#Make Coven Leader (or its abilities at least) a Coven Outlier role

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restive ridge
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is changing roles in an already tightly knight team which already has enough stuff to make alot of plays to win / confirm each other ect and adding 2 more unique abilities into that really normal role territory, might need a new Cpow role first tho (Hex master - Witch bucket)

tribal meteor
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Honestly Hex and Witch actually need to be more like CL

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As in, actual centralizing Coven roles

jovial plinth
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Eh, Hex and Witch fit the CPOW criteria anyway, one ticks a kill off the list as long as the Hex Master stays alive and is also astral with Necronomicon, and the other forces roles to use their ability on someone, blocks info and gains their role, including controlling War, Pestilence, Werewolf, etc.

brazen umbra
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Witch does NOT fit the Cpow criteria lol

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If Witch started off as a CU no one would've batted an eye

jovial plinth
brazen umbra
jovial plinth
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yo keyword: tos1

brazen umbra
jovial plinth
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also back then, Pestilence and etc used to have control immunity

jovial plinth
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dawg

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all your examples are in the past

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give a modern example

brazen umbra
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VMer's a good modern one

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vote manipulation on a utility role

jovial plinth
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ok well we all know VMer belongs in CPOW, the vote control is unfair

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it's just a free extra kill per night practically

brazen umbra
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gave you a modern one and you went "well that one is a Cpow we ALL know this"

jovial plinth
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yes, that modern one I agree with, if you didn't catch that

brazen umbra
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I can say the same about Witch being a CU because "we all know that"

jovial plinth
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I'm not disagreeing

jovial plinth
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imo, getting a role, blocking info and controlling even the most dangerous roles in the game belongs in CPOW.

weak adder
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Witch is lowkey meh in town lists (so basically most modes) and crazy cracked role when considering neuts/apoc

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Wanna know why? Cus control is pretty much just a roleblock to most roles

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For town it does nothing different from rbing with the exception of tk+jailor interactions

tulip pewter
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Witch is just a bit of a weird role

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Coven has so many weird roles lol

weak adder
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Fr, I haven't had a single good idea as to why Wildling is a thing outside of very niche settings

tulip pewter
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Like yeah I think it’s just louder poisoner unless you’re facing neutrals

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I also don’t honestly love an evil faction designed to have numbers having a role which mainly exists to deal with opponents

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I guess the main thing is always “witch vigilante lol” but it’s kind of a one off interaction like Witch isn’t much more special than a poisoner outside of that

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And info I guess but ¯_(ツ)_/¯ other roles do that too

tulip pewter
weak adder
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It's just funny how most situations would rather have smth else over witch

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Getting roles is better as PM, as it ain't loud and doesn't immediately out what the CPOW bucket is

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Stopping abilities can be done by pois

tulip pewter
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I mean don’t get me wrong witch is probably stronger than other coven even still but like

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It’s just kind of random honestly?

weak adder
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Oh no it deffo is, it's just not really that good

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Ironically the best case for witch is for them to be rec cus it's the only cov role that can completely control the rest of the cov team lol

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I say this cus I lost a pjr game where rec witch brought cov from almost complete domination to instant loss by controlling us lol

lyric field
brazen umbra
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those roles are rather difficult to fake without an ability that imitates them

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thing is, it hardly works. Tracker and LO claims are usually hard confirmed pretty quickly as either those roles or the evil claimbag version of them (PB, Wild, WW sometimes)

granite sonnet
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It also works somewhat well with Ritualist

wise hazel
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Honestly I'd say it's on par with necro in a way