🔹Redeemer

[bleak oak]

uh. Thanks @sand scaffold

[autumn heart]

Is it still RBable?

[bleak oak]

RBable??

[sand scaffold]

able to be role blocked

[bleak oak]

Yes it can?

[autumn heart]

okay so the role's balanced

[jade mulch]

Realistically there is zero reason to not be Justice because you have no ability otherwise

Who cares if TI can find you

[lavish shale]

Tuna has stated he doesn't like creating new buckets for one role

[bleak oak]

good. Because i have more ideas

[jade mulch]

Also yeah this would fall under Neutral Evil or Neutral Outlier

[autumn heart]

My favorite part about this role is that it requires Veteran for it to spawn

[jade mulch]

I like how Veteran killing people is totally a-ok 👌

[bleak oak]

i didnt say this. My translate was wrong? But it can be a good addition to role.

it must kill any veteran if there any

[jade mulch]

It implies it by Veteran being listed in the role

It doesn’t actually say that though

[autumn heart]

I mean, it leaves town when all players who've previously killed AND all veterans are dead.

If no Veteran spawns, then it leaves d1 because no one has killed

[stoic coral]

ah yes, the fuck veteran inator role

[jade mulch]

“Veteran MUST be alive”

[bleak oak]

Oh. Right. Smart

[jade mulch]

I don’t think you read it right

[jade mulch]

Wait no

I DIDNT READ IT RIGHT

[autumn heart]

If Town of Salem was a novel, this role is like a self-insert fan fiction

[jade mulch]

Wait no

[autumn heart]

"I punish those who prey on the weak, and also Veteran because FUCK Veteran"

[jade mulch]

It says “no player who has killed someone, and veteran, have to be alive”

@bleak oak is this supposed to kill Veterans or keep Veterans alive

[wise widget]

okay so here we are

[autumn heart]

kill vet

[bleak oak]

let me change to translate

sorry for that

[wise widget]

let me see

[jade mulch]

Second ability implies it needs to kill vet so I assume that’s how it works

[bleak oak]

fixed!

[jade mulch]

yeah okay it hates Veterans I see now

[bleak oak]

Veteran is a war crime lover. Average rimworld enjoyer

[stoic coral]

hey so uh

funny story

this cant win

[jade mulch]

In regards to “can’t kill veteran” or “it kills people so it stops its own wincon?”

[wise widget]

Why does it hate veterans?

[stoic coral]

it stops its own wincon

[jade mulch]

I assume it’s an exception

[autumn heart]

It's still RBable though

[bleak oak]

Veteran a war hero. Probably killed a lot of people. Also he dont have problems with killing innocent

[autumn heart]

BG's a former soldier

[wise widget]

So it's balanced around flavor?

[bleak oak]

Yes

[bleak oak]

we must test it for real results

[autumn heart]

@bleak oak I'd recommend one bigger post instead of flooding the suggestions with singular ones btw

[jade mulch]

My finger is approaching the 👍 and I can’t stop it someone help

[stoic coral]

to be fair who didnt

[autumn heart]

And to be fair who isn't

[stoic coral]

reminds me of the TF2 Soldier lore

who went on a killing spree in germany after the war ended because they are too dumb to realise the war is over

[bleak oak]

You are a former knight dedicated to protecting the town. well you right

[wise widget]

When making a role I ask myself three questions

• Does it fit and implement smoothly within the existing game?
• Is it reliably and relatively balanced in practice?
• Is it fun for the average playerbase of the game?

To summarize, this fails question 3, and question 2 needs more thought but probably doesn't work
The fact that this is a subalignment which doesn't exist in the game yet is temping me to fail question 1 as well

[jade mulch]

This one isn’t as bad as the other two, implementation wise and balance wise

But should not be “Neutral Good”

[wise widget]

think of it this way
this is effectively a vigi with infinite bullets

but has to kill vets too

[bleak oak]

Dont worry. i can fill it 😄

[jade mulch]

It also has to killer Jailor/Vigi/Dep/anything that has killed

[bleak oak]

also other vigis , trapper and tricker

[jade mulch]

And those

[wise widget]

and it has no way to find those

[jade mulch]

Fun wise this probably uh, isn’t very

[bleak oak]

🌙 Night Ability :
Visit one player each night.
If the target is a Veteran or has killed someone earlier in the game, you will deliver a Basic Attack to them.

[jade mulch]

Invest-level gameplay

[wise widget]

ah

so it's basically a worse and far more janky inq now

or should I say sidegrade

[jade mulch]

I’m still giving this a 👍 for being interesting enough to work (and because I can’t remove it on mobile)

But yeah it’s not a super fun role, basically Inquis with specific target each time

Town aligned but not quite

[bleak oak]

i have another idea. You can't compare with anyother role

another Netural good

[wise widget]

Then it has no reason to be in town of salem

[bleak oak]

AH!!?!?!?

Didny you wanted %200 original role

[wise widget]

because you will quite literally be comparing this to match power levels iwht other roles in the game anyways

if you don't like the feedback I'm giving, well I kinda
yknow
warned you beforehand

[bleak oak]

i know

[jade mulch]

Pretty sure there was a mistranslation they were saying they have a super original role like no other

[wise widget]

ah

[bleak oak]

still i am happy to people liked this

[wise widget]

This isnt as bad as the other two

keep it up though
you're improving

[proud spear]

So this is basically just suspicious appearing vigi

[bleak oak]

No

He must kill veteran.
He must kill vigilante , trapper , jailor , deputy , tricker (if they killed someone)

[proud spear]

By the end of the game, the only way to win is for all evils to die anyways

and they are basically just inquis for those roles on top of that

[bleak oak]

He can leave early if he kill veteran and who killed a player

coven book owner kills +conjurer + jinx ...

[proud spear]

So if the book holder is shot by dep they just immediately leave

because at that point nobody else has killed

[bleak oak]

he must kill deputy

Because deputy killed someone

[proud spear]

well that is a fair point

[bleak oak]

also there a veteran. Hard to kill

[proud spear]

i’m still not sure about pure neutrals but this is still better than jester

[bleak oak]

Thanks!

[vague olive]

Flashbacks

[cinder mortar]

bro when i fucking saw this i almost had a heart attack

(cuz it's named redeemer)

[bleak oak]

i dont get it

[rose torrent]

@bleak oak has leveled up! (2 ➜ 3)

[cinder mortar]

there is another role called "redeemer"

that is pretty bad

don't worry about it

yeah this is just town 90% of the time

Nuetral "good"

[bleak oak]

He must kill vigilante , trapper , jailor , deputy , tricker

if they killed

someone

[cinder mortar]

like i said

90% of the time

[bleak oak]

%90 so high. i prefer %60-70

[cinder mortar]

ok but like

your best choice to win is to just side town

and hope to god evils kill those roles

or else town just GUTS you

[bleak oak]

i prefer be hidden because towns generaly hangs pirates who works with town

[cinder mortar]

eh

i still don't like the idea of neutral beign

which is... what neutral good is

basically

[bleak oak]

But yes. He must be near to town

Not a part of it

And we got 3 dislike. Well.

i dont get it. People why dont liked it

[lavish shale]

I haven't fully read the suggestion but I think people just generally dislike the idea of a town sided neutral

[sacred solar]

You might as well make it town

[rough obsidian]

Wtf is the point of this it’s, you win with town or death… that’s it actually, possible jackals might not have killed, coven is possible if coordinated, other apoc is impossible, compliance isn’t, vampires could if they get the final people converted, but it also has to make sure all TK (except vet for somereason) Jailor / Trap has died randomly, what is this, and what in the world does Neutral Good even mean, NE that helps town?

[barren void]

Jesus in BTOS2 is wild

[rough obsidian]

Yo Data is another me lets go

[bleak oak]

Perspective is quite narrow. Also, if there's a Neutral Evil, then why wouldn't there be a Neutral Good?

[bleak oak]

Close to town . But dont working with them

just like netural evil who is working with other evils

[bleak oak]

You clearly didn't read it properly.
It has to kill the Veteran and any players who have killed someone during the game.
That means there must already be a Veteran in the game, otherwise it would have left the town on Day 1.

[proud spear]

Neutral Evil is very misleading as a name. The idea is that "you can't trust them", but they behave in ways that might end up unintentionally aligning with town.

"Neutral Good" is a slippery slope because they are able to safely fc in the majority which defeats the purpose of not being town.

[finite shale]

I like that the redeemer role doesn't believe murderers deserve redemption.

[cinder mortar]

i mean

flavour is just flavour

but that IS funny

[tranquil rune]

W cuz nobody likes vet

aside from that i like this.
do marshal/pros count as a kill?

[tardy river]

is this a pressure reference???

[tranquil rune]

probably not.

[bleak oak]

Pros and marshal uses law to kill a person. They are killing through justice. In other words, they are not killing with their own hands.

[bleak oak]

instead of the jailor. He is a psycho.

[tranquil rune]

thats justice too tho.

he executes not kill

also marshal is not the law they ignore the law and just start hangin

[tranquil rune]

these ngs or whatever you call them are a pretty cool idea

basically nb but without being tt or making town more powerful

[bleak oak]

if i dont wrong Netural good must be near to Town.

[bleak oak]

Also. its can be enemy of town due TK + TPOW

Who wants lose their Jailor and tk roles

in some stiuations. This can be trapper

[orchid plaza]

nah better idea
thrice per game revive a player
trust

okay but seriously just why
all this guys does is "fuck vigi, jailor, dep in particular" and is trickster 3.0 otherwise (the investigator ripoff)

[bleak oak]

Trickster ? what

it cant defend anyone

it dont have side. it must kill evils and townies

[orchid plaza]

Back in season 3, trickster's ability is "Each night, choose a player: if they can attack, they attack you and you counterattack with a powerful attack"

[bleak oak]

Oh. i didnt know this.

But this isnt change the role

[orchid plaza]

this is quite literally the same thing

except you dont even die

that trickster was easily the most hated role in the game, moreso than even jailor or doomsayer
so

[ancient axle]

tf he got against veterans

realistically speaking they are veterans

and fought in war

[bleak oak]

Also there must be a veteran if this guy in the game

Due wincon

[cinder mortar]

S2*

[orchid plaza]

wasnt that the one with only 3 uses

[cinder mortar]

uh... no?

i thought S2 was the 3 uses one

if i remember correct

Pre season - bad transporter but just for attacks that stucked due to how it works

S1 - Suicide trickster

S2 - Suicide trickster but limited to 3 shot

S3 - Reflect trickster

if im wrong, then sorry

but this how i remember it

[orchid plaza]

no i think S4 was reflect

[frozen elk]

It's giving that one suggestion redeemer vibes

Anyway what is this meant to serve? :p

[stoic coral]

because it could only target itself as the first target

[frozen elk]

And neutral good as a whole what does it serve to be?

[cinder mortar]

right

pre season trickster was worse vet

[wise widget]

gee golly
can this post die? We alr established that this won't work in the game, move on
why was this 'd anyways

[bleak oak]

it works

[jade mulch]

lock it down

🔒

@sand scaffold

[sand scaffold]

what

[jade mulch]

Oh I thought you were like

The locker

This the third time this guy has bumped this post

[bleak oak]

i didnt

They sended message

[sand scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/locker-school-high-school-school-hallway-lockers-gif-14045243847030599038

[bleak oak]

and i answered

[sand scaffold]

i dont see a bump, the "it works" is sus but thats it