#[REWORK] Executioner is feeling a lot less funny and a lot more quirky

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Executioner (Neutral Evil)

Attack: None
Defense: NE

Gatekeep (Passive)

  • At the start of the game, you are assigned a random Common Town player that's not Amnesiac as your target.
  • Your target will have Invincible Ethereal Defense until you die. If attacked, they will not learn this unless they were protected, and will die if you switch targets or die yourself.
  • If an evil player attacks your target, they will learn who they are, what their role is, and that they are Gatekeeped by an Executioner.
  • Your target is susceptible to Deputy shots.

Gridlock (Passive)

  • Upon achieving your win condition, every Town player is Gridlocked for one night, being unable to do any actions.

Gamble (1️⃣, 🌙, 🛡️)

  • Instead, gain a new random Common Town as a target.
  • Your initial target will lose their Invincible Ethereal Defense and your new target will gain it.

Win Condition:
See to your target getting killed.

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Updates:

  • No longer frames
  • Deputy can always shoot the Executioner's target
  • Evils no longer learn info from visits and visiting, only from attacking (direct or indirect)
  • Invincible Ethereal Defense -> Powerful Ethereal Defense -> Invincible Ethereal Defense
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Potential changes

  • Make targets have Invincible Ethereal Defense
  • Make it so evils who visit or are visited by the target learn their identity and role
  • Arso, Baker, PB, War conditions
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bronze laurel
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if the target gets attacked, do they get the generic "Someone attacked you, but your defense was too high" message?

inner stirrup
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I never get why people want to add a frame ability to Executioner, I feel like it should go out on the field and push their target themselves

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signal quail
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The if evil players visit is way way to good

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Wdym?

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inner stirrup
# reef star Solely Deputy

If it's just for Deputy then make it a special interaction ig
"If Deputy specifically uses their ability on your target, they will hit"

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inner stirrup
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Though special interactions moment

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I'm not a fan of special interactions, but a frame ability is worse

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Exe now has two role-specific interactions lmao

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Amne and Dep

inner stirrup
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Gamble is truly a midgame rng moment

POV: you rerolled onto an even more confirmed townie because you got unlucky

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Worse in this case being dying or revealing the evil player or smthn

main mango
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Get killed by town meaning any town aligned roll causing the kill? If so then yeah that sounds fine enough

inner stirrup
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bronze laurel
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exe randomly winning N1 because the target walked into a veteran

inner stirrup
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Exe winning due to Town Death absolutely obliterating their target

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A non-branded adhesive bandage nerf is to have it so the target is assigned d2

bronze laurel
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that doesnt really fix it since town can also walk into a Veteran at a later night

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Fair

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Only solution to that is making Vet Alerts Ethereal Attack lol

signal quail
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inner stirrup
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signal quail
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With the framing gone, this is genuinely 10 times better btw

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OG version was a wall of text that could be simplified to "Exe but it has a two time evil barrier"

lilac delta
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Ehhhhhh

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This makes not turn jester which is good

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Yeah sure whatever I like this

tidal fiber
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Me when I’m Arso and I waste a night dousing the exe’s target and lose because I ignited the exe and the target lived:

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” If you die, your target loses their defense on the same night/day.”

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It’s an edge case but it can and will cost an Arso the game

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Unless that’s already the case

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Since it says “once you die”

inner stirrup
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What if Exe put the attack on hold if the target would have died
Exe dies before target being attacked: they stay alive
Exe dies after an attack: the target dies to the attack that night

hot flare
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I don’t like the invincible etherial, if exe’s target is killed by unstoppable then they likely deserved to lose, it means an Apoc revealed, or Arso doused enough to warrant a ignite, either way the exe had plenty of time

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smaller nitpick I don’t like exe being “loud” to evils if they attack target

silent mason
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no mention of jester 🔥

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anyways Executioner target surviving Starvation with this one

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Fun fact I made that the clause solely because of Arso lol

signal quail
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Fourth if you want to include the Vet clause

past gazelle
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If a Pilgrim is the Executioner target it should turn into Mayor Mayor

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what happens if your target disconnects (or somehow dies by something else) btw

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not that it really matters just wondering

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past gazelle
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ok Yar

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inner stirrup
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The exe target can now survive DCing

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True!

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Actually DCing is an Unstoppable Town Attack

inner stirrup
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New executioner strategy: ragebait

cosmic kettle
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silent mason
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yes it does

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Starvation deals an Unstoppable Attack.

cosmic kettle
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silent mason
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Pestilence also deals an Unstoppable Attack

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The only attack in the game that ignores defense entirely is disconnection.

cosmic kettle
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Oh huh!

silent mason
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and MAYBE Executioner torment

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never seen an invincible townie get tormented

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so like

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WAIT THAT SOUNDS LIKE SOMETHING FUNNY TO TEST

silent mason
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Jester can theoretically survive Boredom if they have Invincible Defense

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Feelin Lucky

  • Vamp bites Exe target
  • Vamp gets hung (so exe target gets basic)
  • Pray
cosmic kettle
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summer drift
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summer drift
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Here's the thing about that

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Also I find Exe target surviving Starve REALLY funny

summer drift
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If Arsonist wants to troll and give you a free win: Well, Inquisitor can just get free wins.

Secondly, currently your executioner is just like specifically anti-apoc. If you're playing the long game (your target is a Vigi and you need to wait to hang them) well you're hurting evils by making the Vigilante almost invulnerable by design, but you still need their help to hang him late game.

Half of the Apoc don't work like that- they just sit and then they go boom. Then you lose with Town.

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Hmm, fair enough

cursive tendon
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This is good, I must admit I feel exe’s main problem is how confirmable roles are

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Which this helps to fix so eh I don’t think it’s perfect but it’s better than current exe

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summer drift
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Just to demonstrate my point, I unfortunately have to dig into the dephts

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Take something as vile as Apoc JR (but idk- Ne/NP ify it)

Your target is a Vigilante who shot the PB so you can't hang him until Apoc have maj. Berserker cannot kill him, Baker cannot starve him, and the second Death turns you're now a townie puppet.

And in something less heinous like PJR, you're still very much trying to find and eliminate Death if your target cannot be mislynched.

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Definitely winning with Warlock is the best way to avoid stupid situations

summer drift
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We NEED 13 more specific role interactions

summer drift
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New role interaction: Your target can be the Pacifist

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summer drift
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awful

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So in summary

Ethereal Powerful, you win when your target dies, Arsonist just cannot douse him because you're the Executioner and you don't like fire

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that is my top suggestion

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# summer drift that is my top suggestion

To me, Death is probably the worst case scenario, but War, Pest, and even Famine seem like fair tradeoffs to me

There could also be a conditional where "if the Exe dies or changes targets and the target was dealt an Unstoppable Attack at any point, the target will immediately die"

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To avoid some wacky scenarios

uneven elbow
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Uh

cosmic kettle
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Switching targets and being lynched should not cause the attack to trigger

uneven elbow
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Has anyone pointed the defense out

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Your target goes from powerful ethereal to invincible

cosmic kettle
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And it should do an equal level of attack as the original attack

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cosmic kettle
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Ohhh that works too

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And Death

cosmic kettle
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Yes I like that

signal quail
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this makes it so evils get way more value out of hanging you than the target

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unstoppbale fixes arso issue

still hinge
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I like the tweaks so that it doesn't neuter arso

gilded hawk
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dont make it kill them just make it do the most powerful attack you saved them from

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If your target was attacked at any point in the game, you dying or switching targets should kill them

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Yay

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YAY

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Poll bump moment

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Update

Exe target, if attacked previously and saved by Exe's scum shield, dies if Exe dies or switches targets

gilded hawk
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gilded hawk
gilded hawk
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Didn't care to specify

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Its implied

gilded hawk
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well

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just because it's implied doesn't mean like 5 other people will point that out sooner or later

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or think you can get amne

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Well, I'm be waiting on the 4 others who will

gilded hawk
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fresh bestowing us with another goat post