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azure pine Mar 21, 2026, 6:28 PM

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[2;33m- Town (12) -
[0m[2;32mJailor
Arsonist (Town)
Town ([2;34m[1;34mInvestigative[0m[2;34m[0m[2;32m)
Town ([2;34m[1;34mInvestigative[0m[2;34m[0m[2;32m)
Town ([2;34m[1;34mProtective[0m[2;34m[0m[2;32m)
Town ([2;34m[1;34mProtective[0m[2;34m[0m[2;32m)
Town ([2;34m[1;34mKilling[0m[2;34m[0m[2;32m)
Town ([2;34m[1;34mSupport[0m[2;34m[0m[2;32m)
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pallid elm Mar 21, 2026, 6:41 PM

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azure pine - <:SecretKillers:1140820224418005112> | <:GracePeriod:1387496401268900070> - ...

if the vampire converts the arsonist they vampire just dies when they need to nuke

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or ignite ig

azure pine Mar 21, 2026, 6:42 PM

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If youre in a scenario where you can ignite the rest of town its probably worth it

pallid elm Mar 21, 2026, 6:42 PM

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azure pine If youre in a scenario where you can ignite the rest of town its probably worth ...

fair ig

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but not if they also have the other two vampires doused

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or whatever

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then it's just arso without defense

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wait does arso have factional defense or?

azure pine Mar 21, 2026, 6:43 PM

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It has factional defense, which is none when it comes to non-solo vampire

pallid elm Mar 21, 2026, 6:43 PM

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alright yea

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so it can get converted at least

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meh i guess it's a alright list

azure pine Mar 21, 2026, 6:44 PM

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The idea is that in this list, vamps are going to eventually bus one another

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Because you cant have more than 4 vamps

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And you start with 3

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Vampire itself doesnt lose charges for starting vamps

lost ice Mar 21, 2026, 6:45 PM

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azure pine Vampire itself doesnt lose charges for starting vamps

Proseclueless

pallid elm Mar 21, 2026, 6:45 PM

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azure pine Vampire itself doesnt lose charges for starting vamps

it does...

azure pine Mar 21, 2026, 6:45 PM

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lost ice <:Proseclueless:1438898725891215400>

Has this been confirmed to be elsewise

pallid elm Mar 21, 2026, 6:45 PM

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azure pine Has this been confirmed to be elsewise

yes

azure pine Mar 21, 2026, 6:45 PM

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What the fuck????

lost ice Mar 21, 2026, 6:45 PM

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azure pine Mar 21, 2026, 6:45 PM

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That makes ZERO sense and ruins vamp lists

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All the creativity ypu could have is nerfed into the floor

pallid elm Mar 21, 2026, 6:46 PM

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maybe they could make a modifier that removes that

pallid elm Mar 21, 2026, 6:46 PM

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azure pine All the creativity ypu could have is nerfed into the floor

you could suggest that

azure pine Mar 21, 2026, 6:47 PM

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Im about to

willow palm Mar 21, 2026, 7:02 PM

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azure pine That makes ZERO sense and ruins vamp lists

Vampire lists ~quickly become unplayable without this in flex factions since theres no convert cool down

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Town would literally just not be able to outpace the converts with just the vote

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I am also 90% sure the faction cap doesn't actually exist given monster mash

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Old monster mash

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Even if im wrong about faction cap, my first point still stands

azure pine Mar 21, 2026, 7:10 PM

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willow palm Town would literally just not be able to outpace the converts with just the vote

TKs still exist and are usually in play. Assuming this change were to go through, youre instead hit with a single convert you can use for the whole game before becoming a mafioso. Which can destroy the entire team if not used PERFECTLY

azure pine Mar 21, 2026, 7:11 PM

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willow palm I am also 90% sure the faction cap doesn't actually exist given monster mash

It can be added if true, I don't see a big problem

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Vampires also have to lynch another vampire to redo conversion, assuming my change, which can be a risk

willow palm Mar 21, 2026, 7:12 PM

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azure pine TKs still exist and are usually in play. Assuming this change were to go through...

TKs
...half of which cannot easily kill vampires
All of which can die or themselves get converted beforehand

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Yes there is a guaranteed town arso

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It has to hide to avoid getting converted
If it doesnt hide it gets ritual'd

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Anyway

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Its also just
Conversion faction balance 101, dont let the conversions outpace town's vote

willow palm Mar 21, 2026, 7:14 PM

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willow palm Yes there is a guaranteed town arso

Oh theres also a jailor i somehow missed it

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Aww_Tano

azure pine Mar 21, 2026, 7:15 PM

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You'd have a single convert before having to bus other members. Assuming vamp is lynched. You then have potential TK & TPs. But that's not the main issue

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The main issue is that this would give vamp one (1) convert

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Which isnt the end of the world i guess but a 4v11 isnt great especially with town arso on the opfor

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