SWAG + Donuts

[full loom]

of course i did

[flat pier]

first try

[full loom]

Send me your swag file

pls

[limpid verge]

Loading into raid as well now to check

[flat pier]

this is all i checked

is swag loading? i guess that might be worth checking? i don't think there are any other spawn mods working yet so doubt there's a conflict

[vapid plank]

might want to redact that a bit more, can see the IP in the screenshot

[full loom]

Oupsi !

not first try for me....

[flat pier]

and you restarted the server after changing

[vapid plank]

you've installed the client mods in addition to the server mods?

[vapid plank]

and the client mods?

[full loom]

I modify the patterns like-like for more Pmc

and scenarioConfig

[vapid plank]

try installing fresh versions of donuts, SWAG, and SAIN (delete & re-download) - old preset files are incompatible with newer releases

might not be relevant but everything else seems fine at a glance so far

[full loom]

ok

No reshalla ....

[limpid verge]

Yeah I'm having the same issue with the latest build, the goons spawn for me though

[flat pier]

hmm i'm not

[full loom]

i have no goons, no bos

boss

[flat pier]

goons count as a boss for swag

i'm on my 3rd in a row with reshala

[full loom]

Lucky boy haha!

Share me your swag file pelase

please

i want to test

[full loom]

thx, i try again

[limpid verge]

I think it's an issue at the moment for swagnuts, I think the bot cap stops him from spawning at times if he's unlucky to not be spawning first

[flat pier]

i guess i raised the cap in donuts so maybe that's why

didn't think of that

[full loom]

no boss

my limit is ok

[flat pier]

mine are 12 each

but i thought the raid start spawning behavior was different

[full loom]

i want FPS in my raid ^^

[flat pier]

get a better pc 🙂

do you want reshala or fps haha

[full loom]

3080, 32gb of ram and i7 11700k is not a good pc ?

lol

[flat pier]

well your'e saying you have fps problems

[full loom]

nooo

[flat pier]

i don't get fps problems until there's like 30ish bots

[full loom]

if i have 15 scav and 15 pmc in same time, my FPS drop

45 50 fps

[flat pier]

well 12 and 12 isn't that

[cyan zenith]

I have my bot limits in donuts config set to something like 99 and have the spawn limit enforced by fikacore

Works for me

Keeps the max bot count options in-game which I like

[limpid verge]

It's probably something that still needs fixing as it's either the client plugin doesn't adhere to what the server gives it at the moment in the rates of spawnchance or bosses aren't spawning early enough to avoid the cap

[full loom]

So what's your advice? In the configuration scenario, should I just put 20 everywhere, for example?

[flat pier]

is it some weird race condition taht for some reason my pc isn't hitting

[cyan zenith]

Maybe give the bosses a "permissioned" spawn tag so they bypass the regular bot limits?

[limpid verge]

Well my current advice is to wait until nooky gets to have a look at fixing it to be honest

It is pre-release at the moment so it's not like it's a big deal

[full loom]

yes its true ^^

[flat pier]

just on basic benchmarks though my cpu is 30% faster. which if there's a weird timing thing might actually make a difference

[cyan zenith]

It's 100% a cpu bottleneck with bots

[flat pier]

plus i have an x3d which works better in tarkov on top of that

[cyan zenith]

I'm envious

[full loom]

A lot of people have FPS drops with the number of scav,PMC. it's pretty well known. It's not a PC configuration problem.

[cyan zenith]

When dedicated client? Lol

[flat pier]

well it is, the number of bots is different based on the pc you have, where you hit the fps problem

[limpid verge]

The X3D is a beast in handling SPT with AI

sadly even mine on 3.8 struggles when hosting

(If I dont cap that is)

[full loom]

my friends dont hosting, is good for him ^^

[flat pier]

i struggle with fps when i turn off fika dynamic ai and uncap the spawns and turn the timers down, but the problem is just surviving at that point not fps lol

[cyan zenith]

I can get around 25-30 bots on woods and still be playable, anymore and it starts to tank exponentially

[full loom]

And your hosting the serv ?

[cyan zenith]

Yeah

I'm jealous because no matter how many bots I host my friend never goes under 80 😭

The headless client the Fika team is cooking up will be a game changer for those with a second pc

[full loom]

Yes, it's playable for me too but I hate being below 60fps

[cyan zenith]

I always had a dream of making a 30v30 faction war in tarkov and watching the chaos

[vapid plank]

QB recommends setting bot_spawns.delay_game_start_until_bot_gen_finishes=false and bot_spawns.spawn_initial_bosses_first=true btw, if you use that

note from here: https://hub.sp-tarkov.com/files/file/1534-questing-bots/

might be related

[full loom]

my setting is good here ?

[vapid plank]

try changing the values I mentioned in user\mods\DanW-SPTQuestingBots\config\config.json

oh nvm you don't use QB

might be relevant to archangel though

[full loom]

what is your recommandation for fika ?

[limpid verge]

Not running QB at the moment

[vapid plank]

yeah that makes sense actually since it's 3.8 only heh

[full loom]

where i found that ? i dont have SPTQuestingBtots

[vapid plank]

yeah sorry I realized after I sent that

[full loom]

Oh yes!

iam waiting for this mod ^^

thanks for your help guys, and iam sorry for my bad english ! 🇫🇷

[flat pier]

qb is not out for 3.9 yet

which is terrible, it's the thing that brings it all together

running huge spans of shoreline or woods without running into anything because bots are just chilling in their little spawn location

[cloud sand]

There is build on github for 3.9

[flat pier]

is it built? last i looked it was just source

https://github.com/dwesterwick/SPTQuestingBots/tree/390-DEV looks like just source

[cloud sand]

You press on the green button and download zip

in dist folder there will be QB for 3.9

[flat pier]

ahh in dist folder, ok

[cloud sand]

but it may contain bugs

Using it right now, kinda works

[flat pier]

kinda is better than not, gonna give it a shot

[cloud sand]

Was Ground Zero zero bot spawn fixed tho?

[limpid verge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1143038758309085304/1260972486908968981/image.png?ex=669143a4&is=668ff224&hm=94a13a8b9b4fbe342bfa8079366a7f3c822f4b740fa34a08a4bbf2a7d9764741&

[cyan zenith]

Just be aware that having it installed voids any support for any reason from here

Until you remove it ofc

[flat pier]

of course

just gonna backup profiles more often...

[cyan zenith]

How prevalent are profile issues? I've screwed around with my install many times but my profiles were never bricked. I even removed mods which added containers and guns while they were still in my stash and nothing happened

[flat pier]

haven't had any issues but also don't want to take the chance and the profiles take up like 2MB so not a big deal to just keep a bunch of copies

[restive flame]

SPT 3.9.0 ONLY
https://github.com/p-kossa/nookys-swag-presets-spt/releases/download/v3.5.0-SPT390-RC1/SWAG-Donuts-v3.5.0-SPT390-RC3.zip

Changes from previous build:

• fixed long hideout load times (thank you props)
• fixed offset raid load times for host/client in Fika (thank you Archangel from Fika discord)
• fixed "Random" group chance option
• fixed Ground Zero causing exceptions (for GZ High specifically)
• new waves added to all presets; all presets re-balanced

[drifting ledge]

jeez today cant do a shit, but tomorrow is Friday so i can happily test

thanks nooky

[drifting ledge]

what you mean with re-balanced 😮

[uneven prairie]

Tweaked waves in the _waves.json

So depending on the preset, more or less spawn triggers to get more/less bots spawned etc.

[snow steeple]

seems good now every bot is walking noone is standing by preset is starting pmc only more scavs i got questing bots looting bots swag and sain all the latest

just cant tell if they shot eachother gotta test in on another map

[gleaming nimbus]

can everyone download it or is it host only, i was having issues with the earlier version when my clients had it

[kindred warren]

is this map a separate mod or in some debug settings?

[snow steeple]

@kindred warren its a mod dynamic map its called

[kindred warren]

thanks, will be super useful for debugging

[limpid verge]

Clients have to redownload

[cloud sand]

I created Dev profile to test new version of SWAG, and with the new version i still get zero bots on GZ

Ok, it works with low lvl

[maiden remnant]

ive noticed bots spawning on top of each other and not moving, ex. 6 scavs in one room in crackhouse. Kinda odd and was seeing more instances on DynamicMap

[unique shore]

From my testing dynamic map might have a bug where if they despawn they dont get removed from the map

So it looks like multiple are standing on top of each other but they dont really exist

[limpid verge]

[pulsar flint]

The same behaviour i saw with dynamic maps in 3.8.3

[flat pier]

yeah same saw it as well

[restive flame]

so how are things looking

as long as there aren't any more major bugs /mod breaking bugs this will be close to the final release

I'll post a final 383 test build just before

[shrewd tusk]

Haven't tested RC3 yet, but the build prior, I felt like were a bit on the quieter side even when set to Live-Like? I'm not an expert nor am I running any debugging.
But it's very possible that could be due to the issues I'm getting with the latest SAIN build causing PMCs and Scavs to not attack each other. I'll try to run more raids tonight

[restive flame]

prior build had a lot of issues so im not surprised if things were wonky

[shrewd tusk]

Gotcha yeah I only ran two customs raids last night. I added in the latest builds, but getting my users to constantly download new mod updates is always a huge ask lol so I try to do it sparingly

I've pushed them an update so hopefully tonight we run some with the latest builds

Whatever was spawned however seemed really good. They were properly geared and had a lot of sensible loadouts/setups

[restive flame]

i'm expecting RC3 to be the last unless there are major bugs found

[unique shore]

Havent tested rc3 yet either but rc2 had no issues with mobs not spawning but it despawns seemed to happen quiet alot is that fixed in rc3

[limpid verge]

There was an issue earlier in the previous RC where I and a couple of others had Reshalas's spawn rate up to 100% but he wouldn't spawn

idk if that's still the case for RC3 though

[restive flame]

i'll check bosses to be sure but nothings changed in that regard, boss spawns have never been very consistent unfortunately, mostly because Donuts is doing a lot of work client-side and server-side spawns are so slow

1 thing i need to check is if TotalBossesPerMap is working as intended

[restive flame]

despawn should be working as intended

1 thing to note about despawn though, the cooldown applies to PMC and SCAV separately

so if a pmc has been despawned and the CD is active, SCAVs can still get despawned

they use different CD timers

its intended

[unique shore]

Ah ok

[restive flame]

but yea I checked with some additional debug logging to be sure, seems like despawn is working well

[maiden remnant]

That’s for sure but there were 2 that threw me off, one being getting jumped by 6 scavs in crackhouse and they all respawned the same way 5 minutes later while i was in the room, and the 4 scavs that were on top of each other near RUAF standing still, once i got within 50-75 meters of them they all “activated” and started bum rushing me outta nowhere. Just some odd behavior.

[unique shore]

Yea ai isnt that good with this eft patch

For spawning on top of u turn on min distance if u want so that doesnt happen

[maiden remnant]

first thing i did, much better 👍🏻

[restive flame]

You will run into scav gangs at “hotspot” areas, it’s by design. Some presets more than others. RNG is also involved ofc

this is assuming donuts default settings

[teal moon]

I think the hotspots are off by default.

[restive flame]

The hotspot boosts are, there are hotspot waves for each map however

Meaning, there is a dedicated wave for each map that only uses hotspot points

that can be changed of course just like everything else

[teal moon]

Tried cranking all to max, and still only ran into one scav in Sanitorium at Shoreline.

[restive flame]

context matters - when did they spawn? Did they die at some point? Despawned? There are other hotspot points beside resort

could also possibly be affected by the spawn cooldown

[teal moon]

I think i've messed Fika's own settings with the dynamic AI and such.

I'll try to reset all settings and try again.

[restive flame]

Use a debug tool to track spawns that’s your best bet

Or a map mod

[jagged jay]

Using the latest, and have not modified the spawn/scenario configs

[quasi eagle]

the screenshots that have been posted here where you can see a map, what mod is that?

[jagged jay]

That is Raid Review specifically on that one.

But any ways Nooky, is that a normal amount of bots for default customs with Starting PMCs - More Scavs scenario and hotspot turned on with SCAV only Despawn?

[restive flame]

Probably yeah, how many scavs is that? Morescavs presets have 100% to spawn scavs, you’re going to get a lot

I’m curious to see a larger sample size

[jagged jay]

I think I had a total of 59 bots spawn totally. But not sure how many despawned, need to count the current lost at the end of the raid when I died.

Ahh I think it might be a bug in the Raid Review

I don't think it is removing them from the review when they despawn.

Looks like only 11 bots were actually on the map at the time.

[restive flame]

I think someone else mentioned this recently

[median cedar]

It's the same issue with dynamic maps

[jagged jay]

Ahh good to know. Sorry for the false report.

[grizzled coral]

Are bots supposed to spawn like really near us during raids, had alot near missed deaths because of bots spawning way too close for comfort

[jagged jay]

The spawn minimum distance from player is disabled by default in SWAG + DONUTS

[restive flame]

For context

[jagged jay]

Nooky, does the despawn bot logic have a coresponding log in the BepInEx debug logs?

[restive flame]

Np it’s good feedback regardless

[restive flame]

Yup you’ll see despawn logs

[jagged jay]

Ok, I'll look for them. I am seeing hundreds of [Debug :DonutComponent] Skipping spawn due to battle cooldown. Time since last hit: 19.72191 logs

[grizzled coral]

Ah I see, I've always thought the settings meant during the start of raid as I noticed they would spawn way further in the map before engaging with them

[jagged jay]

All for the same time, and then it repeats a second or so later.

[restive flame]

Yeah new feature, donuts won’t spawn bots if you were just in combat

it’s for performance

[jagged jay]

Oh nice. I assume to prevent that small little blip in frames dropping during the spawning?

[restive flame]

right things like that

And you’re likely seeing a lot of those because logs because I’m pretty sure that’s checked every frame

[restive flame]

They apply to all PMCs/SCAVs for now

[grizzled coral]

Aight roger that, will try to test up as more along the way

[jagged jay]

Hey Nooky, possible bug on the despawning logic? I have PMC despawn set to No but then I am seeing this in the logs:

[Info   :ModulePatch] 09:37:16 Loading bot: Sanote profile from server. Role: pmcBEAR Side: Bear
...
[Debug  :DonutComponent] Furthest bot found: Sanote at distance 493.3412
[Debug  :DonutComponent] Despawning bot: Sanote (Bot7)

[limpid verge]

you can use debug t in the console

when running with FIKA

[restive flame]

yeah, maybe, 1 sec

[restive flame]

yeah good catch, fixing

can I send you a dll when im ready?

[uneven prairie]

Does despawning scavs impact rogues on lighthouse? Or are they excluded?

[restive flame]

excluded, only pmcs/scavs

[jagged jay]

And sure Nooky

Not sure when I can test though. Might be in a couple of hours

[grizzled coral]

Not sure if the spawn in time is off or not, because even after the recent RC3 update, as host, I came into the raid later before the rest

[restive flame]

this will need more testing then to be sure

[cloud sand]

Playing for 4 hours right now with 3 more ppl. Our spawns are fine. But still had zero bot spawns on GZ with 15+ lvl

[grizzled coral]

No worries boss, did check on the changelog its was been fixed, just manage to test just now with my crew and the bug manage to appear on the opposite end

[still swan]

I'll take a look at the code in Fika and see what can be done.

[grizzled coral]

appreciate it boss

Down to help since me and my crew are from different timezones, just ping if need anything

[still swan]

I will fix it in Fika when I get home on Monday

[limpid verge]

Yeah, makes sense. The patch I applied stops it running on the clients so that clients dont sit there for the full 30 seconds waiting like they did before so now the host is the major factor in waiting

At least the load times should be a bit quicker, in my testing it should take only 8 seconds or so for the host to get into raid after the clients

which is still an improvement over the 30 or so it took for clients initially

[grizzled coral]

Yup noticed it was far better despite the different in most clients internet speed and loadup time on their drives

its just nerf wreaking when one has to defend others from premature raid hahah

[limpid verge]

Yeah lacy and me talked a bit already about how to fix it fully and he can implement it when he's back and it should fix it for QB as well (considering they both do the same thing)

[limpid verge]

I think it should be less of an issue for now though, I think the bots spawn in when the host is done loading

Or at least they did for me

[prisma spindle]

Is it possible to create a pattern where waves are disabled?

[teal moon]

I dont know if latest(test) Swag causes this but first time i've ran to this kind of issue

[spark marsh]

I think that has to do with despawning and should be fixed in the next release

[teal moon]

Its another player, not AI.

[spark marsh]

Not sure then

Donuts shouldn't cause issues with other players...

[restive flame]

sure, just remove the waves from the PMC and SCAV blocks in the configs

[prisma spindle]

Thanks because i tried deleting the config file of waves and nothing where spawning

[gleaming nimbus]

i got this once too while on the latest version of swag+donuts

it didnt affect our gameplay tho

[restive flame]

fixing this

[uneven prairie]

It's probably handled as a different map?

[restive flame]

yeah

[digital viper]

fresh install RC3 and last version of waypoint i had this on launch

[teal moon]

https://github.com/Nympfonic/UnityToolkit/releases/tag/v1.0.1
You need this

[digital viper]

is this new for 3.9.0?

[teal moon]

Theres no SWAG + Donuts for 3.9.0, other than test builds.

[pearl narwhal]

yes, as listed in the changelogs and when the test builds are posted

[digital viper]

i know they are test build. im trying to test them and report

[vapid plank]

like @teal moon said, you need to install UnityToolkit

wanting to test stuff is cool but you're just causing more work if you don't read the instructions

[severe niche]

Its been working absolutely great for me based of the handful of raids last night. i did a fresh install of spt and all my mods and could instantly tell the difference. People were spawning everywhere and also near my spawn which was cool. and they continued spawning throughtout the raid. And Ground Zero was working just fine. Nothing bad to report. They also seemed less blinded by bushes but that might be a sain thing - which is a good thing

made me want to stay up playing

[vapid plank]

you know it's good if @severe niche is actually complimenting it, dayum

[severe niche]

Wdym lol?

I have nothing but praise for these mods. But yeah, past version was cooked

[vapid plank]

nah I feel like I mostly see you exasperated over people doing dumb shit here haha

always good for a laugh

[severe niche]

oh yeah lol. its just annoying seeing the same thing over and over when its so easy to find stuff is all. And I might sound like an asshole sometimes but its always joking. My sense of humor mostly only works in person when you can see me smiling lol

[restive flame]

thanks for the feedback I appreciate it

[restive flame]

SPT 3.8.x ONLY
https://github.com/p-kossa/nookys-swag-presets-spt/releases/download/v3.5.0-SPT390-RC1/SWAG-Donuts-v3.4.0-SPT38x.zip

SPT 3.9.0 ONLY
https://github.com/p-kossa/nookys-swag-presets-spt/releases/download/v3.5.0-SPT390-RC1/SWAG-Donuts-v3.5.0-SPT390-RC4.zip

Changes from previous build:

• fixed bots getting despawned when not supposed to
• fixed GZ high issues

[vapid plank]

honestly, thank you for maintaining 3.8 for those of us that aren't ready to wipe yet - super super meaningful

[restive flame]

its the least I can do, I know many have been waiting for an update still on 383

[teal moon]

Players turning invisible ¨20 secs after raid starts.
Swag problem or?

[late dagger]

So we do have a functioning version for 3.9? just want to verify.

[cloud sand]

Can confirm. Thought it was because of modded clothes. But seems like it caused by something else

So in group of 4 ppl (Im host) Im turning invisible for all my team. But for me one of teammates gets invisible

[jagged jay]

Yes, the 3.9.0 version is pretty much working. RC4 should be the one going to release unless someone reports a bug.

[jagged jay]

Legend! I'll check the despawning part as soon as I can

[arctic loom]

are these versions for 3.8.3?
https://i.imgur.com/CQitJVu.png

thanks

[limpid verge]

I think UnityToolkit doesn't have dependencies on either tarkov version

[arctic loom]

ah sweet thank you 🙂

[limpid verge]

So just grab the latest one 👍

[broken star]

Omg how lucky am I that I was just updating everything and came to see this! You're the best!!! (was not gonna play cuz I didn't have my swag+donuts ;P)

[idle quest]

is the setting for "Maximum number of PMC respawns per raid" suppose to work like so?

lets say 12 PMCs spawn at the start of the raid and the setting described above is set to "1" does that mean only 13 PMCs will show up throughout the entire raid?

[restive flame]

Yeah exactly

[idle quest]

im not sure its working quite yet

ill provide info, one sec

every other setting was default. I think on Reserve "live-like" I saw at least 20 PMCs durring about a 25-30min time frame

actually I think i spent even less time in raid than that

[restive flame]

I’ll look into it thanks

[idle quest]

🫡

are there any more things I can grab? logs? etc

[restive flame]

Can you get me debug BepInEx logs?

[idle quest]

sure thing

is that the LogOutput.txt under BeInEx?

actually new plan. I saw you mention enabling debug logging in the BepInEx.cfg file. Gonna enable that, spin up a new raid and see if I can grab those log files

[restive flame]

Yeah use “All” for console logging levels

Thanks

[idle quest]

a 20ish minute sesh on reserve

if it matters, the mods I have installed are:

• SAIN
• Swagnuts
• Fika
• Bigbrain and Waypoints
• loot value
• dynamic maps
• UnityToolkit
• Boss Notifier
• Ram Cleaner Fix
• BotDebug
• Looting Bots
• Amand's Graphics
• More Checkmarks
• achievement percentage

Load Order:

{
  "order": [
    "SWAG",
    "fika-server",
    "zSolarint-SAIN-ServerMod",
    "Skwizzy-LootingBots-ServerMod",
    "MoreCheckmarksBackend",
    "IhanaMies-LootValueBackend",
    "goldenheartbell-achievementspercentagelive"
  ]
}

[restive flame]

Thanks I’ll take a look when I get a chance later

[restive flame]

thanks i know what's wrong, fixing it

[idle quest]

Nice work, thank you!

[marsh hull]

I'll work on fixing this

[calm sluice]

Does anyone know where I get this? Donuts is failing to load because I don't have it

[pearl narwhal]

https://pics.eku.moe/u/ZrPicc.png

[calm sluice]

turns out I'm getting to old for google I found it thanks

ah installing that per the instructions I still get this

[limpid verge]

Should be 5-6 dll’s or so you get with that and they should go to bepinex plugins

[calm sluice]

and I just drag and drop the bepinex folder in my root folder yes?

a la these instructions?

[limpid verge]

Ye

[calm sluice]

should it matter if I install that before or after swag+donuts?

[limpid verge]

No

[calm sluice]

still didn't work. oh well.

[unreal lotus]

for me or 3.9 all the pmcs kust spawn on one another and dont move until the game crashes

[drifting ledge]

Lil question, the show random preset selection

Select a random preset and show as notification in the raid start or just show the selected preset?

[restive flame]

show the selected, it's been changed

[drifting ledge]

Ok

Today was another freaking busy day but my friend test a raid with the new build and he literally call me cuz

175 bots

Dorms literally a warzone

[restive flame]

lol what settings

[drifting ledge]

I check it cuz i come to his house

Live like both
No despawn
No global min spawn to the player
All sliders original
Difficulty default

[restive flame]

damn thats a lot

[drifting ledge]

Let me get home and throw one on my side

[idle quest]

Jesus Christ lol

[unreal lotus]

anyone got decent settings for 3.9

[broken star]

Man I wish I had your computer to handle that many bots...

[drifting ledge]

You dont want he say those last 10mins his computer max speed all the fans

[restive flame]

no new build tonight, I'll have something with more fixes tomorrow and start prepping a full release then

[remote wharf]

thank you for your hard work

[uneven prairie]

Out of the box without tweaking configs you could do: Use preset impossibleraids, enable hotspot spawning, disable despawning, that kind of thing

[severe osprey]

was getting a lot of the following message on the latest RC, is this normal? Seemed like the map would be pretty empty on raid start (I was using a custom preset thats essentially starting-pmcs-only-scav-raids, but the maxnum is bumped up to 10 instead of 6)

[Warning:ModulePatch] Max raid delay time reached. Proceeding with raid start, some bots might spawn late!
[Warning:ModulePatch] Donuts bot preparation is complete...```

here's the full log

also tried just normal live-like to see if i'd get diff results but pretty much the same so i'm assuming i may have a conflict of some sort - i'll do some isolated testing later today

(that log may contain stuff with a dev version of QB, but i also tested without QB first and was having the same issue, just added QB to see if it would help the bots move around more)

[cyan zenith]

You can set the AI limit in the donuts presets config file of your choice to something ridiculous like 99 lmao. I myself am waiting for the headless/dedicated client so I can have my tarkov warzone in high FPS

[rain hornet]

Is there a place where we can follow this headless development? Didn't know it was an ongoing project!

[cyan zenith]

It's most likely your cpu, the limit only changes the max bots allowed but you might have something else controlling the amounts like fikacore. You can change the starting spawn behavior of donuts by finding the patterns folder and editing the start config for the map you want. There should be a PMC section in there that has specific number ranges for how many should spawn at the start of the raid, and the min and max squad size. I wanted specifically 15 PMC's to start the raid with me on customs so I edited both the min and max value to 15, if you really want to try setting it to 99 be my guest but you might just crash lol

[cyan zenith]

It's just the #🖥fika-development channel, updates happen sporadically so don't try to rush them

https://github.com/project-fika/Fika-Plugin/tree/headless-3.9

It has a branch in the Fika plugin GitHub but if you don't know how to build it yourself I wouldn't try it

That's what SPT is currently, unfortunately. If you want to make tarkov truly yours you are going to have to tinker

I don't touch that, my personal way of doing it is setting the donuts max to 99 for all maps on life-like preset(the only one I use) then using the fikacore f12 menu's spawn control to set the limit to what I want

I think fikacores despawning works better than donuts too last time I checked, since on my dynamic map the player markers stay there after the bots despawn using the donuts one but not the Fikacore one

[manic dust]

Does sawg+donuts work on 3.9.0 or should i just wait till ful realease ?

[shrewd tusk]

There’s test builds up a dozen posts

[manic dust]

are they working ?

and also if i use them will i have to wipe my profile once the new test build gets update ?

[honest vale]

no , you'll need to wipe once going from 3.8.3 -> 3.9.0

but that has nothing to do with swag+donuts

[limpid verge]

Yeah, RC4 mostly works

[rain hornet]

In my experience, minor bugs but it's working very well. I am playing with it since I switched to 3.9.0.

Regarding the progression, you indeed have to wipe. If losing your progress is a big deal, you can use SPT profile editor to give you again some items, skills, hideout, quests etc..

[manic dust]

ahhh how do i wipe the profiles, or at least wipe the server ?

fresh reinstall

[shrewd tusk]

Fresh install yep

[halcyon terrace]

are they all supposed to be gathering around like this or is this a sign of the mod not working?

i have sain and swag+donuts

[limpid verge]

Might be despawned bots

[halcyon terrace]

ah okay

so would they spread out on their own or do i gotta adjust some settings?

im not really hearing gunshots from that area either

[limpid verge]

I think those are despawned as in SWAGNUTS despawned them and the map didn't update

[halcyon terrace]

ah okay

[limpid verge]

I put in a simple code change with the creator of dynamic maps to remove those markers

So maybe it'll be fixed in the next version

[halcyon terrace]

alright

thanks for the fast response

[grizzled coral]

Out of question, but don't mind asking him if it's possible on the airdrop to fit onto Fika since doesn't work with it?

[limpid verge]

I think it's something FIKA would have to change to support it better

It's possible to do it in that mod as well, but it's also possible that more mods using that way of checking for airdrops are broken and it might have to be changed in FIKA itself

I'll have a look

[grizzled coral]

Appreciate it boss

[glacial arch]

anyone else getting problems with PMCs spawning too close? enabled global min distance to player setting. RC4, SAIN 3.0.3, questing bots

right off spawn on ground zero I had 2-3 PMCs spawn around 20 meters away

[humble granite]

The minimum spawn distance from player option is disabled in f9 by default so that spawns aren’t skipped, but you can enable it and tweak to how you like

[glacial arch]

Right I enabled it. But every so often it seems the spawns don’t follow those rules and I get PMCs and sometimes scavs spawning really close.

It doesn’t happen every time, however

[limpid verge]

Should be fixed in FIKA for the next release.

[uneven prairie]

The airdrop not showing up in DynamicMaps? Nice one! 🐐

[unique shore]

dragonhype god damn champion here

[rose moon]

u better discord user

[unique shore]

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-well-actually-as-a-matter-of-fact-gif-27665011

its vencord

[idle quest]

Hello ive noticed that when editing the GUI config that when I go to edit numbered values next to sliders I am not able to close the GUI until I click off of the GUI entirely

This is latest pre-release I believe

also for bugs would you prefer if we created a Github issue page on this repo? https://github.com/p-kossa/nookys-swag-presets-spt

i figured its more convienient to track issues there but I wanted to make sure I had the right repo

[limpid verge]

I've seen nooky just use https://github.com/dvize/Donuts/issues to be honest

But maybe I'm wrong

[idle quest]

ill see what Nooky has to say but will def keep this in mind

[uneven prairie]

Are you able to close the GUI with a click outside of it? I always just use ESC or the F button it's configured on 🤣

[idle quest]

Yeah im able to close it fine, i think the main issue is that the UI is still focused on the text input field I select and so it doesnt allow me to close it until the focus is elsewhere

[full loom]

Hi! Has anyone found a way to get the bosses to spawn 100% of the time? I can't seem to get them, and also the scav snipers don't appear either, strangely (I am testing on Customs).

[idle quest]

you'll need to edit the SWAG config json files if you arnt already. If that isnt working then the issue may be load order related, if thats not working then this is bug ticket worthy 😆

[full loom]

How to change the load order? Because I've already edited the files.

[uneven prairie]

Go to user\mods\SWAG\config\bosses, tweak the specific boss.json you want to have spawned and put "Time": to -1 instead of 1.
Then in the bossConfig.json make sure you put the spawn chance on 100 for the boss you want to spawn for the map you want.

Same for scav_sniper: user\mods\SWAG\config\other\scav_snipers.json. Change "Time" to -1 for the specific map and zone you want them to spawn.
You don't need to tweak the bossChance or any other property in that json, bosschance is handled by the bossConfig.json if you have "useGlobalBossSpawnChance": true,

[restive flame]

use this please https://github.com/dvize/Donuts/

[idle quest]

Will do, thank you 🫡

[idle quest]

The order.json file under <SPT>/user/mods fill out the array in the json file with the folder names of the mods that go in that folder

[full loom]

what is the good order ? swag in first ?

my order is empty ^^

{
"order": []
}

[idle quest]

There isn't really a universal rule of thumb. You'll have to feel it out but something to know is that what comes first in the list has "higher priority" (it loads first). Just throw every mod in that directory (not all mods just the ones that appear there) in the list. I recommend putting SWAG ahead of Fika

There is also a "Load Order Editor" mod someone made that I may recommend but I have noticed it has some bugs with its latest release. It mostly works fine though

Im not at home otherwise I would link to it

[full loom]

hmm, i try the mod 🙂

thanks

[uneven prairie]

If that doesn't work, try editing the files I mentioned

[full loom]

its done, i editing the files 😉

[idle quest]

HeiZen You should do what they suggested regardless

Oh u edited them

My b

[full loom]

Yes, that's the first thing I did and I've been trying for several days, but the only thing I haven't done is the mod load order

Oh i try your last version @restive flame ❤️

[limpid verge]

Hmm, I'm forcefully despawning bots on RC4 and then waiting for them to respawn.. Are the newly spawned in bots not supposed to activate until you get close to them @restive flame?

Just running FIKA & your mod

[idle quest]

Hey Nooky do you plan on adding back the bossmania option? What was the reasoning for getting rid of it? (Just curious)

[idle quest]

From what I've seen they should be active when they spawn. Fika has an option for disabling so at certain distances. Maybe that's toggled on?

[restive flame]

hold on don't use that RC5 yet, need to add something

[limpid verge]

Nah, I have that off in FIKA

[idle quest]

Oh weird. But you're saying the bots are disabled when they spawn in initially?

[limpid verge]

Yeah, so I have a force despawn command in FIKA which basically deletes all of the bots from the map, I wait for a new wave to spawn back in however that new wave is disabled until I move my character closer

Maybe it's something in FIKA causing it, I haven't checked yet but I have dynamic AI off in the settings

[uneven prairie]

With that new version you won't need to update the Time to -1 anymore 🙂

[idle quest]

That's interesting. Not sure what would be happening then

I have to assume it's Fika related

[full loom]

you miss -1 for the boss ?

[restive flame]

i changed the spawn times, not this

SPT 3.9.0 ONLY

https://github.com/p-kossa/nookys-swag-presets-spt/releases/download/v3.5.0-SPT390-RC1/SWAG-Donuts-v3.5.0-SPT390-RC5.zip

Changes from previous build

• fixed bots not moving around normally sometimes (thank you DanW and props)
• fixed max respawn options not working as expected
• improved factory spawns for all presets
• changed all SWAG boss spawn times from 1 to -1 (they will ignore your SWAG bot caps, keep this in mind)

this should fix bots ignoring each other i think?

needs testing

[snow steeple]

installing and trying it out

[full loom]

thx, ok i touch nothing just reshalla 100% 😇

[uneven prairie]

He will spawn

[limpid verge]

Will load a raid into customs as well with both the goons and reshala at 100% since I'm doing some testing on this ai being disabled until I'm too close anyway

[snow steeple]

i hope just really for that "should fix bots ignoring each other"

[limpid verge]

Reshala spawned, but the goons didn't

[full loom]

i dont have reshala

AAAArghhhhh

[uneven prairie]

You did change the amount of bosses to > 1 or -1?

[limpid verge]

I didn't change anything in that, I just copied the latest files from RC5

which should have that change

[restive flame]

I didn’t change total bosses, only the spawn times

Default is still 1

[limpid verge]

oh

[uneven prairie]

"TotalBossesPerMap": {
        "factory": -1,
        "factory_night": -1,
        "customs": -1,
        "woods": -1,
        "shoreline": -1,
        "lighthouse": -1,
        "reserve": -1,
        "interchange": -1,
        "laboratory": -1,
        "streets": -1
    }

These

[restive flame]

I’ll probably change those too to avoid any confusion

[limpid verge]

Yeah, that's probably a good idea

[full loom]

-1 and 100% reshalla

where are you fucking reshalla ? haha

[uneven prairie]

You do have boss markers on right? 🤣

[full loom]

yes

[limpid verge]

Yeah with them at -1 it works

[full loom]

WHY NOT ME ?

😢

[restive flame]

Did you change these

[uneven prairie]

I did myself yeah

Default is 1

[restive flame]

Sorry was asking Heizen

[snow steeple]

is it normal that the first raid ther is never a pmc spawning? i mean is it because it is the first raid or is it just random live like only starting pmc setting

[full loom]

yes for custom, i put -1 for all map, the server restart now

[restive flame]

Not normal, there is an edge case where if your starting bot count is low and spawns fail checks, then you could end up with little to no spawns. That’s a rare case though and can be avoided with settings

[snow steeple]

@restive flame could you tell me wich settings these are? my english not so good in any case its not so bad its just the first raid after that there are pmc spawning

[restive flame]

Basically if you want more reliable spawns then you want to keep your global min distances very short or disable them, increase your bot count ranges in the spawn files, maybe increase your bot caps too.

There are a lot of donuts options that function as spawn skippers basically

[snow steeple]

@restive flame thx my man i will look after those settings

just changed the boss spawns to -1 and see whats happening now and if they are ignoring eachother still

[limpid verge]

What mods are you loading?

[limpid verge]

[full loom]

if you see bad mod ^^^

390 temporaryfixes maybe ?

[limpid verge]

I dont know which of these affects bot spawning

so just set SWAG to load as last I guess

[uneven prairie]

Why not try it with only DONUTS / SWAG? See if that works?

[full loom]

yes,i have looting bot

yep

[snow steeple]

only questing bots would affect spawns and it disabled it automatically if it detects swag

[severe osprey]

this is known to have issues with bot generation mods

has a disclaimer on the mod page i believe

[snow steeple]

thats my load order now trying it with swag as latest

[full loom]

i dont have this one ^^

questing bot is not ready for 3.9

Swag ++ donuts need to be a first load or last ?

[limpid verge]

Put swag as last to load

Basically whatever comes before it overrrides

[full loom]

is a good mod ?

https://hub.sp-tarkov.com/files/file/1082-loe-load-order-editor/

[limpid verge]

I use that yeah, at least used to in 3.8

[severe osprey]

if u need to edit load order then yes its a good tool

[rose moon]

LOEDD allows for dragging

[severe osprey]

most cases u wont need to fuck w load order unless explicitly stated by the mod tho

[limpid verge]

Depends on if you have multiple mods fucking with spawns

[severe osprey]

that sounds like user error anyway lol

[limpid verge]

Eh, at least the load error thing is a quick way to make sure which mods do what

[full loom]

easy mod ^^ cool, i restart the serv 🤞

[limpid verge]

So basically what the mod load order for my server on 3.8 looks like is something like this

SWAG, SAIN and fika mostly last in the load order so they can override everything other mods have done

That's what your load order should look like too

[idle quest]

I thought higher up the list had "higher priority" ?

its the opposite?

[limpid verge]

No, it's descending

[idle quest]

O o f

I gotta rethink my load order lol

[severe osprey]

i always load fika first lol

[limpid verge]

whatever is first loads first, then second

[idle quest]

has it always been descending? Ill probably need to update my 3.8.3 order as well

[severe osprey]

yes always been that way

for pretty much any load order on any game

[idle quest]

thanks 🫡

[snow steeple]

@full loom i use qb and its okay it works for me with 3.9

[idle quest]

questing bots?

is there a 3.9 pre-release or something?

[full loom]

no reshalla again

https://hub.sp-tarkov.com/files/file/1534-questing-bots/ is 3.8.3 version

[idle quest]

ah i see

thanks

[full loom]

good order no ?

iam lost

[idle quest]

pog order

[uneven prairie]

Get rid of everything except SWAG and DONUTS

And test again 😄

[limpid verge]

[idle quest]

unironically good idea lol

uninstall everything

[full loom]

last option, lets go

[idle quest]

🍻 good luck

[uneven prairie]

Nah last option is reinstalling Windows ofc

[idle quest]

wait ur right

build entirely new and different pc, reinstall windows, reinstall spt, reinstall mods

[full loom]

install linux.. its better ?

[idle quest]

I would use linux if Valve built better drivers for SteamOS so I could use that as a full desktop environment

the community made version needs work still

[severe osprey]

this appears every raid i try to start and the bot count is super low it seems (on live-like)

assuming its some type of conflict so gonna confirm w just a swag+donuts run

[full loom]

Soooo .....

[idle quest]

you clearly arnt asking reshala nicely to appear

[full loom]

lets go for new clean version of SPT

[restive flame]

Try increasing your raid load delay in the options, what’s it set to now?

[full loom]

where is the delay ?

[severe osprey]

whatever the default is - haven't changed it

think its 60s by default

[restive flame]

Yeah try increasing that

[full loom]

where ?

[idle quest]

while in game open donuts config menu, click "Advanced Settings" its the first option I believe

[full loom]

i put 5 for the raid load time delay ?

[severe osprey]

haven't increased it yet, but removing all mods except SAIN, realism, SWAG+Donuts (and their respective dependencies) seemed to have solved it - gonna try slowly readding some to see if i can find whats causing the hanging

[full loom]

I removed all the mods, except Sain, waypoint, swag + donuts and that didn't solve anything -_-

[severe osprey]

we are also having very different issues

[full loom]

i réinstall AKI

[uneven prairie]

Can you show a screenshot of your reshala.json and then specifically for the map customs?

[full loom]

i dont touch reshala.json

[uneven prairie]

I know, I want to see the values in it currently 🙂

[full loom]

just bossConfig.json

[uneven prairie]

Looks good

[full loom]

lets go 😄

[uneven prairie]

Lol

[severe osprey]

are you using realism? iirc, realism won't spawn bosses when you are early level

[full loom]

i dont have realism

[severe osprey]

gotcha

[idle quest]

HeiZen has done quite a bit to figure this out

we're like on stage 9 or something idk

HeiZen when u get everything setup again you should enable Debug logs and see if anything spits out that might indicate what's going wrong

[full loom]

i dont uderstand

iam fucking french and my english is bad

[severe osprey]

yeah definitely turn on the bepinex logs lol

console*

[idle quest]

its okay, no worries. Im basically saying you have done a lot to try and fix the issue

[full loom]

where turn on the bepinex logs ?

[idle quest]

one sec

[severe osprey]

bepinex > configs > bepinex.cfg

[full loom]

ok thx !

[idle quest]

<SPT>/BepInEx/configs/bepinex.cfg where it says "LogLevels" set it to LogLevels = All

[severe osprey]

also turn the console on so u can see the shit in real time

[idle quest]

wait how do i do that 👀 i usually just look at the log file

like the in game console? ~ ?

[full loom]

news installation, Reshalla is here 100% ...

[severe osprey]

option right below what u told him lol

[idle quest]

LETS GOOOOOOO

[idle quest]

LOL thank u

[limpid verge]

In BepInEx's config you can enable the console too

[idle quest]

is there a performance cost to enabling debug logs?

[severe osprey]

no

well afaik no

[idle quest]

nice i might keep that on always

[severe osprey]

i do

good when u need to troubleshoot

[full loom]

i put fika or not ?

after maybe

[severe osprey]

yeah test the waters bud go crazy

find the issue

[idle quest]

yeah, my buddy has a problem in our 3.8.3 playthrough where if he plays on his own he crashes but ONLY when he plays on his own. (He uses my server still, i have it running all da time)

so being able to see debug logs and get more info would be nice

[idle quest]

Ive done one test, same way I reported the issue. I can say for now that the max respawn bug is fixed. Nice work 🫡 ill make a new bug ticket if I see it again

[full loom]

i cant find unity tool kit SPT

[limpid verge]

https://github.com/Nympfonic/UnityToolkit/releases

[full loom]

30 mods to 1 mod ^^

[idle quest]

so it works when its only SWAG 😎

[uneven prairie]

Im playing with 15 mods and bosses spawn fine, so now go find out which one messes it up xD

[full loom]

my raid start, i need to wait one minute ?

Oh no !

its good

fucking reshallaaaa

I'm going to redownload my mods.. and do some tests and try to tell you which one is screwing up

[idle quest]

still no reshala 😭

I think Reshala just doesnt like you or something

[full loom]

reshala spawn !

in dorms ❤️

[idle quest]

wait is that reshala in dorms here?

its working?

[limpid verge]

Yeah he is, if you zoom in on dorms

it's just transparent

[idle quest]

nice nice nice

ez pz

[full loom]

I don't need to reinstall windows

[idle quest]

you should do it anyway just because you can 😎

[severe osprey]

@restive flame oddly enough, the mod causing the hanging is fontaine's FOV fix (think it may be a RC, lemme double check)

[tranquil zinc]

how do i make bots spawn with me at start of raid or sooner than 15 min? any help is appreciated

[full loom]

https://hub.sp-tarkov.com/files/file/672-spt-installer/#versions i take the last version... sooo i can"t run fika i think

[severe osprey]

they should by default?

[tranquil zinc]

i get full of loot before i see any bots. i tried a couple different presets and its the same each time. i got a 3.83 and 3.90 build and they are both same result

[severe osprey]

are you confirming there are no bots through some other means like dynamic maps or are u just basing this off gameplay?

[idle quest]

latest fika works fine with latest SPT

[tranquil zinc]

tried both on 3.83 dynamic and a bot detect only dynamic on 3.9.0 no gunfire no visual

[idle quest]

what mods are installed?

[full loom]

i retry my version with full mod

i have reshalla dude! but i delete FIKA

[idle quest]

https://discord.com/channels/1202292159366037545/1259581265393352795

here is latest fika

oh ur saying that Fika might be the reason why reshala wasnt spawning?

thats unfortunate if so

[limpid verge]

Latest FIKA works fine on 3.9.1, dont worry about the warning in the server console

[tranquil zinc]

no looting bots or questing do have SVM but ive tried before and after Swag in load order

[idle quest]

so you're saying all you have is SVM, SAIN, and SWAG + Donuts?

[full loom]

But guys, I'm going to keep my version with the mods, it's FIKA the problem and yet I have the latest version

[idle quest]

thats unfortunate

[full loom]

an option to change in fika?

[tranquil zinc]

no other bot spawning mods

[severe osprey]

i dont think fika was the issue brother - unless someone else here who is a fika user can confirm they dont have bosses spawning

[idle quest]

there could be a conflict between SVM and SWAG + Donuts. You can try disabling certain settings in SVM but otherwise not entirely sure what would be causing the issue you're seeing

[full loom]

it is ! i try so many time, i try with my mods and no fika.. first try

@idle quest server version : 2.2.0 par : Fika est chargé / good version for you ?

[limpid verge]

They spawn for me

[idle quest]

ignore the server version, its not the build number. I use this one https://discord.com/channels/1202292159366037545/1259581265393352795

[full loom]

i have 3.9.0

[idle quest]

wait when did spt 3.9.1 drop?

[idle quest]

im also using 3.9.0 btw

[limpid verge]

About two hours ago

[full loom]

lol

[idle quest]

pog

gonna browse the changelist

[severe osprey]

it doesn't fix the bots unfortunately 😭

[idle quest]

compatible with 3.9.0 mods and profiles lets fucking gooooooo

[idle quest]

I have a feeling thats gonna need BSG, either that or a mod developer will need to figure it out haha

im kinda getting the feeling that the issue cant be modded away though so idk

[sharp hare]

anybody else still having the issue with invisibile players? we are running the latest donuts test version (RC 5) and sain 3.0.3 and still having this issue every time we go on woods

[limpid verge]

What's with the bots?

[severe osprey]

weirdness w pmcs/scavs not engaging

[full loom]

what do you use for update 3.9.1 ?

[idle quest]

bots dont kill eachother sometimes. (specifically PMCs and SCAVs)

only happens sometimes

[severe osprey]

probably due to how the bots were coded around the mark of unheard

[limpid verge]

Ah, that's a BSG bug or so Dan from questing bots seems to think

[severe osprey]

it definitely is

[idle quest]

https://dev.sp-tarkov.com/SPT/Stable-releases/releases

[severe osprey]

its reported in live as well

[idle quest]

you can manually drag the files on top of 3.9.0, just read the instructions here and also backup your files

[tranquil zinc]

seen it in loading sreen just belt or helmet standing there

[hybrid shell]

i read at some point this only affected start of raid spawns, is that still true? (regarding bots not attacking each other)

[limpid verge]

Yes, but only for the host

about 8-10 seconds where as it was 30 for clients before

[sharp hare]

yes, sometimes times I can see the backpack and weapon from the other players

[tranquil zinc]

think 3.9.0 needed to cook alittle longer

[limpid verge]

Could be something not entirely getting deleted when despawning, is this happening with clients / host or also when solo-raiding?

[tranquil zinc]

Solo for me

[sharp hare]

somehow this is happening since donuts RC 3

[lilac oyster]

how do you install this mod?

[severe osprey]

@restive flame ok so i can 100% confirm fontaine's FOV fix was the issue, am able to reproduce it every time only loading S+D and dependencies and FOV fix. it is his RC1 for 3.9 so hopefully he can address whatever the issue is in future updates

[restive flame]

hmm interesting, thanks for testing

[tranquil zinc]

Prob wouldnt have tried SPT but was at a friends house and seen how amazing the work is you did with this mod...... just wanted to say thanks

[restive flame]

Thank you I appreciate it

[severe niche]

in my expierence this map is unreliable for testing

[limpid verge]

Why?

[severe niche]

it doesnt show correct markers at times. Like bots that arent there and such

better to use free cam and an overlay

[limpid verge]

Yeah, because the current 'released' version doesn't have support for bot despawning

[severe osprey]

yeah think thats any map rn tbh

[limpid verge]

I have my own custom built based off of https://github.com/mpstark/SPT-DynamicMaps/pull/16 and I can see it fine when bots despawn

[severe osprey]

if ur using dynamic maps as ur sole debug tool lmao

[severe niche]

is what im saying not to do.

[severe osprey]

and we are telling u the reason its happening

its fine to use it as a debug tool

[restive spoke]

fixed bots not moving around normally sometimes (thank you DanW and props)
using two mods that patch the same stuff is probably not good, right? I'm just curious, because I'm using a self-compiled QB with Dans fix and wanted to try S+D with it

[severe osprey]

they work fine together

am currently using it

[severe niche]

[severe osprey]

just be mindful that we're using dev branch shit and we should remove qb first thing if we need to troubleshoot stuff

[restive spoke]

the version you downloaded from the dev branch isnt the one with Dans fix for AIvsAI

[severe osprey]

oooooo i gotcha

does it have a conflicting patch that qb doesn't with s+d?

[idle quest]

just asking cuz im curious, how is Qb working so far? Is it playing nice with your mod setup?

i havent read the rest of this conversation so im sorry if im missing context

[restive spoke]

its basically the same patch, that's why I'm asking

[severe osprey]

just... use one without the patch?

[restive spoke]

yea, works great so far

[severe osprey]

but it shouldn't conflict i'd think

[restive spoke]

yea, but I'm curious how it works out in the future too 😄

[severe osprey]

i mean if u wanna experiment go ahead brother send it, i'd probably just use QB without the patch and try the s+d RC5

unless the QB version with the patch adds other things as well

then yeah just send it

[restive spoke]

maybe I will give it a go later

[idle quest]

nice 😎

Hey Nooky I noticed that when using the Live Like (Random) PMC Raid Spawn Preset Selection that one of the "starting pmcs" presets is in the pool

[Log] : Donuts Selected Spawn Preset: starting-pmcs-only-live-like-alt

[lime fjord]

Could someone recommend a configuration so that my FPS don't drop from 60 to 25 ? i have Ryzen 7 2300x

[idle quest]

you will want less bots spawning.

• Use quite raids or starting pmc only presets
• keep despawn pmcs and despawn scavs enabled
• under "Spawn Frequency" up the cooldown timer (its in seconds)
• and finally configure the max number of respawns for scavs and pmcs according to your needs.

for streets, lighthouse, and reserve nothing is really going to improve performance unless you use AI limiters from some mod

Fika has one, and if you're on 3.8.X Questing Bots has a better one

Frankly the number of bots wont matter toooo much as long as you use an AI limiter of some kind

[full loom]

All work good now, thanks you very much guys for your help !

[idle quest]

LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOO

ez pz

🍻

[snow steeple]

how can i disabled it that pmc spawns at 20min left doing a scav raid? those 4 pmc spawned after 10min doing scav raids preset svav raid besides that everything was fine pmc killing scavs i did a pmc raid before and they killed eachother too

[snow steeple]

justr one fke pmc ruinied it

[restive flame]

different ways, use the pmc hard stop time and/or max pmc respawns

[chilly peak]

We are on RC4 on woods. Usually after the host (me) takes ages to spawn. I see a retry in the SPT log before I finally appear. My buddies are already in and watching my static character then I disappear and we can’t see each other. Then eventually will see a rig or a backpack.

[lilac oyster]

IM new to modding and i dowloaded this moved it all over and its saying something about a unity tool kit any help?

[pearl narwhal]

well read the error then google 3 words to find it
append "spt" to the beginning of the google search for what you're trying to find

[sharp hare]

Exactly the same on our side. We only played Customs, GZ and Woods so far and this happens only on woods

[restive flame]

The raid delay for Fika definitely will need improvement, it’s planned, will need more time/testing

[half oriole]

So according to Wiki Ground Zero should have cultists at Lv21+ now... Looked into how to support this in SWAG at all? just curious :>

[trail rapids]

For anybody using questing bots dev build with swag + donuts for 3.9.0

In my experience questing bots auto disable of bot spawns doesn’t seem to work (yes the server says it is disabling, but doesn’t actually initiate it). I manually had to disabled bot spawn in the config files of QB in order to get swag + donuts to properly handle bots.

[idle quest]

where did u acquire this dev build? 👀

[half oriole]

~~Considering they haven't made any changes to their github since last week, which was to remove the false 3.9.0 compatability thingy that was shown... I don't know what you're playing with

blinks~~

oh wait they do have a dev branch, nvm

[drifting ledge]

hi, any new build or i continue test with rc4?

[half oriole]

Wouldn't use it until they give out a proper test release tho, since it seems they just have changed source files you'll have to add in yourself

[lilac oyster]

when you install 3.9.0 Swag+Dounts do you need to install/change anything else?

[idle quest]

#1231242473255469167 message

[lime fjord]

I have this problem when trying to enter as a PMC; when loading the map, an error occurs and it returns me to the menu. In the console, this appears ... but it only happens with the PMC[Client Request] /client/raid/configuration
Avg. Player Level = 69
Map Name = factory4_day
Map Type = cqb
Time 11:22:33
Time of Day = day
SWAG: PMC conversion is OFF (this is good - be sure this loads AFTER Realism/SVM)
SWAG: day Raid Max Bot Caps set
[Client Request] /client/items
SWAG: Vanilla spawn systems disabled

[idle quest]

ah yeah I thought maybe they had acquired a test release or something

[drifting ledge]

thanks

[lime fjord]

And yes, I already followed the recommendation given by the console, but it doesn't work

[half oriole]

There does not appear to be one available that's setup for testing yet; still keeping my eye for that as well on their github :>

[idle quest]

Questing Bots and then Algorithmic Level Progression and my life will be complete

SPT 3.9.X kinda 🔥

[half oriole]

still not 100% sold on ALP... even after all my tests with it last version :/ they all seem weird to me; but that's not swag related so not gonna discuss that in here ^^

[drifting ledge]

silly joke:

Nooky making new builds feels like is making the thesis and everytime have a new correction XP

[restive flame]

SPT 3.9.0-3.9.1 ONLY
https://github.com/p-kossa/nookys-swag-presets-spt/releases/download/v3.5.0-SPT390-RC1/SWAG-Donuts-v3.5.0-SPT390-RC6.zip

Please use DanW's AI hostility fix: https://github.com/dwesterwick/SPTAIHostilityFix/releases/tag/1.0.0

Changes from previous build:

• scavs removed from labs (excpet morescavs presets)
• SWAG: TotalBossesPerMap changed from 1 > -1, this means any number bosses can spawn. if you want to limit your boss spawns then change this.

SPT 3.8.x ONLY
https://github.com/p-kossa/nookys-swag-presets-spt/releases/download/v3.5.0-SPT390-RC1/SWAG-Donuts-v3.4.0-SPT38x.zip

[trail rapids]

was literally about to mention this (hostility fix)

[idle quest]

Yo can someone do a PSA for the hostility fix? thats huge

nice work from Dan

and Nooky great work as usual. Been testing Swagnuts a lot today and i gotta say the tweaks to the presets and some of the new config options for donuts are just amazing. Its genuinely almost perfect for me personally

Much more live like. Just the right amount of configurability

its great

Nooky does "TotalBossesPerMap" affect ex usecs on lighthouse?

some of the bot debugging stuff I use labels them as "boss" ai

[severe osprey]

in the waves .jsons, if i have a trigger timer of say 600 and a max triggers before cooldown set to 5, does that mean 1 group will spawn every 10 minutes for 50 minutes (5 triggers) before cooldown, or does it mean after 10 minutes, 5 groups have a chance to spawn, cooldown, and then after cooldown the 10 minute timer starts again?

[pearl narwhal]

I believe the latter

[severe osprey]

yeah i would assume thats the case

so if i wanted a chance for a pmc to spawn every 10 minutes, i would set the wave .json like this and change the cooldown timer to 600 seconds im assuming?

[restive flame]

the former, each trigger is an entire wave

each wave has its own cooldown timer

[severe osprey]

got it, so does the triggerTimer only affect start of raid? or does that stack with the cooldown?

or well i guess it wouldnt really matter if it never goes on cooldown lol, setting the maxTriggersBeforeCooldown to 5 or 6 should do the trick if im understanding correctly

love the new file layout for patterns btw, feels much more intuitive

[drifting ledge]

can know what that fix?

btw any of you is having fps drops with the new 3.9.1?

[idle quest]

im confused by your question 😅

[drifting ledge]

i play one on woods and custom and my fps start to fall a lot, but the bot count was 50 o.o

[drifting ledge]

what does the AI hostilit fix mod do?

[idle quest]

oh, I believe its to address issues where PMCs and SCAVs dont actually fight eachother

something BSG managed to break

[drifting ledge]

BSG broke a lot of stuff this patch

[idle quest]

A classic move 😎👉👉

[fathom shell]

I was going to wait a day to make sure nobody finds issues with it and then post it to the SPT hub so everyone can get to it easily. For now, it's fine to use the build nooky linked in the new S+D release.

[idle quest]

Makes sense, thanks for the mod 🫡

[humble granite]

My raids are alive again, thank you ❤️

[neat rain]

do i need to do anyting to the new swag and donuts?

[SPT.Singleplayer] 1 plugin failed to load due to errors:
Could not load [dvize.Donuts 1.6.0] because it has missing dependencies: com.Arys.UnityToolkit

[zenith sky]

Yeah it now needs Arys Unity Toolkit as a dependency mod.

[neat rain]

so go back to the website and get that mod?

[zenith sky]

https://hub.sp-tarkov.com/files/file/1976-unitytoolkit/

There you go 🙂

[neat rain]

i dont need to do anything with this mod right?

[zenith sky]

Nah, I just added the mod and it works out of the box.

[neat rain]

yup it worked thank you man!

[zenith sky]

No problem, good luck in your raids 🙂

[neat rain]

you as well!

[supple hare]

how can i up the pmc count on each map? i got 7 spawning on woods and 2 on gz, starting pmcs preset selected but theyre all dead within 2 minutes. also does sain overide the difficulty changes done in the gui of donuts?

[celest kelp]

any idea what's up with the crazy respawn of scavs? They spawn literally on me quite often, any settings that could help with it?

[severe osprey]

global min distance to player

think its under the advanced settings in f9 menu

[celest kelp]

alright, i shall try it, thanks!

[frigid island]

Sorry if repeated questions but how do you install the DanW's AI Hostility Fix to the donut ?

[left ridge]

Bepinex\plugins

Drop the dll in there

[frigid island]

tq

[frigid island]

the gituhub file i dl din't have .dll

[left ridge]

Ok

Should be on the GitHub

[frigid island]

is it this or no ?

[left ridge]

This #1231242473255469167 message

[limpid verge]

https://github.com/dwesterwick/SPTAIHostilityFix/releases/tag/1.0.0

[remote wharf]

is UnityToolkit needed for 3.4 version?

[severe osprey]

@restive flame have you tested out the spawn chance at all by chance? just wanted to confirm it works as it should before going into full troubleshoot mode

i haven't removed any mods yet but i tried setting the spawnChance to low numbers to see if they wouldn't spawn on wave ticks but it seems they have a 100% spawn chance each time the timer goes off

[ionic phoenix]

yes

https://github.com/Nympfonic/UnityToolkit/releases/tag/v1.0.1

[severe osprey]

also @fathom shell hope you don't mind me tagging you here (since the AI fix has been discussed in this thread) but are the goons intended to be friendly towards USEC pmcs? I haven't done any thorough testing but I noticed in 1 of my raids the goons were hanging out with a USEC pmc in crack house

[coral lark]

How to refresh Bloodhound

[fathom shell]

That's what BSG intended in their code, but now I'm wondering if that make sense. Probably not.

I do intend for USEC's to be friendly with Rogues though

(initially)

[severe osprey]

yup makes sense, appreciate the answer!

[coral lark]

I don't see a bloodhound option in bossConfig

[severe osprey]

config.json

not the bossConfig

[coral lark]

OK

[restive flame]

It should work as intended, use latest RC build with “All” bepinex logging levels for debug logs if you want to do further testing

[severe osprey]

oh fuck think im still on rc5, lemme update

but yeah with a spawn chance of 10, the bots would spawn with each trigger 100% of the time - confirmed the spawns in logs and in game through botdebug/dynamic maps but this is with my full modlist

trying now with just S+D and dependencies

and the AIFix just bc its damn near mandatory

if the issue persists i'll try it without the AIFix though just to confirm it isn't some weird conflict

[restive flame]

The spawn chance check in the code is pretty simple, if it is failing for whatever reason it should be an easy fix

[supple hare]

the starting pmcs only preset is supposed to spawn scavs how long into raid?

[severe osprey]

noticed in the changes for RC6 it says you changed the TotalBossesPerMap from -1 to 1, but in the zip it still appears to be -1

don't know if that was an oversight or if im just slow

[frigid island]

sorry for the tag still confuse on how to install it

so just copy paste to Bepinex\plugins ? the folder itself ?

[severe osprey]

yeah im definitely just slow lmao

im not dyslexic but im gonna pretend to be

ok so i am using RC6 🤣 must've grabbed it last night and forgot

[restive flame]

Typo, its supposed to be -1 now

[restive flame]

It’s the same as hub but this is a debug build with extra logs fyi

[severe osprey]

dawg i thought i was just going crazy lmao

[severe osprey]

with a spawn chance of 1, and 300 (scav) and 600 (pmc) second trigger timers, it seems as if they are spawning 100% of the time with only S+D and the AIFix (only tested 1 trigger for each, so waited 10 minutes in raid and both spawned at their respective timers)

gonna edit the trigger timers to be 30 (scav) and 60 (pmc) and test with just S+D

probably gonna add dynamic maps in the mix just so i can have a visual debug

just for stupid proofing, so u can see if there's something im doing wrong in testing lmao

yup, bots seem to be spawning every trigger

[restive flame]

Thanks, can I get some logs too please

[severe osprey]

just realized i have my console showing all the info but not logs, can run another session if needed

[idle quest]

There are a few things you could try but there is no simple solution. You could try switching to live-like presets instead of starting PMCs and then simply change the max number of respawns. This would basically be like starting pmcs with an extra wave or two of however many pmcs you specified.

If you want to really figure out a solution you gotta modify the presets which can be done under <SPT>/user/mods/SWAG/config just find the config files for the starting PMCs presets and start tinkering.

[supple hare]

yeah i hate the respawns it just leads me to being shot in the back a lot, i did find the presets file and changed the limits for pmcs up by 3 hopefully it should work 🙂

[vapid plank]

move looting bots towards the bottom, and put fika at the very top

[blissful spindle]

is there a newer version of swagnuts that fixes the players being invisible to eachother on woods?

that is a swag bug right?

[limpid verge]

No, probably a FIKA issue at the moment

[blissful spindle]

oh ok cool. and its only woods?

[limpid verge]

Might have to do with the host spawning slightly later than clients

[idle quest]

hey is version 3.5.0-stable the same as 3.5.0-RC6?

Wanted to double check before I swapped over to the stable release

[severe osprey]

yeah its the same

rc6 just has extra logs for debugging

[idle quest]

thanks 🫡

ill probably keep the beta release then in case I encounter issues

[whole osprey]

is it still the case that we need the unity plugin ?

[severe osprey]

yes

[idle quest]

i assume the unity plugin will be a permanent dependency moving forward

[limpid verge]

Yes, at least that's the way it's coded at the moment

[cerulean trout]

Why were patterns in donuts simplified so much? You can't control spawn chance of each spawn point anymore.

[oblique sonnet]

Is the hostility fix still needed? With the SPT 3.9.1 hotfix and SAIN update this morning I believe it's no longer needed (see #1233871315690328156 message for comment and here for SAIN update: #1233871315690328156 message) but wanted to confirm.

[zenith sky]

From what I read I think you're right. 3.9.1 hotfix plus latest SAIN should mean hostility fix is no longer needed.

[idle quest]

with latest SAIN the hotfix is no longer needed

[severe osprey]

yes you can lol

just requires you to put each zone and specify the chance in the waves.json

[cerulean trout]

I dont think you can. Its made different.

[severe osprey]

i suspect the spawn chance isn't working correctly atm but u most definitely can w the file format

[snow steeple]

just one question... how can i set it up that in scav raids no pmc are spawning? i dont mean the ones that are already in i mean the ones that spawns during the raid

[idle quest]

you would have to modify the "scav raids" preset itself. Im not super knowledgable on specifically how you would do that but I believe its possible in the SWAG configs

<spt>/users/mods/SWAG/config/... something like that

[idle quest]

wait scratch that, you might actually be able to just set the maximum number of pmc respawns to like "1" in your donut config while in game

[severe osprey]

literally just delete everything in the brackets for PMCs in the scav-raids wave.jsons

[idle quest]

since "0" means infinite

[severe osprey]

thats how you get starting pmcs only

[severe osprey]

ooo ya i forgot it had those options now

may be able to achieve it this way

[idle quest]

would be real cool tbh, i like the spawn behavior of live like but being able to say "only spawn x amount durring the raid" makes it feel a bit more live like

the pmc roaming ai just isnt good enough to rely on staring pmcs only

still waiting on Questing Bots 🙃

[severe osprey]

think i have a preset folder thats literally starting pmc only scav raids if u just wanna use that

i used the same in 3.8 but ive been fine tuning some shit for a path to tarkov playthrough on 3.9

[idle quest]

someone should make a thread for sharing swag + donuts custom presets

[severe osprey]

(on a seperate preset)

[idle quest]

that would be neat

[severe osprey]

would be nice, same for sain lol

[idle quest]

oh yes, custom sain presets for the few who have hyperfixed on testing every setting lol

[snow steeple]

nice guys i will look after this

[humble granite]

if anyone remakes the bossmania preset please lmk ❤️

[zenith sky]

boss mania was always broken in 3.8, I'm not sure it'll get remade but we can hope haha.

[humble granite]

I thought I saw something in the spt 3.9.0 changelog about a WIP feature to change scav spawns to bosses (“Added WIP ability to convert all scavs into bosses” I found it it was at the bottom of the added section), but all of this stuff is basically magic to me so I’ll take what I get and be grateful for it lol

[zenith sky]

Haven't seen that so no idea.

[idle quest]

Boss mania was extremely broken but boy was it fun lol

[flat pier]

still spawning like 20-30 seconds separate

[lilac oyster]

@restive flame how do i get the boss percentage to work ive changed santa and the cultist to 100 and they will not spawn

or to anyone else that may be able to help

[jagged jay]

I appreciate it Ekky. Let me know if you want a guinea pig to test it.

[cedar quartz]

@restive flame Just started testing again and I'm getting PMCs spawning at the start over my limits and less scavs than my min limits. This is still on the 3.88.3 latest release*

[cedar quartz]

Changing the SWAG config for bosses and triggered waves to true caused tagilla to respawn after getting killed on factory then the goons spawned in about 5 min after the raid started of that same raid.

[cedar quartz]

Believe I found the issue, realism is not playing well with SWAG Donuts when attempting to use that mod's spawn wave tweaks and boss spawn tweaks. Turning that off seems to have fixed the spawning issue. Continuing to test...

[lilac oyster]

@cedar quartz are you able to get the bosses to spawn? i can only get killa to spawn at 100% on customs no other boss will spawn other than goons and reshala

[cedar quartz]

yeah I was getting them to spawn too much, which is why I had to make changes in realism because I am using a maxed out dev account

[lilac oyster]

would you happen to have any idea what i could do to fix it? ive tried reistalling and deleting all other mods with no success

[cedar quartz]

have you changed any of the boss configs files and have you changed your swag config?

[lilac oyster]

yessir

[cedar quartz]

those are the only two files that control boss spawn chances to my knowledge. Also, you could be using a mod that conflicts so I would recommend making back ups of your user mod/bepinx files and just loading a handful of mods until you rule out that they dont conflict.

The image I have included is an example of what I am talking about.

[lilac oyster]

ill keep trying then ig it was the only mod i had downloaded and still didnt work im not sure what the deal is

[cedar quartz]

which version are you running?

[lilac oyster]

3.9.0

tried removing everything once again and no change

[cedar quartz]

could be a 3.9 issue...im using 3.8.3 still

[lilac oyster]

ahhhh well i reckon ill wait a while until they revise it

thanks anyhow man

[cedar quartz]

I’m not getting PMCs to respawn as well and I see someone else had the same issue while using live like. Let me know what you need from me and I can get it for you. Other than that it’s been working well on my test on factory, customs and woods.

I’ll continue tomorrow testing the remains maps.

[full loom]

If you put spawn chance to 100% ?

[cedar quartz]

Oh I didn’t realize the waves had an associated spawn chance. There are so many levers pull lol.

I will try that tomorrow, thanks for the suggestion!

[cursive escarp]

how do I change boss spawn rates for swag donuts

also how do you activate boss mania?

[restive flame]

thats been removed from the time being because its a little too buggy

[restive flame]

read the mod page, this is done with the swag configs

[cedar quartz]

adjusting the % didnt get PMCs to respawn

[half oriole]

Been trying to figure out the location of all the spawn points that Bloodhounds spawn at in the various maps using the Wiki but I have no idea what those zones are called in the actual game; A couple of them I have references from using other bosses that spawn in the same place (like in Customs; ZoneScavBase) but some I'm not really sure on... Got any info on how I could find all the spawn locations tarkov uses?

[idle quest]

I think the mod page has images of each map with the zones labeled

[cedar quartz]

@nooky here are my log and config files for the three maps I tested today. I was getting inconsistent spawning and no PMC respawning.

[half oriole]

I'm not looking for the color zones that Donuts added for spawn waves; I'm looking for specific location names used for spawning Bosses

[cedar quartz]

here are my settings as well.

[idle quest]

I thought those were the same thing 🤷‍♀️

[restive flame]

You’re using a lot of options that affect respawns, in particular you have 3 max pmc respawns, so you’re saying you’re not getting those 3?

[cedar quartz]

no I'm not, everything else mostly works besides the fact that sometimes I see that the starting limits are nor enforced (happens intermittently). If you believe its just a 3.8.3 issue just let me know and I will move to 3.9.0.

[restive flame]

390 preraid bot loading is vastly superior to 383 and I believe lacy has further improvements planned for Fika in that regard. Since I’m assuming this is in the context of Fika then yes I highly recommend 390

383 preload is much slower and happens later, thus you may get inconsistent spawns

[cedar quartz]

Yes, Im using FIKA for testing. I was leaning to believe it was a 3.8.3 issue because I didnt see people encountering the same things I was as often.

[severe osprey]

also try turning off the questing bots spawning system - its supposed to turn off by default w S+D installed but some people still report issues

can see in ur logs that questing bots is still spawning bots, unless im misunderstanding them

(could just mean its spawning the logic for the bot? not 100%)

would recommend turning off the pmc respawn cap as well just for testing purposes

[jagged jay]

@restive flame Is it your mod which controls how early or late I get into scav raids? I seem to keep joining scav raids recently with only a few minutes remaining

Using the scav raids preset

[restive flame]

No, it’s a base SPT thing

[flat pier]

maybe i had it set up wrong, but with the settings in the files to disable questingbots spawning in 383, the log would still show questingbots spawning them. but they spawned according to my swag/donuts configs, or seemed to

[severe osprey]

believe the custom raid times mod has an option for scav raid time

[severe osprey]

good to know, may just be the case then

[cedar quartz]

seems to be done automatically as it always has.

[severe osprey]

that message doesn't really mean much - folks were seeing that and still had QB spawning bots (mind you, this was on an untested and unreleased dev branch version of QB for 3.9 lmao)

should work for 3.8 pretty well

just seen in ur logs that questing bots said it was spawning bots lol

[cedar quartz]

went ahead and filpped here too just to be sure.

[severe osprey]

but if what hortnon said was true, it may just be referring to bot logic instead of actually spawning bots? who knows (besides DanW prolly)

[flat pier]

is there a "real" test build of questingbots yet for 39? or just the one where the creator said no one should use it, heh

[cerulean trout]

oh we shouldnt use it?

[severe osprey]

still the latter lol

[flat pier]

someone posted this the last time i talked about it, like friday

[severe osprey]

workin pretty damn good for somethin we shouldn't use 🤔

but yeah. do not go and whine to other people ab shit when u have that installed

please

[restive flame]

I think Dan posted a test release since then

[severe osprey]

has he? i don't see any new releases on the git

[restive flame]

#1143038758309085304 message

[flat pier]

just found it

oh mine is old

[severe osprey]

ooooo baby

[flat pier]

i still am not seeing any of the boss spawning issues everyone else seems to and i wish i knew why so i could say how to fix it, heh

just spawned within 50 feet of reshala and his guards haha

[idle quest]

there are two test releases on the github, im running the latest right now as I type this and it seems fine

[restive flame]

FYI the client/host raid delay has been improved, see the latest fika notes #announcements message

[idle quest]

oh i didnt even realize there was a new fika release

thanks Nooky

oh probably cuz it literally just came out lol

[flat pier]

just came out a few min ago

[idle quest]

oopsie 🙃

[fathom shell]

If youre talking about the endpoint for spawning bots, QB just reroutes the bot generation request to adjust the PScav conversion chance. Otherwise it doesnt do anything with it.

[cerulean trout]

could you please bring the old spawn patterns back?

[left ridge]

any tips to make Donuts work better with all open zones?