Why is neutral pariah Mutually exclusive?

[woeful breach]

It doesnt do anything in most set lists and multiple nps dont seem broken, so whats the cause of this restriction?

[sonic holly]

[woeful breach]

how is multiple pariah bad in taa?

[grizzled mantle]

shrug

but it was done literally cuz TAA balancing

😭

[woeful breach]

why are we balancing around TAA

[grizzled mantle]

idk ask tuba

[fringe turret]

NP is are objectively pretty overpowered so I’m perfectly fine with that

[woeful breach]

were they too strong together?

[fringe turret]

Yes

[woeful breach]

auditor and ss seem pretty balanced

[fringe turret]

They win too many games and make it unfun for town

[fringe turret]

These are some of the strongest roles in the game

[grizzled mantle]

wow its almost like TAA isnt meant to be balanced

[fringe turret]

yes

but keyword ‘unfun’

[grizzled mantle]

capping NP to 1 is taat balancing

[fringe turret]

TAA IS meant to be fun

[grizzled mantle]

it just limits creativity

[fringe turret]

Comp Sci mindset

[grizzled mantle]

Arbitrary restrictions moment.

[fringe turret]

I just explained why it exists

even outside TAA

[grizzled mantle]

wouldnt care if we got a modifier that turned off arbitrary restrictions

[fringe turret]

same logic applies

[woeful breach]

i think the big issue is that forces the cap everywhere, rather than implementing a way for this to only affect TAA

[fringe turret]

Well sure then

[grizzled mantle]

tell me

[fringe turret]

make a mod

[grizzled mantle]

give me a role deck

where multiple NPs could spawn if the cap wasnt 1

[fringe turret]

I’m saying hypothetically

It would not be fun

you only need 1

[grizzled mantle]

it was better when we could have all 3

[fringe turret]

it IS only 1 for a reason

PP says otherwise

[grizzled mantle]

-# + if we could, we could have up to 5 NPs in a game

[fringe turret]

yeah but that’s my point

you want it for the sake of it

not because it’s enjoyable for the other side

[grizzled mantle]

simply make a role deck where it works

[woeful breach]

i do want 3np in april

[fringe turret]

I don’t like the casual mode mentality of what lists have became

[grizzled mantle]

I just want arbitrary restrictions gone.

like

[fringe turret]

It’s not arbitrary 🥀

[grizzled mantle]

give us a modifier that raises NP cap to 3, CK cap to 3, CPOW cap to 3, TG cap to 3 and TE cap to 3

[fringe turret]

I was dancing around that but yeah

aprilslop

[grizzled mantle]

Aprilgen*

🤓

[woeful breach]

what if there was pariah party fanbase who only wants to play pariah party

[fringe turret]

Well they can make a video game called pariah party then idk anymore

[tired sundial]

If 2 or 3 nps spawn
And a full coven

That's litteraly 6 - 8 votes (judge extra vote) d2

It is litteraly free coven win simulator

[grizzled mantle]

ok

but

in what role deck

except taa

is that happening in?

[fringe turret]

Pariah Party

and it’s awful

[copper plover]

Quite literally faction limits and mutual exclusivity are made to balance all any

nobody is including an Any in a list except vanilla pandemonium

[grizzled mantle]

doesn't count, cuz that's the whole gimmick

[sonic holly]

And you're not allowed to create a list with that gimmick in custom because...

[grizzled mantle]

"TAA balancing"

There shouldn't be arbitrary restrictions hrjeiajd rrjiajdngbsjajs

[sharp linden]

pariah party with all 3 neutral pariahs, egotist flexed and egotist from modifier, plus an evil aligned oracle when

[quaint remnant]

Ngl remove all the arbitrary restrictions and adds a "all any" modifier that adds them back!

[cedar spindle]

Cause if 3 NP exists coven basically has 7 evils in the same alignment

The only other mode which has 7 evils is jr

But jr have 3 factional evils

[sonic holly]

Thing is if you do that you will get a rally of people wanting an all any without it lol

[woeful breach]

then let them get that one also like how they do with aaf

[lime pollen]

Yeah but if we change it so that it's fun - then we'd be breaking all the traditions we are appealing to!! We can't possibly allow that, games need to appeal to tradition, not do some irrelevant thing like "be fun".

[woeful breach]

honestly these cap should only affect the any bucket

theres no reason why we shouldnt be able to manually spawn them in

[slim willow]

hear me out

modifier called "Pariah Party" that allows multiple Pariahs/Egotist

otherwise capped to 1

[exotic raft]

Did you know that going against SEVEN COVEN is not fun?

[cedar spindle]

especially when 1 can hijack day trial, one which makes TP useless AND deny day abilities and one that denies info AND perma dreamweave someone