#NK reworks (Minus SK)

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mint dove
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This is inspired by Fresh's "Make all NK more like NO instead of making SK less NO" suggestions

Arsonist (Neutral Killing)

Attack: Unstoppable
Defense: Basic
Disruption Immune: No

Abilities:

(♾️,🌙) Douse

  • Douse your target.
  • You passively Douse all players who visit you.

(♾️,🌙) Ignite

  • Deal an Astral Unstoppable Attack to all Doused players.
  • Players who are killed by this will have their role and will Burned.

Shroud (Neutral Killing)

Attack: Basic
Defense: Basic
Disruption Immune: Yes

Abilities:

(♾️,🌙) Shroud

  • Choose a target to Shroud.
  • Your target is told they were Shrouded, and will be seen as the Shroud for this night (Murder/Trespassing, Shroud to coro, etc)
  • This is not a Harmful Visit.
  • You cannot target the same player twice in a row.

(♾️,🌙) Attack

  • Choose a target for your Shrouded target to attack (They will also use their ability on this player).
  • If you don't choose a player to Shroud or your Shrouded player is immune, you will attack this player instead (Could be changed to attack the shrouded player).
  • If your target is Witched, they will attack the person they are sent to by witch.
  • If your target would already attack their target, Shroud will not appear in the cause of death.

Werewolf (Neutral Killing)

Attack: Powerful
Defense: Basic
Disruption Immune: No

Abilities:

(♾️,☀️) Scent

  • During the day, choose a Non-TPow/TK town role to gain the Scent of.
  • You will gain the abilities of that role at night (You can change which role you use throughout the game).

(♾️,🌙) Attack

  • On full-moon nights, choose a target to deal a Rampaging Powerful Attack to.
  • You can use your Scent's ability alongside this, but it will be astral(?).

Notes

  • NKs could become unique?
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mint dove
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Ty Zz

fringe drum
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so shroud is like NK Witch?

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or do they still visit original target

mint dove
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They visit their Shroud target and send them onto their Attack target

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Basically witch that forces kill yes

fringe drum
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mmkay

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unsure how to feel about that

stuck kraken
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Werewolf still somehow manages to be the worst role of the bunch LOL

anyways I like Arsonist+Shroud

mint dove
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They can find other evils or even block another evil's attack or even do something like an RB or UO or visit the graveyard to "conf" themself as ret

stuck kraken
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They can only use town abilities on N1 and N3 right

mint dove
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Any non-fullmoon night but typically a game ends before the next one after N3 so sort of

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I wanna say both N4 and N5 are FM nights but someone conf that

stuck kraken
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there’s always a full moon after N3

edit: accidentally said no full moon

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it’s weird

mint dove
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N1 is not N2 is N3 is not N4 Is N5 Is N6 is not N7 is N8+ idk

mint dove
stuck kraken
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yes

mint dove
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huh

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Didn't know that

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Maybe their ability continues to be used on whoever their N1 and N3 targets visit but they get limited to TI

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idk?

cerulean mango
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Giving Arso a reskinned Stone is a useful buff, but it isn't much of an NO ability.

Giving Shroud the ability to Control people is a pretty Shroud common suggestion, but it's still really weak compared to what SK can do and isn't that much of an NO ability.

Giving WW the ability to choose one-two town roles twice is a common WW suggestion, and could be useful, but it isn't much of an NO ability.

mint dove
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They aren't as crazy as being a skinwalker but I'd say they're NO
Arso - Covering up like 3+ people's roles at a time can cause some crazy chaos
Shroud - Forcing someone to kill for you is fairly NO but then again Witch isn't NO so I can see how it isn't
WW - Becoming a whole different role is an NO ability imo

cerulean mango
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First off, gotta say I hate dumps.

Secondly:

  • This Arso can somewhat cause a little more chaos than current Arso, but it isn't to that big of an extent as you'd think, and definitely not to SK standard.

  • This Shroud's gimmick over regular Shroud is that you can choose who your Shrouded target visits, the fact that it's louder, and the fact that it doesn't affect three TPs (as opposed to being detrimental to them)

  • WW being either a TI, a Tavern Keeper, or a Cleric for nights 1 and 3 isn't it being an NO.

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Medusa and Witch aren't COs, and Amnesiac isn't a TO.

plucky tundra
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WW can use the town ability alongside the attack

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If I understand the post correctly

fringe drum
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I just noticed

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arsonist basically has Medusa's ability

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and shroud has witch's (kinda)

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kinda prefer Fresh's WW and Shroud

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but I hated the Arsonist one Fresh made

versed bough
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Arso should know who visits them

The rest of the Reworks are fine