#Witch Buff (Yoru)

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tall stone
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• Changed to a Coven Utility role, and so no longer eats up the CPow slot.
• Now no longer Reveals people (even to themselves), so as to not powercreep PM.

Why?

Witch, in terms of power, is in my opinion around the level of a CU role. They act like a mix of a Necromancer and a PM a lot of the time. Let's be honest, Hex and CL are the real CPow roles, Witch is a mental illness.

I recommend implementing this when a suitable PM tweak is found too.

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Also, boiling hot take. All CU roles should have an extra effect with their attack, either directly (witch controlling someone and attacking at the same time) or indirectly (necromancer's roleblock immunity)

timid quartz
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Wildling, Pois, and VMer use their abilities on the ones they attack

sturdy briar
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obviously pm should barrier their target as well

tall stone
timid quartz
tall stone
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I just don't have an idea for that

tall stone
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All of them should have a non-redundant effect that makes the attack unique in a way

timid quartz
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It could even lose Reveal entirely, having Smog and Barrier

tall stone
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discount starspawn

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yeah this would be super OP

timid quartz
tall stone
timid quartz
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Yeah

tall stone
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maybe then

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wait

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what if

timid quartz
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Smog could even give PMer info similar to SS

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since the info isn't as revealing

tall stone
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pm with harmful potion would usually just smog people and with the book they Smoke and attack

fair bobcat
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always witch NKs into ur coven

timid quartz
tall stone
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i think something that isn't smog could be given to it

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in a way that makes it balanced if PM has book while also giving it a relevant effect

tall stone
plucky viper
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tall stone
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plucky viper
tall stone
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:3

fair bobcat
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:3

vast scroll
frosty heron
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This would just overshadow Poisoner

ember snowBOT
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frosty heron
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Why roleblock the Vigilante when I can control them into killing the Jailor?

vast scroll
frosty heron
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Still, in terms of utility, control>roleblock.

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If we stop making a role overshadow another

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Just to overshadow another.

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Then the change might aswell never have been done.

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Control was originally for a npah and not a Mafia/Coven alignsment for a reason.

vast scroll
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NeutralPariah witch for the win

frosty heron
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Idk why bmg had to make it coven

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Rather than just a npah

vast scroll
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still not really a excuse

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but even now tuba wants there to be a replacement instead of just adding np witch

frosty heron
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Plus the cpows ended up being anti nk and current hex master.

frosty heron
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It rewards coven for playing well

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Actually, I might lowkey share the witch rework I had in mind soon.

tall stone
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give criticism

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oh wait

frosty heron
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Me when I have to read

tall stone
tall stone
frosty heron
tall stone
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happy Warlock

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:3

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Anyways

frosty heron
tall stone
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Poisoner does not get overshadowed by CU Witch

vast scroll
# tall stone Poisoner still has a niche

poisoners niche is shutting down others and better fake claims, witches niche is being loud but much more powerful shutting them down and controlling them but no fake claim

frosty heron
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Witch's utility is far more powerful.

tall stone
frosty heron
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Than Poisoner's

plucky viper
# tall stone Poisoner still has a niche

I get what you're saying, but I do tend to agree with them that the ability to claim tav is not good enough in comparison, In fact, a lot of poisoners don't claim Tav so that they can roleblock whoever they want

tall stone
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Pois has 2 different utilities that are fake claimable

frosty heron
tall stone
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Poisoner has some flexibility with fake claims

plucky viper
tall stone
vast scroll
plucky viper
tall stone
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The only thing with Necromancer is it needs resource management through the corpses

frosty heron
plucky viper
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Because if you claim Tav who mysteriously roleblocked the confirmed sheriff people are just going to assume your pois

frosty heron
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Only if they get a tav/soci/pois

tall stone
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Similar to necro

frosty heron
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"Why wasnt soci on the jailor with no tp?"

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"Why did tav rb the seer?"

plucky viper
frosty heron
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Atp, the utility of poisoner becames low to none. Sometimes even negative.

tall stone
plucky viper
frosty heron
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If you get asked to rb a cov

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What do you do.

tall stone
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have someone else take the book

tall stone
frosty heron
tall stone
frosty heron
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Pois cant rb coven

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I think

plucky viper
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Part of the problem with this is I'd say about half the time I don't see pois claiming Tav and with this witch If you don't claim to have, you're just a worse role than which

vast scroll
tall stone
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covens should be able to use abilities on themselves

vast scroll
frosty heron
tall stone
plucky viper
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And now they're sus

vast scroll
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me when I vm my own coven member

tall stone
plucky viper
frosty heron
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Bro wants some robux rn😔

tall stone
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Anyways poisoner does have some advantages and disadvantages compared to witch

plucky viper
frosty heron
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No, just like I said. If you fake tav/soci as pois your utility becomes low to none.

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At that point, why sacrifice so much utility when you can just, have a Witch.

tall stone
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Witch does out

plucky viper
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You could definitely argue that this is a side grade, but it is significantly and I mean very significantly in witches favor

frosty heron
plucky viper
frosty heron
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Plus if you rb someone who is trusted.

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You pretty much exposed pois is in play.

plucky viper
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With proper play I think witch is still a lot better

tall stone
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What if we buff poisoner too

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Or give this witch another small nerf to balance their abilities compared to poisoner

plucky viper
# tall stone Could be the case...

I do think that this is overall an interesting idea, but it would need a slight Nerf or something but the problem with the Nerf of something like oh it can't witch evils pretty much only applies in multi-ball which doesn't fix the issue in non multiball

plucky viper
vast scroll
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so just

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drag witch

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to NeutralPariah

tall stone
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Because witch is in a spot where they are undeniably easier to use than CU roles, but also not strong enough to justify being in CPow

plucky viper
vast scroll
plucky viper
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I'd be very happy to make it a np if we got another cpow

tall stone
plucky viper
vast scroll
tall stone
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Hexing basically kills another person later

vast scroll
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wheres that gif

tall stone
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but anyways this suggestion isn't about that

vast scroll
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ye I dont really agree on witch cu

tall stone
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what small nerf could reduce Witch to around Poisoner level

vast scroll
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its just too much of a powerhouse role

tall stone
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...

vast scroll
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Witch is arguably better than poisoner no matter where you put it

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At least power wise

tall stone
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what if we make controlled people immune to being witched forever

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...i think it would be too polarizing

plucky viper
vast scroll
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now thats just too punishing

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I wouldnt mind a witch-sidegrade CD

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that does silent redirection in favor of deception

plucky viper
tall stone
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maybe the nerf I suggested + thaf

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that*

plucky viper
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I think witch is is like the only role that exists right now that could be made silent

tall stone
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so the witched people don't know they've been witched

tall stone
plucky viper
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Though it wasn't very popular

tall stone
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I like the concept but not on witch

vast scroll
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I like the overhauled version imo but it probably would be its own role

tall stone
plucky viper
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One of them was the vote manip and the other was the silent

vast scroll
tall stone
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i would need to make a biiiiiiiiig suggestion though

vast scroll
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call it The Switcharoo

tall stone