#Judge Buff - The Framer NP

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shut leaf
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Judge (Neutral Pariah)

Attack: None
Defense: Powerful (Ethereal)
Disruption Immune: False

Abilities

(♾️,🌙) Subpoena

  • Subpoena a player into Revealing their role to you.
  • You learn the true faction of the player you check.

(2️⃣,🌙) Frame

  • Frame your target, making them permanently appear as a Judge to all Town Investigative Roles.
  • They will additionally flip as Judge upon death.
  • This will not fool direct role checks.

(1️⃣,☀️) Court

  • Works same as currently, but you don't gain an extra vote.
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If Tamper isn't liked, I will change frame to be 1 charge(?), but it is permanent and the player will flip as a Judge upon dying

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Probably would only affect town kills

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And lynches

dull maple
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one of the best nps to one of the fucking worse

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holy shit lmaooo

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let's seeeeee

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auditor, can stop people's roles form working, and already distrupts information form people and can reveal people

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spawnspawn, stops all roles form working, allowing evils to bypass tps, one of their biggest counters and can stop all day abilties once

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and now judge with this rework

charred ocean
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ehhh feels like a watered down enchanter

dull maple
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reveal and frame... i guess he can also trick other people on their death... maybe

dawn sage
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more like sidegrade enchanter

charred ocean
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I think if we want a judge rework we need something with more power

dawn sage
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but yeah this is boring

charred ocean
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not like court overpowered but like a good mix with audit/daybreak

dull maple
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judge could be balanced by changing the unconditional charge to a conditional one

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but idk what the conditional should be

shut leaf
dull maple
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nope

shut leaf
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If evils can successfully get someone up in court, it's already evil maj or there's the same amount of evils as town

dull maple
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literally gamewinning

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if the judge is just stupid and trying to kill the tpow

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but you can use judge smarter

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say like 6v4

there is a 1f1

judge pops

now it's a 6v5 (invotes)

waits for the suspect town to get some votes, and then without much time for town to realise, the townie gets upped

covens kill the next night

then coven wins

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notice how it was never evil or equal maj

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town still had maj

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but judge there made it so town lost

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if you just play judge smart

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and not just go

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"i found tpow i court durr hurr"

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then you can win form alot of unwinnable situations

shut leaf
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I'm aware of how Judge can be used

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I know it can be useful in cases other than getting a free mislynch

naive mesa
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I don't like giving NP facade

shut leaf
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But it's still far less powerful than Hiding info + Stealing charges or free kills

dull maple
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ok so then why lie?

it's already evil maj or there's the same amount of evils as town

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but whatever

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ok fine

naive mesa
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I just feel like framer Judge exists to make being TI a pain in the arso

dull maple
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even if judge is the weakest nps

naive mesa
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BUT

dull maple
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what the fuck does this achieve????

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this just makes judge weaker

shut leaf
naive mesa
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I think deception in NP can still work

dull maple
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im down for judge for getting frames

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but fucking hell keep or make an ability as powerful as court

shut leaf
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So just remove Facade and give it court back?

dull maple
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unsure

naive mesa
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I think facade and frames together is too much

dull maple
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i don't think it's much at all but ok

naive mesa
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the illusionist passive by itself makes it a strong role

dull maple
naive mesa
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that can stand on its own

dull maple
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i just think your entirely wrong but ok

shut leaf
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My other concept is One/Two charge perma frame that makes people flip as Judge if they die to town or lynch

dull maple
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facade is great

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but it's not that great

shut leaf
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It's also now more of a buff

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So