Veilwarden

[limpid granite]

Amnesiac with extra steps 😄

[mild fiber]

NBs are always just kingmakers with extra steps

[limpid granite]

Kingmakers are good

But you already choising a team with this role

[mild fiber]

Kingmakers are ass, imagine getting screwed out of a win bc a neutral just said "nah"

[limpid granite]

Yes. it is fun

You described what is the fun

[mild fiber]

Getting screwed over through no fault of your own?

[limpid granite]

still it is your fault. Because you cant gained their vote

Or you can kill them when you had time

[mild fiber]

Plus how do you balance NBs on a list? Are they evil or they town?

[limpid granite]

Near to town due gameplay

But not part of the town

[mild fiber]

It's just going to have the same "meta" as survivor

[limpid granite]

Survivor was good. But this isnt survivor

More like a amnesiac

[mild fiber]

Survivor just promoted you to not engage with the game

[limpid granite]

?

[mild fiber]

"D1 survivor claim" and then you never actually have to play the video game after

[limpid granite]

if you do disconnect . Of course. it works with all roles.
But if you claim survivor. Town generaly hangs you.

Because generaly evils claims survivor

[mild fiber]

Basically this just highlights the issues with survivor, (and NBs as a whole)

https://youtu.be/RICaMrMxodw

[limpid granite]

if i didnt wrong. i watched it

But my idea is same

[limpid granite]

Yes i watched it.

1. i love kingmakers
2. No lead isnt a problem. Because town generaly hangs survivor claims.
3. Survivor gameplay is best
4. Yes you can do fake claim

This video pure wrong for me

When you are survivor . You must gain allies as much as you can earn

[mild fiber]

The issue isn't survivor gameplay, it's playing against the survivor

[limpid granite]

Well... Four armor may be to much. i will agree with that

[mild fiber]

It having defense doesn't mean anything when it's the fundamental problem of it being a voting block

[limpid granite]

That's the whole point of the role, isn't it?

[mild fiber]

Yes, and that's why the role is bad

[limpid granite]

Nah. it is best due this

it is adds diplomacy and talk

[mild fiber]

Survivor never promoted you to engage with the players in the game, it just made you do a coin flip

[limpid granite]

Nah. in the beginning of the game. You have time to talk

You must talk . You dont any ability except defence.

you have time

[spark bough]

i signed up to play town of salem to figure out who's lying

not beg one random dude for their loyalty

i'd play survivor if i wanted that

like
the TV show

[limpid granite]

You can play it if you want

[spark bough]

point is i dont want this in my town of salem

[limpid granite]

Diplomacy is unique mechanic.

[spark bough]

also this is wrong

[mild fiber]

You can't choose your role

[spark bough]

there's a whole signup thing for Survivor and the terms and conditions are "you consent to starving for numerous days on end"

[limpid granite]

Well if you want do warcrimes you can do it in a game. Just like rimworld. You can satisfy your needs with simulations

[spark bough]

doesn't mean it fits here

like

there's a game called Diplomacy

[mild fiber]

Pirate is a unique design too, but it doesn't mean it's not ass

[spark bough]

also uh
informed majority is also unique mechanic

is that fun? hell no

[mild fiber]

Teams moment

[spark bough]

no
that's 3 informed minorities

also right if i wanted diplomacy teams would be the way to go

[safe sentinel]

What is neutral good

[limpid granite]

Near to town

Due gameplay

[mild fiber]

NB but worse

[safe sentinel]

Fun

[limpid granite]

Thanks

[safe sentinel]

( not rly )

[limpid granite]

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