#Coroner (Town Investigative)

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cerulean wadi
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The Coroner has been reworked in BetterTOS2, now being able to create a suspect list to find evidence faster once kills start happening.

Autopsy (♾️)

  • Each day, choose a player in the graveyard. You learn the exact role which killed them & they are added to your autopsy list.

Examine (♾️)

  • Each night, choose a player. They become a suspect. At the end of the night, if the killer of one of your autopsies is a suspect, you learn that one of the suspects is a killer, but not who.

The Coroner can learn exactly which roles killed players, and can slowly track down the killers of autopsied players.

What are your thoughts on the role?

  • How strong is the role compared to other roles in their faction?
  • Do you think the role is fun to play as?
  • Is the role fun to play against?
  • Do you have any experiences or stories with this role to share?
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misty pier
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way too op

lofty hatch
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hi nuggy

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that's my contribution

hollow oar
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It's okay as is, but I think it could be better

unkempt stratus
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how is it OP ?

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i think it'd be OP if it still learned exactly who killer is

lofty hatch
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I feel like @misty pier was making a joke

rare lake
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Oh it doesn't?

hollow oar
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I think it was sarcasm?

rare lake
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Damn

hollow oar
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Idk

unkempt stratus
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no you only know if one of suspects is

lofty hatch
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No, you just learn if a person was on the list

unkempt stratus
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or none

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for each autopsied killer

misty pier
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yeah i was being sarcastic

lucid adder
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Still has the same problem as always: being an inconsistent TI

misty pier
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like how people joke about coro being tpow

candid axle
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I've played two games with it, one where I was the first death, and another where I just kinda sat there for the entire game and watched as the Doomsayer guessed me as Coven only to learn I was actually Coroner who couldn't do anything

misty pier
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i think murder should be given in coroner instead

spring jasper
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coroner approved

misty pier
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invest would still be strong with just tresspass

hollow oar
spring jasper
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What is the difference between this and vanilla again?

lucid adder
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You spawn in a Grace Period list? Useless until N2
Evils fail to kill during the day/night? Gotta wait another night for a chance you fill the autopsy list
Evils do kill but that killer dies during the day? Now your autopsy is useless

candid axle
spring jasper
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i guess thats cool.? give my man blood

candid axle
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So if you Autopsy someone, you'll examine everyone you've previously checked

misty pier
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that kinda sucks

spring jasper
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give him a gun

candid axle
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True!

spring jasper
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and name him avenger

candid axle
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TRUE

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This is a Doomsayer react for me

spring jasper
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that explains nothing and a lot at the same time

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Anyway I never liked coroner ability wise its just very boring and its just a less-impactful invest

misty pier
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why theDoomsayer react

spring jasper
lucid adder
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What I'd want for Coroner, if that ever happens;

  • Take Murder from Investigator and give that to Coroner
  • Let Coroner keep an Autopsy list, but they don't learn what roles kill someone anymore (accounting for Coven and Secret Killers)
  • Combining points 1 and 2, examining a killer based on your Autopsy list no longer tells you their role, but you will simultaneously know if that player is a killer and has committed murder on the same night.
candid axle
lucid adder
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So if alpha coroner had murder

winged pecan
spring jasper
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lol

opal cypress
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"We have Town Power at home"

Town Power at home:

spring jasper
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who how and when

misty pier
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what if sheriff was like seer

lucid adder
candid axle
lucid adder
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What if Coroner was like Trash Collector?

misty pier
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i mean like sheriff doesnt know what inno and sus is

grim totem
misty pier
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sheriff probably doesnt need a nerf

lucid adder
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Sheriff's in a good spot imo

candid axle
grim totem
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Unless it was a hard faction checker

misty pier
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but it would be interesting if some ti get the seer treatment

grim totem
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Like detective!

lucid adder
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Ehh idk

candid axle
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Like detective!

misty pier
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so it would be too weak?

grim totem
lucid adder
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Current Seer isn't weak, but it's nigh useless until you get at least two nights of results

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Which is kinda funny

grim totem
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otherwise it's just adding an unnecessary skill/intellegence cap

lucid adder
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But it's just another handicap to an objectively busted form of information that only makes the role more of a pain in the ass to play.

misty pier
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and the cultist cant even have the book

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cuz grace deletes the book

lucid adder
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I think Sheriff being able to hard confirm people N1 in Grace Period lists is a big problem

misty pier
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instead of just letting them keep it

lucid adder
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GP should let Coven have the book, but lock out the attack

silk cave
misty pier
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hot take: grace period is stupid and doesnt need to exist

silk cave
lucid adder
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I'm fine with Grace Period; some rolelists are improved with it.

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It just needs its holes patched out and it would be a goated modifier.

silk cave
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Hot take: The idea of Sheriff is bad

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Like the concept

spring jasper
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kedieoduwioieu

spring jasper
rare lake
spring jasper
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yes we

misty pier
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it just doesnt work in tos

silk cave
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Sheriff is a balanced role in terms of strength but in design philosophy it kinda

vivid basin
silk cave
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People complain about forcing 1f1s

lucid adder
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And at the same time, at least you're guaranteed to actually play the game instead of getting sniped N1 all the time.

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So GP does have its merits.

misty pier
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voodoo master silencing retri and then dying n2 really contibuted to this game

lucid adder
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I was gonna point out how the discussion of Coroner has derailed in so many ways, but Coroner is such a meme it's inevitable.

cerulean wadi
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yeah shocking how could u all not stay on topic

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shameful

misty pier
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coroner is tied to grace period

lucid adder
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Coroner is a true Town Power: Has the ability to cause their players to talk about other TI issues

cyan bloom
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What a weird way to type Poisoner

lucid adder
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Amnesiac:
Retributionist:
Necroma- yeah actually, not really

silk cave
candid axle
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Like All Any

cyan bloom
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so like

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not the best

candid axle
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Guys I think All Any is the best rolelist with two Any slots in the game

lucid adder
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Necromancer is such a strong role it's kind of hard to defend it, but I'd be a moron for not acknowledging the fact it has the same issue.

cyan bloom
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Guys are we typing in the all any topics thread??

misty pier
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whats wrong with being a book mule?

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conj is a great book mule

candid axle
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I think the Any bucket needs a small rework

lucid adder
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You want to play a role for its dedicated abilities, having the book should be more of a bonus.

misty pier
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what rework does it need

cyan bloom
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fr

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its any

vivid basin
candid axle
cyan bloom
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its supposed to be bs

lucid adder
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Even if you give Wildling the book, it doesn't change the fact it's a bad role on its own.

vivid basin
candid axle
vivid basin
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Seems reasonable

silk cave
humble falcon
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good lategame info

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easy earlygame mislynch

edgy sail
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The only Town Deception role

crystal grove
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towngovandexec react because it's TPow

river hedge
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Coroner n1: 6 inno

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Coroner n2: 7 no crime

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Coroner n3: 8 high energy

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This is better than vanilla coro though

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But still kinda weak?
But It can have it uses sometimes

gilded onyx
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Vanilla coro bad, modded coro mid

vivid basin
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Unfair that it gets to both be a tpow and a tgov

river hedge
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Coroner n4: prosecute 14

grim totem
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We were already talking about making examine find murder instead of invest, not to mention that idea has been around for quite some time now

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as creative as the current one is, it’s still doing nothing until night 3 in GP

sand trellis
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It’s better than people think but still worse than the average TI

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Coroner is very gamemode dependent and honestly has more average use than Spy I find but even still it’s not particularly strong

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The buff was nice but runs into the same issue Tresspass on invest does lategame where at somepoint pretty much everyone will have Tresspassed in the sense that at somepoint all available players will be examined so of course one will be a killer

vivid basin
gritty flint
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coroner is good

cyan bloom
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Next discussion better be Poisoner

vivid basin
cerulean wadi
cyan bloom
cerulean wadi
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Coroner + Enchanter interaction having a great time

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crystal grove
cerulean wadi
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We don't question what was going on with coroner

cerulean wadi
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And nothing else

candid axle
cerulean wadi
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Yeah you used to only be able to check for the killer of one specific person at a time 😭

cyan bloom
cerulean wadi
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Oh my god LOL

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I forgot exactly how it worked. I thought it was just an objectively worse version of tracker tbh

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Both of them require you to both find & abandon dead bodies tho which isssss

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Interesting on paper but doesn't work

cyan bloom
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The "current" version allows you to inspect a body and then you can infinitely check people if they killed them

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with no time limit unlike tracker

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Tracker and Coroner were bad, only in VC lobbies they had some merit

gilded onyx
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Coroner (C tier)

Power (D tier)- You're so fucking slow at getting information, first you can only add one autopsy per day so if multiple evils kill in one night sucks for you, hope you find the evil that night and too bad if you checked a killer that isn't in one of your autopsies yet. Number 2 is you ONLY get information about killers, you can't find soul collector, arsonist, 3/4 of the coven unless rit or conj use their ability, can't find any nes besides pirate and the only apoc you'll realistically find before dying is berserker. And the worst part is when no one dies you have no ability whatsoever so you kinda just sit there with a thumb up your ass, at least modded allowed you to check suspects before anyone died so you have something to do. Dear god what were BMG thinking when making this role.

Fun to play as (F tier)- The abobe shown issues make this role pretty boring to play, it feels like someone starving you on purpose and then only giving you tiny bread crumbs to eat.

Fun to play against (A tier)- At the very least this role can't find that many evils unlike other tis and doesn't 100% clear townies of suspension so hey, good job coro at being a low priority kill for most roles!!!