Serial Killer does not belong in Neutral Killing - Loons

[unborn marsh]

Shroud needs a buff, WW needs a complete rewofk

[wind meadow]

what if like bers they can attack after n2

[unborn marsh]

Imo

[tribal horizon]

Arso only suffers from fast games which is moreso a result of Tpow and CK but Btos limits Tpow via TE/TG

[mystic sage]

yeah I'd rather give ww consistent kp

[wind meadow]

or just able to attack n1

[mystic sage]

because anyone with a brain will play around rampage

[wind meadow]

most lists have grace period

[unborn marsh]

Ww and shroud also step on each other's shoes a bit with being nk tracker

[steady jetty]

arso doesn't suffer form it's own abilities, it suffers form other game design in which tos2 and btos2 has reduced HEAVILY

[steady jetty]

also limits CK to 1

[wind meadow]

ww should have abilities of any town role in the day and at n1 and n3

how would that be as a fix

[steady jetty]

no because like

i don't like h ow

like

it's only n1 and n3

[wind meadow]

or just any night

[tribal horizon]

Yeah it’s better in BTOS but many lists either don’t feature an NK or have a very rare chance to spawn in a RN slot so I don’t get to see it super consistently

[steady jetty]

tbf

form what i have seen form ranked

NK is coven sided

due to how majorities work

like normally what happens is that, nk kills too many town by mistake

[wind meadow]

nk is there so that town doesnt steamroll coven due to the sheer majority

[steady jetty]

coven gets nk killed

coven gets majority/equal majority next day

[wind meadow]

coven benefit more from nk than np

[olive isle]

“Equal majority”

It’s called parity

[steady jetty]

does the specific term matter?

you knew what i meant 😭

[wind meadow]

would a 4v4 be coven majority?

[tribal horizon]

Also it depends on the NK as they benafit a ton from WW and Shroud for instance but most Arso ignitions are to end the game

[tribal horizon]

It entirely depends on the roles in play but generally yes

[olive isle]

NK swings the game into one sides favor unless the NK is Arsonist

[tribal horizon]

Like 4v4 is cov maj but if 1 of the 4 is a mayor it’s not coven maj

[olive isle]

4v4 will always be considered parity. However, roles can make it a breakable parity

[wind meadow]

mayor doesnt help them too much since coven can just kill them at night

pros or marsh does regain towns majority reliably

[tribal horizon]

Games are all about context let’s say you have a mayor and a Tav, town hangs 1 cov tab rbs CK then town hangs another cov

[unborn marsh]

Thats why there's the tg te split

[tribal horizon]

Now cov is at a 2/4 deficit

Tgov tend to act as “Situational majority” whereas TE are actual majority

[wind meadow]

relies on tav specifically rbing ck when there is 1/3 chance

[tribal horizon]

Paci is kinda the exception but even then it fits in the perview

[tribal horizon]

Well yeah but the point was more is that in a 4v4 coven most of the time will win

[unborn marsh]

TE is extra kills and TG are just tpow without extra kills

[tribal horizon]

But certain roles or conditions can alter that

[wind meadow]

TE is basically TK+

[unborn marsh]

I personally think we should move mon to TE, Prosecutor to TG, renamed TE to TPOW with a sword, and give all TPOW with a Sword roles a basic attack

[mystic sage]

Werewolf originally was designed around that they got ~2 kills per night, the ISSUE with that is that tos1 players didn't know how to play strategy games

[wind meadow]

WW nerf, can only kill every other night

[tribal horizon]

WW really only can potentially pop off on N2 but ironically enough when WWs get big rampages N2 they tend to get caught off of just simple process of elimination

[mystic sage]

guys Werewolf doesn't belong in NK, it belongs in the shame corner

[olive isle]

True information

[tribal horizon]

Nah only shroud goes there for the very simple reason that WW has a kill animation therefore it’s cooler

[wind meadow]

make Werewolf a faction like the party game

[hexed otter]

You're right, SK doesn't belong in NK. It belongs in Town Killing

[quaint bobcat]

You're right. It is indeed Town Killing, just a different colour

[hybrid zinc]

Is it from the hit game Wolvesville?

[proud pine]

stealing someone's identity irl is quite literally fucking deception

it's the same in here too