🟩HomeOwner

[fleet trout]

problem

this is insanely self confirming

[fallen egret]

uh. You cant see who is invited you also you cant see peoples name in invation

[fleet trout]

"i invited you"
"ok"

sorry hold up

ok let me take a proper read now

[random maple]

This is in fact instantly self confirming

It’s sectioned old soci

[tawny mortar]

this instant confirms itself

[fallen egret]

Any idea?

[random maple]

Old Socialite isn’t ever going to work as a normal role in any capacity because it immediately confirms itself via its ability

[fleet trout]

wait i am so confused on how the fuck hidden retribution works

[random maple]

It could be suited to an Outlier, I suppose

What constitutes “the killer going unpunished”?

[fleet trout]

w-

WAIT

[random maple]

NK surviving your basic attack?

[fleet trout]

BRO THIS CAN ONLY WORK IN TIS 😭

hold up

the game literally can't do ingame murder unless it's at the end of night

and shit

but wait

but everyone also gets roleblocked

[fallen egret]

There are 3 players in the gathering:
Guest1 (HomeOwner), Guest2 (Vigilante), and Guest3 (Monarch).

The Vigilante can choose to attack either Guest1 or Guest3.
If the Vigilante kills Guest3, the HomeOwner gains the right to retaliate and attack the Vigilante.

However, if the Vigilante attacks Guest3 (the Monarch), and the Monarch has Basic Defense, then nothing happens — the attack fails, and the HomeOwner cannot retaliate.

[fleet trout]

how can they kill anyway?

ok then how do you explain the last part?

"If the killer goes unpunished, the killer may target the last remaining(except himself) guest at the end of the night."

this can't function unless you have multiple night stages

no?

also how would you retaliate? you just pick someone who you "want to kill if they kill"

[fallen egret]

There are 3 players in the gathering:
Guest1 (HomeOwner), Guest2 (Vigilante), and Guest3 (Coven Leader).

Coven leader killed Guest2
Homeowner if choise dont attack to Guest 3. Coven leader can attack to guest1

[fleet trout]

ok but how can CL do that if they already did their night action

Have their night roles blocked

also their night action is roleblocked?

[fallen egret]

They gain attack right

Except the their role abilitys

[fleet trout]

ok so

they attack guest 1

they have guest 1 selected

does guest 2 also become an option then?

if so, good luck coding that

[random maple]

Also killers can just not accept the invite and then you do nothing

[fleet trout]

also again, you stated their night action is blocked?

how can a guest even kill another guest

without them being hanged over?

[fallen egret]

But if they accept as fake tk claim. They can take two kill

[random maple]

So… you are actively harmful to town?

What does this actually provide

[fallen egret]

if you do your job right. You can be good.

Just like vanilla crusader

[fallen egret]

I should add this!
Players who die during the night gathering will appear as "killed by the HomeOwner" or "killed during the private gathering,"
but it will not be clear who actually killed them.

[fleet trout]

ok but cool but are they roleblocked or not

[fallen egret]

They roleblocked but they will gain attack right if they
🔸 Coven Member
🔸 Berserker, War, Famine, Pestilence
🔸 Vigilante, Veteran
🔸 Neutral Killing, Inquisitor, Pirate, or Vampire

[fleet trout]

yeah that should be stated

you never really explained what a dangerous guest is

this makes

alot more sense

[fallen egret]

i did. But i must edit text to

[random maple]

Please tell me if this is sort of how this is supposed to work

Home Owner

Alignment: Town Support

Invitation (♾️ , ☀️ )
Choose two players during the day to invite to tonight’s party at the voting phase. If they both accept, there will be an anonymous gathering. Players will be unable to perform their actions at night.

Retaliate (2️⃣ , 🌙 )
You may choose to retaliate at night. If one of your guests has the potential to kill (Berserker, Famine, War, Pestilence, Bookholder, NK, etc) and attempts to, then you will deal a Basic attack to them and block the kill.

If you choose not to retaliate and they are a killing role who chooses to kill, they will kill both guests at the gathering.

[fallen egret]

1.Both players don’t need to accept — one acceptance is enough to trigger the gathering.

2.One invitation is sent at night, and if that happens, a second invitation can be sent the next morning.

3.You do not block attacks made against anyone (external attacks on guests are excluded due to the UO effect).
You only attack a guest who kills someone, and by doing so, you optionally prevent them from attacking you at the end of the night.

I misspoke when I said "optionally prevent."
I meant it by mistake because attackers can make all of their attacks optional.

Guys, come on! Can I get your thoughts?

[steady holly]

this confirms too much, but we've already established that

[fallen egret]

i know. But this role have a lot of thing

[sleek sandal]

@fallen egret has leveled up! (1 ➜ 2)

[steady holly]

In practice I'm not too sure this functions well

[random maple]

Accepting an Invite is basically just saying “ok I’ll willing get roleblocked” which like…? Who would?

[steady holly]

Also, not sure if the "Hidden Retribution" is worded well
can you elaborate?

[fallen egret]

Tpow , Tk , Some Ts and coroner

😄

[random maple]

And it sounds like it can’t kill NK’s so those just get free kills on top of roleblocking a townie for no reason

[fallen egret]

There are 3 players in the gathering:
Guest1 (HomeOwner), Guest2 (Vigilante), and Guest3 (Monarch).

The Vigilante can choose to attack either Guest1 or Guest3.
If the Vigilante kills Guest3, the HomeOwner gains the right to retaliate and attack the Vigilante.

However, if the Vigilante attacks Guest3 (the Monarch), and the Monarch has Basic Defense, then nothing happens — the attack fails, and the HomeOwner cannot retaliate.

[steady holly]

how does retaliation work then

does it happen the next night

?

[random maple]

I kinda assumed it just happened that night automatically like a BG

[fallen egret]

You can find a nk if homeowner attack them because homeowmer will learn their basic defence. Nk must find homeowner to kill it. if he kills it he can do last attack to last remaining guest

[steady holly]

I think this does too much, overall

[random maple]

So if the homeowner gets attacked at night as one of the guests (50/50) then they both die?

[fallen egret]

if they dont have defence and they have attack right they can attack each other

[fallen egret]

in same night end of the night

[steady holly]

it confirms itself, blocks evil communication, kills people, roleblocks, and UO's people

What you've effectively created here is a voluntary jailor that can choose more people

I don't think we really need that

[fallen egret]

With more risk

[steady holly]

I'm not sure that makes it any better

It makes it just that more swingy

[fallen egret]

New roles wont hurt = /

[steady holly]

I think new roles work if they add something cool or fun to the game

[fallen egret]

But this isnt cool?

[steady holly]

this is
like I said,
more swingy jailor

this fills a niche which is already occupied in the game while not adding anything interesting to the mechanic

[fallen egret]

Jailor is completely different. In that role, there's a judge and a prisoner, whereas here it's a meeting between three people — all with their own roles.
The HomeOwner might act like a judge, but they don’t have immunity, and the other two aren't prisoners.

[steady holly]

more roles also will take time to add, and that takes time away from reworking preexisting roles which have problems of their own

from a game development perspective that's not exactly a ideal thing

[steady holly]

but that's flavor
mechanically this functions similar, and that's what people will use it for

[fallen egret]

i know.... i just spend a day for 3 script. Painfull = /

Still i have more role ideas. one or another i will find a role who you guys liked it!

[steady holly]

I will warn you
It's rare to find a idea that people like
even rarer that it will get added to the game

Especially in this community, people are going to not hold back on harsh feedback and critique

So uh if people come across a little mean, just do note that we do that to p much everyone

[tawny mortar]

yeah, fuck the weak

[steady holly]

💀

[tawny mortar]

whaaat

[steady holly]

We all learn by making bad ideas ffs

[tawny mortar]

ye

You gotta fall to learn how to stand

or some shit like that

[random maple]

this was more interesting to understand than most role suggestions I’m ngl

[fallen egret]

no. i will defend my ideas. They are beatiful for me. i will use different ideas to achive good idea

[steady holly]

I wonder what I would find if I dig up on my old posts

||Town Ritualist||
wait fck no shoo go away

[tawny mortar]

I sure wonder what Ill find
||Roleblocker Pros||

I gotta stop drinking

[steady holly]

Sure, you can defend them
But seeing that they are flawed helps you improve on future ideas

[fallen egret]

i have 3 more role ideas. i going to write!

[tawny mortar]

yeah, you have the freedom to be flawed or some shit like that

[random maple]

I will say if they are instantly confirming I would consider changing them because they will be immediately flamed

Which seems to be a general issue with new suggestions

[tawny mortar]

yeah if a role can easily prove that they exist they are gonna get murked

there is no greater sin than self confirmation in this game

[steady holly]

Okay, but I am again warning you that if they are flawed or bad, people don't tend to give good feedback or hold back on bad ones

I find that people have a lot more to say if they dislike the idea rather than if they like it
Because what's there to talk about in an idea that already seems fine as is?

[steady holly]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1176132734150787093/1392813019519782995/NwmButBetter.gif

B)

[tawny mortar]

I usually just threaten people that are downvoting without talking into explaining why they downvoted when I like a suggestion

always fun

[steady holly]

That's actually a way, ngl

My good suggestions die too fast lmao

[tawny mortar]

If you like an idea, force people into explaining why they dont

[steady holly]

rip my WW overhauls

the two most liked ww suggestions on the server iirc other than QoL changes and still not in the game

(/hj)

[tidal olive]

hey why cant death attack also :C