#Oracle Rework & Cleric Buff

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quartz shadow
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Current Oracle is in a very weird spot where your usefulness highly varies. So why not replace Cleric’s self barrier with Oracle’s aegis ability, and give Oracle something entirely new?
-# This doesn't make cleric a super TP imo. You choose between the abilities, its not like you use both at the same time for ultimate protection.

Oracle rework is based on my Crusader Rework idea:
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-# "Mods, you can see this is a lost cause, so don't pin the message and revive it :beg:" is what ill ask you if its already hidden by a dozen suggestions

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Cleric

-# [ Town Protective ]
-# Attack: None ~ Defense: None

Barrier (🌙 / ♾️):
-# [ Default | Select Player ]
• Select a player to Barrier, granting them powerful defense for the night.
• You cannot Barrier yourself.

Aegis (🌙 / 1️⃣):
-# [ Activate | Select Role ] (Astral)
• Select a Town Aligned role to cast a Barrier upon.
• You cannot consecutively cast a barrier on the same role.

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Oracle

-# [ Town Protective ]
-# Attack: None ~ Defense: None

Intercede (🌙 / ♾️):
-# [ Select Player ] (Astral)
• Select up to 2 players to add to your Intercession.
• Players will remain in your Intercession until you successfully save a player.
• If a player in your Intercession attacks another player in your Intercession, then you will block the specific attack with a barrier.
• You cannot block astral or unstoppable attacks.
• You cannot add yourself to Intercession.

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Could limit aegis to a few charges if you think it makes cleric too OP.

steady onyx
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Idk if buffing Cleric is a good thing. Aint it like the middle ground for what all TPs should be like

quartz shadow
steady onyx
misty lichen
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Oracle is a better cleric with the sole downside of not being able to do the same role twice in a row

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Cleric is now the mega tp

quartz shadow
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Can limit it to charges if needed

nimble onyx
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No

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Thats powercreep

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Dont

quartz shadow
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I really dont think its that OP

misty lichen
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its an objective book

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buff*

quartz shadow
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Fine ill reduce it to a single charge

misty lichen
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half of the time you're being certain you're protecting a townie (or multiple), avoiding disruption, and are not limited by the "not twice in a row" clause

misty lichen
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oracle my beloved

quartz shadow
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"You want a TP that has to guess the roles in a game about VFA?"

misty lichen
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Cleric is a pretty balanced TP already, and really doesn't need to be buffed. Most people consider it the standard

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Oracle is better Cleric, with the aforementioned downside

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out of all the tps I could focus on, it would not be Oracle or Cleric

tranquil escarp
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Wasn't Oracle a suggestion

quartz shadow
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haven't seen it

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maybe deleted idk

tranquil escarp
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I have this vague memory of Oracle being a suggestion by Nunny long ago

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I found this

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quartz shadow
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I saw that too, the original suggestions may have been deleted idk

quartz shadow
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"Inconsistent" says the ranked players

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"TrAsH" says the players who wish deputy has infinite shots

quartz shadow
nimble onyx
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You are removing an unique role and stitching it arbitrary to another

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Thats just not a good design

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Its like if you took dep kit and stitched it on vig

quartz shadow
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Deputy is pretty much just vigi

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  • Cant kill townies (most of the time)
    - 2 less shots
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-# Thats literally the difference

wicked merlin
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Cleric doesnt need a buff

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Also i dont really like the oracle idea since this screws over neutrals

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If you add nk

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They lose

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Strsight up

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*straight

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Unless they hunt you down and find you

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Which will likely take multiple nights

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So you miss your n2 to oracle

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Use n3 n4 finding oracle

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Game's over on day 5

quartz shadow
wicked merlin
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And you killed once on night 1

quartz shadow
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you block the NK, you have to go around and readd everyone

wicked merlin
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Oh im blind

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Still really does screw neuts hard though since they cant get out of it by passing book

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You can pretty reliably slow neuts by half or make them go for really stupid kills

quartz shadow
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Neutrals also cant bypass barriers

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really sucks for them, remove barriers

wicked merlin
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Cleric would be on 1 person alwats

This ora would be on 1, then 3, then 1, then 3

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It's on 3 people half the time (assuming they know the neutral)

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Which in mid-late game you do a lot

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NK is already shit in ranked why are we making it worse

quartz shadow
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also you don't exactly know who they're attacking

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could be attacking you for all you know

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Is there a suggestion cooking thread?

wicked merlin
quartz shadow
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found it

wicked merlin
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There are so many scenarios

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Where the neutral can perpetually force a state of borderline coven maj

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To where of they get hung cov gets maj

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But what if a marsh or vigi pops out and 2 coven die or something

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Then you need to kill a townie

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Or you're next

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But nope cuz the entire lobby is protected by ora

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Not to mention this also makes any late-game with a living oracle an auto win for town

quartz shadow
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Finally you understand the downside of the role

wicked merlin
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Since the last coven can't book pass

quartz shadow
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nvm

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i misread

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Youre not going to get this stacked

wicked merlin
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This just screws over neutrals and lategame evils really hard i dont rlly like roles doing that

quartz shadow
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Im just gonna scrap this suggestion lol, NOT the oracle mechanics though

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You can look through there cause people argued and people answered

nimble onyx
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Yeah the crus idea is good

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The issue is you stitching oracle and cleric together for no reason

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Oracle is a fine role

quartz shadow
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I see a whole lot of oracle complaints

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And I thought “Cleric and oracle literally do the same thing in different ways”

nimble onyx
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People love complaining for no reason

misty lichen
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There is no role that isn’t some form of sidegrade of another

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Roles having similar mechanics doesn’t mean they’re bad roles despite what the elitist ranked players would have you think

nimble onyx
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Yeah similarity is ok as long as one isnt simply a better version of the other

quartz shadow
wicked merlin
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The issue with ora

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Is its basically just bad cleric

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Cant protect 70% of your team most games, complete mislynch fodder, and in exchange, can protect multiple tis if theyre both real

restive verge
gusty bison
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Oracle has advantages over Cleric

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It needs to have the "indecisive" trait to not outclass cleric

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It also gives players more of a reason to not be on the tplo call as a TP

wicked merlin
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The only real advantage is being able to protect multiple people and whiffing on evils

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Which is not worth having indecisive, being non visiting and being unable to protect most of your team

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If coven doesnt go for the most obvious target you usually wont do anything as oracle

quartz shadow
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I’m done making suggestions unless I’m 90% confident in them lol.

quartz shadow
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Play is right and you can pop off every single night.

gusty bison
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and being astral is a buff

wicked merlin
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Cleric is just better though

wicked merlin
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Yeah rampage

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But thats just ww/berz

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*bers

gusty bison
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You can be any visiting role though

wicked merlin
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And with how bers rampages

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Oh also ww

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You cant give them an extra kill

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Since you save your target

gusty bison
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it makes you look better but doesn’t confirm you

wicked merlin
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Theres not many coven roles that would visit a high priority target without the book

gusty bison
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they can just fake doing that

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that’s basically any coven role that isn’t loud

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oracle not visiting also makes them look good

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