All factional evils now win together.
This does not:
Give night chat to oppositional factions (coven cannot talk with sk)
Give evils immunity to oppositional factions (sk can still kill coven)
It simply grants every non NE/Town role the Neutral Pariah win condition.
This includes Jackals and Vampires.
#Modifier: One Enemy
lapis basalt
traitors in salem if it was awesome...
Why? Allows for "compliance" style lists (multiple killing evils) that don't suck ass.
lapis basalt
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Doomsday allows for coordination, which this modifier is explicitly trying to avoid.
There's a distinction
limpid zodiac
you want multiple killing roles but dont want them to know each other?
what kind of list exactly is this going in
all shrouds?
lapis basalt
7 wws vs 8 town or something silly like that
Neutral evils are not included as well.
Where Doomsday is a game mode in and of itself, One Enemy is more of like something you throw into 10v5 lists or vip or silly lists (remember vigilantics?)
raw skiff
One enemy and the serial killer over there
lapis basalt
3 arsos 3 wws and 3 shrouds vs 6 veterans
list you could do with this:
the battleground
1 sk
1 shroud
1 arso
1 ww
1 bers
1 ritualist
1 judge
1 doomsayer
1 coroner
5 veterans
1 marshal
no grace period
haughty kelp
Doomsday ♻️
lapis basalt
Doomsday ♻️
this is different from doomsday...
haughty kelp
I kinda like doomsday better
but maybe that’s because factional doomsayer/inquisitor would be cool
lapis basalt
I kinda like doomsday better
they're for different lists
doomsday is for serious evil cooperation
one enemy is for 4 arsos 4 wws 6 veterans and 1 marshal
also this would make vip less ass
oak bolt
This is just Doomsday but now it's more swingy since the evils can kill each other now
The lists that it's intended for would mostly just require evils to be stupid for town to win
lapis basalt
it's a fine modifier
not as serious as doomsday, but not every modifier is designed to summon an entire game mode and meta into existence
oak bolt
not as serious as doomsday, but not every modifier is designed to summon an enti...
You shouldn't dismiss game balance with "it's just a modifier" since everyone is just going to play two games of it and realize that their effort isn't being rewarded. This doesn't have the same "le funny" factor as something like AA, outliers or fools mode. It's just going to generate the terrible feeling that "I died because X player couldn't see that I was evil and killed me"
lapis basalt
nah it's gonna create vigilantics/lovers-esque lists where its chaos but now you don't lose simply for being the wrong role
oak bolt
And it disincentivizes you to have too strong of a claim, lest you get killed by your own teammates
lapis basalt
once again, chaos modifier for chaos rolelists
this makes stuff like rainbow more palatable to play because you don't get sk/solo cov and lose before you've gotten the chance to even play
oak bolt
this makes stuff like rainbow more palatable to play because you don't get sk/so...
If it's a rainbow game with this modifier, everyone can just confirm themselves as an evil and hang the townies
There is no SDG
lapis basalt
If it's a rainbow game with this modifier, everyone can just confirm themselves ...
except for the nes
and the fact that no one can instantly confirm themselves as evil
and the fact that town can y'know
lie
oak bolt
except for the nes
and the fact that no one can instantly confirm themselves as ...
Ah yes, because town can replicate killing someone or witching
lapis basalt
and besides considering that all evils win together instead of 2 town vs 13 non-town like typical rainbow
just do
5 strong town v 10 non town
oak bolt
and besides considering that all evils win together instead of 2 town vs 13 non-...
Then there isn't really a SDG is there? It's just ability spam
lapis basalt
Then there isn't really a SDG is there? It's just ability spam
how do you figure out who to kill?
oak bolt
how do you figure out who to kill?
The non-confirmed evils
lapis basalt
then you hit arso and die
or hit sk/shroud who hit defence
or hit the na/coven and kill them
oak bolt
then you hit arso and die
or hit sk/shroud who hit defence
or hit the na/coven ...
If they have defense 99% of the time they're confirmed as on your team
oak bolt
then you hit arso and die
or hit sk/shroud who hit defence
or hit the na/coven ...
You're confirming yourself as evil when you kill someone, and if you hit an immune you confirm both you and them
lapis basalt
If they have defense 99% of the time they're confirmed as on your team
if you're ww/bers you'll kill them
arso as well
nes still want to win on their own win cons
there will be a monarch
you could walk into veteran
they could be trickster selfing and killing you the next night
yes tis are fodder but any list with this mode won't have many if any
oak bolt
if you're ww/bers you'll kill them
arso as well
nes still want to win on their o...
How does one enemy improve the multiball list?
It's still just AA but evils won't out other evils
lapis basalt
How does one enemy improve the multiball list?
?
oak bolt
?
Why would you want to put on the modifier when making a multiball list
It just seems to me that it's just AA but slightly different
It just removes evils outing evils
lapis basalt
it's not for aa lists it's for lists where evils are the uninformed majority
5v10, 6v9, whatever your preferred flavor of chaos list is
oak bolt
it's not for aa lists it's for lists where evils are the uninformed majority
But that would be ass to play since all evils weren't designed to be that
lapis basalt
But that would be ass to play since all evils weren't designed to be that
rainbow and lovers are still fun
oak bolt
rainbow and lovers are still fun
For like 2 games
limpid zodiac
rainbow and lovers are still fun
this message provides valuable context to this suggestion
Lovers would be fun if it wasnt so unbalanced
I cannot get behind modes where it feels like wins come purely from random chance or certainty
lapis basalt
the uncertainty is the fun part lol
want skill based lists? casual is right there for every single possible variation on 9v6 in the book
limpid zodiac
I want fun lists with fun mechanics that arent random chance
lapis basalt
I want fun lists with fun mechanics that arent random chance
I have never seen taa get less than 8 votes
lmao
lapis basalt
I want fun lists with fun mechanics that arent random chance
and there are plenty of those
there's nothing stopping this from co-existing with the far better balanced and designed doomsday or despot
but some people actually enjoy stuff like feeling lucky and lovers
limpid zodiac
I enjoy the concept of Lovers, I wish it was better implemented so that everyone could have fun
rather than rolling solo evil and losing d3
lapis basalt
I mean you could probably throw this on lovers and make it 2x better
lapis basalt
now you're seeing the benefits of one enemy
oak bolt
but some people actually enjoy stuff like feeling lucky and lovers
You shouldn't be trying to design unbalanced modes just because "le funny". fools was designed as joke and not an actual mode
limpid zodiac
it doesnt really work with the way lovers currently works though
town + evil would just, win 100% of the time
its like an NP - town lover pair
lapis basalt
it doesnt really work with the way lovers currently works though
but you see why I proposed this
it turns chaos lists from "oh I died n1 and I instantly lose as solo" to
well there's still a chance I win even when I'm dead
lapis basalt
town + evil would just, win 100% of the time
it'd have to be tweaked in lovers but you see the idea of one enemy
it's not trying to be doomsday lol
limpid zodiac
I already upvoted this
im talking about Lovers
I think adding extra modifiers that can help lists are good
lapis basalt
I'm a lovers lover but I think solo evil is its biggest flaw
wait
WAJT
what if one enemy made all solo evils win together in lovers
lapis basalt
You shouldn't be trying to design unbalanced modes just because "le funny". fool...
it's not like there's several intentionally unbalanced modifiers already in btos 2
lovers
compliance
teams
perfect town
ghost town
cvip
immovable
lean jacinth
Doomsday is funnier because NE and also powerful etheral so no friendly fire. also doomsday has a better name
mental fiber
it's not like there's several intentionally unbalanced modifiers already in btos...
congrats
you named 7 intentionally unbalanced modifiers but only 3 of them are
terse ferry
I enjoy the concept of Lovers, I wish it was better implemented so that everyone...
love how the current lovers list:
- on average, has 10 town per game
- splits up all the evils too so not only are they fighting 10 townies, but also other evils
- also in addition to both of these making town's life easier, they also just straight up have evil roles
void pollen
Despot:
Demo
Doomsday:
Full game
One Enemy:
CN version
thin scarab
thats honestly very interesting
lean jacinth
honestly i just prefer doomsday for NE's working with town. executioner's whole goal being myslynch, jester scapegoat, and doomsayer/pirate for more kp