Crusader rework | BetterTOS2 | Page 1

scarlet imp Jul 12, 2025, 4:10 AM

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It would be similar to vanilla Crusader. Cannot self. Give a player defense, but instead of attacking a random visitor, it would instead reveal a random visitor with their role to the Crusader. Would still get target attacked notification if the target gets attacked.

Example of an attacked by coven result:
"Your target was attacked last night!"
"You have detected a visit from (3) Prismatic, the Medusa."

It would only show roles, not true alignments. But unlike Potion Master and Baker, this wouldn't detect Egotist Townie either, which would instead appear as a normal townie to this Crusader. For example, if Egotist Tavern Keeper tried to roleblock the target, the Crusader would still detect them as a normal Tavern Keeper.

Recruit Crusader in particular also reveals the role to their other Recruit, but without the Recruit receiving a feedback message about it.

Other non-Town Crusaders (TT, egotist, and swapped) still only reveal it to themselves.

This would allow Socialite to take back the role of UOs back from Crusader, even in BTOS.

slate minnow Jul 12, 2025, 4:12 AM

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A town role should never reveal

scarlet imp Jul 12, 2025, 4:13 AM

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slate minnow A town role should never reveal

Spy outing egotist:

fading ivy Jul 12, 2025, 4:14 AM

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scarlet imp Spy outing egotist:

That's because of Egotist

slate minnow Jul 12, 2025, 4:14 AM

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That's not a reveal

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Spy only gets their role

scarlet imp Jul 12, 2025, 4:15 AM

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what if it instead redirected one random visitor to target themselves instead

slate minnow Jul 12, 2025, 4:19 AM

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Pretty sure that's already been suggested and disliked

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Crus just needs a complete overhaul, no UO, no doing something to visitors

astral granite Jul 12, 2025, 4:24 AM

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trapper already gets enough flame for being an investigating TP

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do we really need another

outer depot Jul 12, 2025, 4:38 AM

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This is really busted lmao

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This is stronger than Trapper because it also reveals who exactly the visitor is

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Even without the TP ability, it'd possibly be THE strongest TI in the game, since it hard confirms players as either good or evil EXCEPT with Jackals, Vampires, Cursed Souls, Cultist, or Ego/TT (keep in mind, every exception is either an outlier or a modifier)

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