SWAG + Donuts

[low dagger]

random live-like is best all around, starting-pmc is great for qb compatibility, impossible raids is great for banging out collect kill quests and so on

[vagrant snow]

i see, i tested the crazy presets and omg hahaha

[frozen cave]

the problem whit starting-pmc is that after 30 pmc's are dead and noone gonnaa spam more

30 min whit lucky

[vagrant snow]

the i like pain preset is fun but omg you gonna die xd

[low dagger]

Thats not a problem thats the intended feature to replicate live tarkov, pmcs dont spawn mid raid, if thats a problem for your play style change to another like live-like or impossible

i personally love impossible raids with pmc temrinators sain preset, some tweaks of my own but generally combat every 5 min

[frozen cave]

ya but budd, in a the real tarkov 10 12 pcm gonaa spam in ur raid, but ur server gonna create like 6 - 7

[low dagger]

then open you scenario config and adjust, swag is built off the ability to customize it in the config

[frozen cave]

yap but at the end, they are bots, gonna die easy vs scav so gonaa hard cross whit their

its my opinion

[low dagger]

ya lost me gg

[frozen cave]

i was trying scenarios and live like is the better faraway

[frozen cave]

sorry for my poor english

[vagrant snow]

i have svm installed and over 3000 custom pmc names on it, should i have to disable that??

[low dagger]

dont apologize! i just got lost and didnt wanna answer wrong 🙂

[low dagger]

i use a list of all the cheaters bsg banned and have like a thousand so i think ur good

lets keep it swag related tho ill be in general or questions

[frozen cave]

in my case, whit my trying, put despawn on scav eneable whit hardcap, boost and hotspot too. and all pmc options dissable, feel so fk alive raid. on that way, when a pmc die, another gonna be create whit scav wars as online

others config feel like a dead zones

[vagrant snow]

i mean literally it says i have to disable bot sections in svm for compatibility with swag and donuts, if i disable pmc ai, my custom names are gone i think

[cosmic echo]

What’s your bot cap mind?

You use live like?

[low dagger]

wow my apologies i just checked and noticed i have that whole setting off as well! i would follow what is recommended

i use impossible cap at 22 with donuts controlling 16 scav and pmc and the rest left for swag

boss* have a 90% chance on my sever so i left head room

60-90 fps with drops to 50 after an hour in raid

marksmen are 90% as well

[frozen cave]

lool

sound good, imposible for my pc

[low dagger]

smaller counts with higher despawn parameters could help, but im unfamilar in trying that out

[restive flame]

Just wanted to say thanks to all who have been helping others with the mod, I know it’s complicated

[frozen cave]

stay focus

in major case this is an comunity project

whit bigs brains like u

[buoyant bison]

Community here is super solid I appreciate you all. Modders people that fix older mods and anyone that has helped others get this all working you all rock !

[frozen cave]

like religion we have something in common

[heady tartan]

Now I can just link to the Fika Performance.md in announcements

[low dagger]

we appreciate you g thanks for all the help youve thrown our way only right to share

[amber hemlock]

I can't understand one thing. If host dies, bots still spawn near his location where he died? Does swagnuts takes into account whether the player died?

[upper elm]

@restive flame I'm getting a lot of [Debug :DonutComponent] No valid spawn position found - skipping this spawn and it feels like not much is spawning. Big difference from 3.3.4

And ideas why it doesnt find any positions?

[restive flame]

It’s failing spawn checks, check the methods in the spawnchecks.cs

more often than not it’s because of distances to player

[amber hemlock]

@restive flame If player dies, do bots still spawn near his location where he died? Does swagnuts takes into account whether the player died when choosing where to spawn bots next?
Sorry for pinging, I can't find any info about that.

[restive flame]

Another thing I’m going to add more debug logs around this

[restive flame]

no, only checks alive players

[upper elm]

This guy is back xD

[misty needle]

If I add bosses to other maps do I need to set a spawn location for them to actually spawn there?

[restive flame]

with swag? no, if you leave it null then SWAG picks a random zone

[misty needle]

Yeah with swag donuts. Essentially I want all bosses to spawn on their maps with a slight chance of them spawning on others. I was just curious as I did a reserve raid earlier and glukhar spawned but boss notifier said that killa spawned at idea.

[upper elm]

On the note of more bosses with swag. Is 1% the lowest you can go?

[azure needle]

Is that in Percent, if i write 5, it means 5%?

? What is this, can someone please explain

why -1

[low yoke]

does anyone have the zip? cant find it

[low dagger]

-1 means spawn on start of raid

[azure needle]

ah

thx

[low dagger]

https://hub.sp-tarkov.com/files/file/878-swag-donuts-dynamic-spawn-waves-and-custom-spawn-points/

[low yoke]

so everything related to this has to be downloaded by everyone on the server for it to work?

[earnest mesa]

This makes the game use more cores than default?

[low yoke]

i have it installed client side, but how do i make it load onto server

[civic crown]

Just drop the bepinex and user folders into your root spt folder and it will all end up in the right directories

[low yoke]

and itll work the same for everyone with it downloaded?

[civic crown]

Yes as long as clients disable donuts and clients and host have identical bepinex folders

Best practices to avoid bot desync between host and clients

[minor mist]

is SWAG updated for 3.8.1?

[spark marsh]

@minor mist The latest version for 3.8.0 works on 3.8.1

3.3.5

[junior fiber]

Im assuming the latest waypoints?

[amber blaze]

Is there any difference between this version and the one on the SPT Hub?

[civic crown]

No fika uses the dame mods as spt

[amber blaze]

Gotcha thank you!

[sick mesa]

when configing scenarios does it count bosses/other ai like raiders,rogues and cultists for the scav limit

or is it just scavs/pscavs

[civic crown]

Swag handles everything that is not a pmc or scav. Donuts is pmc scav spawns only. So leave between 6 to 8 extra slots on swag bot caps depending if a map has raiders, rouges and bosses, sniper scavs ect.

[idle bronze]

does adding extra time to the raid conflict with swag/donuts in any way? been noticing unusual activity with ~30 minutes extra raid time compared to vanilla

id have to assume some of the mod's logic spawns pmcs/scavs in relation to the "phase" of the raid

[marsh jetty]

No it's designed to go indefinitely

[lament pendant]

It definitely goes as long as you are in, we have 2 hr raid timers set and there are always "friends" around.

[copper barn]

Not for me i guess i get an ''error'' it says that the version is not compatible ''no support''

[spark marsh]

That is because the package.json in the SWAG folder is set only for version 3.8.0. You can just change that to 3.8.1 and it won’t show the error anymore. It’ll still work regardless.

It’s just a warning

The mod will still work

[copper barn]

😂 okey good to know

thank you

[copper barn]

also at the end ''swag detected... bot spawn disabled'' i can ignore that ?

[spark marsh]

Correct, that is questing bots detecting SWAG so it disables its own spawning.

Bots will still get quests though

[copper barn]

aight thx !

[dawn thicket]

anyone familiar with this type of issue?
I have been using ServerValueModifier to increase the amount of bots per raid. However after 1 or 2 hours in a raid, becasuse of the increase in activity i have a severe drop in performance. Starting the raid ill have 120 fps, at the end of the raid with 50+ bots active and fighting i can dip to 30 or less frames. Obviously this is a somewhat bad experience late raid. I was suggested to incorporate SWAG + Donuts to improve performance on my end, by minimizing the activity in the raid that i do not need. It seems no matter what i do as far as configuration, SWAG + donuts causes no spawns whatsoever, besides raider/bosses. Now i have empty raid consistently (besides bosses/raiders). What am i missing here?

I have tried uninstalling SWAG + Donuts, then I get the expected raids I want (a lot of activity), but my performance dips after too many bots are spawning and getting active. Are SVM and SWAG/Donuts incompatible? On SVM i have the 'bots disabled' as recommended to not cause any isssues. Should i stop using SWAG+Donuts and take a different mod approach like AI limiter? I would like to keep SVM as having flea on lvl 1 is nice, among other things

[idle heart]

its the mod working on 3.8.1?

[spark marsh]

@idle heart Yes

[restive flame]

@dawn thicket what’s your full mod list?

[dawn thicket]

Thanks for the response. I think my issue was misuse and misunderstanding how Swagnuts work. I believe this functionality was caused by enabling global minimum spawn distance and having ranges so small nothing would spawn unless i ran into that zone (i was playing on reserve on default 50m value). I am still trying to dial in on using the mod correctly to get enough spawns near me without causing significant performance drop.

I belive all the mods i have isntalled are (in no particular order):
ServerValue Modifer
Swag + Donuts
Waypoints
Big Brain
AmandsGrapgics
SAIN
MPT

I dont think i understand best use and the good use cases for swagnuts yet. I finally got some good action by doing the following:

1. Raid Preset Selection for PMC/Scavs - edited json files to bump numbers from default to 10/15+
   - for some reason all the default presets have the same value conigs (quiet raids same values as crazy raids, maybe a mistake?)
2. Enabled the suggested: Depawn SCAVs, Bot hard Cap Options, Hot Spot Spawn Boost, Hot Spot ignore hard cap
3. At the start of the raid Global minimum spawn distance from player and other bots disabled.
   - If I understand correctly, this makes unrestricts spawns, making a shit ton of bots spawn. When too many bots spawn and my performance tanks, I enable these options. Performance comes back relatively quickly as scav bots far away seems to despawn. If i am understanding this correctly it seems I can enable/disable Global Mimimum Spawn Distance mid-raid to help supplement a lack of bots, or to remove excess bots when my performance is tanking. @restive flame

[spark marsh]

Use this as a good starting point: #1237037582378991677 message

[dawn thicket]

Thank you!

[spark marsh]

No problem, I followed that and mine works great. If you don't like it, you can always tweak it a bit afterwards.

[spark marsh]

Are you still on SPT 3.8.0?

If you are, in order to follow that guide you need to install the new Fika version. Follow this guide to do that: https://discord.com/channels/1202292159366037545/1236399227316469822

You will need to remove everything related to MPT.

[dawn thicket]

I am on SPT 3.8.0 - some frienda and i have a wipe on 3.8.0 we are doing

[spark marsh]

Ok ya just follow what I said above and you should be on the latest Fika version for 3.8.0

[spark marsh]

You should actually just be able to use the first link I sent above, I removed the other link because I’m sure the 3.8.1 version works on 3.8.0 as well.

This is the post detailing what you need to remove to update to Fika: #announcements message

[earnest mesa]

I apologize if it’s been stated somewhere already, but how does Questing Bots mechanics and spawn allocation work into this? Or is it just making it so that all AI (outside of I I imagine raiders rogues and bosses) have objectives to move them around the map

I saw the performance reccomendations on the interaction between swagnuts and mpt but wasnt sure where qb fits in to that equation

[civic crown]

Qb spawns automatically are disabled if swagnuts is installed.

Then yes the AI will move to questing areas, apparently they can even unlock doors...

[earnest mesa]

Is that true even if I’m not seeing the yellow console message saying they disabled?

[civic crown]

No

[earnest mesa]

I saw it at one point but now I see a message that says something about advanced config will ignore vanilla eft etc etc

[civic crown]

The server will specifically say when swagnuts is detected and qb spawns are disabled

I think QB needs to be installed after swag

[earnest mesa]

I can send a picture in a minute, I have no idea what made it dissapear

I don’t think load order affects it, right?

It does the check after the initial load I think

Also I guess I might as well upgrade everything to SPT 3.8.1 if it won’t brick everything

[sand vessel]

Is swag working on 3.8.1? has anyone tried?

[livid hazel]

Just a suggestion. If the NexusMods site is updated to show 3.8.1, it might help the devs having to constantly answer the same questions.

[spark marsh]

Scroll up a bit

[earnest mesa]

@civic crown

[spark marsh]

Questing bots needs to load after SWAG like capt said

You can also manually go into the questing bots config and disable the bot spawning

[earnest mesa]

Gotcha. I'll try it out

[civic crown]

Get the load order editor mod from spt to set load order. I can post a pic of my order when i am not afk

[spark marsh]

Ya that or if you don't have the load order, just put a 'z' at the beginning of the Questing Bots folder name

[earnest mesa]

Stupid question here: do I need to nuke the old MPT files to move to the new release of Fika or will it play nice with the whole drag and drop stuff

[spark marsh]

No you need to nuke it

[earnest mesa]

the folders changed names so

gotcha

[spark marsh]

#announcements message

[earnest mesa]

thanks, still having issue navigating around all the channels and forums haha

still not seeing swag message hmmm

[civic crown]

that should do the trick, verify the order by looking in the order.json file. I would get the load editor mod....here is my load order

[earnest mesa]

@civic crown can you send a SS of your order.json file so I can see formatting?

mine is empty

[civic crown]

Install this

https://hub.sp-tarkov.com/files/file/1082-loe-load-order-editor/

[earnest mesa]

Still isn't pulling up Swag message

Very odd

Maybe I just need to redownload swag

[earnest mesa]

I just went into the configs for QB and disabled its spawn mechanics - fixed all the crazy spawn volumes lol

[crystal carbon]

Is anyone having any issues with bosses not spawing regardless of the respawn chance?

[earnest fable]

heard it works for 3.8.1, why isn't it working for me ?

[vagrant snow]

what version you downloaded

[earnest fable]

last version, 3.3.5

[abstract beacon]

how do you pick the scenarios for raids?

[restive flame]

not seeing this as an issue, have you confirmed bosses are not spawning with a botmonitor?

[restive flame]

not sure, is anyone else seeing this?

[restive flame]

f12 menu, raid scenario selector

[abstract beacon]

all it says is random scenario

the description just says it shows you what scenario it is at the bottom right

[restive flame]

can you screenshot your donuts settings please

[abstract beacon]

one sec

@restive flame

[restive flame]

something with your configs is fucked up

re-install

[abstract beacon]

fuck

[restive flame]

usually if donuts doesn't show the option to select a preset, one of the donuts config files are messed up

[abstract beacon]

@restive flame thanks for the help I just thought i was insane and there was no way to pick it

[onyx hound]

"Mod nooky and props-SWAG + DONUTS is not compatible with the current version of AKI. You may encounter issues - no support will be provided!"

ive ignored this message as everything seems fine at the moment but should i be worried? some of the other mods throw the same error but they are working atm(tm) i just presume that they can break at anytime?

[earnest fable]

I get this message too but none of the mods even load

[onyx hound]

Perchance are you on fresh install? And did you run server at least once before trying to install mods?

My suggestion is to either remove all mods, add them back in 1 by 1. After putting each mod in, start server to see if it loads. I did that when i was first trying out, solved a few of my problems

Not sure if load order editor will help you in this case, its far out of my expertise

[restive flame]

test build for 3.8.1, not quite ready yet but will at least get past the version errors https://github.com/p-kossa/nookys-swag-presets-spt/releases/download/v3.3.5/swag-donuts-336-super-sekrit-alpha.zip

some new stuff, preset changes included ^^

[onyx hound]

Chad

[restive flame]

- starting-pmcs-only-split-waves
Similar to the other starting-pmcs-only presets, this preset breaks up the starting PMCs in a limited number of waves (up to a certain amount) and may spawn in different areas. This preset has been added to the "Starting PMCs Only (Random)" preset pool.

- live-like-performance
Tuned for performance, this preset keeps spawn point trigger distances much tighter so that they don't trigger as often, has lower PMC and SCAV bot caps and is generally balanced to keep action close to you while also keeping bot counts low. 

All default preset PMC and SCAVs decreased (ScenarioConfig.json)
All presets (except live-like-performance) for both PMC and SCAV:
Factory: 5
Interchange: 7
Labs: 6
Lighthouse: 7
Reserve: 7
Shoreline: 7
Woods: 8
Customs: 7
Streets: 7
Ground Zero: 6

OTHER CHANGES
- hotspot points re-balanced so that they're not so aggressive by default
- live-like PMCs re-balanced
- quietraids should be quieter
- refactored code to optimize performance
- added new debug logging around SpawnChecks

# SWAG
- All boss spawn times changed from -1 to 1. 
This means instead of boss spawns will no longer ignore the SWAG max bot cap which helps keep bot count under control.

- TotalBossesPerMap defaults changed from -1 to 1.
This means by default SWAG will only spawn up to 1 boss per raid, per map. Previously SWAG could spawn up to any number of bosses. This change is mostly for performance.

- SWAG max bot caps decreased
Factory: 5
Interchange: 8
Labs: 7
Lighthouse: 8
Reserve: 8
Shoreline: 8
Woods: 8
Customs: 8
Streets: 8
Ground Zero: 7

- fixed vanilla spawn bug on Ground Zero (thank you Chomp)
- Punisher and Legion custom boss compatibility fixes (thank you GrooveypenguinX)```

dl and install: #1231242473255469167 message

donuts is still 1.4.4, I'm working on it currently

donuts 1.4.5 will be part of the next release when its ready

[onyx hound]

Total boss per maps can be changed back to the previous value ourselves right

[earnest fable]

thank you so much man

[restive flame]

yeah ofc

[onyx hound]

Cool, will try it out thanks boss

can confirm got past the error messages xd

[vague badge]

Guys please share a config for donuts to have enough scavs to do quests, dynamic firefights with scavs and good fps. i can not find the golden mean unfortunately

[civic crown]

Try this and set whatever preset you want to use to 6 pmcs and 12 scavs in scenario config for donuts. Should be plenty of scavs around

[vague badge]

ok thanks

[civic crown]

If your fps is still low ypu can lower the PMC count, tik on pmc despawns, and lower scav count.

[north sigil]

is it possible to add boss-mania to the "I like pain" random preset at a low weighting?

wait i can just edit it myself

HM

[heavy remnant]

Hello, what happens if you have SAIN and Donuts enabled at the same time? Which one will control the bot difficulty?

[neat cobalt]

how do i make another mod's spawnrate config get prioritized over the SWAG one

because a boss I have from the RogueJustice mod refuses to spawn with swag because swag insists to use their config instead of the one for the mod specifically

and it says it has a spawn chance increase per successfull raid mechanic where in SWAG it will not load the game unless you write true on this mechanic in the JSON and if it is true it wont spawn the boss

[civic crown]

sain

[heavy remnant]

Thanks

[restive flame]

@neat cobalt are you using the test build I posted earlier?

[neat cobalt]

no i dont think so where do i see this?

i am currently using 3.8.0 tho bcs it has more available mods

[restive flame]

Try this please https://github.com/p-kossa/nookys-swag-presets-spt/releases/download/v3.3.5/swag-donuts-336-super-sekrit-alpha.zip

[neat cobalt]

what is different

[restive flame]

#1231242473255469167 message

[earnest mesa]

Anybody know why I might not be seeing any PMCs on Factory? Every other map's been working great so far and seems to match up with the different caps and stuff, just not Fac

Seeing these messages in the log maybe? "[Debug :DonutComponent] Spawn not allowed due to raid time conditions - skipping this spawn"

[neat cobalt]

it works nice, ty

the boss doesnt have a head tho for some reason lmao but that is not bcs of other mods

[civic crown]

If you are using my preset you need to disable the pmc hard stop time for factory donut setting

[earnest mesa]

Ohhhh the 1300 seconds

[civic crown]

Sorry i forgot to mention that earlier

[earnest mesa]

Hah, didn't realize thats longer than factory's raid limit

No you're good man im a numpty

[civic crown]

I should have mentioned it

[earnest mesa]

Can you force it by map?

Or should I just make it just below 20min

[civic crown]

Is factory 15 or 20 mins raid time?

[earnest mesa]

20

Ill just make it 18min

Won't even notice on other maps

[civic crown]

Nah i should probably update it

[earnest mesa]

We've been using staring pmcs preset, which I imagine doesnt even respawn them?

[civic crown]

In have never run that but i think that is how it works

[earnest mesa]

Finally getting a hang of all the damn caps across the 3 mods haha

Managed to get bosses to show up too, wasn't leavingn enough cap for their spawns

[civic crown]

Yeah gotta set swag bot caps as well as donuts...this is a complex project

[earnest mesa]

Had me tearing my hair out last night after work when all my homies were begging lmao

The move to 3.8.1 and new Fika fucked us too until I found out force IP was needed

But its worth it

[civic crown]

Yeah once you learn the configs and get it set up its pretty fuckin cool.

[frozen cave]

@restive flame HEY BUD this new version run SWEEEEEEEEAT. Like 20 fps more per raid, there is less war that is

thz genius

pray for u

[flat flicker]

Hey out of curiosity, is it just that you hear less distant war but the raid is still eventful for you?

[frozen cave]

yeah some like that, buit have to test, only have played one raid. so tomorrow will say u

depend how u config ur donnuts

[flat flicker]

unfortunately the max caps arent in the f12 menu and i wish they were

[frozen cave]

u need understand how this run, and configurate for u style or ur needs

[flat flicker]

yah, i spent a bunch of time yesterday setting it up but found myself playing it too safe and not reducing the caps enough (they were still a significant reduction from what the performance.md said technically, but i still got super eventful raids)

[frozen cave]

then u can up the cooldown timer

but, what do u extaly need ? less war arround u ?

[frozen cave]

less events, more calm ?

[flat flicker]

well, the same amount of gameplay activity but better performance

im gonna try out the new performance preset

[frozen cave]

for better perf. less bots, or some perfomance config.

I couldnt play before use process lasso

[tardy sedge]

Hello together. How can i make my own preset of ammount of pmc and scavs

[surreal anvil]

@surreal anvil

[dapper ore]

What should I do in process lasso? Disable virtual cores and high affinity?

[frozen cave]

thats dont work for me, but process lasso is a ram cleaner, adding stability on my raids better than ISCL

and in CPU SET, I checked all the cores less Core0

I recomend u read this https://discord.com/channels/875684761291599922/1163777314862149683

is the SPT discord, in the pinned messages section, up right

whats Pc do u have?

CPU mean

and in my case, playing on borderless give like 10 15 fps extra than Fullscreen, I checked in the hideout looking the wall whit the mod FPSunlock to 360 fps, make test whit diferents configs

[dapper ore]

13600K

But I am going to get a 7800X3D soon

[frozen cave]

lol, U should run fukng good, I ve got an i77700k oc at 4.9

[upper elm]

Check out https://github.com/DeadLeavez/MISC/blob/main/Performance.md

if you havent already

[lilac reef]

heyo, any known memory leaks in dounts? i have default FIKA, SAIN(+ dependencies) and looting bots for mods that interact with AI

ah and BotDebug

tag me in case you would like logs

[restive flame]

Not that I’m aware of

[lilac reef]

well i saw a lot of donut related errors

but what usually happens is that it is due to BSG code(at least previous memory leaks were)

[outer gate]

I’m not sure if this is the correct place to ask this (I apologize if it isnt) but regarding Donuts’ operation when in a multi-person raid (me and a friend). Does one person’s Donut settings control the raid?

[lilac reef]

the one that is hosting the raid controls it i believe

[civic crown]

Clients should disable donuts

[lilac reef]

ah i see

will test it out later

[lilac reef]

just disable from the F12 menu or delete the mod overall

[civic crown]

F12

[lilac reef]

interesting, he disabled it(just turned off the first check in donut) and im still getting the leak

[brazen pelican]

how does one change cultist spawn rates in swag?

[amber blaze]

Is there any test build for 3.8.0?

[dense blaze]

bro I don't get these settings AT ALL. I all want is for PMCs spawn in groups more frequent and presetted settings does not fit me

[heady tartan]

user/mods/SWAG

The one that isn't bossconfig

[brazen pelican]

just config?

[heady tartan]

yep

make sure you use notepad++ for editing .json files

[brazen pelican]

ty

[civic crown]

just select "high" and call it good, 0% 0/500 chance of a solo PMC, 175/500 odds 3 man, 175/500 odds of a 4 man, 75/500 odds of a duo or 5 stack.

not sure why the total value is not just 100 rather than 500 but its all just %

[restive flame]

Then change them, that’s why I made them configurable. Read the mod page

[restive flame]

These might be specific to fika, I’ll have to look another time

[rich oasis]

is swag donuts working on 3 8 1?

[lilac reef]

gotcha, thanks for your work!

[spark marsh]

Hey @restive flame , does Donuts still spawn bots around other coop players if the host dies? Or is everything tied to the host?

[restive flame]

I don’t know, sorry, I don’t test on fika myself

[spark marsh]

No problem at all, just wanted to check before I try and make a patch for myself! Just need to modify SpawnCheck by the looks of things.

[civic crown]

I usually fly around in free cam near the clients when i get killed 1st. Not sure if that helps or makes any difference at all

[spark marsh]

I don't believe it does because it is looking at the host's position which is detached from the free cam.

[civic crown]

Makes sense

[low yoke]

swag doesnt work with sain?

[civic crown]

it absolutely does

[low yoke]

for some reason both arent showing in the f12 menu and no bots spawning

[civic crown]

sounds like you did not install correctly

[low yoke]

all in the same locations before update

[civic crown]

always do a clean install for an update...

[low yoke]

i did, all added back after

with new swag and donuts

[civic crown]

did you look in your plugins folder to verify files are there?

[low yoke]

yes

could it be a load order?

[civic crown]

same with server side?

could be

i would think they still show in F12....but not sure

[potent ravine]

It's def not installed correctly

[amber hemlock]

I can say that camera position doesn't matter. We kill host at the beginning and its camera stays at the edge of the map for better fps. Bots spawn near us during the raid, so it's fine.

[spark marsh]

I was playing a raid last night and I died and we were playing on shoreline. No more bot spawning occurred for the rest of the raid. All the bots that were alive remained where they were. Are you using a BotDebug tool to confirm what you are saying?

I can also tell in the source files for Donuts that it is not accounting for other coop players when spawning which I’m going to look at patching for myself today.

[amber hemlock]

BotDebug doesn't work for me when there more than 1 players, but I see bots with QB bot debug info and I see how they are spawning. We did a test where host dies and another player teleports to the farthest side of map and bots spawned near him and continued to spawn.
But, I'm on previous version of swagnuts, not last alpha

[spark marsh]

I stand corrected, it does look like it takes all players into account. My setup is currently the same as the one posted in here: https://github.com/DeadLeavez/MISC/blob/main/Performance.md.

I think Fika may not be taking into account other players when doing its own despawning. Time to dig deeper!

[amber hemlock]

I enabled despawn only in donuts and only for scav. I haven't tried Fika despawn tho

[spark marsh]

@upper elm maybe you can help with this. I have the same setup as explained in the Performance Readme you made, but last night after I died as the host, it seemed like the Fika despawning was not working for my friend. Is it safe to just use the SWAG+Donuts despawning, I thought I remembered it may cause desync in visible bots between players.

[heady elm]

How to Make 1 Specific Spawn Point in donuts to spawn only 1 bot then turn off for the rest of the match? Im add custom boss spawn but the hardstop timer wont work on them.

I dont want to use first time spawn and then add a big timer trigger so that it wont spawn, because i want it to spawn at a specific time of the raid too.

[restive flame]

If you want a specific time like that then use swag for it

[heady elm]

but swag use old zone

[restive flame]

Otherwise you’ll have to set it up like the starting pmc points, but you can make it a short distance so it doesn’t trigger unless you’re close

[heady elm]

well to be honest, im trying to make a video using freecam, its gonna hard if its require me to move the player charcter

cruz i need timing

[restive flame]

Setup a timer for it anyway then

Make it whatever specific time you want, the timer will keep ticking but if you’re just recording then it doesn’t matter

[rough yarrow]

so I know the page says 3.8.0 only, so this may be a stupid question, but does this work with 3.8.1? only asking because I think 3.8.1 released after the newest version of this was posted

[surreal anvil]

I'm on 3.8.1 and it seems to be working!

[restive flame]

Should be fine

Props and I are working on donuts changes for the next release

[wooden vigil]

hey guys - I just spectated a raid on this setting on and no new scavs are spawning at all - The AI PMC's killed 5 scavs and left 2 on the map and I spectated for 20mins on reserve and nothing new spawned - I have attached my DONUT settings to post

[heady tartan]

Are you the host?

Not confirmed (yet), but it seems Donuts will only spawn bots based on the host's position

If the host extracts, bots spawn based on their last position (the headless body you will see still present in raid, at extract)

If host dies, it seems to stop spawning bots altogether

Again, not confirmed, but this seems to be the case

Also, you may want to update QB to the most recent test build

[tardy sedge]

How can i make my own preset? I mean the number of pmc in raid

[heady tartan]

BepInEx/plugins/donuts/ScenarioConfig.json

This will allow you to raise the bot limits for PMCs and Scavs

[tardy sedge]

Ty

[wooden vigil]

Yes I found this and raised it to 40 scavs on reserve. Still no change

[wooden vigil]

Yes I'm the host. That could be why then. I changed bot limit to 40 for testing. As soon as I got to raid killed myself to see if it changed but it didnt

[tardy sedge]

Does anyone also know good mods for additional quests?

[still swan]

It does

Unless I misunderstood the current code

[hexed whale]

Anyobody having an issue with clinets not having PMCs spawning? I nromally host for my freind, but when he plays solo he gets no PMCs.

[heady tartan]

If he is playing solo (hosting his own raid) it takes into account his setup for Donuts. If he normally has it disabled when you host, he will need to enable it to get PMC/Scav spawns

[hexed whale]

We did try it with DOnuts on! I will go through his settings to see what is up.

[amber hemlock]

If host dies bots still spawn near other player locations. we are playing for several days now and haven't noticed much problems with it. I run 2 clients, 1 for hosting bots and 2nd for playing and we kill the host right at the beginning and it's fine.

[heady tartan]

Are you guys on the latest, playing on Fika for 3.8.1?

It seems that this issue has only appeared after updating to 3.8.1, might be related to newly implemented Fika despawn system

Needs more testing/reporting

[wooden vigil]

One more question. This is general to whole of SPT. can I be a scav if I have 5 friends as PMCs? Just as long as I chose same map and raid time

[heady tartan]

Each raid is a seperated instance, so you would have to host your own instance for the scav run

Even if it's the same map/time

[wooden vigil]

So it's not possible then?

[heady tartan]

not possible is strong phrasing. I don't know if it's possible, but at the moment it would just put you in your own hosted raid and probably mess things up with the server

It is not recommended to have more than one raid going at a time

[wooden vigil]

Ok thanks for your help. Would be a cool feature to have. Everyone joins lobby and you assign teams

[heady tartan]

Nah, will never happen. PVP is a no-go for this project

[wooden vigil]

The bots are amazing but would be nice to have 1 or 2 of my mates as scavs (at least I know they don't hack) a little human PvP

No drama. Keep up the good wor

Work

[amber hemlock]

I'm on latest fika for 3.8.1, latest sain and QB, not latest alpha of donuts tho

[outer gate]

hmm anytime i open the console (tilde key) ... i get this error message printed each time. Any idea what it is?

[spark marsh]

You are right, it is taking other players into account after looking at the code. For some reason it wasn't despawning bots for my buddy that was still alive though, so not sure what is going wrong.

May build a debug build to get some logs printing out

[wooden vigil]

If i set max bots to 9 in the .jsn file - is that 9 total allowed on map at once or once 9 is dead no more spawn?

[restive flame]

total allowed

[wooden vigil]

gotcha thx 🙂

my mates are gonna get a nice suprise when random raid with more scavs turns into a warzone - ive upped the value to 14 lol

RIP my fps

[lament pendant]

I had them set high and it was rough, bots seem to REALLY like chasing gunfights

[slender axle]

Does this require waypoints ?

[wooden vigil]

Just to follow on from this me and my mates did some testing. I was alive and they were all dead. Pmc starting more scavs on customs. I edited Jsn file so it was set to 40 max scav bots. I cleared most the map and nothing new spawned for 25 mins. Any ideas guys? The raids seem dead

[night matrix]

is the download the one at the start of this forum?

for 3.8.0?

[wooden vigil]

Yes

[restive flame]

The hub version is the latest use that please

[wooden vigil]

Can I use 3.8.1 mods with 3.8?

New to all this

[restive flame]

depends on the mod

usually minor version updates don't update the client so most mods are ok

[restive flame]

yes, please read the mod page

[prisma spindle]

No 3.8.1 v out yet, right?

[restive flame]

have you changed any configs?

[restive flame]

current hub version is fine but i'm working on the next update already

[prisma spindle]

Oh thank you. You're a hero!

[outer gate]

Server configs were changed but only preset/scav preset selection were changed on my client that is popping the error

[restive flame]

WriteToJsonFile is usually when you save points, did this happen when you hit a key bind? '-' perhaps?

[outer gate]

yeah... the error is printed whenever i open the Console... i remapped Console from Tilde to 'num -'

[dull dragon]

just something ive experienced, habe minimum spawn distance from player on and i had boss on ground zero spawn on top of me 15 seconds after loading in. i know its beta test but just letting it be known

[restive flame]

yeah that’s normal base game behavior, bosses are spawned by swag, min distance only applies to donuts spawns, so pmcs and scavs

[dull dragon]

ah word thanks for quick response, everything working as exptected then for me so fart

[prisma spindle]

Hi, does this work with 3.8.1?

[jagged sphinx]

anyone know how to make the bots spawn less? theres a ton of em that spawn in, little annoying to deal with lol.

[civic crown]

Try the "starting pmc only" preset

[jagged sphinx]

does that spawn less? or worse gear pmcs

[civic crown]

Less

[craggy bluff]

It is possible to import the new performance preset to the 3.80 SPT version

[void girder]

newbie question i got super sekrit alpha seemingly running but there are no settings in f12 for the mod

[jagged sphinx]

precciate it

[minor path]

is there a way to see what all the presets do?

these ones

[blissful plover]

https://hub.sp-tarkov.com/files/file/878-swag-donuts-dynamic-spawn-waves-and-custom-spawn-points/#tab_03b3191a82e0b940fafe9a9e8976b75bc6f7fc86 -> Check "DONUTS" tab, and click on "Donuts - Presets explained"

[hot harness]

I am on the latest SPT, latest Fika, Latest Realism, and latest Swag. For some reason I can't get any bosses to spawn, even if I edit the boss config in swag. I have realism boss spawn tweaks disabled.

Has anyone else run into this issue?

[normal pike]

Isn't Realism not compatible with 3.8.1 yet?

[upper elm]

I think there is an early access version or something

[hot harness]

Indeed they do, maybe that is the issue?

I do get this, \singleplayer\settings\bot\limit\bossKnight
but he doesn't actually show up, maybe the limit thing is making him not spawn?

[hot dome]

Just clarifying but the 3.8.0 version wont work with the current Fika client version 3.8.1 correct?

[novel star]

I still dont have the legion spawning with this,

[runic briar]

Anyone can shed some insights on the below, i'm finding my raids too quiet. (Taking customs as an example)
"Name": "starting-pmcs-only-morescavs",
"PMCBotLimitPresets": {
"CustomsBotLimit": 12,

"SCAVBotLimitPresets": {
  "CustomsBotLimit": 12,

"MaxBotCap": {
"customs": 24,

Questing bots mod: enable AI Limiting ENABLED
Enable AI limiting for bots that are questing: ENABLED

DONUTS:
despawn pmcs ON
despawn scavs ON
bot hard cap option ENABLED
pmc HOT SPOT SPAWN BOOST ENABLED
SCAV hot spot spawn boost ENABLED
PMC hot spot ignore hard cap: ENABLED
SCAV HOT spot ignore hard cap: ENABLED
global min. spawn distance: 40

FIKA mod
Dynamic AI DISABLED
Enforced Spawn limits: ENABLED
Despawn minimum distance: ENABLED

Am I overlooking something here or just being stupid?

[buoyant lily]

I have an issue of killing a boss then having him respawn in the same raid, where could i find a setting to change this?

[rose moon]

same issue bud

add questing bots, goes more quiet

[rose moon]

imo you shouldn't have despawn pmcs and depsawn scavs in donuts

[civic crown]

What is the bot cap in swag? I would leave de spawn on for more action

[rose moon]

despawn in donuts?

was told to turn those off i thought

[runic briar]

there's also a despawn option in fika

[rose moon]

left that one on

i did read all the performance links, however unsure on donuts/questingbots settings

[civic crown]

The performance info will probably make for less bots
I don't use those so cant comment on how they .might interact with my swagnuts settings. Bot despawn in swag will 100% make more action near a player

[rose moon]

thanks for that nasty!

[rose moon]

it's mainly, shit ton of bots, then once questing bots gets added, it's alot more quiet

i'll make those donut changes

[civic crown]

It wont make a huge difference but it will help

Also make sure questing bots spawns are off, when u launch server you should get a messge saying swag detected qb spawns disabled

[runic briar]

should we disable fika bot despawn when enabling bot despawn in swag?

[civic crown]

I have not messed with any fika spawn settings. Would be good to confirm though

[rose moon]

gonna be testing that here shortly

[potent ravine]

from what I know donut despawn is wonky in fika, which is why the performance guide recommends using fika's despawning

[spark marsh]

Ya the only thing I noticed with the Fika despawning was that it was not working for clients after the host died.

[potent ravine]

That sounds like a bug

[spark marsh]

Ya I built a Debug version of Fika, so I am going to test and watch the logs the next time my friends are able to play.

[runic relic]

anyone else's shturman not spawning?

all other bosses spawn but he doesnt

[civic crown]

I got him i think he is only 15% on default swag settings

[runic relic]

i put him on 65 and he hasnt spawned in ~20 raids

[upper elm]

Make sure your dynamic AI range isnt too small. He usually spawns a bit away and then runs in.

[runic relic]

where can i find the range?

[upper elm]

F12

Fika.Core

[runic relic]

dynamic ai is off, is that fine?

[upper elm]

yeah

[north sigil]

Reminder that bossmania preset exists

[restive flame]

It’s buggy though

[novel star]

I am not getting the legion boss to spawn, the boss notifier tells me that he spawned but whne looking in th econsole the game gad errors trying to spawn so he isnt here

[granite bough]

I just installed SWAG + Donuts to my server and now my game seems to be stuck at around 30fps.

actually, both host and client are stuck around 30fps

[rose moon]

anyong got a good set up for donuts,

using morepmcs, but kill only like 5 in a raid on factory

can't seem to get pmcs to continously spawn

[civic crown]

What preset are u using @rose moon ?

[rose moon]

morepmcs - donuts

get 1-5 pmcs a raid

+20 scavs

[civic crown]

On factory or all maps?

[rose moon]

it was significantly more earlier, but im not sure why it's suddenly dropped

more or less most maps

ai doesn't chase neither

[civic crown]

Did u try restarting your server? Make any changes?

[rose moon]

yessir!

anyway to increase pmc count?

[civic crown]

Add to the pmc bot count in donuts scenario config

[upper elm]

So swagnuts caches a lot of bots at the start of a raid if I understand correctly. Is this caching async, or will it cause the game to freeze while it happens?

[civic crown]

50 % of the time It hangs on raid start for about 8 seconds for me but never crashes. Sometimes it just smoothly starts raid

[granite bough]

So, I've tried to look into it myself but I'm still seeing my game drop to around 30fps after about 10mins in raid after adding SWAG + Donuts to my server. Does anyone have any tips on how to fix?

[limpid fossil]

anyone else having the issue where bosses and scav snipers are not spawning?

[wooden vigil]

has donuts beenupdated to 3.8.1?

cant see it anywhere

[north sigil]

Turn off looting/questing bots, those are performance killers

[low dagger]

or adjust you cap / despawn settings to be more accustomed to what your pc can handle, sometimes the default 20-24 cap is too much and making it lower around 16-18 with better despawn specs can help

[inner rapids]

Hello, i'm lost... Can someone please send me a link to the latest version for 3.8.0?

[lilac reef]

Its on GitHub, under releases

[granite bough]

don't have questing but I'll turn off looting thanks

[north sigil]

Do you do this in the json or the f12 menu?

[marsh jetty]

I think something weird it's going on with 3.8.1. I was playing fine until I've decided to update to 3.8.1 and now my raids are dead. I use only strarting pmc preset, for instance in interchange i've set up 8 pmc to spawn and 14 scavs. Sometimes I only get like 3 pmc spawning and a random number of scavs but never close to 14.

[amber blaze]

I don't think so

[civic crown]

Its in the scenario config json in donuts folder. Id recommend trying 6 pmcs snd 9 scavs to start with make sure you have despawn bots on in f12

[restive flame]

we're changing this

we're going to make it so that donuts only caches the exact amount of bots/profiles we need for each raid, saving on performance/time and making spawns much faster at the start

[upper elm]

How does it know?

[restive flame]

define starting bots in a config

[upper elm]

I think the real solution would be to have the server cache bots

Like, when a player starts loading into a map, the server just caches some good 20pmcs and 20 scavs

so the game can request them real fast

[restive flame]

it takes way too long

[upper elm]

Surely loading into a map takes longer

[restive flame]

generate bot takes a while during raid load

do it too much and it slows all spawns down after you load in

I've tested this behavior

its not ideal

[upper elm]

Sounds weird, but you're the defacto expert, so I trust you.

[restive flame]

I mean I don't really understand it either, I just know generating bot data is incredibly slow, bsg code

[tranquil carbon]

I did some settings, from https://github.com/DeadLeavez/MISC/blob/main/Performance.md from Fika, BUT it will destroys spawns. Spawn Cap from Fika (settings on screenshot) - 3 scavs at start, no more spawns, maybe after 3-4 restarts spawns will work, when i activate SWAG's Cap (Enforced Spawn Limits = false in Fika) - 6-7 pmcs and 9-10 scavs at start and full raid of bots and waves.

My main idea - 5-7 bots in SWAG settings and flexible cap in Fika settings for all types of teammate's PC.

[worthy raptor]

These settings makes ground zero and reserve unplayable for me. Every second I get a micro hiccup stutter

Which is weird since streets runs perfect

[tranquil carbon]

Yep, i've trying to make Fika as cap controller for this. Maybe @restive flame will add cap control for maps in F12

[worthy raptor]

Any idea how I can reduce it in the meantime?

[tranquil carbon]

I use Bot Hardcap and Despawn settings, it will make lower quantity of waves, because hardcap will block more bots to spawn and when i see on Streets 16 bots, it will be 16 everytime, it will not lead to more spawns. No neccesary spawns - no freeze

[worthy raptor]

That's what I'm doing too, using the settings from the wiki. I prob need to lower the overall spawns then

If I set max bots in SWAGS Config "Reserve 14" what should donuts be?

[tranquil carbon]

Hardcap/SpawnPreset - Starting PMC only/Hotspot Boost

[worthy raptor]

Why is your cooldown timer so low damn

[tranquil carbon]

16 bots in SWAG in all maps - fps went from 40-45fps on Streets to 70-80 and sometime 90 (90-100 in original Tarkov usually at R7 5800X3D+RTX4060 on 1440p)

[tranquil carbon]

idk, just trying some settings (it went to action hell on Factory XD)

[worthy raptor]

lol Yea I have cooldown on 1000seconds cause factory was pure mayham xD

Gonna try 14 on Reserve to see if that helps with the hiccups

btw does my buddy need to set these too or just the host? talking about the f12 settings not the configs itself

[tranquil carbon]

Yep, BUT spawns settings will be loaded from SWAG. And if your friend have lower PC it will break his fps

[worthy raptor]

he has a similiar pc so performance wise no problems there, I just have the fps drops since I'm hosting

[tranquil carbon]

https://github.com/DeadLeavez/MISC/blob/main/Performance.md
How said here, Fika can be as spawn hardcap/despawn controller for SWAG. But it will not work and break SWAG spawns.

[worthy raptor]

So fika hardcaps shouldnt be used?

[tranquil carbon]

I use them

So, when Enforced Spawn Limits = false in Fika Core, spawns works well, a lot bots at start

They start to fight as hell

[worthy raptor]

Yea I have both on

Enforced and Despawn

[upper elm]

Just like my performance guide says in it. It shouldn't be considered some be-all-end-all solution. Its there to give you insight into how things work. If you copy paste the settings without reading WHY each choice has been made. Then you've learned nothing.

[tranquil carbon]

I'm playing with this 2 days already, no stupid copy-paste 🙂

[upper elm]

Also. I haven't done any tests on latest (beta version) of donuts. It was written for 3.3.5 release

For me, its given me everything I want from spawns in tarkov.

[tranquil carbon]

donuts 1.4.4, so when Enforced Spawn Limits = true in Fika Core works normally now

new wave spawned without problems

[worthy raptor]

All good didn't copy paste, used them as a middle point so to speak. Trying to perfect it now.

[upper elm]

Hell yeah.

[tranquil carbon]

Trying to do some shit. 50 bots in Fika settings, but 10 in SWAG config now

Hardcap in SWAG disabled

If it will work, Fika can be as cool hardcap controller with despawns for SWAG

[worthy raptor]

Alright I fixed the stuttering, it was the donuts preset for pmcs. It spawned nonstop pmcs and scavs. With Starting Only it's smooth

[hot ocean]

I followed your settings guide on the latest beta version but I left the individual map caps in fika and donuts as default. The performance difference is night and day, raids are lively enough too

[upper elm]

if you set it to 0 in fika. It uses default which is 20 on all maps afaik

just an FYI

[hot ocean]

ok

i didnt set it to anything

fika spawn limits is the secret sauce i feel

did it by accident before seeing your guide last week and was a decent improvement, the other settings in your guide seem to help even more

[hot ocean]

ahh I see, just looked in the config file and 0 is the default

[tranquil carbon]

Fika Core
Enforced Spawn Limits = true
SWAG - 12

Fika Core 1 bot cap lead to 3 bots on Streets XD
50 bots cap get me 20-25 bots.

BUT in 1 bot cap test i disabled Hotspot Spawn Boost in Donuts

50 bot cap
Hotspot Spawn Boost disabled

i guess it finally works

[heady elm]

I think Time Weather changer fcks up Donuts Timer. If i don’t use it at the start of the raid. They spawn exactly at specific time. If i change time, the timer is inconsistent

[rose moon]

i just keep having SCAV heavy raids when im trying to introduce more pmcs

just forever spawns scavs after the inital 4-5 pmcs

using more pmcs and still not getting any spawn throughout the raid

[hot ocean]

seems reserve is unusually low performance though

anyone else experiencing that?

console has a load of errors about coroutines in regards to inactive bots or something

not sure if that's connected

[odd silo]

Do we have any version for 3.8.1 or still breaking down?

[hot ocean]

theres a beta for it

[odd silo]

Do you have the link? ^^ Appreciate that

or just go to github?

[hot ocean]

one sec

its either further up in this thread or github

[odd silo]

Just found this one https://github.com/dvize/Donuts

but i guess it is not

[hot ocean]

here

[odd silo]

Sheeeesh thank you brother! ^^

[hot ocean]

np

[tribal briar]

hello what option should be activated so that the PMCs spawn as much as the scavs because the PMCs dear me only spawn at the start of the raid and the rest of the time are only cavs

[rose moon]

^^

[limpid fossil]

i having a issue where bosses and scav snipers dont spawn even with the percentage set to 100%

[novel star]

its not updated to 3.8.1

[dull dragon]

soooo i need some help opinion wise on bot cap or despawn scavs option. i have it start with 12 pmcs on every map that dont get despawned on preset pmcstartingraidlivelike and im not sure how i should configure the scavs to have realistic online tarkov like games

do i just have a hard cap of 20 scavs up anywhere on the map or do like 8 with scav despawns?

[silk cradle]

is the usual version of swag+donuts from the SPT-AKI site not fika compatible, and this is a fork of it? or is this just a collection of preset spawn settings designed for fika

[north sigil]

Iirc nooky asked for permission from the original author to fork swag+donuts and make it FIKA compatible

[tranquil carbon]

How you did it? I have stable problems on Streets and with spawn hardcap sometimes i have no place for PMC and starting PMC not spawn at all at many Streets/Lighthouse raids

[rose moon]

swag loads after sain or before sain?

so many different load orders 😂

[north sigil]

sain loads last out of absolutely everything

[delicate yew]

hello guys, does swag and donuts 3.8.0 work for 3.8.1 or is there a version for 3.8.1 out?

[silk cradle]

so just to clarify, at the moment I'm running fika and using Swag+Donuts from here: https://hub.sp-tarkov.com/files/file/878-swag-donuts-dynamic-spawn-waves-and-custom-spawn-points/

it's not throwing any errors, but does this mean that it isn't working/isn't doing anything and I should download the version from discord here instead?

[heavy silo]

So just installed the newest SWAG off of the hub, loading in with latest FIKA says "This is not compatible with AKI"

[north sigil]

post logs

[hot ocean]

@upper elm quick question, do have "Bot Hard Cap Option" set to true in donuts f12 menu?

presumably it's needed for "Hot Spot Ignore Hard Cap = true" ?

in your performance guide that is

[upper elm]

I dont think I have it enabled. I'd have to take a look. But im not near my pc right now

[hot ocean]

Ok no problem, it's disabled by default

I think it helps stop swag maxing out the bots to the Fika max bots limit

But I'm not sure, will test further

[tranquil carbon]

Better way to get some FPS
Install Questing Bots 0.5.1 Alpha 2
Enable AI Limiter
200 meters from You
75 from other PMC
Don't limit Questing Bots, only AI Limiter checkmarks, and you will get alive raids with some sleeping bots for extra fps, got 60-70 with high moments of 80-90 fps on Streets from 40-45 without it. (90-100 fps on official usually).

In Fika Core setting you can limit bots. SWAG config can be not touched at all.

Every PMC on map will get AI Limiter zone, so, PMC in 1000 meters from you can move and shoot too (because their zones activate scavs and spawns), other scavs chill in AFK when not touched by AI Limit zone

Thx to DanW, who updated AI Limiter for Fika, Limiter will not work for clients on QB 0.5.0 hosts

[hot ocean]

interesting

will try this

im on that version but no limiter at the moment

[rose moon]

im assuming switch off despawn in donuts

[hot ocean]

mainly because it didnt seem to work on the previous version

[tranquil carbon]

I guess it didn't work at all in Fika too. Bots on distance more than 200m (in settings) not despawn, just chill in AFK

Tried 5 seconds spawn timer in Donuts, Despawn in Donuts and in Fika, no change, no one despawns

[hot ocean]

i was referring to the ai limiter

but are you saying despawn doesnt work in fika and donuts?

[hearty spruce]

Anyone know if dead AI despawning is caused by donuts?

[tranquil carbon]

yep, in both

tried both separately

SWAG+Donuts alpha for 3.8.1 and stable for 3.8.0, same result from Donuts

[hearty spruce]

As im having an issue where bodies will despawn after a certain amount of time

Did turn off despawning and not quite sure if the issue persists, but whilst making my way across the map late raid there were 0 bodies to be seen anywhere, whilst I heard a ton of fighting

[feral tartan]

Isn't 200meters a bit too low for some maps ? For example what will happen if you want to go for some sniping on woods ? I guess you will spot some freezed bots in your scope. Could be nice to have this limiting option configurable per map

otherwise you need to re-reconfigure it before every raid 😄

[tranquil carbon]

I did 300-400, depends on map. Best feature: It can be changed right in raid in realtime

You can easily activate and deactivate bots on distance without restart just moving a slider

[feral tartan]

Oh, that's good to know. Sounds like a chore for hosting person to always remember about changing it but it's worth I guess

[tranquil carbon]

300 meters nice number, it check your teammates and them have 300m radius too, so they can run away from you and will activate bots and spawns near them. You can add some meters to PMCs in first line

Distance confirmed by DanW almost right now 🙂

[rose moon]

tested, spawns are more manic forsure

[hearty spruce]

Anyone else encountering this?

[feral tartan]

there are 2 ways to despawn bots: via donuts and via fika settings. Are you sure that you disabled it for both plugins ?

[hot ocean]

does the despawn settings despawn bodies?

[feral tartan]

In my understanding, dead bot is still a bot

But cannot confirm for 100%

[hot ocean]

hmmm

but when you get a mountain of bodies on factory they never seem to despawn or prevent other bots spawning

[feral tartan]

Yeah, fair point. There is so much conflicting informations, especially that we have the same feature in fika and donuts - I'm confused about which one should be used 😄

[hot ocean]

haha tell me about it

and now someone saying it doesn't work in either 😂

[hearty spruce]

Don't have fika on that profile, asking here because spt server doesn't have a dedicated topic for it

[hot ocean]

I've defo come across bodies from distant gunfights but perhaps not other side of the map distant

[feral tartan]

there is dedicated topic for donuts: https://discord.com/channels/875684761291599922/1123222290197393509, maybe you can find something interesting

[hot ocean]

also do you guys load fika server after swag?

if we're supposed to be using it's despawner

or does it not matter

[hot ocean]

I can't see this link for some reason

[feral tartan]

despawning thing is a client-side feature, so I dont think it makes any difference

[hot ocean]

ah ok

ty

[hearty spruce]

Thank you

[restive spoke]

I'd really like a setting to disable the AI limit, when the match reaches a certain low bot threshold.
For example, when only 10 bots remain on the map.

[feral tartan]

The whole point of donuts is to keep raid alive all the time - when bot dies, a new one will be spawned in it's place. So for most people there will be little use of such option

[leaden falcon]

Is swag not working with 3.8.1?

Or just in doubt?

[feral tartan]

Using all the time on 3.8.1 without any issues

[dull dragon]

@tranquil carbon do u use questing bots?

[tranquil carbon]

yep

[dull dragon]

got any reccommended settings for starting pmc only raids swag and donuts cap settings?

want fun raid but decent fps

[clever quartz]

I have a feeling my donuts isn't working properly, it seemed to be fine but more recently it just feels like less bots are spawning than should be

[tranquil carbon]

1. Questing Bots Settings, Installed 0.5.1 Alpha 2 from GitHub. No need to limit Questing Bots, this lead to alive PMC bots at any distance which activate SCAVS and they spawn near them too like near player.
2. Donuts Settings, little boost for spawns, but not sure it works or not, Mininal Spawn Distance from player enabled ( or you want raiders spawn in 5m front of you on Reserve?)
3. Fika Core settings, BUT i guess Despawn system didn't works, so just enabled. But Spawn Limits works perfect, enabled and works normally.

One moment. If you disable Spawn Limits in Fika, SWAG will spawn bots right after start timer, if you enable it, spawn will be splitted like 3 bots at start and new wave with microlag spawn in next 10 seconds (like on official when you lag after game start).

[dull dragon]

@tranquil carbon thank you for the very quick reply will test it out and move it around as i see fit. new to spawn settings appreciate it alot, you use sain or u think spt regular ai is better for this mod?

[tranquil carbon]

SAIN better, a lot. Must Have mod.

[dull dragon]

im using it as well

[tranquil carbon]

Mod have Perfomance mode in General settings

I use only one limit

[dull dragon]

wat preset u on?

id like to die every now and then seems to easy atm

[tranquil carbon]

Questing Bots settings can be changed in raid, so you can move slider until you get decent fps for you and enough of action

[tranquil carbon]

Just enable I like pain and move Gigachad to max XD

Maybe it will be not fun to get prefire and jump shot in face 🙂

[dull dragon]

lmaoooou use algotherimic progression?

or u think it breaks sain?

@tranquil carbon ever see this error?

[hot ocean]

@tranquil carbon swag/donuts despawning is working in my test

disabled fika despawn and enabled swag despawn

[tranquil carbon]

Yes, works fine. Meet today first dude with Mjolnir.

I'm on 37 lvl

[dull dragon]

u ever see that red error?

[tranquil carbon]

Ok, will enable it. Thx for tests

[dull dragon]

@tranquil carbon got that error and have no bots spawning

[tranquil carbon]

got this loot from PMC in prev 5 raids

Mask - Custom from Artem Trader Mod

[tranquil carbon]

I see it first time, better to ask DanW

no errors at all

3 clients at same time

[dull dragon]

fixed had to turn off ai limit on questing bots

[tranquil carbon]

wait, where is your IP?

[hot ocean]

np, didnt someone say that donut despawn was bugged in fika or something?

[dull dragon]

is it supposed to show up with me doing open ports?

[ocean mountain]

hey

is there a version that works with 3.8.1?

swag + donuts

[cobalt owl]

Did you notice any improvements between this alpha and the stable version of questing bots?

[hot ocean]

stable was bugged with fika

not really noticeable with swags installed as well but without it I had big performance drops on certain maps

alpha has fixed that and some other stuff

[feral tartan]

I just noticed on your screenshot that you are using donuts preset "staring PMC's only" combined with fika despawner. In my understanding it creates situation where PMC's only chance to spawn is at the raid beginning and then, they can be quickly despawned making your raid empty. Am I wrong ?

EDIT: I just tested and I'm wrong in that case. When questing bots are enabled, fika is not despawning pmc's no matter what - so there is probably some deeper logic in this

[dull dragon]

why are all bots spawning at one time crashing my game instead of a couple waves?

just started happening today

[fathom shell]

The current official Questing Bots release is not compatible with MPT, which is why you're getting those errors. You can test the 0.5.1 Alpha 2 build on my GitHub repo, which should fix this. Just keep in mind that all players in the raid will need to use it, not just you.

[flat flicker]

Hey everyone im under a bit confusion and need help.

1. Does donuts need swag to operate properly? The host of the server i play on doesnt have it atm but i turn on donuts when i host a raid on his server.
2. Should i have despawning disabled in fika core?
3. The host of the server i played on had ridiculous boss spawns, like having bloodhounds, glukhar, rogues and shturman in customs. This was fixed when we removed swag for some reason?

Theres some kind of bot limit that works, however i want bots to spawn around me so i have activity just within about 200m of my range

[stone cove]

What problems have yall seen using swag+donuts in 3.8.1?

[restive spoke]

Sadly, haven't seen a single boss since using the alpha in combination with fika, is this a known issue?

[flat flicker]

hey, our server host re-enabled swag and its all good now

[novel star]

I am having the same issue, the bosses arent spawning even when having the spawn rate at 100 percent

[restive spoke]

Without Fika it works, also with SWAG or BetterSpawnsPlus I've seen bosses, but with Questing+Fika it doesn't work.

[feral tartan]

I just did a small test by changing reshala chance to 100% on customs in SWAG config and boom, he is here.

Using questing bots + looting bots + swag/donuts + realism + sain + fika and a bunch of other mods - all in the most recent version possible

So it's working just fine

[restive flame]

awesome I’ll use you as proof that bosses work since I always get complaints they don’t

[feral tartan]

Since yesterday, I got blasted by bosses too many times to not believe

[surreal anvil]

Same, Goons on Shoreline wrecked my mate.

[cyan beacon]

Goons make signal part 1 a nightmare lol

[idle brook]

so i come in here everyday to see if SWAG+donuts is updated to 3.8.1, and for now i see that donuts isnt, but also i see others also asking, if i may request, can you post a pin talking about the status of it? Would be helpful for a quick check and many others that are new can see the pinned comment.

[cyan beacon]

I've been using it on 3.8.1 can't really say I've had issues other than something to do with tier 2 marksman no spawning correctly with a mosin

But doesn't affect raids in any way really since it just falls back and chooses something else, probably just something with realism and this combined

[idle brook]

i tried installing SWAG+Donuts before with my clients about a week ago and we were all unable to even open up tarkov, so thats why im waiting for a stable release of donuts out of beta, before retrying

it was from the AKI website and not the fika compatible version

[restive flame]

It works in 3.8.1

[hot ocean]

swag+donuts works great

[restive flame]

I’m working on updates every day, big changes are in progress so it will take some time

[hot ocean]

working fine in 3.8.3

[idle brook]

of course, but im just asking for a pin too, to find it easily, unless the SPT website and on here are the same?

[restive flame]

There’s a build I posted last week but I’d consider that outdated by now given the amount of changes I’ve made since then, I would just use the hub version until the next test build

[idle brook]

gotcha, not trying to rush you or anything, but would you might have a rough estimation of the next release? My friends keep asking me, because i hype this mod up so much lol

[restive flame]

No sorry, there will never be an estimate. It would be unnecessary pressure on myself that I don’t want, modding spt is a passion for me and I don’t want to fuck that up

It’ll be ready when it’s ready

[idle brook]

no worries! figured i would ask 😆

[restive flame]

Given my history it likely won’t be too long though

[idle brook]

noice

imo, this is a required mod and should never be played without in SPT

hell if it was possible to just make it part of base SPT, that would be awesome

[mental needle]

hey, i wanted to ask if the legion spawn is fixed on 3.8.1 with the version that you posted there? because i'm yet to meet him with raid overhaul with his spawn chance set to 80% in config of raid overhaul, is there an option in config in swag+donuts for his spawn or something that could make him not spawn? also i didn't meet any other boss in 30+ raids and i don't know if its because of raid overhaul, my settings or some other mods

[surreal anvil]

@idle brook But the mod works in 3.8.1+

I'm on 3.8.3 and it's working without issue.

[mental needle]

i've seen that on the bottom of update there is info that legion should be fixed now

[idle brook]

i just remember seeing issues with Donuts in 3.8.1 and there is a new version of it in beta on here, so thats why i have reservations about it

[ruby wadi]

Same link as the start of post ?

[restive flame]

No, use the hub version for now please

[surreal anvil]

The best thing you could do is just try it out... worst case scneario is that you'll have to remove it.

[ruby wadi]

link? pretty please 🙂

[surreal anvil]

It's been working flawlessly for me and my mates

[idle brook]

last time that happened for us, it somehow borked our whole install file lol

[restive flame]

https://github.com/p-kossa/nookys-swag-presets-spt/releases/download/v3.3.5/SWAG-Donuts-v3.3.5-SPT380.zip

[ruby wadi]

Appreciate it ❤️

[idle brook]

wish i could bugtest it again rn, but all my dudes are asleep or at work atm

[hot ocean]

if in doubt just clean install spt

[idle brook]

okay, so did install it, but im not even seeing it in the F12 menu, even tho the server log says it is loaded

and this is the BepinEx folder

[hot ocean]

weird

best to just backup your profiles and fresh install

[idle brook]

and here is the server, even tho it says its incompatible, it is still loaded

but i know how to change the server version to change the AKI version

[hot ocean]

could try the 3.3.6 alpha

[idle brook]

and thats why i was asking earlier if we can have a pin for these lol, becuase i didnt even know there was one, except for donuts being in beta...

oh well. lemme try it, do you have a link?

[hot ocean]

its on nooky github

with the release

super sekrit alpha or something

I would recommend fresh installing spt first though to see if that fixes it with the version you are using

might be something borked with your install

its a good practice to get into anyway

[idle brook]

tarkov was working perfectly with 6 others now im trying to install this and nothing is showing up. So...

[idle brook]

i dont see what youre talking about, can you possibly get a link?

[hot ocean]

https://github.com/p-kossa/nookys-swag-presets-spt/releases/tag/v3.3.5

[idle brook]

oh thats why i didnt see it, i was thinking nookys swag presets spt was literally presets for spawning stuff

okay, im just at a loss

could SVM be overwriting it?

[hot ocean]

fresh install

[feral tartan]

Or hit the "~" button and check logs in the console - bepinex is probably trying to tell you something 😄

[idle brook]

Damn, totally forgot about the Tarkov console

[prisma spindle]

Love your work man... fucking legend xxx

[idle brook]

so, the tarkov console isnt reporting anything either... IDK what is causing this tbh

[amber blaze]

Does it work in 3.8.1?

[idle brook]

nope, did a fresh install, on 3.8.3 and it seems to work, but now lients cant connect at all, to the server...

[final turret]

did you remember to edit http.json in aki data for the ip?

[idle brook]

never had an issue before

and im doing the exact same thing, but now they cant connect

[final turret]

try changing the backend ip as well maybe? just to test

[idle brook]

theyre still not able to connect

[final turret]

sounds like you will need to move over to the general support chat. Looks like someone else is also having this issue here https://discord.com/channels/1202292159366037545/1239412085662941185

[idle brook]

tried that already and the friend is still unable

[final turret]

my point was more so that you may need to wait and see if there is a resolution over there or make your own post following the guidelines to directly tackle your issue

[amber blaze]

Damn

I'm blocked on 3.8.0

Waiting for Swag to update

[pallid compass]

Same

[civic crown]

You want a link for the 3.8.0 build?

[signal barn]

Hey guys sorry to bother, I'd like to know if the PMC and Scav raid preset selection are independant ? Do i need to select a PMC only setting for PMC and one scav only for scavs or do I need to set it up like in the screenshot to get a similar ratio than Live ? Thanks ❤️

[restive flame]

Independent, one is for pmc raids one is for scav raids

[restive spoke]

I think I found the issue, or at least there is some kind of a clue where to start looking.
Changing "delay_game_start_until_bot_gen_finishes" from true to false spawns bosses again.

[mental needle]

is the pinned comment on the version you posted here or the hub one? i can't get legion to spawn (99.5%) and also didn't meet any bosses for 30+ raids

[fervent pulsar]

I cant get sniper scavs to spawn

[glossy sentinel]

alpha worth trying? whats cahnged?

[magic nest]

Thi nk i will post this one here as it might have a few peeps that know how the mod works..

Question in regards to sacrificial host on server PC and Swag/Donuts. SO i host on the server pc we all join and spawn in we then kill the host. How does bot spawning work now that the host is dead and technically still at spawn? Does it use the other players positions for spawning? Or deactivating based on distance? or is it all tied to the host?

[glossy sentinel]

Raid host handle all npc and can't leave raid till everyone extract/die and press f8 to leave the raid. If host loose connection all npc are brainded and stand in one place and theres no new spawns and connection between players are broken. They still can finish the raid/ loot and do quests but no coop and no npc

Also bot spawn around players and you can change at what range they will disable ai and despawn

[magic nest]

@glossy sentinel Where does it get the distance to spawn/despawn? Connected players and host? or just host?

[glossy sentinel]

Can’t tell you for sure but playing with friends we figured out it takes distance from connected players. But we play with no ai cap and more spawning in hot zones

[runic briar]

swag-donut working with spt 3.8.3?

[sonic remnant]

Yes

[river temple]

What setting should i adjust to prevent AI from sprinting away when you pull the pin on nades?

[restive flame]

has nothing to do with this mod

[river temple]

so it has nothing to do with realism, core, swag+donuts.... thats confusing as fuck.

[swift hinge]

Is there an ETA on the next update?

[restive flame]

nope

I'm working on it almost every day though fwiw

[swift hinge]

Alright. That's a good attitude. Too many modders burn out.

[restive flame]

thanks, I've been happily maintaining swag for well over a year and don't really have plans on stopping any time soon

[cold nimbus]

i have suggestion that maybe will be hard to do
auto turn off donuts on clients or something like that (heard that clients need to turn off donuts so spawns wont be crazy idk if that even true lol)

[idle brook]

Swag is THE essential mod for live like, spt should not be played without it

[granite path]

Brief explanation of what does this mod add?

[pallid compass]

https://hub.sp-tarkov.com/files/file/878-swag-donuts-dynamic-spawn-waves-and-custom-spawn-points/

[rose moon]

wish i kept that motive with art

[vagrant snow]

Yeah this mod should be integranted in spt tbh

[vagrant snow]

Yes please

[civic crown]

That would be nice for sure

[restive flame]

I'm not sure if that's even possible?

since it is fika-specific it's not high on my priority list but I'll look into it anyway

[cold nimbus]

well in fika there is for sure somehow you marked as host of the raid
so it will be cringe code like this
if not fika.hostraid then
donuts = false idk

well maybe there is not such thing then it is really hard

[split ferry]

I have a GUI error, I am pushing more GUIClips than I'm popping.. Whatever that means?

[amber blaze]

Really?

[prisma berry]

@mighty depot

[still swan]

When do you init the component?
Both WaveScenarios are disabled as a client, maybe you can utilize that? Or I could try disabling the entire BotsController for clients and you could check that. Let me know what you need when you look at it.
https://github.com/project-fika/Fika-Plugin/blob/ce9f0077176415583042f597efed8c568985df3e/Fika.Core/Coop/GameMode/CoopGame.cs#L1085

[scarlet coral]

does donuts consider the location of clients when spawning? Setup a raid host on a separate computer and we had a case of bots spawning really close even though minimum distances were set to 45 for players and bots

[restive flame]

Latest hub version ?

[lament pendant]

Check the hotspot override. Those being enabled SEEM (and Nooky can tell me if Im just crazy) to not respect the spawn distance. We run Traveler and with those on, loading in at Warehouse 17 we almost always have bots rushing us instantly from Crackhouse. With them off, the spawns respect the distance limit I have set.

also 45m is MUCH closer than you think it is. Distances in Tarkov feel much further than they are.

[quaint blaze]

Anyone getting no bosses or sniper scavs, I've found the current version of SVM is causing issues with SWAG even if you follow the compatibility section on the spt website. If you have any 'raid settings' enabled at all, it prevents snipers and bosses from spawning, even if you literally untick every option in the section

not sure if this is an SVM problem or a SWAG problem

[lament pendant]

Havent seen that personally, at least on 3.8, havent updated past that yet.

the only error I see with SWAG regularly is the marksman 2 error but we definitely get snipers and bosses

[still swan]

This guy is back :s

[heady elm]

hmm i dunno why this happen. If DONUT spawns bots other than usec/bear pmcs they become like this

this only happens in MPT

[civic crown]

That ain't right

[scarlet coral]

This is with the super sekrit alpha. As per the other poster I do have hotspot override turned on so it could be an issue with that.

[heady elm]

Oh that only happen if that bot has no followers.

i set 12 different spawn points to make them do quest but i guess it doesnt work that way

[safe aspen]

are you running questing bots with it?

[heady tartan]

This is 3.8.0, you need to update to Fika (can't really give support for older versions)

[dull dragon]

anyone got any config/setting suggestions. dont know how many max bots to allow and ect and how to setup no despawning or despawning in a way that when i run to the gunfight i here they alrdy despawn

[civic crown]

@dull dragon in the donuts scenario config set your bot limits I find 8 pmcs and 10 scavs is pretty good for live like experience with the settings above. In Swag config set the bot cap to them sum of your donuts cap + 4, +7 on reserve and lighthouse is a good place to start.

For factory disable pmc spawn hard stop or lower the limit.

[dull dragon]

@civic crown im not using sain is hard pmc actually semi difficult?

nvm learned the "hard" way they decent

[civic crown]

Sain is a really nice AI mod with some fun presets

[dull dragon]

yeah the pre release wasnt working to well with my 3.8.2 so im just changing it up

seems like i prefer regular ai on fika

i do kno sain is a great mod, on non fika i enjoy it alot

[civic crown]

I think the sain test builds are being ironed out and updated to 3.8.3 should get better in the near future

[dull dragon]

yeah always gets better

donut gots a decent update in the works

[silk cradle]

should I be using v335 or the "super sekrit" 366 alpha

[mellow flume]

I have noticed this as well but i dont have raid settings toggled. I have other stuff so maybe its not the same issues. What is similar is thati havent seen any sniper scavs or bosses in a long time now.

[lament pendant]

its not SVM, I have stuff in that section turned on and it works fine. I get sniper scavs and bosses regularly. Check Realism and basically everything else that touches spawns.

[scarlet coral]

had another case today of a scav spawning under 5m away, this was with hotspot boost and ignore hardcap turned off

[cold nimbus]

seems that that ignore hardcap spawns under ur nose cause after toggle it on it start happening (or just "lucky" timing)

[limpid fossil]

does anyone know how to fix the issue of no scav snipers and no bosses spawning? or do i have to wait for a update?

[restive flame]

There isn’t an issue as far as I’m aware, have you confirmed this with a bot monitor? I need more details to help, what are your donuts and swag settings?

[north sigil]

can you pin the post to the latest version please?

[limpid fossil]

ill run a factory run later try to get tagilla to spawn

[quaint blaze]

same issue.
SPT 3.8.3, Fika 0.9.8901
Client mods Donuts, its dependencies, Fika, BossNotifier
Server mods Fika, SWAG, SVM

[quaint blaze]

I've tested with maybe 15~ raids now and it definitely only starts or stops occurring with the toggle of this SVM setting, even if you have literally nothing inside of it ticked

[lament pendant]

Thats bizarre. Like I said. I have a couple minor things in there turned on and it works fine.

[quaint blaze]

latest SVM? I've got 1.8.2 and SWAG 3.3.5

[lament pendant]

I believe so. Not at PC at the moment. Will make coffee and confirm.

ok, nope Im on 3.8.0 for SPT and SWAG 3.3.0 I dont think there has been a SVM update since then so that should be the same. I copied my setings over to the 3.8.3 install Im setting up though. I can test it there as well.

[quaint blaze]

There was an SVM update yesterday 😁 it occurs on both current and the version before though

[lament pendant]

ok, I for sure didnt grab that for my 380 setup then.

so weird

maybe something else Ive got turned on is forcing them back into spawning, but there shouldnt be, at least to my knowledge.

all I have in Raid Settings is lab insurance and no survived run requirements

I have noticed with bosses they dont seem to spawn on raid load, snipers definitely do though

[quaint blaze]

yeah, I usually just have the extract settings ticked, which is why I think its some sorta bug with either mod. nothing spawn related is ticked. even tried removing the spawning related code from SVMs mod.ts and it would still happen until raid settings is unticked which is weird

[lament pendant]

where is the setting for free cam again? My brain isnt on just yet

[quaint blaze]

F9 by default if its enabled in \fika-server\assets\configs\fika.jsonc

[limpid fossil]

i think i know why bosses dont spawn all i did was i enable to spawn in svm previously it was off i just tested it on factory while setting tagilla spawn chance to 100%

[lament pendant]

yeah I just spin up my 3.8.3 setup up with boss mania and Reshala and Sani are fighting in Drms.

and theres a sniper scav up on water tower

[heady tartan]

[quaint blaze]

are you running with the in-tarkov raid setting "Amount of AI" as none? I've been doing that cause it spawns an absolute horde of bots on any other setting (and the donuts documentation says to.... but maybe I read that wrong hah)

[lament pendant]

so... apparently I didnt scroll down. I do have Bosses checked in SVM. Maybe that forces it? let me re spin. All the other in-raid settings I just left as online, didnt touch them.

ok so.. now I have 2 photocopy Reshalas with zzsh helmets running around bus stop talking to each other...

[quaint blaze]

can you try reproduce with amount of AI none for me? if so, very niche combination of settings causing it lol

regular scavs and PMCs will still spawn on none in my experience

[restive flame]

in-game options are obsolete with this mod

also, yes svm spawn options conflict

don't use them please

[quaint blaze]

I'm not using any spawn settings in SVM and it still occurs

[restive flame]

I'm referring to the other ppl sorry

[quaint blaze]

ah mb

[restive flame]

whats your issue?

[lament pendant]

and I do have things set and it seems to work fine, am I a wizard?

[quaint blaze]

having anything under SVMs "raid settings" has been causing no snipers or bosses to spawn, even if I disable every option inside of it, and every other mod I have running. live-like-alt with 100% boss spawn on customs. toggling raid settings to off makes bosses spawn again

labbed it over about 25 raids

but apparently it works for Gorilla which is wild

[restive flame]

have you tried with only swag donuts

[quaint blaze]

works as intended

[restive flame]

then its a conflict? not a swag donuts issue?

[quaint blaze]

but its an unrelated setting conflicting with donuts? I could report it in SVM but I feel like I'd get waved off even harder

[restive flame]

I don't know, thats something you need to figure out, the mod works as intended, if it breaks while using other mods I can't really help much

if it can be reproduced with only swag donuts then ofc ill look into it

[limpid fossil]

try enabling bosses in raid settings

[novel star]

All of my bots spawn just fine bosses and all here is my mod list

[heady tartan]

All you have to do is check SVM and make sure no settings touch spawning AT ALL

I'm sure nooky is getting real tired of having to tell people this over and over

[novel star]

yeah for me I have no problems at all with swag and donuts

[silk cradle]

all my bots+snipers+bosses are spawning fine on 335 so i'm not sure if I should be upgrading to the "secret" alpha or not 😅
i'm on SPT 3.8.1

[quick hamlet]

Hey Nooky, with the sekrit alpha build, is there any chance we could get the live-like performance preset but with starting PMCs only?

[silk cradle]

i've noticed that sometimes my clients will have a different selected preset from mine pop up at the bottom right than I do when we load into a raid. that doesn't actually affect anything as I'm the host right?

[still swan]

No

[silk cradle]

ok cool, didn't think so but wanted to double check. thank you!

[gleaming nova]

Are there mods that are known to mess this mod up other then SVM? I am trying to use bossmania on factory and its not working correctly as far as I understand.

[restive flame]

Working on it

[restive flame]

Anything that changes spawns

[quick hamlet]

Awesome, I love your mod and it's made a great time for me and my friends

[gleaming nova]

so AlgorithmicLevelProgression will break it?

[pearl narwhal]

that changes what bots spawn with
not how they spawn

[gleaming nova]

I am just trying to figure out whats breaking things. Either that or I dont understand the factory bossmania. I am trying to do that quest where you have to kill all the bosses in one raid

[restive flame]

Boss mania is buggy atm sorry

[gleaming nova]

Oh? so its not somthing I have done thats broke it?

[scenic glacier]

So these 5 Big Pipes that I killed on scav base on customs is a bug or a feature? Asking for a friend :V

[restive flame]

afaik the bug is some bosses spawn with invisible bodies

or broken bodies

[scenic glacier]

Yeah, I saw some floating armor and weapons

One more thing, goons spawning individually after one is dead is intentionally?

[clever quartz]

What are some good performance settings? Other than just limiting the amount of bots?

[civic crown]

Is the boss bug with svm or some other mod or in vanilla 3.8.3?

[cold nimbus]

Does despawn work good in fika or it is desync? How often it is occurs ? Per cooldown? Also despawn in fika how often that one occurs (seems both despawns not even working)

[still swan]

It should replicate the despawns

[cold nimbus]

But i mean how often it is occurs? to actually see it trigger
it is look upon number in donuts preset?

[hot ocean]

last time i tried fika despawns last week I couldn't get it to work, swag/donuts despawns were working as intended though

im not sure why its recommend to use the fika despawns over the swag ones but I've seen that sentiment a lot

perhaps someone could clarify

[hot ocean]

I've been testing it today and from what I can gather the spawn limit enforcement in fika prevents swag/donuts from spawning which prevents the fika despawn from ever being used because swag/donuts is never spawning more than the enforced limit

[cold nimbus]

yeah donuts a bit broken literally started raid with my friend and bunch scavs spawned on top on us...
min distance to spawn was 80m...

[hard roost]

Been having those issues as well. Yesterday ran woods a few times and either got engaged by other pmcs right of the bat or on one occasion spawned on top/behind us

[hard roost]

Have a go at this for the moment. Reworked fika spawns, didn't try it out much yet so see if it improves something for you. #1240652135935508490 message

[cold nimbus]

but do you need to unistall donuts part?

[hard roost]

No, just run everything as you would and see if the issue persists

[hot ocean]

hmm fika despawn doesn't seem to work with questing bots either

[mellow flume]

i've finally updated to 3.8.3 with a fresh install. Now bots seem to spawn right next to me even tho i have enabled the "Global minimum spawn distance from player". A bot spawned literraly next to me. What gives?

[white hearth]

I've been having this since 3.8.1 on the latest version posted to spt-hub

I do also run with hotspot override, so maybe that is the cause

I'll try turning this off and seeing how things go

[mellow flume]

im running that too

hotspot override

[restive flame]

If hotspot override is causing that then it’s not intentional, I’ll look into it

[white hearth]

Sorry, to be specific, I meant just "Hot Spot Spawn Boost" options. I haven't been running with "Hot Spot Ignore Spawn Cap"

[mellow flume]

i have both

[granite stone]

same issue

[lapis rampart]

Same. PMCs can also spawn next to you. It happened to us on Customs and Factory. We're using Swag+Donuts with, SAIN, Lootings bots and Realism but no Questing Bots.

[civic crown]

I ended up going back to 3.8.0 for the time being had better luck in that build

[restive flame]

I haven’t seen reports of this at all in spt

I’m also unable to reproduce with default settings

[safe mango]

Had at least 5 scavs spawn point blank on me under sniper scav on woods just in succession while i was trying to heal lol, spawn almost inside me in factory and some other rather close spawns on other locations.

havent touched any spawn settings after installing latest

[pearl narwhal]

I mean, if you haven't touched any settings

min distance is off by default isn't it?

[safe mango]

you know this do in fact be a case of "well if its not on it wouldnt work"... smh

[jolly condor]

It was happening on our side as well, we deleted all the configs for questing bots and swag, donuts. Reinstalled them for just to be sure, only activated the hard cap and they somehow stopped doing that, not really sure why. We've had some scavs spawning on top of us on factory but they weren't rushing us or smn. We have sain, looting bots, realism as well.

It's.. Weird to pinpoint things on tarkov as almost everything is random.

[civic crown]

I never saw problems with boss spawns, desync, or anything odd in 3.3.5 and 3.8.0. I use minimal mods though. I actually had worse frames on a few maps on 3.8.3 so I went back.

[tulip vale]

So after updating from 3.8.0 to 3.8.3, everything seems to spawn regardless of settings and the host pc is slowing to a crawl. Any leads?

[civic crown]

For me woods was good performance but reserve was awful....

[tulip vale]

I'm not sure exactly what might cause it, but IIRC, there was a DLL needed specifically for fika. It worked on our end when it was "MPT", but now it is all "Fika". Maybe that's the reason somehow? @restive flame

(and apologies for ping, I just know code can be stupid)

[stark crane]

I can confirm this happening for multiple raids. Hotspot enabled. Will test without hotspot now.

[quick hamlet]

Hey so, for the new live-like performance setting, its been working great on every map except woods, on that map The spawns were all really far away from us, usually 400 to 600 units away. I've been looking for a way to despawn things that are that far away and focus on spawning things that are closer when possible, but I'm not sure how to set that up

Right now despawning only really matters for when you're hitting the cap, and with the new settings, it never comes close to hitting the cap

[pearl narwhal]

LOWER THE CAP THEN?

caps

[restive flame]

im not aware of any fika-specific build

[tulip vale]

Wasn't there a dll meant to make it work better or something?

That you had to download separately

For donuts

[restive flame]

I don't remember, should be using the hub version or the alpha build I posted a week or so ago

props and I are making heavy changes daily, this update will take a little while

[quick hamlet]

I'm all for testing them, the spawning basically determines how fun your maps are

Once we get that on lockdown it'll basically define fika and SPT for everybody

[tulip vale]

Fair enough. Where can I find the alpha build?

[civic crown]

Everyone wants something different having so many options with donuts is awesome.

[restive flame]

As we wish to add more cool options props decided it was time for a gui, a sneak peek for you all 🤫https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1080178707697770576/1240774848209227817/image.png?ex=664a6c20&is=66491aa0&hm=604e9ec10d24f81c81db556759bf4d50dd03bdf514e4de972b4aae2f0f38fd78&

[gleaming nova]

Thats awsome

[white hearth]

After doing some testing with boosted hotspot spawning turned off, it does not seem to resolve the issue of bots spawning next to me and my teammates.

It happened twice in a few minutes just outside of green keycard room.

[quick hamlet]

I died yesterday because it literally spawned the goons directly in front of me in customs and they immediately mowed my ass down lmao

It was the funniest shit, I just saw them materialize into existence right in front of me and I died

[white hearth]

boohoo

[scarlet coral]

same here, testing with hotspot on or off you can get spawns right on top of you

[civic crown]

Are yall on 3.8.3?

[white hearth]

I have had this occur on 3.8.0, 3.8.1, and 3.8.3

But currently 3.8.3

[civic crown]

Have you tried to make the minimum spawn distances way bigger? Perhaps there's a scaling or location issue with that? I am surprised I have never had this happen I'm level 45.

[idle bronze]

am I doing something wrong to cause scavs & pmcs to just spawn on top of me lol

seems to be during night raids specifically

ran shoreline back to back 3 times and all 3 i just got jumped by actual phantoms

[quick hamlet]

Happening to me too. PMC bot spawned directly on top of us at map load, proceeded to shoot me through a solid wall and 1 tap me in the head, then killed my buddy through the same wall

They are 100% ignoring the minimum spawn distances and I really want to find out how/why

[idle bronze]

lmao as much as I want this fixed it’s also funny as fuck

actual jumpscares

[marsh lotus]

For me it never happened with 3.8.0/3.8.1 + Fika, only started seeing them spawn next to us after the upgrade to 3.8.3. Turning off hotspot settings and setting a hard cap seems to help though

I also have both player and bot minimum spawn distances set, but that seems to not do anything

[civic crown]

@haughty cliff my donuts / swag files, make sure to disable PMC hard stop for factory, or lower the time threshold

[loud cove]

@civic crown what are your fika-core bot settings?

[civic crown]

I don't pay attention to that swagnuts should overwrite all that. Unless I am severely misunderstanding something.

[vagrant snow]

having the same issue seems the minimum distance for spawns is broken or something because they spawn right next to me having 100m spawn set

[mellow flume]

I never had this issue when I was on 3.8.0.
I just updated to 3.8.3 and now bots spawn next to me. I have hard cap enabled, pmc and scav deapawn, hotspot boost and Hotspot ignore cap and finally minim range to spawn active (this doesn't seem to do anything tho)

I also use sain, questing bots.