#Community Guidelines for discussion on sensitive topics

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undone grail
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The goal of this suggestion is to set a standard for the healthy communication we allow, versus the unhealthy communication that's not appropriate, particularly for possibly personal or sensitive topics.

First, I need to be clear that personal anecdotes should be respected. What I mean by this is that you should never deny someone’s own experience. If someone thinks they are experiencing something, then mentally, yes, they are. Denying that is only going to make you look like a jerk.

This isn’t meant as a targeted attack towards anyone, however due to the recency, I feel the subject of Plurality is the most helpful example to use.

Not everyone here believes that Plurality is a true condition. I haven’t seen someone explicitly say this yet, though I have seen reactions that seem negative by a few.

While everyone is entitled to their own opinions, nobody should ever attack anyone personally. Respectfully analyzing a position or comment is fine, assumptions are not. However, It's important to distinguish that validating someone’s experience doesn’t imply one must validate someone’s belief. Skepticism is part of a healthy and honest community, and no user should feel afraid to say how they feel provided they do so in a helpful, healthy, and reasonably respectful manner.

My suggestion is that we clarify what kind of debate is productive and allowed, and separate it from the kind of debate that does nothing but get people pointlessly heated.

UNHEALTHY COMMUNICATION (assuming intent, dismissal):

  • “Those who don’t believe plurality are just hateful.”
  • “Plurality is crazy, obviously just attention seeking.”

HEALTHY COMMUNICATION (clear, specific, personal):

  • “I think plurality is real because there’s a vast community of those who can attest to it.”
  • “I am skeptical of plurality because I think it’s a misunderstanding of how the mind works.”

Nobody’s subjective experience is up for debate. Your experiences are your own, their experiences are their own. However, I think we should ensure as a community that users feel comfortable expressing themselves honestly and productively.

Why not just ban discussion on these topics?
Personal or sensitive topics will inevitably become relevant in one way or another unless it is totally erased. A set of community guidelines for respectful engagement will allow healthy communication without frustration or offhanded comments on subjects that cannot be totally erased.

runic thicket
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We're tos players

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We can't read

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But

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This is

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Good?

dry crest
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? i dont get this post, bigotry is covered by rule 9

runic thicket
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Also was my reaction to plurality negative?

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I wasn't sure

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@undone grail ^^^

undone grail
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uh

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I don't remember

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I just know that there was some I'd have to scroll through discussion

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And I don't wanna label people

dire pelican
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This is a weird role suggestion. There's not even a win condition!
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Srsly though, my best idea for this is just to ban anyone whos being purposely toxic? Idk im not really educated on this kind of stuff

dry crest
runic thicket
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Like actually

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I need to know if I'm wrong

undone grail
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I don't wanna

runic thicket
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I'd rather someone tell me I'm wrong than just be silently offended

dire pelican
pseudo osprey
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Holy wall of text

runic thicket
undone grail
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It cannot possibly take more than 2 minutes to read

vale wraith
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we are town of salem players

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we cant read

runic thicket
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I gave up

undone grail
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TLDR; Make guideline for how to talk without being a terrible person so people stop awkwardly making offhanded comments instead of just speaking like a normal, reasonable, respectful person out of fear that people will get mad at em

runic thicket
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Zz can you pin this too

undone grail
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Bro forgot to pin anything 🥀

dry crest
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waiting for a response

pseudo osprey
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Hello zz

undone grail
runic thicket
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I'm a terrible person

undone grail
runic thicket
undone grail
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I have seen zz pin some of the most awful suggestions I've ever seen should I be scared

dry crest
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????

runic thicket
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#1400481150421569697

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You pinned this

undone grail
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bro pinned chaos mode but not the "don't be a terrible person" guide 🥀

dry crest
runic thicket
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Oops wrong reply

pseudo osprey
dry crest
undone grail
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I categorize bigotry under the "being a terrible person" category

runic thicket
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Ty Zz

undone grail
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Ty zz

pseudo osprey
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What if I thumbs down this post Antics

dire pelican
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Doomsayer

undone grail
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Thank you for doomsayer reaction oracle miku

undone grail
dire pelican
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No problem Frog Detector (TT Hater)TwitchBTOS

dry crest
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done ez

pseudo osprey
runic thicket
undone grail
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I appear to have made a miscalculation

runic thicket
undone grail
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You get extra banned if you thumbs up it

dire pelican
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Defense

undone grail
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Nobody's gonna read a post this long with 3 downvotes 🥀

pseudo osprey
dire pelican
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Epic games

runic thicket
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Period

dry crest
pseudo osprey
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.

undone grail
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semicolon

pseudo osprey
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;

undone grail
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ampersand

pseudo osprey
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&

undone grail
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Lenticular brackets

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bro couldn't do it

pseudo osprey
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I could not

undone grail
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I had more ready too

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I was prepared

pseudo osprey
verbal kiln
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Did something bad happen how come we are suggesting this

undone grail
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part alternation mark

pseudo osprey
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〽️

undone grail
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why is it an emoji

pseudo osprey
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Discord emoji

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No idea lol

undone grail
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〽

verbal kiln
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Why does this have more thimbs down than up lol

pseudo osprey
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Funny

undone grail
verbal kiln
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Oh bet

pseudo osprey
undone grail
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Those who didn't think plurality was really a thing were failing to articulate normal sentences so I said "you know what let's make rules that tell people how to articulate sentences like a normal person and not get banned"

pseudo osprey
undone grail
dry crest
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tldr loophole simulator

pseudo osprey
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〽️

robust jewel
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Underscore

pseudo osprey
verbal kiln
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Yeah guys I will prosecute you uf you dont listen to this suvvestijn real i have unlimited charges

undone grail
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Sesame dot

robust jewel
pseudo osprey
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Ok I think I’m dumb

undone grail
verbal kiln
robust jewel
pseudo osprey
runic thicket
pseudo osprey
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I would hang a jailor

undone grail
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I would execute a jailor CursedSoulCursedSoulCursedSoulCursedSoulCursedSoulCursedSoul

verbal kiln
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I would hang a

robust jewel
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I would hang

undone grail
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I got the rare zz thumbs down I don't think this bill is getting passed chat

runic thicket
dry crest
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its not up to me anyways CluelessChatting

runic thicket
undone grail
obtuse geyser
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I don’t want the moderation to end up assuming everyone is a child. If people are being disrespectful and not using common sense, that is already breaking the rules.

marble solstice
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interesting

marble solstice
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I don't like the bot because you can bypass the good old block button to harass people

As for plurality, meh people have differentiated opinions towards it, you can state your opinion for OR against it by using a sensible statement without attacking someone directly.

obtuse geyser
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So far it hasn't harmed anyone so I don't think it is a main concern but I am not a moderator so I can't speak for them.

fluid warren
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quasi torrent
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I don't understand the point of this? We already disallow the discussion of most sensitive topics via rules, if things get out of hand we will personally step in

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For the plurality thing we had Plural kit but it had to be restricted iirc because people were bypassing the whole being blocked thing to have a go at people who blocked their main

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The implementation of the bot is restricting

woeful sonnet
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What counts as a sensitive topic isn’t exactly defined. Sure, when the rules say no bigotry we all (Hopefully) understand that it means no discrimination for someone’s body or personal beliefs. But other subjects, such as the Plurality, aren’t exactly as clear.

Is it bigotry?

You probably shouldn’t bring up subjects you aren’t sure are sensitive or not, but I believe the point of this post is that if you do, you shouldn’t be disrespectful to anyone, even if they are of the opposite opinion or are apart of the said subject.

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-# I mean, that should be common sense shouldn’t it?

undone grail
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I probably should have gone into a bit more detail on that last section. Essentially, it permits certain respectful discussion of subjects including plurality. People are already allowed to speak about these topics so long as it remains civil and on-topic, so this addresses some of the ambiguity. The point is to clarify that, even if it’s not the preferred subject of discussion in the Better Town of Salem 2 Discord Server, respectful discussion on possibly sensitive topics is allowed when relevant.

dry crest
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unfortunately this is a server for a mod for town of salem, definitely not the discord server for sensitive topics as should be common sense, if we wrote "guidelines" for allowing specific conversations, that 100% is counter intuitive for staff

ornate thicket
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Doesn't this just fall under "don't be a complete ass" rule? It doesn't have to be under a specific topic

obtuse geyser
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The rules already state what is allowed and what is not

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you can’t discuss religion, politics, or nsfw and you can’t be a bigot

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if you have to explain in detail what that means, you’re just talking down to people which doing that just to deal with trolls is annoying

marble solstice
runic thicket
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Is self-degredation considered bigotry?

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(Joke and not joke context)

marble solstice
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"guys I'm stupid cuz I fumbled this game"

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depends on the context

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"I hate myself, this past year has been miserable"

now that's self-degredation

runic thicket
marble solstice
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Bigotry - obstinate or unreasonable attachment to a belief, opinion, or faction, in particular prejudice against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group

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read it and understand

runic thicket
undone grail
# obtuse geyser you can’t discuss religion, politics, or nsfw and you can’t be a bigot

I do agree with you here. Choosing plurality as my example wasn’t arbitrary. I am talking about discussions that aren’t forbidden such as this. Subjects that are allowed should be clearly allowed. The goal is to clarify exactly what we want: non-bigoted, honest and respectful discussion when on-topic. Not having a ruling can lead people to thinking they can’t voice their opinion in a healthy way, which leads to discontent and frustrated comments.

runic thicket
marble solstice
runic thicket
marble solstice
runic thicket
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Real?

marble solstice
dry crest
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"Not having a ruling can lead people to thinking they can’t voice their opinion in a healthy way, which leads to discontent and frustrated comments." not sure why you are automatically assuming this is the case ?

marble solstice
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if you don't know who the person is

undone grail
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I’ve seen people making weird comments on the subject

runic thicket
undone grail
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I can’t reply right now sorry

dry crest
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id need to see the supposedly weird comments to get what you mean

obtuse geyser
marble solstice
obtuse geyser
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Even “I have difficulty reading” is more specific

runic thicket
runic thicket
obtuse geyser
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The solution to that is school

runic thicket
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...

marble solstice
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it's more so a direct admission than a weird comment idk

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been months idk

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that's the only "weird" comment I seen

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I'm prolly very oblivious

dry crest
marble solstice
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was the offender punished

dry crest
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i did not see this msg nor was it reported so

marble solstice
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it's from January 2025

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the great btos2-chat argument day

runic thicket
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Tbh I think I should have been punished for at least one of the things I said by now but I'm not complaining

obtuse geyser
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Plurality feels uncomfortable to talk about online since there is no reason to voice your opinion on it since you are likely not a mental health professional.

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So it would fall under bigotry…

ornate thicket
runic thicket
obtuse geyser
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If nobody cares then you are probably following the rules

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I haven’t seen you do anything too weird

runic thicket
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or it just never got reported

dry crest
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whether you get punished depends on if im online or not Antics

marble solstice
runic thicket
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Curtis has also definitely been upset abt some things I've said/done but... He never gave me a red clock

marble solstice
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it didn't take 30 seconds

obtuse geyser
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Curtis got upset at one message I said but only because out of context it was bad so I definitely didn’t do it on purpose.

marble solstice
runic thicket
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I was genuinely confused abt that

obtuse geyser
marble solstice
obtuse geyser
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It’s a dumbass abbreviation imo. Why do you associate something so out of nowhere with am abbreviation that short

marble solstice
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exactly

obtuse geyser
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I didn’t even know about it

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until everyone online made a big deal about it when I was obviously not talking about anything bad

marble solstice
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I'm so used to cpow that I forgot people can abbreviate it differently

obtuse geyser
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*cpow

dry crest
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seeing as how that topic is an insta ban id suggest talking about smth else

marble solstice
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suspicious

runic thicket
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It is?

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It is?

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Oops

ornate thicket
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@runic thicket got @runic thicket

marble solstice
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did bros discord

obtuse geyser
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This whole thread is practically asking for controversial topics so this is probably not worth keeping up

marble solstice
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Curtis already made their decision ig

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with that response above

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I think

runic thicket
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Also

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I want people

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To call me out

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When I do something out of context or too far

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Nobody says shit

dry crest
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if that happens you will get banned or timed out, i assume that hasnt happened so you are fine maybe probably

runic thicket
obtuse geyser
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Curtis should’ve banned me for basically saying pvz1 is mid real

runic thicket
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Real

runic thicket
dry crest
runic thicket
undone grail
fluid warren
# dry crest thats just bigotry yes

perhaps im very confused, but i dont get how that is bigotry

while it definitely could have been said in a much nicer way, they were both disagreeing and looking past their disagreement to be accommodating to the other person, no? i dont really get how stating it is being prejudiced towards them

dry crest
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you are invalidating someones condition/belief based on nothing but "i dont believe it exists", i dont need to tell you how, applied in any other situation, that would be bigotry, if they had a proper argument i might examine it more thoroughly but le shrug

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(by you i obvs mean the other person not you)

woeful sonnet
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Bigotry isn’t simply being against something people believe or are involved in, otherwise we would all be bigots 100 times over.

undone grail
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IMO bigotry is about the means not the ends. It's ok to be wrong, it's not ok to dislike people just cuz.

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In that case I don't think there's enough information to say for sure. He didn't say a word about his reasoning, just his two conclusions:
A. He thinks plurality isn't as legitimate as who he's talking about says it is.
B. He thinks it's still worth respecting this person.

That's kind of why I wanted to make this, so people felt able to fully articulate their ideas. If it wasn't such a grey-area I definitely would be more skeptical about why they chose to omit their reasoning.

open vergeBOT
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@undone grail has leveled up! (35 ➜ 36)

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undone grail
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Thank you tatsu

dry crest
undone grail
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Denying plurality with no evidence is absolutely harmful, that sort of unfounded dismissal helps nobody. Does that mean it is automatically prejudice from one comment on a subject he's possibly new to and probably not comfortable talking about? In my opinion, it's a possibility, but I couldn't make that judgement call with confidence.

Substituting something that appears more serious usually substitutes something that does one or both of:
A. Causing greater harm to deny.
B. Having fewer or no possible non-bigoted origins.
So I don't think it's a direct equivalence.

dry crest
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there is many examples but would break the rules to talk about Yar

obtuse geyser
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I have evidence for my arguments but I don’t need to share it :)

dry crest
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literally me fr

undone grail
runic frigateBOT
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I think the rules are enough considering the community we are in isn't somewhere where these topics would typically be brought up

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if it was a different server maybe

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like yeah, it's useful to have

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but realistically these rules being oddly specific aren't necessary for the type of environment this server seeks to create

dry crest
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(also creates unnecessary loopholes imo)

runic frigateBOT
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I'm going to give this a downvote not due to the fact that it's a bad idea but because it's something that I feel like would have the opposite effect

By placing these rules I feel like it may promote the discussion of such topics and I don't think this server is the place for that

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like if the rules suddenly changed or updated to reflect the discussion of specific, sensitive topics, that might cause an influx in the discussion of the said topics

undone grail
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The “on-topic” rule is crucial in this. Anything going on with the server will become a subject of conversation inevitably. The goal isn’t to structure debates; it’s better in my eyes to explain how to handle it than to leave it as moderator’s discretion which is difficult to interpret given no guidelines.

obtuse geyser
undone grail
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I mostly mean you can’t

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Walk into btos2 chat

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Shout about uh

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Something vaguely acceptable under the rule

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Just to start an argument

dry crest
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well yeah half this server are ragebaiters, your point?

undone grail
runic thicket
dry crest
normal condor
unreal cedar
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hi I don’t mean to be rude and im sorry if it comes off that way

But why are there multiple plurality posts on the top of the #1197948822358331523 page?

Was there recent drama going on? I am confuse :(

ornate thicket
unreal cedar
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Ohh ok

dry crest
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haven't seen the last point actually happen, even frog person says they haven't seen it

quasi torrent
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Everyone in here is saying I have been "upset" at things guys I am just moderating the server it is NOT that deep

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if I was actually upset, I would remember it

dry crest
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fwiw curtis memory is also bad Antics

marble solstice
quasi torrent
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Go for it

marble solstice
quasi torrent
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I have no idea what you are talking about but if you were moderated for breaking the rules you should probably just... avoid doing that in the future

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Actually not "probably", don't do it

marble solstice
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It wasnt related to me

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but it was back around end of January 2024

obtuse geyser
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I can dm you what happened but it won’t matter

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I didn’t actually do anything intentionally so

dry crest
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parasocial mfs

obtuse geyser
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the fuck

undone grail
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Huh

dry crest
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wrong chat sorry

runic thicket
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LMFAO

undone grail
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💀

obtuse geyser
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💀

undone grail
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What’s the right chat

dry crest
obtuse geyser
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The right chats are the parasocial relationships we made along the way

runic thicket
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he was gonna put it in wordle

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smh

runic frigateBOT
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Reply to: @ornate thicket

Harry&co who uses Tupperware becomes active again >People notice that Harry&co are using Tupperware and ask about it >Harry&co ...
Some people take it too far, which led to this post

not to my knowledge

even the post says this

This isn’t meant as a targeted attack towards anyone, however due to the recency, I feel the subject of Plurality is the most helpful example to use.

quasi torrent
dry crest
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oh that one