#Give last apoc their defense back

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gleaming fable
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mental parrot
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They do get basic defense

rocky mountain
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yeah, this already is a thing

gleaming fable
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they dont

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I just DIED AS LAST APOC

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TO A DEPUTY

rocky mountain
gleaming fable
rocky mountain
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Because it’s a different faction

gleaming fable
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And thats a good reason for solo apoc to be fcked over?

rocky mountain
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Apoc gets defense because they generally get a smaller team

gleaming fable
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pandora is the same size team tho

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...

rocky mountain
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Most Apoc teams aren’t 4 players

honest spindle
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can i actually request that the opposite be done

rocky mountain
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You could. I’d disagree with you though

honest spindle
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okay then can we give last coven defense

rocky mountain
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Also probably not, Shroud should win against a solo coven

mental parrot
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so it’s a pandora issue?

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interesting

gleaming fable
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idec about the detection immunity

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I just don't wanna die to the random ass second deputy

rocky mountain
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Then don’t be sus

honest spindle
rocky mountain
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Apoc roles at meant to be able to act as a solo team

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At least in vanilla

mental parrot
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They are having an identity crisis atm

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well not atm, ever since they were introduced to vanilla aa

rocky mountain
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I’d have to look at the BToS2 reposts to see if the faction is being more as a 1-2 player team or a 3-4 player team

echo comet
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if its pandora then im aftaid thats not a bug

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afraid

rocky mountain
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This isn’t a bug report

echo comet
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right then let me change it

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this change won't happen for pandora 🙂

slate sphinx
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we should give town defense if theyre solo

novel quarry
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we should remove NK defense if they're not solo

rocky mountain
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remove Egotist defense if they are solo

slate sphinx
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give recruits defense if they’re solo

novel quarry
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Give them Invincible Defense specifically

frail folio
gleaming fable
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it was a 4 member team

rocky mountain
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well the Dep found you

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and this seems like a case of bad luck

frail folio
# rocky mountain Apoc gets defense because they generally get a smaller team

This is also wrong, but you aren't coming from the wrong place. Apoc are not balanced for TAA.

They actually get the solo defense clause because they spawn in the solo slot and function as four different NKs wearing a red trenchcoat when you're playing something like JR.

it just so happens that it's pretty useful in TAA where Apoc spawn in teams of two more often than not.

rocky mountain
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What is "the solo slot"?

frail folio
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So long story short: Apocalypse are always intended as a team of 5. (3 Apoc, NP, Town Traitor). But in JR they spawn in the NK slot, so they need that defense.

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If you check the JR list, the RN slot is actually "RN-RA". It adds Random Apocalypse to the intended NK slot. So Apoc can spawn in regular JR, and they have no team.

Historically Apoc has always been that weird hodgepodge of NK roles and walking atomic bombs, so the solo defense clause allows them to fulfill both roles without ruining either JR, or ApocTT.

frail folio
rocky mountain
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This discussion is more about when the apoc starts with a team but then their team dies and they are the last one left. I was more advocating for that mechanic rather than they starting with defense when spawning solo

frail folio
rocky mountain
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k

honest spindle