Plaguebearer (Apocalypse)

[tranquil rune]

The Plaguebearer is a Neutral Apocalypse role that can spread the Plague, eventually transforming into the Pestilence.

Plague is spread across the town by anyone you visit, the visits of infected players, and anyone visiting you / an infected player. You will receive feedback on which players are infected at the end of each night phase.

What are your thoughts on the role?

• How strong is the role compared to other roles in their faction?
• Do you think the role is fun to play as?
• Is the role fun to play against?
• Do you have any experiences or stories with this role to share?

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i do not have a headache

[marble mason]

this guy makes me sick :c

[orchid fossil]

pb is fun not as pestilence though

[orchid fossil]

it should have an option to turn into pestilence cause sometimes it loses you the game

[orchid walrus]

Swingy as hell for transformation, and doesn't really do much to affect the game as PB.

[drifting turtle]

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Kinda eh?

[peak jacinth]

Plague will now spread through whispers so you can consistently transform D3 by whispering everyone

[drifting turtle]

If you try and lead by playing as a ti you'll kill every evil and all the attention will be on pestilence

If you become passive town will tunnel passive claims

[orchid walrus]

I sure do love having my transformation speed tied to set-up RNG and actions outside of my control

[drifting turtle]

Still miles better than baker

Playing pb is like playing uno meanwhile playing baker is like trying to win the lottery

The only good apocs imo are sc and bers

[orchid walrus]

SC when there's visit detection role(s) that confirm half of the town as not death:

[somber kindle]

me when i claimbag

[normal acorn]

in a weird, twisted way, the strongest apoc when solo

[drifting turtle]

Still better than warlock which relies on how willing a townie is to sentence someone to death

[somber kindle]

warlock is just SC with MORE luck somehow

[normal acorn]

It feels weird seeing how this role is disliked, I think it's quite powerful

also seeing 80% of the players gain a green splot next to their name is TikTok hype moments aura stimulating

[somber kindle]

it feels weak when solo, that why (tbh I prefer solo bers)

its better to transform late than early

and all of the things u can claim are very scummy when pest emerges

[worldly mica]

Poetic…

You are un-fired

I love plaguebearer

Pestilence not as much

[normal acorn]

same lol

[floral violet]

To swingy with transforming

The amount of times I have had the last player be an unconfirmed veteran is ridiculous

Also, sometimes there's just not a lot of visiting roles

[peak jacinth]

Plaguebearer buff: Veterans start infected (idk they got infected in the war or something)

[floral violet]

Also, I can't remember, do we talk about their transformation separately or not?

While it is the easiest to transform, it's also like by far the worst transformation

And the main problem with it is the value the others get either from their transformation or the value that they get before their transformation

Like Baker was given great utility in btos

But it also has a strong transformation with a team

Pestilence gets visits which outside of multiball Isn't that good considering tracker/lookouts usually just hang upon transformation

And people will just stop visiting which is nice and all but tis will continue to visit

And sure you get kills but it takes too long to get access

SC/wl utility doesn't come into play that often But they have an insane transformation

Bers is kp and war is good

I personally think the best solo apoc is SC or wl (don't know wl very well)

[somber kindle]

i love being hidden solo sc

1v1 Death emergence

[floral violet]

With the other being hidden solo mayor

[somber kindle]

ive seen it

i mean, not w Death

but ive been solo mayor faking jester (very few town)

and won the 1v1 vs a number of evils

[limpid grove]

Imo best designed NA as far as fitting both a solo and factional role go

Bers feels weird in a faction and more solo oriented

Baker and SC feel oppressive in a faction but kinda weak on their own

PB hits a nice middle ground, Pest could use a slight buff but nothing earth shattering

[peak jacinth]

The suggestion I keep hearing is making it so performing a visit also increases your stacks

[normal acorn]

the suggestion I keep hearing is to make it so plague stacks come passively (also bumping up the kill threshold by one or two)

the person I keep hearing it from is myself btw

[slow wyvern]

i like PB

he gives info

and i like that

[rugged grove]

Ok so, Plaguebearer.

Easily my favorite role in the entire game (excluding Vampire), Plaguebearer gets FUCKING INSANE information on all players once it’s rolling, which might take a night or two. Unfortunately, as someone else has said, it depends too much on other players being bad with visits for it to be good.

While Plaguebearer is absolutely my favorite acolyte, Pestilence is the weakest horseman to rise. There needs to be a buff to Pestilence that makes it a threat and not able to be weaponized by town.

[floral violet]

imo weak info

[rugged grove]

HARD disagree

All visits and visitors is crazy information when most actions are loud

[normal acorn]

I mean, in regards to "bad with visits" I kind of get but unless the rolelist is something like ATT (or any other apoc oriented rolelist) I usually don't think town messes up visits that bad

[somber kindle]

My main issue with it(and all info oriented roles) is that it’s really irritating to play against as a different evil (because why not out all the NKs to conf yourself), but at the same time as soon as you transform you die instantly

Most times the only thing I see solo pb accomplish is sacrificing themselves to give town a freebie win

[orchid walrus]

My problem with evil information is that town already has no reason to lie, hide, or misdirect evils, so "evil information" gets to be redundant when it's not in a multiball list

[somber kindle]

Exactly

[orchid walrus]

Even then, "outing other evils" isn't a really good niche imo

[somber kindle]

So it just ruins the game for other evils

Lookout but it’s always on you and it has Defense

RIP CK

[rugged grove]

The thing is that Plaguebearer, with almost no exception besides ATT/Apoc centered lists, the Plaguebearer would be soloist in a multiball with Coven, you have to balance lynching other scum and getting town lynched while knowing everything that’s happening behind the scenes

If you don’t claim tracker/Lo you can usually get away with A LOT more

[normal acorn]

claim vet that conveniently alerts when no one visits

[rugged grove]

Unfortunately some people think Claimbagging is the answer to everything

[somber kindle]

Even if it’s not tracker or LO

Any ti is scum

And if you don’t claim ti, it’s really scummy to just randomly push every evil

[rugged grove]

Not once have I been lynched or mislynched for reading scum in tos, btos(1/2) or tos2

[somber kindle]

When I’m evil and somebody claiming not TI starts pushing me , I usually assume their somehow in the know

[orchid walrus]

The problem isn't appearing scum, it's appearing like an actually smart townie, the evils will eventually find out and use their "NK deleter" tools

[rugged grove]

Yeah, I agree with Vagabond here

Eventually, if you are a threat, coven will shoot you: that fails? You’re dead anyway, prepare for the incoming conjuring.

If they don’t have a conj they’ll just out themselves once you have risen and fuck you then

(Even tho it’s throwing, people don’t give a fuck.)

In a perfect world coven loses EVERY. Soloist remover tool they have

[somber kindle]

All they really have now is Conjurer

[orchid walrus]

Even then, coven can afford to lose a member outting them when it comes to horsemen, the horsemen cannot

[somber kindle]

Rit can’t kill if you’re revealed

[glass lagoon]

Hopefully not a bad idea

[vital moon]

Plaguebearer

[civic fox]

My favorite apoc role. Too bad seer being astral is gonna nerf it a lot slowing its transformations

[leaden tiger]

Plague needs to do something, even if it's very small to have some kind of impact regardless of being solo or not.

Baker has that exact same issue with bread in vanilla, at least here it can use 3 types of bread to have an impact solo or not.

[blazing moss]

The transformation is kinda weak compared to other apoc and inconsistent. I also don't like the silver bullet it has when jailor jails them

[civic fox]

What if plague nullifies your visits. You still visit but your visit does nothing(sheriff, investigator,coroner,psychic, seer arent affected)

[worn zenith]

You mean Random Apocalypse surely. What's this neutral

[floral violet]

For some reason apoc is called neutral apocalypse

No clue why but that's what it's called

[worn zenith]

Most perplexing

[worldly mica]

Not in modded I’m p sure

Unless I am but a fool

[tranquil rune]

fire rhymes !!

the alignment is called neutral apocalypse in vanilla atleast, not sure why modded would change it

in the title i kept it the same for continuity with the baker post

[worldly mica]

Really long story

Which I will tell!

Apoc was originally just soloists, but with one mode (four horsemen) where they could spawn together

Hence why they were supposed to be solo neutral roles like tos 1 PB was

This obviously got changed pretty quickly so that they were a faction in all modes

Initially with modded this was the push as well so it was rebranded to simply “apocalypse” since they were meant to be a faction

Now in vanilla it’s back to being more neutral focused by default which is why it’s still NA there, but… the 4H modifier is still used basically everywhere so it’s still a faction in spirit, just officially they’re a cast of neutral roles in vanilla

[tranquil rune]

if u think about it logically... the main factions are town and coven, everyone else is technically """"neutral"""" therefore even tho apoc wants to kill both town and coven they would be """neutral""" from this point of view

[unreal void]

Isn’t coven also neutral then? They all want everyone dead but their main faction

[normal acorn]

I am proud to say I was amongst the many who pushed for Horsemen not to be mutually exclusive

[tranquil rune]

well no cuz the game is around town vs coven right, everyone else irrelavant thus "neutral" yknow, you can think of it like good vs evil (even tho town is NOT good or more accurately good and evil are social constructs ong fr) and then besides this main show you have everyone else who either can side with one of these factions if they want or want both factions dead, either way defined as "neutral"

[unreal void]

Oh true I guess

[normal acorn]

My headcanon is that Coven are just literate and hates illiterate people, that's why they kill those who oppose them with books.

• Rit writes in a book with a quill
• Inside of Conjurer's meteor is a library
• Jinx is a library cat

That's the true reason why Poisoner lost their one time Poison, it didn't fit the literacy narrative

[worldly mica]

I can personally confirm this as true

[peak jacinth]

"Well if you're not gonna read, I might as well do this..."

[floral violet]

I can understand why we want the coven gone