Potion Master Rework

[swift halo]

Respectfully, Invisibility potion is a terrible idea

It’s evil vote manipulation in the worst way

[kind lagoon]

it’s not that OP

First off all, give it to a teammate and you lose a vote the day

[swift halo]

As a general rule evils should not be screwing with town’s main method of killing evils

If your coven member wins a 1f1 you can just keep invisibility potion-ing them

[kind lagoon]

Can’t use it on consecutive nights

town will just hunt for another evil in the meantime

kill you the day after

[swift halo]

Even so it’s just VM-level

Preventing town from voting

Not being able to use it consecutively is better, but still suffers the same issue

[kind lagoon]

There will always be another evil that can be voted

[swift halo]

I mean using it on town

You get majority a day earlier

Same issue VM has

[kind lagoon]

It’s not as bad as VM

Because the player doesn’t count for voting majority

[swift halo]

Nothing can be as bad as VM, fuck VM

[sacred plume]

That makes it worse no?

[kind lagoon]

4 coven, 6 town == Voodoo can silence the town and there won’t be enough.

[scarlet dock]

Evil vote manipulation is bad

[kind lagoon]

How about only on teammates? Can’t use it to stop a townie from voting

And you can always vote the potion master instead

[scarlet dock]

Again, evil vote manipulation is bad. Mfw we cannot vote death

[sharp axle]

Be me

[kind lagoon]

Is death apart of the coven?

[sharp axle]

Spam invis potion on myself

Ggez

[scarlet dock]

Pandora

[swift halo]

Pandora’s box is a very popular modifier

[kind lagoon]

Can’t use it on self, can’t spam it consecutively

[sharp axle]

Then just use it on covens and done

[kind lagoon]

then it undoes on death reveal

[kind lagoon]

Then they get hung the following day.

[sharp axle]

You still saved them 1 day

You just delayed their death 1 day

Which is strong

Because it gives less breathing air to enemies to hang cov

[kind lagoon]

When they are saved, town will look for another evil.

[sharp axle]

And if they dont?

[kind lagoon]

And that can be you, the very potion master who saved them.

[scarlet dock]

It's hanged not hung, they're not getting hard the next day

[kind lagoon]

What? You think town is just going to sit there?

[sharp axle]

And also

Cant the pm use invis potion on a non cov

And just become vm

[swift halo]

They made a specification for that

[kind lagoon]

I specified it couldn’t

[swift halo]

Earlier in this conversation

[sharp axle]

Then put it in the suggestion

[swift halo]

It is

[kind lagoon]

It is…

[scarlet dock]

It just makes for frustrating gameplay for someone to have vote immunity

[sharp axle]

It doesnt say it on the actual suggestion message

The one you sent to create the suggestion

Ah I see

[sharp axle]

Still this is just

[swift halo]

I’m faster :)

[sharp axle]

Evil vote manip

Which is just

Why

[kind lagoon]

Because the potion master themself is still an evil that can be voted

[swift halo]

TOS players are allergic to evil vote manipulation

[sharp axle]

Like dude everyone hates vm and judge gets disliked

Cant you see a pattern

[scarlet dock]

Because it's ass

[sharp axle]

🍿

[scarlet dock]

In a fast paced majority based sdg like tos, vote manipulation will always just be -1 day until majority

[kind lagoon]

Fine, how about invisibility potion becomes invisible whispers

or something as such

can balance it later

but a placeholder

[sharp axle]

Id say it doesnt fit pm's theme

[kind lagoon]

It’s given via a potion

[sharp axle]

Pm is kind of the successor of consig

[kind lagoon]

so anything can fit the theme

[sharp axle]

Sir we don't lore balance

[kind lagoon]

Witch is the successor of consig

[sharp axle]

Dude

What

Brother

[scarlet dock]

Witch is the successor of witch

[sharp axle]

😭

[scarlet dock]

Lmao

[kind lagoon]

Which role would you rather have to reveal players? Witch or Potion Master?

[sharp axle]

Thats why witch is a problematic role

Bc with witch existing

[kind lagoon]

dunno

[sharp axle]

Exactly

Welcome to tos2 where bmg made the quirkiest of roles then dipped

💯

[kind lagoon]

Invis is changed

your whispers are invisible, kept the can’t have day abilities used on you

because that’s NOT vote manipulation

[swift halo]

I think Truth Potion is kinda infringing on Wildling

[sharp axle]

Yea

[swift halo]

I didn’t realize people had an issue with reveal potion

[sharp axle]

It kind of has due to witch existing and illuminate aswell

[kind lagoon]

You don’t learn who they visited the night of.

[sharp axle]

Also wait yeah

Truth potion is wildling

[swift halo]

So its for trapper/arsonist

[sharp axle]

You are making wildling even worse-

[kind lagoon]

basically

[sharp axle]

Its like Banshee Dreamweaver.

Why have Banshee

[swift halo]

Wildling exists purely so evils can fake claim Tracker and LO

[sharp axle]

When you can just have Dw

[sharp axle]

Wildling gaming indeed!1!

[swift halo]

Dreamweaver doesn’t override external feedback no?

[kind lagoon]

This is delayed tracker. Town won’t like it if you’re always posting your results a day late.

[sharp axle]

They override feedback on their target

And tbh, did you rll see Banshee deafen make a change

On a game

[swift halo]

One time

[sharp axle]

One time since btos2 released

[swift halo]

It’s the only reason I know the Deafen obscures external feedback

[sharp axle]

Yea so you just said it

Since Banshee got released

You only saw them doing smth that changed the game

Once

[swift halo]

yes?

I wasn’t disagreeing with you

[sharp axle]

Yea no it was just to further prove my point

[swift halo]

I suggested a banshee buff literally 2 days ago

[sharp axle]

Ik

[swift halo]

Banshee doesn’t really do much

[sharp axle]

Banshee just needs a rework tbh

The obscuring is now useless bc of dwer

And deafen doesn't like ever do much

So yea

Banshee needs an up to down rework