, curious about something. Is it possible to have an external function in donuts for another mod to spawn bots at a specific place on request that ignores hard caps and such? (could be a toggle in the function) I've been slowly working on a peaceful behavior module for sain, and was considering making something like "events" where bots will always spawn in a specific location to do something unique, like 3-4 scavs chilling by a campfire

[winged remnant]

Sounds like a Hotspot spawn

Not sure whether Hotspot spawns can differentiate between scav and pmc spawns

[earnest lion]

There’s a little box on the bottom right that allows you to resize the window. Run a higher res to shrink it enough to fit on my playable res, is how I fixed that

[idle quest]

ooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, thats cool i didnt realize. Much appreciated

[earnest lion]

Yeah it’s not that obvious but it works!

[restive flame]

Thanks

[restive flame]

sure I think so, I’ll see what I can cook

[humble granite]

The modfathers are cooking lately😳

[lone tide]

Going to be seeing SAIN+SWAG+Doughnuts soon

[idle quest]

🔥

[lone tide]

The all in one Spawn & AI behaviour solution where scavs camp by fires & crowed around crashed helicopter sites

[granite stone]

Like stalker, it would be fire for Path to Tarkov omg

[pulsar flint]

Hey fellow humanoids :), Im running dedicated client, how do i make sure that the dedicated server/client/headless eft has right preset that i want for swag'n'donuts ?

[lone tide]

I custom it on my main client then drag the config over

much easier

[pulsar flint]

yeah thats was my idea, but raids feel dead so i just wanted to make sure

i think its this file:
BepInEx\plugins\dvize.Donuts\Config\DefaultPluginVars.json

[lone tide]

remeber if u edit pmc + scav cap to change it in swag too

i usually just drag whole folder over lmao

[pulsar flint]

i jsut use preset live like starting PMCs

[lone tide]

Yeah i think PMC cap increases the starting PMCs if im not mistaken

[idle quest]

You can also modify the .bat file to remove -batchmode and -nographics. This will launch the client like a normal tarkov client and you can configure those config settings in game. I like to keep two .bat files for launching it with no graphics and with graphics

[sage venture]

Try corter-modsync

[timid talon]

so im trying to get every boss to spawn on customs and i set the spawn chance to 100 but i get errors and they never end up spawning

seemed to work in solo but i install fika and it messes up

[kindred dagger]

So I'm running a script to lower starting pmcs and increase starting scavs slightly.
Far less lag on game start. Also going to use the max preset count to limit spawning.

Not having 16 bots spawning immediately seems to help performance quite a bit

Haven't tested thoroughly. I may have broke total PMC counts will see..

[lone tide]

You got one to make them higher at all?

Trying to get starting pmcs in line with live by having 12-14 starting PMCs at at least 6-7 different spawn locations

[kindred dagger]

I see you enjoy stuttering and frozen screens... Jk
I specifically want swag to work better for the host on coop games. SPT is likely fine to increase them a bit. I'll tinker, if there is interest I'll release a preset or something.

[delicate plinth]

Hi, trying to crank the rates up to 100 but no luck in spawning cultists, am I doing something wrong?

[winged remnant]

check "daytime", cultists just spawn "night"

from my pov when setting it to 100 I recommend factory night

[lone tide]

Lmao with the new dedi plugin the sky is the limit for me now! 🤓

[lone tide]

Thanks a ton that would be amazing, I can get the group sizes higher but cant get start of raid pmcs to have a lot of individal spawns sadly

[prisma spindle]

This is what has fixed everything for me. I over looked this previously. Games are alive again so thank you 🙂

[left ridge]

If you get cultists to work if making custom spawns please lmk

[delicate plinth]

couldn't get it to work.. just decided to uninstall for the time being

[restive flame]

can I see your server logs? enable swag debug logs in the config.json

[finite mantle]

Hey, is there a way to disable Scav and PMC spawn entirely? I'd like to play only against bosses

[winged remnant]

you could create a preset for that with PMC and Scav maxamount 0 and just bosses 100%
should work I guess

[finite mantle]

Thanks, it worked. I created a config in ScenarioConfig.json, where every map's BotLimit is set to zero in PMCBotLimitPresets and SCAVBotLimitPresets, but didn't work when I tried, then I set "Bot Hard Cap Option" in the Donuts Configuration, inside the game, and worked

[delicate plinth]

yeah sure, i'll redownload swag real quick and dm em to u

[winged remnant]

yeah, "hard cap option" means it will also not spawn bots when you reached the limit but are in a "hotspot zone"
either you play with "hard cap" or you deactivate the "hotspot boosts", both should work

[hexed whale]

@restive flame Oddly enough, I seem to be having trouble with PMC spawns.

I know it's a tail as old as time, but I thought I had my nailed down after editing the pattern configs for each map to my preferred minimum and maximum PMCs and the SWAG config for upping the bot cap.

I even have PMC hotspot spawns ignore cap, and despite having a minimum of 10 pmcs spawn on reserve, last night, I could only ever get around an average of 5.

Where would you recommend I start to work on this? I've read through the documentation, but I feel like I'm going wrong somewhere.

[sage venture]

What preset are you playing?

[restive flame]

what are you trying to go for with your spawns

[hexed whale]

Starting PMCs Live-like with 12-16 PMCs per map except Factory/GZ/Labs.

[hexed whale]

Starting PMCs Live Like

[restive flame]

do you use the unicorn mod?

[sage venture]

Happy to share my settings if you want

[hexed whale]

I don't. Uninstalled because I was getting maybe 4 PMCs per raid?

[hexed whale]

You can, sure. I just don't know what else to change here. Did my pattern configs, and swags bot cap upped to allow for the extra PMCs.

[hexed whale]

Rather, I uninstalled it and did a fresh install of D+S with all my configs carried over.

Some raids spawns will be fine, others it is just dead as all hell.

I really miss my 3.8 install. I had it perfect on there. 😅

Same configs from 3.8 wouldn't work huh?

[sage venture]

have you changed the start defaults?

So the way i understand it. Now there's two different "waves". First one is the start wave and then is the rest of waves. If you are playing starting-pmcs-only-live-like you really need to have your maximum ammount of pmcs you want on the start files, as, if you have disabled dispawn pmcs, it will be the only time they will ever spawn in the raid

so for example, if you want 12 pmcs on customs you need to edit customs_start.json like this: "Maps": {
"bigmap": {
"PMC": {
"MinCount": 12,
"MaxCount": 12,
"MinGroupSize": 1,
"MaxGroupSize": 4,

Min and max is up to you and so is the groupsize

@restive flame correct me if im saying something dumb

I would also recommend you to add the "all" option to zones when they spawn as maybe the pmcs are not spawning due to spawn and distance restriction

and of course keeping in mind that the maxs should also be on scenarioconfig and swag config files

[hexed whale]

This is what I have done for the pattern config files for all the start waves.

[sage venture]

recheck it

if unicorn has been installed

it gets overwritten

[hexed whale]

I have. When I uninstalled Uni, I did a fresh install of D+S and redid the configs.

[sage venture]

k

[hexed whale]

This is something that for the past 3 weeks I have been dealing with almost every night, as I run a server with about 10 of us that play.

[sage venture]

I know the pain

[hexed whale]

Usually when I get home from work, I'm working on fixing errors, bugs, updating mods for the server, etc. 😂

I can keep trying to check this stuff out, but the only thing I think that you suggested that I might be able to change is the spawns to "all". That's the only thing that I do not have.

[sage venture]

We can jump into a call if you need it as well

[hexed whale]

Sure!

[hexed whale]

So opened the minimum in patterns configs to 11 for Reserve start, and only 8 spawned.

[cedar quartz]

Are you allowing the raid to play out because the initial spawns may be delayed a bit

[restive flame]

try adding more zones to the starting bot config

its possible there aren't enough and spawn checks fail, so spawns might get skipped

[hexed whale]

How can I do that?

[hexed whale]

I am, this is about 2min after raid start.

[cedar quartz]

I would wait longer than 2 mins, like nooky stated spawns may be getting skipped especially if you have min distance rules enabled. You may need to observe the first 10-15 min to see if the missing bots eventually spawn.

Also if you only want 12-16 as you stated I suggest using live like instead of starting PMCs only. Then have your amount of respawns set to 1 or some other number greater than 0.

[hexed whale]

They dont, I am sorry. The 2mins is only when I took that screenshot. But consistently whatever spawns, stays there. On maps with 11-16 min/max players I commonly only get 5-8. Sometimes I will hit my targets. Sometimes.

[hexed whale]

Would this have one respawn then?

[cedar quartz]

Yes, I used to play on the starting preset on 3.8 but wanted more PMCs to get a more live like experience so on 3.9 I have 8-9 spawn at start then another 3 spawn later.

It works really well and will take some stress off your PC so you will have better frames

[restive flame]

You have zones for every map in the zone spawn points folder. Use those and add them to the list of zones in the _start files for your presets of choice

[hexed whale]

Currently they are set to "all".

[restive flame]

but no unicorn mod right?

you might just need more points

[hexed whale]

Nope!

[hexed whale]

Sounds good, I just didn't know I could add any in supplement to "all"

[sage venture]

Also reducing the number of scavs at the beginning will defo help with spawning npcs

i have to a bare minimum

[hot ocean]

anyone had issues with min distance spawn on latest fika?

just had bots spawn right in front of us on woods

haven't touched swagnuts settings

[flint lantern]

Do I have to chance the spawn chance to false to make the adjusted spawn chances for the bosses work?

[winged remnant]

Fika isn't, afaik, doing anything with it. And default fika hasn't setted min distances to active.
Recommendation press f9 and check whether global min dist is on or not

[winged remnant]

I recommend checking the f9 tooltip, but when you want to adjust the chances I highly recommend an own preset

[hot ocean]

yeah its on and has worked for weeks

I do use path to tarkov as well but wasn't having any issues with it before

ive updated fika and path to tarkov today

ive changed the load order so path to tarkov loads after swag now, not sure if it affects anything but I didnt have close spawning bots in the last raid

[flint lantern]

Is there a guide how to do that?

[winged remnant]

Path to Tarkov is, afaik, changing spawns, therefore yes, this could be the problem root cause

[winged remnant]

Own presets?

https://hub.sp-tarkov.com/files/file/878-swag-donuts-dynamic-spawn-waves-and-custom-spawn-points/#tab_55d95e597ee82ae74a7d77c8ad5d393cf4975476

I would recommend starting there

I'm general the guides are pretty understandable once you understand how swag works and how each preset is already utilized

[remote ginkgo]

Hey guys, so is the f12 FIKA setting for AI limiting over a set distance or max bots or bot despawn supposed to work?

Because I remember that AI limiting used to work

[cedar quartz]

I’m confused by your question but yes?

[spiral edge]

Does the bot hard cap option use the values under MaxBotCap and NightMaxBotCap in user/mods/SWAG/config/config.json

[remote ginkgo]

Sorry, to rephrase, does the F12 fika setting "disable AI over set distance" should work right? So when you set it to 150m AI just turn off for bots over 150m and also the despawn function

Fika settings can overrule swagnut setting?

[cedar quartz]

Yes and yes just know that it does not discriminate so if you have limited PMC respawns it could despawn PMCs (someone correct me if I’m wrong)

[idle quest]

it does work but it could be a conflict due to load ordering, at least thats what it was in the past for me

I keep Fika at the bottom of my load order and I think it works fine for me at the moment

[severe osprey]

changing player spawns, doesn't touch bot spawns

[idle quest]

What's the best way to increase spawn frequency in general?

[severe osprey]

increase the spawnchance in waves or lower the triggertimer

[idle quest]

so for the former I would need to edit the preset config files? but the triggertimer is in the donuts config in game right?

[severe osprey]

no both are within the files

think the cooldown timer is whats in the f9 menu

[idle quest]

wait then what does cooldown timer mean? Is it saying that if a spawn point successfully spawns something that it will wait X seconds before attempting to do so again?

[severe osprey]

yup

[idle quest]

ohhhhhh

Does SWAG + Donuts have like a high level manager telling certain spawn points to do stuff? or is each spawn point kind of independent?

oh also, thank you Narcotics, I appreciate the info

[severe osprey]

not quite following, the logic is honestly pretty simple - if you are within the triggerDistance, the triggerTimer runs. Once the triggerTimer runs the distance, it will trigger a wave to spawn with whatever spawnChance is set - if it passes the spawnChance check, it will then pick a random point defined within the zones in whatever waves.json for that map and the cooldown timer starts - if it fails the check, the triggerTimer resets and loops through the same process

[idle quest]

this clears things up actually, thank you

[idle quest]

So in any X_waves.json file, im a bit confused by the value of Zones. Are these supposed to correlate to the name of specific zones? If I put "hotspot" in a new custom wave, how does it know which hotspot zones to pick from? Is it just as simple as "any zones with the keyword hotspot in them" ?

[severe osprey]

the "hotspot" stuff is coded to parse through the zone names for the string "hotspot" and if it contains it, adds it to that zone array

same with "start" zones

[idle quest]

if this is in the documentation on the mod page I defintely missed it

[idle quest]

so is it safe to assume that "all" is a special keyword that grabs all of the zones regardless of what they're called?

[severe osprey]

the name of the zones are all defined within the zoneSpawnPoints folder

[severe osprey]

yup

[idle quest]

cool thank you

once again lol

[severe osprey]

it may or may not be, i just have peaked into the code a bit (and may have asked nooky about this before myself tbh)

[idle quest]

i was too lazy to read through the code tbh

[severe osprey]

only reason i did was to try and figure out a bug that nooky ended up squashing lol

sane people don't peak into the code anyway typically lmao

[idle quest]

I was this close 🤏 , thanks for coming in clutch

maintaining my sanity etc etc

[prisma spindle]

Hey legends. I love the mod. Had issues with bot spawning in very low numbers and nearly every raid was dead. Done some digging and found that I had the Realism Mod "Spawn Wave Tweaks, Boss Spawn Tweaks, and both Looting Bots Compatibilities" TICKED. This was messing with SWAG and Donuts. These settings were fine to be ticked when using 3.8.3. Since unticking these boxes the spawns are back to how they were in SPT 3.8.3. Hope this helps xxxxx

[glacial wraith]

Where do I change donuts max ai? I changed fikas but I feel like the ai is still limited

[calm sluice]

Looting bots compatibilities only work when looting bots is installed too, and won't impact spawns as far as I know. Boss Spawn Tweaks works you have to do something in the settings of swagnuts, one of the two mods mentions it in the setup instructions. I don't run increased bot cap or spawn wave tweaks though because I control those through swagnuts

[near slate]

use SWAG+SVM with vanilla boss spawn on, there's always doubled bosses like 6 goons or 2 killas. is there something I set wrong?

[near slate]

using SVM for event boss spawn, so I turned on vanilla boss spawn in SWAG to let SVM take over boss spawn settings. then I get doubled bosses lol

chased by 6 goons was ridiculous

[prisma spindle]

Yeah I had looting bots installed also. The main ones to untick first would be the Spawn and Boss Tweaks. Raids have been great ever since 🙂

[calm sluice]

here you go 🙂

[proven ocean]

is the live-like(Random) preset that just picks from all the presets?

[cedar quartz]

Looting bot compatibility is not an issue, the others are.

[prisma spindle]

Yes I agree totally but the fix for me was the unticking of those boxes. Maps feel alive again, just like in 3.8.x which I what I was after. 🙂

[winged remnant]

No, it's just a random pick from the live-like presets which are present

[glossy kiln]

Realism detects if SWAG is present and disables PMC and Scav spawn changes, Looting Bots compatibility has nothing to do with SWAG, it just gets rid of most bot loot. Boss spawn changes are fine to be enabled with SWAG is you make the changes stated on the SWAG mod page

[sage venture]

Question: I have starting-pmc-only-like-like. After the initial spawn of pmcs and few scavs I was wondering how to reduce the time until the next "wave" happens.

I'm seeing on raid review it is usually 4-5 mins. Can I reduce it to two or three?

[restive flame]

sure, the waves each have a trigger timer you can shorten and you can also force waves to spawn first then start the timer if desired

[sage venture]

where can i change the trigger time?

[restive flame]

The waves files in each preset folder, each wave has a timer you can define

[sage venture]

gotcha

thanks my man

[restive flame]

If you’re making preset changes I recommend you copy a preset, create a new one and edit that, that way future updates don’t overwrite your changes. You don’t have to, just a suggestion

[sage venture]

it's a good idea

specially considering i'm using unicorn

and it gets overwritten with each update

[kindred notch]

Hello, I personally have had problems with the initial bot generation, it only generated 2 or 3 bots. I removed this mod and the problem was solved. I mention this in case someone is in the same situation and has it installed.

https://hub.sp-tarkov.com/files/file/1751-fps-unlocker/?highlight=FP

[fathom shell]

Ive seen people mention bot generation issues with similar changes too. I think its similar to why Reflex causes problems, but I really cant explain what causes it.

[kindred dagger]

Yeah, we were discussing this over at the SPT thread.
We were seeing some issues where ALP would cause SWAG not to spawn bots (you could basically choose between bosses or othe bots depending on the start-delay).

[kindred dagger]

The added data that ALP adds would make it so the timing was off.

[prisma spindle]

Yeah sorry man I fucked up. I have now switched back to your Realism Mod, Spawn tweaks and set the SWAG config.json to True within "Bosses and TriggerWaves". Everything is fine. Thank you

[lone tide]

Can also try upping the starting bots in the config, you have the 'customstart' forexample then 'customswaves' for each map to to the *****start then change the min & max starting PMCs

& rememeber to raise the bot caps on both swag server & doughnuts bep folder

My raids are like a constant warzone now its amazing & that on top of perfect performance by offloading the proccessing to a dedicated client. So much fun

[severe osprey]

wish i had a second pc 🥲

[severe osprey]

my bosses have been spawning in like 2-3 minutes into the raid pretty consistently lately. i know QB has a config option for delaying boss spawns (which i have as false) but QB automatically disables its spawning system anyway, so that shouldn't be the issue. Tried perusing through the swag files and couldn't find anything related - is this just vanilla behavior that i've never noticed?

[cedar quartz]

Isn’t there a setting that delays boss spawns in QB

[severe osprey]

read the message big dawg🤣

[cedar quartz]

Shit my bad I read right over that sentence lol. I thought you only said you disabled qb spawning.

I’m tired…

[severe osprey]

no worries brother, i can most definitely relate 😅 QB config was the first thing i checked once i began noticing it

think i threw the most recent Unicorn update into the mix today and that may have something to do with it as well, just wanted to see if anybody else was noticing similar behavior before going into troubleshoot mode

[cedar quartz]

Oh, the newest one modifies SWAG doesn’t it…noted, I’ll look out for that when I’m back at home.

[severe osprey]

yeah but afaik it just edits boss zones

[cedar quartz]

I’d review the files for differences though because in my opinion that mod includes more files than it should (based on the mod descrip)

[severe osprey]

yeah i've looked through the files, doesn't seem like anything that should cause my issue - guess it could be related to having more data to process with more zones so it takes longer but a few zone arrays should be trivial lol definitely not something load bearing enough to take 2-3 minutes

no point trying to theorize tho, im just gonna try with default S+D files to eliminate Unicorn as a culprit

[remote ginkgo]

What are you using for load order management?

[severe osprey]

most people use either:
https://hub.sp-tarkov.com/files/file/1082-loe-load-order-editor/

or

https://hub.sp-tarkov.com/files/file/1923-load-order-editor-drag-drop/

you could also edit the order.json manually or change folder names if u hate ur self

[remote ginkgo]

Thanks 🙂

[rancid mulch]

I know the mod author of Unicorn said "Yes. At the moment, every faction can use all zones and it does not call for hotspots. I couldn't figure out what it was and so I left it. If you have any insight, do let me know and I'll consider changing that."

So there's definitely a chance it could affect other things. As much as I like Unicorn I might drop it if it messes with hotspots until they can figure that out.

[severe osprey]

nah what he means by that is he doesn't have any of his zones configured as hotspots - he probably just doesn't know how to do it. So things like hotspot boost will have no effect with Unicorn

[rancid mulch]

Yeah what I got from that is hotspot boost doesn't work anymore, which was a feature I liked. I'm just saying there could be other things touched, including boss spawning. So you should def investigate..

[severe osprey]

@snow ravine btw all you have to do to configure hotspots is add "_hotspot" to a zone name. The code just looks for zones with that string to use with any of the hotspot settings

[rancid mulch]

Or am I wrong

[severe osprey]

i have, his changes are all fine - they do as advertised

just adds more zones

but the zones aren't configured for hotspots

[rancid mulch]

Okay, it's too early for me to think haha

[severe osprey]

so yeah it won't work with any hotspot boost

[hasty ingot]

Is it possible that Bot Hard Cap is not working properly? I just had 29 bots on Shoreline even though I set "Bot Hard Cap: On", "ScenarioConfig: ShorelineBotLimit 9 (PMC & Scav)", "Config: MaxBotCap 24".
Mods: Fika / Server Value Modifer / More Checkmarks / Backdoor Bandit / ACOG4Life / Fontaine FOV Fix / Borkel's Big Realistic Thermal Package (BBRTP) / Borkel's Realistic Night Vision / Goggles (BRNVG) / Questing Bots / Realism Mod / Swag Donuts / Looting Bots / SAIN / Amands Graphics / Boss Notifier / Dynamic Maps / Load Order Editor / Unity Toolkit / Big Brain / Waypoints / Bot Monitor / Visceral Dismemberment / Stash Search / Ram Cleaner

[rancid mulch]

Do you by chance have the aforementioned Hot Spot boost on? It ignores BOT hardcaps

[hasty ingot]

Sorry that i didn't mentioned it, no hot spot settings activated

[severe osprey]

where do you have swag in your load order?

[hasty ingot]

11th, it's rigth after realism

[severe osprey]

and also double check you have config options that effect spawning disabled in things like realism, questing bots, svm, etc

they should disable automatically but i turn them off manually just to be safe cuz fuck it why not

also try moving swag near/to the bottom

i have mine right above SAIN

[hasty ingot]

That's my actual load order, which looks fine as far as server and client messages looks:

[severe osprey]

yeah that should be fine

would investigate other mods' configs

[hasty ingot]

i've activated bot and boss changes in realism, but changed the boss spawns in Swag/Donuts. As far as i understand, no other mod should be in charge for spawning. So i've no idea what else i could check tbh

[severe osprey]

QB spawns bots but it's disabled automatically when S+D is detected so it shouldn't be the issue but again, i still turn it off manually just because

[hasty ingot]

what do you change in the QB config? Is it only "bot_spawns: enabled: false (origin=true)"?

[severe osprey]

yup

again, highly doubt this is an issue though

just a little failsafe

[hasty ingot]

will try it, but other than that, i've no ideas what else i can try :E

[snow ravine]

I just haven't grasped yet what a hotspot is for each map. A hotspot being a McDonalds for example is obvious, but I don't know what it means in terms of Donuts. Would a hotspot be regarded as Dorms, FOrtress, Gas Station, etc?

^ there are tons of spawns for each common area on all maps, I just don't have a single preset that calls for a hotspot with a majority percentage, yet.

[severe osprey]

you don't even need to configure them as far as percentages go, just add the "_hotspot" tail to the end of a zone name that is intended to be a hotspot area.

As far as what a hotspot is? Yup, you pretty much got it - areas like dorms, fortress, crack house, etc are all considered hotspots. Pretty much anywhere that is frequented heavily in live or that spawns good loot would be a good use case for a hotspot

[snow ravine]

So if a zone, for example, "UniCustomsDormsHotspot" doesn't have a bigger percentage than "UniCustomsOldAZS", there's no need for a hotspot per se. Right?

[severe osprey]

what percentages are you referring to?

[snow ravine]

Nothing really, I was just wondering if there was one for hotspots vs normal spawns. I know that vanilla Donuts configs has hotspots, but I could never figure out why.

Actually, I get it now.

Having a hotspot in the top one, would be far quicker to get a guaranteed spawn at said zone.

Smaller triggertimer and maxtriggerbeforecooldown.

[severe osprey]

you don't even need to configure anything within the waves/_start.jsons, literally just rename the zones

renaming a zone with the "_hotspot" string attached allows it to be used by the hotspot boost

actually i lied, you would have to add "hotspot" into the "Zones" in the .jsons lol

ignore me, its early

[snow ravine]

Like that?

[severe osprey]

but yes those zones with the "_hotspot" modifier in the name will have a 100% spawn chance

[snow ravine]

Hm. Interesting.

[severe osprey]

you could do that, or literally just "hotspot"

using "hotspot" will use all zones with "hotspot" in the name

[snow ravine]

I mean, with 100+ spawn points on most maps, a bot is guaranteed to spawn. But yeah, maybe doing Dorms, Fortress, etc with hotspot might be a good idea.

Additionally, I could just remove random locations from customs_start and have that file only spawn enemies at Dorms, Fortress etc. That way the waves can spawn anywhere.

[severe osprey]

thats not necessarily how it works afaik, if the spawnChance fails then a bot wouldn't spawn regardless of how many points there are

[severe osprey]

tis the beauty of this mod, you can customize the absolute shit out of it lol

[snow ravine]

Exactly. But no, yeah I've been meaning to differentiate start and waves. I just wanted to release 1.0 and have it actually work. I took too long to release it from the initial talk of it. Luckily, for me, everything works with it.

[severe osprey]

i've just been yoinking all your spawn points to use with my personal set up

[snow ravine]

That's fine. It's MIT License so.

Let me know if you want all of the 1200 screenshots I took to get the spawn points. It's about 5GB.

[severe osprey]

i use my own starting ones but replace the others with urs for more randomization

[severe osprey]

jfc lmao

[severe osprey]

oh i dont plan to release anything i just use it in my personal set up

[snow ravine]

Ah, fair.

[restive flame]

No, these need to match your zone names

The zone names would need to have “hotspot” somewhere in the name to be included with other hotspot points

that is, the zones defined in the zoneSpawnPoints folder

[snow ravine]

Oh yeah no I got that. The spawn points under the zone has to be the same as the zone being called in start and waves.

[restive flame]

yeah exactly. Sorry just didn’t want anyone to be confused

[pulsar flint]

I have question, what determines what gear PMCs spawn. Is it S&D or its vanilla SPT stuff?

[restive flame]

Vanilla, mods, depends

[leaden falcon]

Anybody know what can cause this?

There is no Ai in the raid

[split nova]

not having the dependencies

lmao

it literally tells you right there

[leaden falcon]

Never mind, didn’t know the mod having a dependency right now

Thanks

[idle quest]

Pretty much what Narcotics said. Although I usually just edit the order.json manually, and I determine the lord order myself with trial and error.

[vagrant snow]

Hi, have been using swag for a month wo issues, now bosses wont spawn

[restive flame]

can I get some details? That could be due to many things

[vagrant snow]

ill try to reinstall a fresh one

[vagrant snow]

how i can debug if its working?

and donuts can run without swag?

[vagrant snow]

disabled swag boss spawns and used svm ones, now i have bosses again

[restive flame]

yeah thats a fine workaround

[hot ocean]

did you start using ALP?

[vagrant snow]

whats alp?

im testing and disabling the boss spawn and enabling svm ones maybe are making me unable to extract

[hot ocean]

Algorithmic Level Progression

Some people having issues with it and swag recently

With boss spawns

[vagrant snow]

no

i disabled svm bosses and swag default bosses spawns and got 2 sanitars with 2 sets of guards lmao

using vanilla spawns for bosses

[restive flame]

Try clearing your temp cache maybe

[vagrant snow]

user/cache?

[swift crown]

Anyone experience the AI not shooting bug where they’ll aim at you for 10+ seconds without shooting.

[kindred dagger]

Do they have the toy gun...

[restive flame]

spt launcher > settings > clean temp files

[lone tide]

Yeah, found out mine was prob from looting or questing, can try rebuilding bundles too and see if that fixes. Not sure what causes it but always happens after a while or when i change some settings maybe

[swift crown]

I finally found the issue. It was SAIN. Unfortunately I had to remove it from my server and tell all my people to remove it for a while

I asked in SAIN and here but alas it was SAIN and not another mod. :/

[lone tide]

You sure?

[swift crown]

Positive. Removed it and my issues went away.

[lone tide]

Tried the old patch?

[swift crown]

Nah. I’ll just keep it removed for a while.

Unfortunately

[hexed whale]

@restive flame So I wanted to try out Questing Bots' spawn system for a good bit, and after a week with tinkering with that and talking with DanW, he noted to me that for some reason Reserve and Factory have odd spawning mechanics compared to the rest of the maps on EFT.

I noticed this after I was also getting little player count on reserve with QB's system too.

I am moving back to S+D, and wondering if you have noticed this and how I could look at going about stepping up player spawns in Reserve?

My goal for reserve is to get 11-14 PMCs.

"Maps": { "rezervbase": { "PMC": { "MinCount": 11, "MaxCount": 14, "MinGroupSize": 1, "MaxGroupSize": 5, "Zones": [ "start", "all"

This is my reserve_start.json

[severe osprey]

i do believe the MinCount/MaxCount refers to the groups spawned and not just individual bots so do be mindful of that

i also may be wrong

[hexed whale]

For the bot limit presets in Scenarioconfig, should my "MaxBotCap" in SWAG's config match both the PMC and SCAV numbers added up? @restive flame

[hexed whale]

For the life of me I cannot get a single scav to spawn on streets.

Ope, I got one!

[winged remnant]

let's say it like that
they are, afaik, independent, but somehow correlated

means, Interchange example:
you can have 14 PMCs and 15 Scavs
Your MaxBotLimit could be just 20
then you can have anything within it, but everytime not more than 14 PMCs and not more than 15 scavs and in sum not more than 20 bots
if your MaxBotLimit is just 10 it could be also that you have only 10 scavs or 10 PMCs, nothing else.

but keep in mind, donut has the option to bypass the "Bot cap", iirc this means it can spawn more than the preset is limiting
Currently not sure whether it can also bypass the "maxBotLimit"

[hexed whale]

So if Kolontay and Kaban are on Streers, that would make sense on why I have little to no scavs?

[winged remnant]

bosses are counted to the maxBotLimit, yes, but not to Scav or PMC

[hexed whale]

Right.

[winged remnant]

so if your total amount of MaxBots is super low: Could be

[hexed whale]

Interesting.

[winged remnant]

Bosses are mostly spawning at the beginning and together with "PMC Starting bots only" it could be that your MaxBotLimit is reached already

[hexed whale]

My streets cap is set to 35, with 14 PMCs and 15 scavs.

Upping it to 40.

[winged remnant]

then it shouldnt be an issue

where you set the 35?

[hexed whale]

user\mods\SWAG\config\config.json

[winged remnant]

how is your donuts config looks like? (Bepinex/plugings/donnuts/config/DefaultPLuginsCars.json)

[hexed whale]

Default, actually I havent touched that as per the mod page I didnt notice anything in there that needed to be changed.

[winged remnant]

I havent changed the MaxBot number but see scavs + PMCs on streets

[hexed whale]

Or wait, is thew PluginVars the F7 menu? The GUI?

[winged remnant]

can you please try another PMCScnearioSelection?

yeah, the GUI is referring to the file you sent here 🙂

[hexed whale]

I did. Just tried live-like Alt. I got a good number of PMCs and scavs, but only like.... 6 scavs?

For the whole map?

[hexed whale]

Then I have changed that.

[winged remnant]

the 6 scavs where at the beginning or overall the whole raid?

[hexed whale]

PMC + scav hotspot boost, with Scavs ignoring cap.

[hexed whale]

So with streets, NO scavs spawn at the beginning but they came in eventually.

[winged remnant]

you can think about the "cooldowntimer" and setting it down to 120 or smth

and "disable" the hardbotcap

bc the hardbotcap you see there is NOT coming from SWAG MaxBotLimit, iirc

[hexed whale]

Hardbot caps works well, but ends up making raids INSANE.

[hexed whale]

So if I disable hardcap, it would still adhere to the 15 scavs and 14 PMCs?

[winged remnant]

iirc with hardbotcap setted up the total bot amount on streets will be just 16 or 18 or smth like that

no, much lower from my experience

ah sry, missread

disable will allow the maxbots from swag, iirc

so 26 on streets

but not allowing the 29 bots mentioned in summing your both numbers

[hexed whale]

Hold on, a little confused there.

Run that by me again?

[winged remnant]

disable the HardBotCap will allow the "MaxBotsAlive" from SWAG to have as maximum bots (26)
Otherwise the "HardBotCap" will be defined by the preset you are using to spare FPS (at least this is always my understanding)
but even if you disable the HardBotCap you can'T have 15 scavs + 14PMCs at the same time within the raid, because it would exceed the maximum bot limit of 26 from Swag (which you changed to 35 already)

[hexed whale]

I have got to be honest, it has been incredibly hard to find a mod that just allows me the vanilla mount of PMCs at the start of the raid, with the vanilla amount of scavs. Thats it.

I have been tooling around with S/D for hours, often every night, to no avail trying to get it where I would like.

[hexed whale]

Understood.

[winged remnant]

ifyou have hardbotcap enabled I recommend allowing despawning of Scavs+pmcs

[hexed whale]

Yeah, I know.

I didnt want any despawning because I wanted fights to play out naturally around the map throughout the raid.

[winged remnant]

this is what dontuts will take care, it despawns from far away and spawns in your near

the donut name is not by accident

you are the hole and the bots are the donut, they should be around you, not super far away

[hexed whale]

No, I know. I am aware of it. Problem with that is, if I clear an area, why would I want new stuff just spawning there?

Not like that in the Live EFT.

[winged remnant]

well, I experienced it differently....after clearing crackhouse other PMCs coming to me haunting me on live:D

but its as always.... "live feeling" is different for everybody

[hexed whale]

I have just been looking for something like live. Questingbots was great, but came with its own issues that couldnt be remedied. Maybe BetterSpawnsPlus is my answer. Who knows.

Just frustrating.

[winged remnant]

BSP is doing a bit more than just spawns, but yeah, if you are not fine with donuts give it a try

[hexed whale]

I have messed with so many configs, for hours and hours and wish I could just nail down my issue.

I did a fresh install tonight of D/S and at first, had no PMCs. Then once I got that fixed, I had no scavs. I dont know.

I will keep playing with it I guess. More hours to put in it.

At this point I have spent more hours messing with D/S configs than actually playing. Get mind numbing after a while.

I wouldnt be so pressed about it if I didnt have 8 other people that play on the server, and look to me to get things balanced right.

[winged remnant]

well, my friends and me are accepting the fact that "live" will be never simulated goodly.

so what we did was answering the question "what are we expecting from a raid" - and acceptable answers are only something which you can easily "measure" somehow (i.e. amount of fights during a raid, amount of PMC encounters etc)
we found out several things us and our expectation- with the end:
We don'T care whether this is called "live like" or not. It's "what we want to have"
so we found also out playing with the "live like random" selection, cooldowntimer 120-180, hardbotcap enabled,spawnboost enabled and despawning scavs (not PMCs) seems to fit our wanting to have game. We have fights with Scavs, we have fights with PMCs, we have bossFights, we can "hunt PMCs" on typical hotspots. We can do quests and getting surprised by other PMCs etc.

but whether "our config" fits to others or "live like": At the end we don't care

not sure whether this message was/is helpful, but you will always have a bit RNG in all your things. And from your words it sounds like you "over-engineer" the spawns, but this is just my feeling and shouldn't be meant as offensive.

[restive flame]

how can I help?

[prisma spindle]

i got the same boss spawing 2 times on the same raid what could it be the cause? i know somewhere this problem was already mentioned but i can't find it. i'm using s+g, realism, sain, raid overaul, path to tarkov

in the swag config i set to true the boss option

[restive flame]

usually due to a mod conflict or config issue, check your realism settings, RO settings

[prisma spindle]

i'll give it a try

[winged remnant]

tbh I think you can't nooky 🙂

[hexed whale]

Nook, you have been amazing so far man. I dont want to complain your ear off. Let me see if I can get some statistics and see if I can pinpoint some questions for you.

Only question I have for now that might help me is, If I disable Bot Cap in the GUI menu, does that disregard the bot cap in SWAGS's config for the bot caps in Donuts' scenario config?

For example, if I set 15 players and 15 scavs to spawn in my pattern configs, does disabling bot cap disregard those or the amount I have set in user\mods\SWAG\config\config.json?

[restive flame]

all donuts spawns ignore swag caps

swag caps are only a stop gap for other bots

even then, if swag spawns use time -1 they ignore the cap too

[winged remnant]

would mean with donuts in place the SWAG-limits are just no used anywhere and fulltime ignored all the time?

[restive flame]

no, imagine this:

Donuts: 10 pmcs, 10 scavs
SWAG: Kaban (9 bots) + Killa + Tagilla (11 total)

Total bots: 31

Donuts caps: 10/10
SWAG cap: 30

in this case, SWAG would cap one of its bots (a boss/guard/etc) since you're hitting 30

[hexed whale]

Oh fuck, okay. So SWAG caps are just bosses, etc??

[restive flame]

its a little confusing I know, SWAG caps need to account for ALL bots, but only affect bots OTHER THAN pmcs and scavs

because swag still counts pmcs and scavs but it doesn't cap them

thats what donuts caps are for

[winged remnant]

are Rogues and Raiders considered as bosses?

[hexed whale]

Interesting.

[restive flame]

in the context of swag yes

[hexed whale]

All night I have been having an issue with scavs on Streets. For some reason, I am not getting any during the first few mins. Then they trickle in, maybe 1-3.

So @winged remnant and I were trying to figure it out.

[restive flame]

have you adjusted your starting bots file

[hexed whale]

Many, many times have I gone over it.

BepInEx\plugins\dvize.Donuts\patterns

Right?

[restive flame]

yeah, can I see it?

whichever one you're trying

I don't see these issues so I'm assuming its a config/setting problem

[hexed whale]

Whole file?

Or just streets?

[restive flame]

I want to see this file

the one you're having a problem with

[hexed whale]

Here is streets.

[restive flame]

you want to change these

        "MaxCount": 3,```

thats why you're not getting many scavs at the start

and make sure your caps are good to go

since your pmc count is high

[hexed whale]

Oh geez, those were defaults. I am sorry.

I got you. Thank you.

Caps are here, so we should be good for the extra scavs.

[winged remnant]

the MaxBotCap is from swag, right?

[hexed whale]

Yes.

Or wait, did I fuck up and confuse something here.

[restive flame]

Yeah those should be plenty

[hexed whale]

Sweet!

[winged remnant]

now you should see your FPS going down a lot in streets 😄

nooky, in the "Starting PMC" PResets you have just the PMCs at the beginning of a raid and NO respawns of them, also not with hotspot boosts?
means: WHen they are dead/leaved the raid they won't be filled up with another?

[hexed whale]

That is correct I belive.

[winged remnant]

and,but maybe wrong chat, thinking about a preset where I spawn rogues and raiders on the same map. Are they from AI perspective considered as enemies or will they be "friendly" to each other?

[restive flame]

No clue, that’s entirely AI dependent

[winged remnant]

oki, no worries, will ask the AI guru of SPT 😄

[winged remnant]

nooky, can I somewhere specify that I want to have a spawn with Rogues and/or a spawn with raiders? The StartingWaves always just have PMC/SCAV as I saw

in SWAG I find them in config.json and other configs for them like other->raiders.json, but I would like to spawn them in a preset (practically an EventPreset where Gluhar + goons are on all maps by a given chance + Raider & Rogues everywhere (which fight each other ofc) 😄

[restive flame]

You can try using donuts waves for other bots

Like boss mania

Or use swag

[winged remnant]

boss mania is a preset?

[hot ocean]

That's a shit load of scavs

[winged remnant]

swag would be general config which needs to be reverted manually instead of just choosing another config

isn't existing anymore as I see?

[restive flame]

Yeah a little buggy

It sort of works

[cedar quartz]

Damn son you got a NASA cpu if you can run 40 on streets with no issues

[hexed whale]

Oh no no no, nobody said that.

That's the max cap, were not always hitting that. But I do have a great CPU. 5800x3D does work.

[winged remnant]

I have the same CPU but will have then less than 50fos

[hot ocean]

seems kinda pointless to set the scav caps that high

asking for massive perfomance drops

[hexed whale]

@restive flame Not a single PMC on Night customs now?

Every other map has been fine.

[restive flame]

I need more info to determine is something is actually wrong. fwiw night/day doesn't matter with spawns

[hexed whale]

Sure, what can i give ya?

[restive flame]

bepinex logs, fulllogoutput. make sure you enable "All" logging levels in bepinex cfg

[hexed whale]

Ah shoot, dont think I did that.

[restive flame]

use this it will give me more logs https://github.com/p-kossa/nookys-swag-presets-spt/releases/download/v3.5.1/SWAG-Donuts-v3.5.1-SPT39x-Debug.zip

debug build

[hexed whale]

THis is the only error I get in the console.

[hexed whale]

Can I update over my currentl files or will it overwrite my configs?

[restive flame]

you can just drop the dll in

and overwrite that

[hexed whale]

I will do it and we will run another raid.

[restive flame]

this might be your issue, this is a bot gen error

has nothing to do with this mod though

[hexed whale]

Ah, damn.....

How to find that out.

Oh boy.

[restive flame]

use any bot gear mods?

loadouts?

custom equipment

things like that

[hexed whale]

Algorithmic Progression.

Here is my customs_start.json as well.

Set "All" in logging

[kindred dagger]

Donuts doesn't like ALP at the moment. Unknown as to why.
I think Props is working on getting boss spawns onto donuts, not sure if the issue will get fixed before then.

I did just push an update to ALP that may have fixed it.
But I'm pretty certain that there's little I can do from my side.

[hexed whale]

Havent had an issue with bosses.

Just updated ALP too!

[kindred dagger]

OH! actually the error you see is CAUSED by ALP, update

as of 10 mins ago?

[hexed whale]

Thanks for the input @kindred dagger

[hexed whale]

I JUST updated, after that error.

Like, right now.

Havent even booted my server up yet.

[kindred dagger]

okay. lmk here

[hexed whale]

About to test, will do, thanks!

[restive flame]

if its not too much trouble remove ALP and test again and see if you still have spawn issues, then lmk

[hexed whale]

That will be next raid!

[restive flame]

donuts does a lot of bot gen during raid load, related?

[hexed whale]

and @kindred dagger Streets is perfect, no issues.

[kindred dagger]

Likely.

I think ALP adds data to the gen

I might want to remove the loot pool for scavs that I've added. If you are genning all of the scavs, you might be parsing over that new list of 100 or so items for each scav.

[restive flame]

donuts generates as many bots as it needs depending on a users config. if a user has a preset setup to spawn 20 bots at the start of raid then Donuts needs to generate data for all 20

that's more of an edge case though, but it does apply to @hexed whale however given the number of bots they want to spawn

just in case its relevant

[kindred dagger]

I think @hexed whale 's issue was a bad ID I left in.
The issue that no bosses spawn is what I'm concerned with. I'm investigating on my end as I'm seeing a lot of "Tried to edit a non-existent item for slot", which wasn't present pre-3.9.1

hmm that may have fixed it

I think scav/nonPmcBots have an issue at the moment in ALP. I'll crank up bosses and see if it's resolved.
I simply turned off loadout additions for all non-pmc bots

[proven ocean]

has anyone gotten double boss spawns? my friends and I were wondering why ther ewere so many guards at gas station in custom. to our surprise it there were two rashalas.

[winged remnant]

iirc it was a realism thing, swagnuts is just doing ONE boss spawn per boss on a map, not two

[proven ocean]

we do have realism on. thanks! i'll ask around over there

[calm sluice]

before you do make sure you follow the realism install instructions for use with donuts they're 100% gonna make fun of you instead of help if you don't

[proven ocean]

i did.

[restive flame]

try clearing your temp files from the launcher, might help

[proven ocean]

thanks! we just did a few raids and it seems to be working fine now after i cleared temp files.

[lone tide]

My Preset for Swag & D
20-30% starting PMCs & Scavs
Higher PMC & Scav caps
Tighter spawns to players
Overall more action packed & randomness

@lost junco Let me know how you get on with it, hopefully it's a bit more fun for you

[scarlet coral]

Very cool, I'll give it a spin tonight

[prisma spindle]

try disable triggeredwaves in swag, for me doing this resolved the issue

[hot ocean]

I was under the impression that the swag max bot cap affected the bosses and scavs/pmcs, or it least it did on 3.8. So lets say you had 10 pmc and 10 scav in donuts scenario config (20 total) and 23 max cap and then reshala and the boys spawned shouldn't you have only 8 scavs spawning? (10 pmc, 8 scav and 5 boss = 23 maxcap) like it subtracts from the scav count

@restive flame Have I got that wrong? I thought that's how it functioned when using hardcap. I seem to be getting the bosses on top of the donuts caps ignoring the hardcap

[restive flame]

10 + 10 + reshala + 4 guards = 25 total
SWAG = 23, reshala/guards could get blocked here

also consider that any bosses with spawn time -1 will ignore max bot caps

[hot ocean]

oh

i thoght the cap prioritised the bosses?

[restive flame]

what do you mean prioritize?

[hot ocean]

well the cap would stop scavs and pmcs spawning rather than bosses

so you could have a consistent amount of bots in a raid

[restive flame]

donuts caps, swag caps are different

[hot ocean]

whats the point of them then if they dont affect the total amount of bots?

[restive flame]

the point of what? swag caps?

[hot ocean]

yeah

[restive flame]

to cap all bots other than pmcs and scavs

[hot ocean]

oh

[restive flame]

its not like you can use one or the other, you need both

[hot ocean]

yeah i just misunderstood a previous explanation of it I think

because the caps are so high it just seemed like they would account for all bots

like fika caps

the swag caps that is

so lets say you have reshala spawn on customs why would the default cap be like 26 or whatever the default is

[restive flame]

well they need to account for all bots, but they only affect bosses

[hot ocean]

ahh

shame it doesnt affect pmc and scav caps

[restive flame]

yeah, can't

[hot ocean]

would allow for dynamic aadjustment to keep bot levels the same

[restive flame]

client spawns ignore server caps, don't know why, bsg code

[hot ocean]

my perfomce gets nuked on reserve for example when glukhar spawning

[restive flame]

probably because they're spawned from the client and not the server

[hot ocean]

yeah damn

[restive flame]

reduce your caps then?

[hot ocean]

well thanks for taking the time to explain it for me

Im already running low caps for a cpu bottleneck

means my raids will be pretty dead when bosses dont spwan

will have to find a sweet spot i guess

[restive flame]

yea

depends on a lot of things

[hot ocean]

such a huge difference in performance when bosses on the maps with my current caps

think im on like 5 pmc and 8 scav on reserve

[restive flame]

that's a lot if you think about it, 13 bots already, boss+guards you're already close to 20, add in snipers, rogues, raiders, etc (depending on map) that's well over 20 bots max. that is a lot

that's worst case, but still

[hot ocean]

yeah true, i'll defo reduce it now I know how it works

thanks

[proven ocean]

hi! does this only touch starting-pmcs-more-scavs preset?

[proven ocean]

so far it hasnt happened again yet. just cleared temp files in spt laucher for everyone.

[lone tide]

Live like & starting pmcs like like

[proven ocean]

thanks!

[lone tide]

np!

[pastel radish]

How do i see all spawnpoints from a preset?

• I have enabled "enabled debug markers" and "enabled sphere real size".
• I can see a marker, if i manually create one with the keybinding under "spawnpoint marker"

[oak prairie]

I just thought would be nice to mention. Best tool ever to create proper presets for donuts!!!!

[granite fractal]

Any one have recent issues of guards not spawning? Been hunting Reshala's boys for a few days now and it's just been Reshala dying alone in the dorms bathroom with his boys nowhere in sight

Like they're not even loading

Same with Shturman

Glukhar has his guards for some reason

[shadow summit]

I'm surprised bosses even spawn for you at all

[granite fractal]

Okay, not sure if it's just my system or not but I had to edit the config file to set up the Reshala's guards as supports instead of their default set up as escorts.

Working now

[robust elbow]

Anyone run into the issue where you just can't load into the match? Trying to play solo after downloading SWAG + Donuts, everything works just fine, but once I see "\client\game\bot\generate" in my server, creating loot pools will hit 100% and then nothing happens. I just sit and watch the little pinwheel spin under creating loot pools. No error messages, game isn't frozen, it just isn't actually putting me in the match

Same thing happens as scav as well

[hot ocean]

So I'm tinkering with this today and with your explanation I think I understand deadleaves old swagnuts guide better. Do you know if that still applies? Can you use hotspot ignore caps in donuts f9 and use a higher Fika cap to get a more dynamic bot count? Or will fika caps only affect non pmc/scav counts like SWAG? Sorry to bombard you with questions, it's surprisingly difficult to get your head around all this stuff as a layman!

[hot ocean]

Re-reading the Deadleaves guide they do seem to suggest that the fika bot limit is for all bots apart from specials

[severe osprey]

is the fika count set within the f12 menu or the within the server mod config? if its f12, it should affect the pmc/scav spawns - otherwise it probably is similar to swags maxbotcap

[hot ocean]

f12

bepinex config

[severe osprey]

yeah it'll affect pmc/scavs

[hot ocean]

ah so thats maybe the secret

to get the most out of a CPU bound system

[severe osprey]

definitely see the vision

[hot ocean]

I'll report back if it works

thanks

anyone know the difference between "hotspot boost" and "ignore hotspot cap"?

[severe osprey]

hotspot boosts just gives all hotspots a 100% spawnchance

hotspot ignore cap will ignore the donuts cap for hotspots specifically - so if a hotspot spawn is triggered while you are at your cap, it will still spawn

[hot ocean]

ok that makes sense

thanks

thats the key then

[hot ocean]

Does anyone know if FIKA enforced limits accounts for all bots when enforcing limits on pmcs and scavs or does it only see pmcs and scavs contributing to its bot count?

[hot ocean]

from some limited testing it would seem it doesnt see special spawns at all

you can have a lower fika enforced limit than SWAG max bot

@restive flame no ground zero/ground zero high under "TotalBossesPerMap" in bossConfig.json on 3.5.1

intended?

[restive flame]

nope I’ll fix that, ty

[hot ocean]

np

would adding them in myself for now work?

[lucid pelican]

Yes

[maiden sable]

i've adjusted the bot caps, changed the configs in patterns and disabled min distance but i'm still not getting the full amount of starting PMCs i've set it to (e.g. i only got 2 PMCs on factory when my min and max starting PMCs is set to 5) - i'm not sure if there's a setting i missed or something but does any1 know how to fix? :p

[restive flame]

Do you use unicorn spawn points?

Can I see your configs please

[maiden sable]

nop, i don't use unicorn - i've also turned hard cap off so i don't think the scenarioconfig caps are doing anything, but even if they were they're not low enough to limit my spawns

i can send my spawn patterns across for all maps if yu want; i've noticed it happening on woods a few times too

[restive flame]

Try unicorn first, I highly recommend it

consider the base version of the mod as just that, a baseline. Not a ton of points

[maiden sable]

oh, so is it maybe not spawning PMCs because there's not enough points? weirdly it sometimes spawns the right amount, other times it doesn't

[lucid pelican]

I don't think there's a guarantee

[maiden sable]

there's no way to force a certain amount to spawn you mean? i thought that's what the start jsons in patterns did

[lucid pelican]

Depends on your maxes plus snipers bosses etc

[severe osprey]

he has the donut caps disabled so those shouldn't affect it

and i'd be surprised if he's surpassing the cap set in swag which includes specials/bosses

[restive flame]

RNG, some points may fail checks. Maybe there aren’t enough points for the map. Depends on a lot of things

[lucid pelican]

Jeez it's like I don't know things lmao

[severe osprey]

what checks could it fail with starting points though? if you have the min distance disabled

afaik there's no spawnchance for starting points

[lucid pelican]

Just set 0 for distances on everything and see if you can get it done

[severe osprey]

no i'm not trying to say that at all, really just trying to get information for myself lol

[severe osprey]

as like a failsafe? cuz disabling it should essentially do the same, no?

[lucid pelican]

I suppose it would yes. Have you edited the spawn locations?

And number and group number etc

[severe osprey]

in my personal set up i have, yes - everything should be set properly. i just have also noticed that sometimes the spawns do not hit the min count

i've even accomodated my set up a bit for that, increased the min count a little higher than i had it initially

now i'm curious tho so i'm gonna test it out with just SPT and a default S+D install and toy with the min counts

[restive flame]

Spawns in walls, in air, obstructing objects

In line of sight

In combat

Donuts checks a lot of stuff you’re not aware of

[severe osprey]

oh for sure, why i was asking lol

[maiden sable]

do the min values for PMCs in start patterns count the player? like if mincount is 5 would that spawn 5 AI 1 player or 4 AI 1 player

[restive flame]

No

Would be 5 bots

[maiden sable]

ty!!

[hot ocean]

If you set max bosses to 1 on a map I presume that doesn't block other specials spawning like raiders/cultists/bloodhounds? Just other bosses like goons or Reshala right?

And you mentioned earlier that -1 boss count means they get ignored for SWAG maxbotcap, does that mean a value of 1 means they do count for SWAG maxbotcap?

Sorry for the endless questions there's just a lot of variables in your mod!

[heady tartan]

Just starting today, my group encountered an issue where connecting clients get a black screen and freeze when hitting F8 to extract. LogOutput gives me

[Info :RequestHandler] [REQUEST]: /raid/profile/save [Warning:DonutComponent] Donuts Component cleaned up and disabled.

Any ideas?

[wise python]

anyone else having an issue with swag only spawning bosses and pmcs in raid? i only get about 2-3 scavs when i have the live like starting pmcs only i can post screenshots of config files as well

[hot ocean]

Are raiders on labs considered specials or scavs in the config?

[winged remnant]

specials

[hot ocean]

thanks

After a couple days of testing I believe I have figured out how to get consistent bot counts on fika and swagnuts whether you have specials spawn or not, its kinda the opposite of the DeadLeaves guide

I'm still figuring some of the quirks but I'm definitely on to something

It works by having hotspot hardcarp ignore on and using fikas enforced bot limits be lower than your swag caps

despawn off in swag

despawn on in fika

so if you have for example 17 as the bot limit in fika it will stop only pmcs and scavs spawning above that, specials will fill out as usual and fika will control the remaining spaces

[oak prairie]

Hi guys. Any advice for increasing number of raiders on the lighthouse? It's not exactly live like with only 5-6 of them being there AND not on the rooftops at all

[calm sluice]

I run realism for bot chance, swagnuts, and unicorn, I'm not sure which does it but I find more raiders than scavs and they are all over the place. Makes it a real challenge in a fun way

[hot ocean]

unicorn likely

really spices things up

been testing lighthouse for optimising bot counts and the rouges are all over the place haha

does anyone know what the numbers mean for "BossEscortAmount": "1,1,2" ?

is it like follower odds?

2/3 likely to be 1 follower? 1/3 likely to be 2 followers?

the one for raiders on labs is wild "BossEscortAmount": "1,1,1,1,2,2,2,1,1,1,1,2,2,2,3",

[glacial wraith]

it's realism that makes rogues and raiders spawn everywhere

Unicorn only adds spawnpoints

[hot ocean]

ah

yeah i didnt realise they meant across diffferent maps

[split nova]

? ive never seen any rogues on any other map besides lighthouse

[left ridge]

Try more scavs preset it gives and even amount of everything

[hot ocean]

I've heard "More PMCs" can help also

[left ridge]

Yup I like both.

[glacial wraith]

With realism:

[split nova]

yeah i have realism

ive def seen raiders spawn on other maps though

[glossy kiln]

Rogues do in fact spawn on other maps as per the tooltip

[split nova]

guess im just unlucky

[wise python]

i just dont want pmcs to respawn and is there a way to up the total amount of scav spawns?

like i dont have any of the limits on and it only spawns like 15 ai in total 😦

[lucid pelican]

There is an initial wave, which on starting PMCs only will be PMCs, then the first wave of scavs. Anything after that with be only scavs on starting only

[hexed whale]

@restive flame Aftger all the work you helped me with spawns are perfect! All except for one map.

Reserve. Reserve is like hoard mode. Scavs even spawn meters from us. Teammate and I got a combined 50 kills on Reserve, and he stayed in one place for a good 10 minutes. Scavs were constantly assaulting the building.

You can see, right by Black Bishop, where my friend was hunkering down in for most of the raid.

Other people in my server are reporting the same. An onslaught of scavs.

What can Ii do about this? I didnt change anything with Reserve I didnt change for the other maps.

[restive flame]

maybe too many hotspot points there, look at the reserve points file, zoneSpawnPoints folder

actually nah that's too much work, you can just adjust your scav wave zones

much easier

[hexed whale]

What would I be looking at adjusting?

[restive flame]

the zones, what do they look like now? any hotspot?

[spiral edge]

i could use your preset and edited files 😘

[opaque sigil]

I take it theres no TriggerDistance var for [Map]_Start stuff?

I'd like to shrink down how far things can spawn from me at the beginning of raids. I take it the only way to do that is to set eveything in start to Zero spawns, and then drop the first wave timer way down. Then first wave will be restricted to TriggerDistance

Or throw in a new Group for *_waves with a trigger timer of zero, 100 spawn chance, all zones, TriggerDistance of whatever, and mess with the group sizes and max triggers to get it feeling right?

The main thing I'd like to prevent is groups of AI spawning in places on raid start that I'll never end up going to. Maybe more aggressive despawning- though I don't know how I'd configure that.

[severe osprey]

despawning is probably the most straightforward route to keeping bots around u

maybe try turning the despawn on, cranking down the distance to something that feels comfortable for u, and possibly turn on the hotspot boost

first option you said should also work tho, just requires a little more work - and you'd probably wanna mess with the cooldown timer in game to fine tune it

[restive flame]

you have the right idea with this, this is probably how I would approach it

[restive flame]

this could also work

you don't need to change the timer, you can try using the ignore first timer boolean

[winged remnant]

Is it somehow possible to deactivate all spawns (bosses, pmc, scav, starting waves etc) so my raid is empty (want to create a trader mod with some quests, that's why)

Or is the menu option for disable ai spawns enough.

[restive flame]

disable all swag spawns (top of swag config.json)
Turn off donuts (gui)

That should be it

[opaque sigil]

Sick. I'll tinker with stuff, thanks for insight. Didn't realize there was an ignore first timer setting.

If I'm successful swagnuts will be spawning ai in a literal donut around me :^]

[winged remnant]

Thnx

[prisma spindle]

isn't unicorn making the hotspot option useless? for what i saw there are no hotspot spawn in the config

[heady tartan]

I don't believe it removes any spawns from Donuts, so the native hotspot spawns are likely still active

Just adds a shit ton more

[prisma spindle]

i tought the same but checking the spawnpoint file i see that there are no spawn marked as hotspot like in the original donuts

[heady tartan]

I would ask on the mod page. It seems I'm actually wrong and it does replace spawnpoints, so you may be correct that there are no more hotspots with Unicorn

Anyways

@restive flame Raiders spawning from the D2 switch ignore min distances (obviously). However, there is a delay that allows players to camp their hallway spawn, seeing each raider spawn in with a slight pause before activating. Is there a way to fix this?

[restive flame]

not really, its just server spawn slowness unfortunately

donuts will replace those in the near future anyway

though still not sure how to work switches into that

yet

[heady tartan]

How would I go about changing the spawn location as a temp fix? I'd rather have them spawn in the outlying areas (Metal stairs, Ramp) so players cant camp it

I'll take a look into it, I just gotta know where the D2 spawn is stored

[restive flame]

you can change their bsg zones

in the swag spawn files for raiders

[heady tartan]

I guess I mean, where the "ZoneSubCommand" spawnpoint is stored

[restive flame]

its a bsg zone, what do you mean stored?

[heady tartan]

Ahhhh, I see

I would need to create a seperate mod that modifies the coordinates of the bsg zone, right?

[restive flame]

that would be pretty complicated I imagine... what are you trying to do?

[heady tartan]

Basically, I want to remove the hallway spawn from ZoneSubCommand under the
"TriggerId": "autoId_00000_D2_LEVER",

Or change the trigger ID to use a seperate location

[restive flame]

that sounds like a lot of effort, maybe when donuts bosses are ready you can figure out how to implement switches for that for us

problem solved

[heady tartan]

Ah yes, SWAG retirement

[restive flame]

indeed

finally

[heady tartan]

I guess in the meantime I'll just disable the D2 spawns and up the general ZoneSubCommand patrol spawns

But along these lines, it would be cool if there was an option to have raiders or other bots spawn for other switches, like Interchange power or the Customs extract switch

[restive flame]

that would depend on how switches could be implemented, if at all

with donuts bosses that is

in theory if we can define a spawn with a switch from the client I assume we could do the same for any switches

donuts would need to check for those switches in some fashion

[heady tartan]

Is the goal of Donuts bosses to move away from server completely?

and just have it all be client-sided?

[restive flame]

its a goal, not sure if it can be done completely yet but we're headed in the right direction

[severe osprey]

Yeah don’t think unicorn has hotspots configured afaik

[prisma spindle]

wait what

[prisma spindle]

[Warning:DonutsBotPrep] No cached bots found for spawn type pmcBEAR, difficulty normal, and target count 2
@restive flame do you know what this mean i'm trying to tweak the timer spawn in the pattern to make them trigger more often

i have pmc waves not spawning in raid

[brittle frost]

Does despawn option work with Fika?

[livid plume]

Quick question maybe I’m out of the loops, but the spawn point editor doesn’t seem to be working for me any more. In particular the debug options or adding a spawn point using the assigned key.

[restive flame]

This means donuts needs to generate bot data for that spawn

[restive flame]

Yeah it needs some work after the overhaul

[opaque sigil]

Aight, tweaking some stuff- wanted to share my experience thus far. Setting 'IgnoreTimerFirstSpawn' to True across all waves settings definitely has resulted in more spawns closer to me at raid start. This is running "TriggerDistance": 400 across all zones as well. Doing this to the default config results in more PMC skewed counts (less scav to PMC ratio)- as expected, based on what's in there by default.

Sample size of one there, second raid I tried had a completely different result LOL:

After dropping Min & Max counts to zero in the customs_start config, only Reshala and Sniper scavs spawned. This is good!

And then initial spawns were near me;

Next test; dropping cool down timer (F8 > Spawn Frequency) to 30, and setting Raid Load Time Delay (Advanced Settings) to 45

This seems good. I'm not convinced Time Delay is helping me towards my goal at all, I feel the CD Timer is what's doing the lifting here.

Though this is definitely closer to what I want. I'm gonna try normalizing "TriggerTimer" across the customs_waves config and see what happens :]

/\ Didn't do anything useful, stuff spawned a lot more frequently, IE performance dips

[prisma spindle]

so it's ordinary stuff?

[flint lantern]

I turned down the chance for bosses on labs to 0 but they still appear

[restive flame]

what bosses on labs?

[restive flame]

yeah

[wooden vigil]

Hey guys Im back after a break - Does SAIN, looting bots & swag work well together?

[pearl narwhal]

swag is unrelated to the others entirely
but yes

[wooden vigil]

thanks

any new settings in swag i need to be aware of? or any settings that are a must? sorry this must get asked a lot but i havent played since 3.5 or something

[restive flame]

there's a GUI now, F9 default. defaults should be fine for most cases, if you don't want pmcs respawning then select starting pmcs only preset from the GUI

and make sure you have the required mods

[wooden vigil]

thanks yeah new gui looks good 🙂

not sure why i just got killed by a scav even though i was a scav 😄

[pearl narwhal]

traitor scavs are a thing

[wooden vigil]

ooohhh

[hollow marsh]

Guys, in SWAG I see that it's only the bossConfig.json used for boss spawn chances per map. However what is the point of each bosses .json in the 'bosses' folder? Am i missing something silly there? is it an old folder? (particularly asking as each bosses .json file has a BossChance value which i dont see being used)

[idle quest]

one brand new setting I love a lot is the "Max number of PMC respawns" setting. If you run the "live-like" preset for example, you will only see the PMCs that spawn at the start + the number you provide in that setting at a maximum throughout the raid. I like this better than starting-pmcs presets

probably my favorite feature of the newer updates

[idle quest]

those boss specific config files are for defining stuff like what guards spawn with the boss and some other specific spawning configuration parameters i think

I do not think its old, it should still be used

[hollow marsh]

Ok, so the rest of the values are used, but BossChance isn't?