Conjurer (Coven Killing)

[strange pebble]

🔥

[earnest niche]

Well Fang Gu just makes any outsiders more interesting by existing

[strange pebble]

wait this literally happend in my game

my Fang Gu got dreamer sniped N1

[earnest niche]

And to that I say Fang Gu very much for existing as a demon

[strange pebble]

and got exed

[graceful valve]

ethefake defork? New defense leaked?

[broken zinc]

so it's actually r

[vocal edge]

Fang gu is BTOS SK but actually balanced

[earnest niche]

It has been here the whole time wdym smh

[strange pebble]

true

[earnest niche]

Fang Gu is just awesome

[strange pebble]

Fang Gu is based

[earnest niche]

Fang Gu might be my favourite demon

[graceful valve]

Also, hello nuggy ||the horse||

[broken zinc]

someone just blood on the clock tower reacted this thread LOL

[strange pebble]

I just wish it couldn't make untraceable jumps with Pit Hag

[earnest niche]

Hello!

Wait

NOOO

[graceful valve]

:)

[earnest niche]

True but also we had a game where we transformed and jumped to tuba antics N2 because he walked into our evil chat so uh actually this should stay because it means we can troll tuba more

[strange pebble]

wait Nnuuy you're a horse that's actually awesome

[earnest niche]

NOOOO

FALSE ACCUSATION

[broken zinc]

skill ceiling moment

[strange pebble]

:Invincible Defense

[earnest niche]

cooc how could u lie

[broken zinc]

I've lost to that once btw

[strange pebble]

I never lie

[graceful valve]

You can’t escape it, you admitted

[earnest niche]

u ALWAYS do

I CAN ESCAPE ANYTHING

I AM FANG GU

[strange pebble]

I totally didn't just say I love lying like 10m ago

[broken zinc]

but my counter play was to let the mayor win so

[earnest niche]

DIES

[broken zinc]

town threw

[vocal edge]

Like create a mutant and then jump to them?

[strange pebble]

yeah

the same night

so theres no way to know

[earnest niche]

It is true tho perhaps that's a bit strong

[vocal edge]

Oh, wait pit hag acts before the demon

[earnest niche]

Tbf pit hag in general is just like the minion of SNV

[strange pebble]

yep !

[earnest niche]

By far the strongest

[strange pebble]

Pit Hag is so stupid I had to ban it in my recent script

[vocal edge]

That should probably change lmao

[earnest niche]

If pit hag isn't in play it's quite a town sided script imo

[strange pebble]

The gimmick of the script is Kazali + every minion on script

[earnest niche]

If it is in play then it becomes quite evil sided if the pit hag is insane enough

[broken zinc]

I remember someone suggested making CL into pithag

LOL

[strange pebble]

true !

[earnest niche]

Tbf the current CL IS inspired by pit hag

[strange pebble]

I like solo won a game as pit hag

[earnest niche]

That's what tuba said

[broken zinc]

I had ana idea where necromancer could turn players into dead roles

[strange pebble]

I made a good evil twin

[earnest niche]

LOL

[strange pebble]

so when my demon got exed in F4

[earnest niche]

No wait

[broken zinc]

so if you want to hang expendable town then L you

[graceful valve]

THATS AWFUL

[earnest niche]

Waiiittttt

[strange pebble]

I made the last good player a Demon

[earnest niche]

Hang on a second

[strange pebble]

so F3 was Demon + Twins and we won lmaooo

[earnest niche]

Is that cookery?

[broken zinc]

I haven't seen it in play yet

[graceful valve]

Nuggy is a horse

[earnest niche]

TRUE

I AGREE WITH THIS STATEMENT

[untold swallow]

Yall are still yapping about conj?

[earnest niche]

uh IF U REMOVE THE SECRET

[strange pebble]

no

[earnest niche]

NOOO

[strange pebble]

what's a conj

[earnest niche]

NOOO I DONT

[earnest niche]

...yes definitely

[broken zinc]

downside: "omg this role makes you into pilgrim bad role unplayable game"

[strange pebble]

yes nothing to see here it's all about conj

[strange pebble]

no BotC or anything

[earnest niche]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

NOOOO

[strange pebble]

Nnuuy t's okay we accpt you as a horse

[vocal edge]

It still has the problem of not being fun to be on the receiving end

[untold swallow]

Conjurer number one fan isn't here smh

[strange pebble]

Horses are awesome and you're awesome so it makes sense

[earnest niche]

/ BANN DAAXOLOTGL BOI FOR 100 INFINTIE HOURS FOR BEING CRIME

[broken zinc]

counterpoint: get good

[earnest niche]

NOOO

[graceful valve]

Aww :(

[strange pebble]

Vamps was reworked because it sucked to roll Jailor then become vamp

[earnest niche]

Idk

[vocal edge]

Counterpoint: I don't like roles that are just "have an objectively worse version"

[earnest niche]

Make a legit suggestion out of this

[broken zinc]

Okay, I'll do it later

[earnest niche]

Idk I get what people are saying as well I think that needs discussion tho bc I think that's actually interesting

[untold swallow]

What if conjurer's identity was revealed when they hit a transformed apoc

[strange pebble]

it would be nice to have Necro not just be evil ret

[earnest niche]

NOOO

I HATE TOWN OF SALEM DISCUSSION GO BACK

[strange pebble]

uuuh

[vocal edge]

Pit hag works because BOTC encourages you to interact with the game, even if you have no ability

[strange pebble]

Nnuuy favortie Botc Role

[earnest niche]

uh uh uh uh woah guys isn't goon such a silly role haha wow

[earnest niche]

True as well

[strange pebble]

true !!

[vocal edge]

TOS is entirely role based

[earnest niche]

Well also because

BOTC you want to play with friends not strangers

So you're inclined to interact with them more

[strange pebble]

fair

[earnest niche]

TOS you aren't going to get as much meaningful interaction which is why it's so much less socials based

[untold swallow]

I don't wanna socialise with friends

[earnest niche]

It's not something wrong with TOS but that's a big part of why people hate not having abilities

[vocal edge]

My brother in Christ, why are you playing a SDG then

[untold swallow]

Cuz i like the deduction part

[vocal edge]

Go play a puzzle game then lol

[strange pebble]

ToS is waaay more fast paced so there's less time for social

[earnest niche]

demon bluff !

[broken zinc]

People complain about modded among us roles if they aren’t entirely game changing or have a kill button

[strange pebble]

DEMON BLUFF !!

PEAAK

[untold swallow]

I kinda lost the ability to socialise since covid

[earnest niche]

Peak? As in the game where you climb mountains?! Wow I love that game !

[strange pebble]

if ToS2 was socials based I'd get lynched every game for claiming Spy because I keep doing that as every evil role

[earnest niche]

I feel like thinking this way kind of locks you into being like that

[untold swallow]

Ik 💔

[broken zinc]

Judge claims sheriff like 24/7

[earnest niche]

Socialising might not be easy but it's possible for everyone, even if it's scary or difficult at first

[vocal edge]

Doesn't that get boring fast

[strange pebble]

I get games where I claim spy for the 3rd time in a row with basically the same lobby and no one notices

[strange pebble]

eh

[earnest niche]

Don't let yourself think you're not capable of it

[strange pebble]

I liek claiming Spy

[earnest niche]

You're socialising right now after all

[strange pebble]

true !

[untold swallow]

I wann take the initiative but i can't think of topics to talk about

[earnest niche]

You don't even necessarily need small talk or anything

[strange pebble]

clubs are awesome for that because you get to socialize with people that you know are interested in the same thing as you

[earnest niche]

Sometimes just chilling with people is enough

[vocal edge]

Discord is great for finding people with your niche interests

[graceful valve]

True

[regal glen]

Fun fact: I have gotten Pukka 4 times. The only time I haven't been Chambermaid sniped whilst bluffing something that doesn't wake N1 was the time Chambermaid wasn't on script.

[strange pebble]

true Discord is actually kinda cool if you find the right places

[grand gate]

Im more of a spade guy myself

[strange pebble]

Jackal kinda looks like a spade

[earnest niche]

[strange pebble]

Jackal is actually just Lancer

HEY

[earnest niche]

LMFAO

HHAHAHAHAHAHA

I forget how many single shared braincell moments occur

[vocal edge]

Yeah but like clubs are loud af

[earnest niche]

It depends on the club

[strange pebble]

how do we keep doing that 😭

[grand gate]

Brb

[untold swallow]

And also everyone drinks alchohol and smokes

[strange pebble]

whar

[earnest niche]

I don't think they mean like rave clubs necessarily also just like board game clubs or sport clubs or whatever

[vocal edge]

Oh

[strange pebble]

oh yeah uh 😭

not those clubs

[earnest niche]

Also yeah club clubs are full of normies and there are NOT autistic people there, NOT COOL !

[strange pebble]

TRUE

I wanna be where the tism here

my people

[vocal edge]

Yeah but actually finding one, and them not being asses is like finding a unicorn

[earnest niche]

everyone in this server gets a free provisional autism diagnosis ftr I am diagnosed since I was 10 that means I am allowed to do this

[untold swallow]

Why is the Internet obssessed with autism

[strange pebble]

nooooooooooooooo

[earnest niche]

Finding a unicorn is pretty cool tho worth the effort imo

[strange pebble]

because online is much easier for autistic people

[broken zinc]

Autism is cool

[grand gate]

There

[earnest niche]

I just became obsessed with autism when I realised how many autistic people there are and it's not just me

NOOOOOOOOOOOO

[strange pebble]

WHAT

[vocal edge]

Because people became more aware about their own struggles

[earnest niche]

WELL U KNOW WHAT PARCEVAL

gimme a sec

[untold swallow]

Ruh roh

[earnest niche]

also this LMFAO

[strange pebble]

LMAO

[grand gate]

Lmao

[strange pebble]

wait we need the Quorg atheist screenshot

[grand gate]

Welcome to the CENSORED starboard , we got :

[earnest niche]

TAKE THIS I ALSO HAVE BAD CONTEXT SCREENSHOTS YOU ARE NOT SAFE

[grand gate]

I expect worse

[earnest niche]

idk if there even is context for the second one

zamnit

[grand gate]

Diareha

[earnest niche]

omg look I found the time I ran TB and cooc won af

[grand gate]

A sober empath?

[earnest niche]

Yeah

[wary compass]

TE gets turned into coroner...

[earnest niche]

Also the most fucked empath ever because they were 100 miles away from the entire evil team but still LOL

[pulsar wedge]

He's said worse, but they get deleted, probably because of Rule 5

[strange pebble]

this game was awesome

I got to kill the Invest that fought me all game it was peak

[earnest niche]

I remember this omg

[strange pebble]

also the Pride incident

[earnest niche]

oh yes

wonderous times

[strange pebble]

it still gets mentionned sometimes 😭

Nnuuy you should totally come back to the server trust

[earnest niche]

I just have a lot of screenshots at this time idk why

[strange pebble]

ah yes, french, the race vs french, the lifestyle

[earnest niche]

NOOOOO I ESCAPED I CAN'T GO BACK

[wary compass]

I have a feeling i know the result considering I'm already diagnosed with adhd

[earnest niche]

LUL

yeah autism and adhd come together very often

[strange pebble]

YOU DRAGGED ME THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE AND THEN ABANDONNED ME !!

[earnest niche]

yeah ma bad I was just the evil politician

[strange pebble]

(I actually met a lot of cool people so thx for that)

[strange pebble]

true !

gtg wash my laundry don't talk about tos while I'm gone

[earnest niche]

Okay I need to frolick through meadows and eat hay now

what the heck

[strange pebble]

STOP

[earnest niche]

STOP U CAN'T GO AT THE SAME TIME AS ME

NO

[strange pebble]

IT'S MY BRAINCELLLL

[earnest niche]

NO

MINE

[strange pebble]

NUH UH

[quick cypress]

killedb y crus

[earnest niche]

OMG TUBA ANTICS IS HERE

[strange pebble]

the thing about crusader 😔

[earnest niche]

TERRIBLE

I AM GOING TO GET OUT NOW

[strange pebble]

quick hide all the non conj relevant chat

baiii

[quick cypress]

get out

real

[vocal edge]

Anyways, enough BOTC talk, when are we going to discuss real games like bloxstron mystery

[stoic creek]

It barely exists on roblox

with a simple search you wont find it

[vocal edge]

Because it got DMCA'D, again

[stoic creek]

I forgot what dmca is

[vocal edge]

Copyright striked

Basically

[stoic creek]

lol

[ruby briar]

Conjurer in that game is so balanced trust

[broken zinc]

Conjurer is just that weird gray area where it’s balanced in the context of the game its from but not everyone likes the meta of the game it’s from LOL

[hollow turtle]

Truly unfortunate

That had happened to me too

I was

Anyway
Perfection in simplicity

[near rampart]

Daily [botc] discussions

anyway conj fun but should be given the dep treatment (maybe with a compensation buff on top)

[reef torrent]

ALL of my friends prefer clock tower over tos for a multitude of reason, but also, never listen to some nerd who has never played a game talk about its balance.

Going into clocktower with tos brain will make you lose. Because it changes the formula so well that you can't play it the same way.

[bright ether]

@reef torrent has leveled up! (10 ➜ 11)

[reef torrent]

Anyway continue your conjurer duscussion

[wary compass]

Bro why are you talking about conj this is the botc discussion

[earnest niche]

Yeahh agree tho tbf - I think it becomes less beginner friendly if you have experience with other SDGs

You expect the game to work in ways it doesn't

[near rampart]

oh mb.
Legion is the best botc demon and zombuul is the worst

[wary compass]

No clue what you're talking about

[wary compass]

Swap those around and you have a good take

[vocal edge]

Zombuul isn't that bad lol

It's just shit in BMR

[near rampart]

tbh my only zombuul experiences have been bmr, and one game where i got princess, but the wizard wished to become zombuul so i became useless anyway

[reef torrent]

If you have a group full of ToS player playing for the first time yeah. But if the players only experience is werewolf then no.

[broken zinc]

legion is so stressful

[near rampart]

Legion is the closest i have been to actually getting to play as a minion

[broken zinc]

You have to be able to make a story most of the time or else people will become paranoid of legion

[earnest niche]

I think Legion is probably one of the more advanced roles

[south crypt]

i remember you me and slayer was minion

[earnest niche]

And yeah if your group isn't like expert overall it will just be a standstill

People are too paranoid to do anything

[south crypt]

legion sucks if the team is too passive

[earnest niche]

U need a group who can do stuff in spite of paranoia

[near rampart]

i do not count that game.....

[broken zinc]

If you're just going dododo I'm just going to claim random shit and confirm the other legion then you're going to get outted easily

[earnest niche]

Being good on a script with legion is stressful

Nobody wants to do everything everyone is stressed LUL

[south crypt]

i should have just told every good player that they were the mario in a legion game

[near rampart]

ive had this once, didnt even think it was legion for the majority of the game and just stumbled on the right answer lol

[earnest niche]

surely that works

same experience LOL

[broken zinc]

I remember losing because the aurora thought they were evil and it was 4v4 and infy was NOT happy about that

[earnest niche]

Good won because the boomdandy confirmed which minion it was

So we realised only 1 player could be the demon

[near rampart]

i was evil and i wasn't happy about that either LOL

[broken zinc]

everyone agreed that the traveller had waaaay too much control over that game

[south crypt]

whats aurora

[broken zinc]

even though good deserved the win

[south crypt]

imagine being evil gunslighter in a legion game

[near rampart]

a traveller that doesn't know their alignment, each night they learn if their team is winning, and they might wake alongside other players

tbh if the ST literally showed me someone becoming the fang gu i would assume i was evil

[broken zinc]

I was like "do we really need a traveller in a potential 4v3"?

[south crypt]

thats just weird

[broken zinc]

because you basically force the traveller to be good if it's potentially 4v3

[near rampart]

yeah i feel aurora needs bigger player counts

[broken zinc]

but the traveller STILL thought theyw ere evil

[broken zinc]

and also not to wake up with the demon

[south crypt]

does goon know their alignment?

[broken zinc]

why is the traveller having full control over who wins

[earnest niche]

Travs can be very strange

[south crypt]

is being a goon fun?

[broken zinc]

Probably

[earnest niche]

Depends on who you are

[broken zinc]

idk

[earnest niche]

I think so

Other people don't like it but

[near rampart]

the one time i got goon there were literally 0 characters that could turn me evil

[broken zinc]

I would claim goon but I feel like I am going to lose if I do that

Like I might get revenge converted

or something

[near rampart]

the only evil characters were godfather -1 (never wakes while im alive) and zombuul (pretty much never wakes)

[south crypt]

what do you think of philo goon

[broken zinc]

OH geez

[south crypt]

just adding an extra outsider

[broken zinc]

that would be such a middle finger to good

[near rampart]

that game where i was philo PG i was tempted to go goon. If i got shab rezzed i was 100% doing it

[broken zinc]

I threw that game even though I scumread the demon

rip

[south crypt]

and remember that i begged you to nominate

[near rampart]

i mean i spent the whole game not really contributing cos i thought i was marionette, and only found out i couldnt be when the ST mistake was resolved

[south crypt]

why did you think you were the marionette?

cuz i told you?

[near rampart]

i mean maybe that helped cos it would be funny

but no

the savant info had 4 people waking, so one of the waking claims had to be demon, then no dead TFs made me think i was a non-tf who thought i was tf

the world where i was broken's demon had 0 contradictions, and broken is defo the kind of person to not tell me

[south crypt]

are you gonna storytell the next game

i am already bored of this one

[broken zinc]

One thing that annoys me is if the storyteller lies or trolls

[south crypt]

fucking zombuul

[near rampart]

idk whats gonna happen after the wb game, i might either rerack if people want to, or take a break from botc to get some work done

[broken zinc]

I’ve gotten to the point where I started checkinng the grim and threads early

[south crypt]

i might need a break too

[south crypt]

like how bendan said exing the ST in a philo atheist game would result in a good win

[broken zinc]

Yeah I’m not playing atheist with that group again sorry

I hated the experience

[near rampart]

ngl if someone went philo atheist i would be very clear that "the 'good wins if you exe the st' part of your ability is removed, and only exists on starting atheist"

[south crypt]

have you ever actually played a game with atheist in it

[broken zinc]

I just like conciseness and I felt lied to way too often

[near rampart]

yeah a few, one where everyone was given a different script, and one that kinda just felt like a normal game

[south crypt]

i think in the wiki philo atheist does have that ability

[wary compass]

Wait wouldn't it?

[broken zinc]

My teammate did NOT need to lie to me about night order

that was cringe

[vocal edge]

ST can break the rules moment

[south crypt]

it would but bendan decided not to

peak kingmaker moment

[near rampart]

tbh i kinda don't like how atheist games always revolve around "is this specific player telling the truth"

[wary compass]

Did they at least tell them before they chose atheist and let them not

[broken zinc]

The Conjurer is a coven role who can kill even some of the most protected members of town in broad daylight.

Conjure (1️⃣)

• Conjure a meteor during the day to deal a powerful attack to a player.

The Conjurer can kill any player* during the day, allowing them to take out one high priority target any bypass any forms of defense. The best counterplay for town is to confuse the evil team, by fake claiming & baiting the conjurer.

What are your thoughts on the role?

• How strong is the role compared to other roles in their faction?
• Do you think the role is fun to play as?
• Is the role fun to play against?
• Do you have any experiences or stories with this role to share?

-# *except roles with invincible or powerful or powerful ethereal or invincible ethereal or unreal dethereal or ethefake defork or rerork depork or john pork or salamander james or john crumb defense. Yes I know. I KNOW !! I KNOW!! I KNOW!!!!! I DON'T CARE!!!!!! I KNOW CONJURER HITS A BRICK WALL IF THEY TRY TO NUKE THE EGOTIST CORONER I DON'T CARE AHHHHHHH

[vocal edge]

It seems like bendan is an ass ST when it comes to athiest games lol

[south crypt]

a game with no evil team doesnt sound very fun

[vocal edge]

It turns BOTC into a puzzle game, rather than a SDG

It still can be fun

[broken zinc]

it’s still social

it’s just moreso with the atheist and st

Atheist seems fun but the experience I had was miserable

[near rampart]

ngl i defo misplayed that one game with the philo athe, i told myself it was either atheist or veil in one specific place when we had time to test both, but just couldnt be bothered to test both

[south crypt]

being cere mad as atheist sounds cool too?

[broken zinc]

LOL

ceremad as atheist

[near rampart]

marionette atheist 🔥

[wary compass]

That sounds so messed up

[vocal edge]

Yeah but, unless you're cerelocked since n1, almost no one is going to believe that atheist claim

[broken zinc]

I think this stuff makes atheist a more reasonable role

[abstract elk]

My favourite roledep with

dep with no shit aim

best role oat

[broken zinc]

if you can doubt you are atheist

[near rampart]

no dashii poisoned atheist (trust there is nothing wrong with this)

[south crypt]

drunk atheist sounds really mean

[broken zinc]

If you can just fc it then it's just people sitting aroudn until they inevitably believe the atheist claim

[broken zinc]

It's kinda good to know that atheist applies before setup

At least

[south crypt]

damsel is always poisoned in spy games right?

[vocal edge]

Spy and widow games

[south crypt]

and poisoners ability makes you poisoned till the dusk

[near rampart]

i kinda like that custom jinx with grimpeekers and damsel where the damsel is replaced by a diff role on the spy grim, and the damsel learns which

[vocal edge]

They would be double poisoned

[south crypt]

so does that mean the poisoner remover poison after that?

[broken zinc]

Just give damsel the pacifist bluffing ability, it definitely won't create 1f1s

[south crypt]

where can i find botc scripts like tb or snv or bmr

[broken zinc]

the wiki

[south crypt]

i only found these three

are these the only official scripts?

[broken zinc]

yeah lol

I'm pretty sure

[golden herald]

where can i find botc scripts like teams true all any

[south crypt]

you mean whalebuffet?

[vocal edge]

Whalebucket moment

[south crypt]

though it doesnt have teams

[grand scaffold]

Ohhh conjurer discussion
looks inside
botc

[vocal edge]

That's every discussion though

[grand scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-gatineo-cat-love-gif-21796586

[south crypt]

conjuror is just an evil golem

[broken zinc]

We can talk about this horrendous discussion from a while ago

involving basic attack conj

[quick cypress]

🍿

[south crypt]

teams botc:
Evil and Good both have a demon: If a demon attacks another, the attack is redirected. The demon who dies first loses

good and evil know each other

[vocal edge]

Conjurer should just whiff on any thing that has an innate defense of basic or higher

[south crypt]

and are split into two equal teams

[late python]

legion:

[south crypt]

Do you wanna make it cu or what

[broken zinc]

#1371903350429192333 message

We were discussing whether or not conj should get the meteor back if they hit defense

Gone wrong

[south crypt]

hows it legion

[broken zinc]

People got cancelled

not clickbait

[wary compass]

I just changed my suggestion to be that pretty much

[south crypt]

anyway, i dont think conj requires a nerf

[broken zinc]

also dang frog detector left

[vocal edge]

Mfw when I instantly lose because a conjurer existed

(I just have a massive skill issue)

[south crypt]

should have killed them first

[wary compass]

Yeah, definitely not the highest priority at the very least

[vocal edge]

You can get conjed d2

[wary compass]

Shouldn't have voted a mode with Grace

[south crypt]

conj shouldnt be killing targets with defense d2 anyways

[vocal edge]

They shouldn't be killing them period

[south crypt]

you shouldnt nerf an entire role just because of few bad players

[broken zinc]

That's just how it is with multiball

another team throwing can cause you to lose

which almost every list has multiball

[vocal edge]

"bad players" my brother in Christ, Conjurer nuking the NK could be game winning, especially in the end game

It's still +1 day until evil majority

[south crypt]

rit suffers from the same problem

[vocal edge]

And? It shouldn't either

[south crypt]

you dont want rit to have basic attack do you

[vocal edge]

Rit shouldn't be able to guess neutrals

[pulsar wedge]

Make Ritualist do a Basic Attack to Non Town aligned players

[south crypt]

this just screws over jester

and every other ne

[wary compass]

Well, the issue isn't the bad players. It's just that it makes neutrals even worse

[pulsar wedge]

Don't get ritted as Jester then

[vocal edge]

Tbf, fuck jester

[pulsar wedge]

Don't claim NE if the Coven will want you dead

[wary compass]

Better idea. Just don't rit the jester???????

[vocal edge]

Jester can still fuck over the coven

[wary compass]

Push them as just and don't hang them and you look really good

[south crypt]

its still better to kill a town

[wary compass]

I assume that probably works

It's worked for me against an exe as pest

[vocal edge]

Yeah but why give them the option to do that

[south crypt]

rit buff: give them the doomsayer ui, and whover role you guess right gets doomed

[wary compass]

No the exe didn't push like day eight. I was just playing pandemic

[wary compass]

That is most certainly a visual buff

But doesn't that also just like a mechanical nerf

[vocal edge]

That allows them to delete neutrals better

[wary compass]

Oh god no

[vocal edge]

You only need their faction

[wary compass]

Hell naw

[south crypt]

hows that anerf

[south crypt]

u just need to know they are a killing role or not

[wary compass]

I was thinking tos2 doomsayer style where it kills them a day later

Which I don't think would be a bad Nerf by any means

Cuz Rick is quite strong

[south crypt]

but you can doom 3 players at once

[pulsar wedge]

Rick

[golden herald]

make rit have to guess two players at once

and then they die the following night

[wary compass]

I was not including that part. I thought you meant like against one player

[vocal edge]

My brother in Christ, neutrals shouldn't be able to removed from the game unless they are hanged or make a mistake

[wary compass]

Yeah

[wary compass]

They made the mistake being in a game with kevins

[pulsar wedge]

Ritualist now has 3 Blood Rituals, but using all 3 makes them die of Blood Loss

[vocal edge]

"leaving X role alive" isn't a mistake

It's like saying taunt trickster was balanced because "you can just kill them"

[wary compass]

Yeah the mistake was voting for a list with Kevins

[wary compass]

Or saying A jailer with 37 exes who can chain jail and exe after townies

Is balanced

Though I have to say, one of our examples might be a little more drastic

Also, I don't mean this in a sarcastic way I'm agreeing

[blissful pilot]

daykills are anti-fun

[pulsar wedge]

What

[south flare]

just a harmful visit?

no attack whatsoever?

[near rampart]

no more "screw you neutrals" now its "screw you bodyguard"

[broken zinc]

Conjurer’s attack is 2 (powerful)

[golden herald]

it should be 1

[broken zinc]

It's 2 so it pierces through some of town's defensive actions

Neutral Killing could just have powerful defense for all I care

[vocal edge]

Bg moment

[golden herald]

but how can they kill each other in AA now!

[broken zinc]

neither of those are a problem so it honestly sounds like the best solution LOL

in the context of where this came from

[noble jay]

none of this makes me wanna play the game

😭❌

[wary compass]

On and screw you coven

[edgy sluice]

Conj is balanced in a vacuum it’s biggest issue is neutrals because all NK and most NO just lose if they die making Conj disproportionately strong against them

I do find it comical that we got a daily discussion on Conj and eve before roles like Seer, or Coro who have gotten actual changes in Btos

[wary compass]

Yep

[broken zinc]

counterpoint: botc makes me biased in favor of all those modifiers

[ruby briar]

counterpoint: that just means you’re going insane

[south crypt]

ghost town is also unlimited and does NOT work in multiball

[broken zinc]

If you can ensure it's town majority then it's no different than having normal kingmaker

[noble jay]

consentpoint: it's blood on the clocktower because people bled their sanity on the big ben aka a clocktower

[south crypt]

that was me

[old axle]

This should just have its nuke be downgraded to Basic and not play the animation if it misses; ala Deputy.

[noble jay]

but

the

https://tenor.com/emrRyedWP9O.gif

is funny

[earnest niche]

Tbf those modifiers almost all suck in TOS

Secret Killers is probably the only one that actually works

[stoic creek]

Blasphemy

[south crypt]

it should have necro passing too

[earnest niche]

Tbf, Lil Monsta is kind of that LUL

Except once again because botc is insane from a tos perspective, the ST decides who Lil Monsta kills and usually will kill evil players so there's only one in Final 3 for balance purposes

[broken zinc]

Hidden roles is funny leave hidden roles alone

[south crypt]

hidden roles sucks in chaos mode

its more fun to see recruited egotist tt doomsayer

[earnest niche]

Hidden roles sucks in every mode imo

TOS is too fast paced for it to work

And it has majority as well

And also socials just aren’t that heavy in tos

So it’s basically just a massive handicap for town

[wary compass]

I'm pretty sure that's everyone's opinion

[broken zinc]

I thought DVIP was funny with it

I found sus but didn’t know if my targets were lying or not

[wary compass]

DVIP???

Duck VIP??

[broken zinc]

Double VIP

[wary compass]

Ahhhh

[broken zinc]

I got a coven, a real inquis claim, and an enchanted tracker LOL

If their roles were revealed that game would be 100x more boring

It was learning what they were after that made it so good

[limpid lark]

I recall seeing a Deputy buff a bit ago where if it misses on an NK and the NK gets hung, the Dep gets their charge back, so imagine Conjurer gets a similar treatment.

What if Conjurer gets basic and no anim for hitting immune, buuuut gets their shot back after a night if they hit immune the previous day?

[vocal edge]

I love being tunneled as NK

[limpid lark]

You're getting tunnelled for being an NK whether the Conjurer gets a recharge or otherwise

[wary compass]

I don't think coven needs any more incentive to tunnel NK

[vocal edge]

Coven shouldn't be directly incentivized to tunnel the NK

[limpid lark]

I think you've misunderstood what I'm saying. Conjurer will get their shot back regardless of whether the Neutral dies or not.

Just the next day.

In my hypothetical

[vocal edge]

It wouldn't be bad but it does just feel like a free "get out of jail free" card

When you just played bad

You shouldn't be using the rock on the NK in the first place

[south crypt]

rock should kill everyone

wdym a meteor only kills 1 person

[vocal edge]

Me when I instantly lose because a CK exists

Oh

[limpid lark]

A) This is to alleviate the main concern regarding Basic Conjurer missing on Neutrals, in that Conjurer loses their one and only ability on a missplay.

B) You're vacuum balancing right now. If this is implemented, Conjurer is immediately incentivized not to bomb Neutrals. This is to prevent it from being too overly punishing for hitting a player you thought was Town but turned out to be Neutral.

The punishment is still technically a wasted day, and another chance of dying before being effective with your ability.

[deft folio]

erm actually 🤓

conj can't kill roles with invincible or powerful or powerful ethereal or invincible ethereal or unreal dethereal or ethefake defork or rerork depork or john pork or salamander james or john crumb defense.

and conjurer hits brick wall if they try to nuke the egotist coroner

bad discussion post smh

[wary compass]

Whut

Was just said

All I now see is newt from maze runner and that I want apple crumble

[ruby briar]

john prok

[pulsar wedge]

https://tenor.com/view/mods-cat-funny-smite-gif-17567204071102087896

[earnest niche]

https://tenor.com/view/tomascore-hell-fire-horse-mad-gif-7810567886981564909

[wary compass]

More evidence to the horse theory

[earnest niche]

What such theory

I have neigh clue what you are talking about

[wary compass]

Once sec I'm making an accusal doc

[sly fable]

this crash out is real

[vocal edge]

Smh this is just assassin but during the day. Which just kinda sucks, since it removes potential world building, if there is SecK and immediately confirms that it isn't a rit game. Having it more like Assassin is just better overall for game health imo. Or at the very least, give it the option to be like assassin

Oh, if you don't know, Assassin's ability is "Once per game, at night*, choose a player: they die, even if for some reason they could not."

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I think it's fun, it allows for tons of plays. Not the most exciting minion on the script, but is always a threat

[earnest niche]

Assassin is very cool

BMR is like. Unfortunately just “potential script”, but like Assassin fits extremely well into every single part that BMR gets right

Kills are information in BMR, so having a character with both utility & misinformation in a single action is pretty awesome

[neat oasis]

no

[earnest niche]

Oh

Ok it’s actually terrible and stinky I agree with zz

[deft folio]

Reply to: @earnest niche
Kills are information in BMR, so having a character with both utility & misinformation in a single action is pretty awesome
This is the reason why I think conj should not be like assassin

In tos kills aren't information lkke the way bmr is

Conj would mainly serve as utility to be a +1kpn

But like having the reactivity during day cooler in that case