[BUFF/REWORK] Mayor can enact unpopular bills that can provide the Town some support

[warped ore]

Mayor (Town Government)

Attack: None
Defense: None

Reveal (☀️, 1️⃣)

• Reveal yourself to the Town, gaining an extra vote today and every subsequent day.
• If you are Roleblocked, you will not gain a vote that day.

Bill (🌙, ♾️)

• Choose a player to pass a Bill on at night, weakening your position in the Town in exchange for an action being done.
• Each Bill costs 1 vote to cast.
• You cannot pass a Bill if you would end up having less than 1 vote.
• You can pass multiple Bills in one night.
• The Bills that can be passed have the following effects:
  • Misappropriation: Grant a player of your choosing Powerful Defense for one night.
  • Prohibition: Prevent a player from doing an action at night, Roleblocking them.
  • Espionage: Bug a chosen player at night, getting Spy results.
• This is an Astral Visit.

Attributes:

• Getting Roleblocked prevents you from getting an extra vote, but will not prevent Bill.

JOAT Mayor 😨

[floral remnant]

Tavern Spyric

[blazing bone]

The image is peak

[paper vine]

TPs are leaking into the TG bucket too now

Honestly what if all TGs had someone sort of win con mechanic

not just pacifist

[warped ore]

For the life of me I couldn't think of a good mayor rework/overhaul so I went the boring JOAT mechanic lol

[warped ore]

"If Mayor gets 7 votes, Town wins by dusk"

Realistically all you can do with it

[paper vine]

Please no more clickbait thumbnail vote accumulation mayor :(

[warped ore]

no promises

[paper vine]

although have people actually made thumbnails with the new mayor yet?

[warped ore]

Honestly? Vote accumulation wincon doesn't seem like a bad idea

[paper vine]

My mind thought "what would botc do"

[warped ore]

instead of a set number of votes, how about 1 more than what's needed for putting someone on trial

I.e. if there's 3 players left (needing 2 votes) Mayor wins by Dusk after having 3 votes for a day

[paper vine]

botc mayor is honestly kinda not bad of an idea lmao

but not 1 to 1

if the mayor is the last town alive, they win

There's not much else you can do with mayor since it needs to have a distinct niche to be a proper rework imo

[warped ore]

In theory, Mayor can win a 1v14?

Assuming someone thought it was a funny idea to make Mayor the only Town role in play

[paper vine]

yes

it’s the list maker’s fault for making that possible

[warped ore]

If that's Mayor's wincon, what would Mon's wincon be?

[paper vine]

It’s not the town death one someone made

Maybe you gain the ability to pass three bills and the third one is your win con

[warped ore]

I'm assuming the idea is that Mayor loses Reveal and their extra votes as well?

[paper vine]

I mean, it’s not really a requirement to lose

because what else is mayor going to do

[warped ore]

fair, but it could potentially lead to some quite unfortunate losses for Coven.

Imagine if the last roles were Mayor, Cleric, and three Covenites (for example sake)

Mayor reveals, Cleric and Mayor votes up Coven 1

either:
Coven kills Cleric, Mayor wins, or
Coven attacks Mayor, fails to kill them, gets outvotes, Mayor wins

[deep flame]

Mayor now has bills

he can’t evade taxes anymore 😔

[paper vine]

kinda sucky isn’t it

that’s the tradeoff for utility

[warped ore]

guess so

[paper vine]

which is why most concepts don’t work

[warped ore]

Wonder what could be done for Monarch

[paper vine]

I guess revealing would lose you the passive

[warped ore]

that would probably work

[spark granite]

good concept but other mayor rework ;c

[wary heath]

You guys are forgetting about all any

I don’t think this is that good tbh it’s just other people’s abilities stapled onto mayor

(JAILOR)

[warped ore]

JOAT Mayor indeed

I wanted to suggest a Mayor buff but couldn't think of anything else to give it lol

[glacial seal]

Holy shit

[wary heath]

steal from botc idk

[warped ore]

Holy guacamole

[glacial seal]

This is basically what jailor does but better lol

[wary heath]

What if Mayor worked like Cult Leader from botc

Nothing could go wrong right

[glacial seal]

Espionage is jail chat
Prohibition is jailor super RB
misappropriation is jailor's jail

[wary heath]

Except these abilities aren’t stronger than their base

They’re 1:1

[glacial seal]

Fair

[warped ore]

the way to make this role amazingly great and cool:

• Make Prohibition prevent day abilities and work differently from Hangover (to allow infinite stalling)
• Make Espionage give you the role of any evil your target visits
• Make Misappropriation grant you Powerful Defense through to the next day as a fuck you to Conjurer

[deep flame]

how is misappropriation jailor’s jail

oh

nvm

I thought you were talking about the jailhouse for some reason

[thorny trellis]

Fresh I stg you are only making reworks bassed on how funny the image would be

and the worst part is it fucking works

[warped ore]

This suggestion's kind of mid ngl, but the image is definitely peak

[glacial seal]

Jailor's jail gives powerful defence I think

Doesn't stop pestilence or war

Does it?

[blazing bone]

It just gives UO

[paper vine]

Yet in aa who wins is list dependent anyways

so who cares

[sand birch]

i dislike the idea of a JOAT mayor

i also dislike jailor

also this has gaining votes

a kinda stupid mechanic which makes mayor kinda braindead and problematic in TT

which is just, it gains more and more and more votes

[unkempt inlet]

Also the current mechanic rewards early reveals, which is not how you should be playing Mayor

And plus by the time +3 votes overcomes +2 votes, it doesn't matter

So it just makes mayor ass at what he's supposed to do

[twilit token]

Eh I find this unnecessary, at least at the moment like I’d like to see how campaign mayor plays out first and if it needs any buffs/nerfs or if it just doesn’t work out

But of all the Tgov I think Mon needs the most help rn as I think it’s far harder to both define and extract Mons value compared to Mayor and Paci

[paper vine]

Monarch wins games, Mayor never wins games lol

idk why people assume monarch sucks over mayor

[unkempt inlet]

Yeah monarch wins games... For evils

[deep flame]

cannot retract knights

[paper vine]

That only matters for witch and beginners

[unkempt inlet]

Me when Mon knights TT because they bussed 2 teammates

[paper vine]

Me when Mayor exists and does nothing except get themselves hung first for existing

[deep flame]

people will make mistakes this is a social deduction game

I know you really like to heavily punish mistakes but +1 evil voting power is… a lot

[twilit token]

The both act as force multipliers for a losing town, mayor is just straightforward monarch takes a lot of effort to truly not screw up and even thrn then the payout is not that high considering the downside

I just think that for as technically ok as monarch is the role is aggressively punishing for messing up

[paper vine]

This is something I keep track of and monarch definitely has more moments where it causes a win for existing

[inner dragon]

Ppl sleep on mon's built in defense man a town role with permanent defense is insane

In order to get that with any other role you have to permanently attach another player to them and even then killing the tp removes it

Like yeah u can kill the knights but thats generally much harder that's 3-4 kills before you even get to the monarch since the tp will be on the knights

[twilit token]

Eh it’s nice but pretty much every faction has some kind of powerful+ attack in a form making it less useful

My issue with Mon is not that it provides bad value because its value is actually pretty solid

My issue with Mon is that knighting an evil is genuinely worse than killing a townie

[inner dragon]

I mean yeah, powerful attacks exist, but if mon had perma powerful defense that'd be ACTUALLY broken. The basic defense is generally perfectly good for 80% of role lists

[twilit token]

Again as I said Mon is a decent role it just faces such an astronomical consequence for messing up

Especially because I don’t think it’s value is strong enough to be worth that downside consider Mayor and Paci but that’s just imo

[deep flame]

i think its worth mentioning that Mayor and Pacifist dont really have a downside (except in TT modes)

Mayor just gains votes; their only downside is voting wrong really
Pacifist's downside is just being useless and unconfirmable
Monarch's downside is possibly giving evils a permanent 1-2 extra votes, while being near useless themselves if that occurs

[twilit token]

Paci actually does have a fairly large downside

In a 5v4 (or any equivalent save a 2v1) If a Paci protests and gets hung town loses majority for pretty much no reason

[deep flame]

actually wait thats true oopsie

ok so Mayor is the odd one out

[twilit token]

It’s more that Paci actually does kinda make up for its downside as an alt wincon can be REALLY strong sometimes

(See the 4hm TT vid where town would have lost if not for Paci)

Like my thought is

Paci = High risk, High reward

Mayor = Low risk, Low Reward

Mon = High risk, Moderate reward

Issue is that it’s reward or risk needs to go down imo for it to stand properly

[wary heath]

I’d say Mayor’s downside is revealing itself to everyone