#[NERF] Through the power of sleep deprivation, one can speak through the Voodoo Master's Silence!

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jade valley
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Voodoo Master (Coven Utility)

Attack: None
Defense: None

Silence (🌙, ♾️)

  • Create a Voodoo doll of your target and use it to Silence them.
  • Your target cannot talk or vote the following Day.
  • If your target chooses to talk or vote during the Discussion Phase the following Day, they become Clamored.
  • Non-Town are immune to being Clamored (and thus can bypass Silence without you knowing).
  • You cannot consecutively Silence the same person in a row.

Attributes:

  • Players that are Clamored will petmanently retain their Clamored status upon even after your death.

NEW KEYWORD: Clamored

  • While Silenced, if you try to speak or vote, you will be warned that if you continue, you will become Clamored. If you choose to do so anyways, you become Clamored.
  • Players that are Clamored are immune to the effects of Silence.
  • They also cannot use any abilities.
  • They also lose all additional voting power they've previously gained, though they can gain it back.
  • They also lose all placed abilities if they possessed any (notably Bugs, Traps, Bestows, and Knights).
  • Non-Town roles cannot be Clamored.
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Tl;Dr

  • You can break out of Silence but you lose extra votes and become Insomniac
  • Non-Town are immune to Silence (but will still be prompted)
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POLL IN REGARDS TO PERMANENT INSOMNIA (Insomnia that lingers after the VMer's death):
#1385724185422336110 message

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Literally posted a slightly different version of this a while ago

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OH SHIT I FORGOT TO NAME IT

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[NERF] Through the power of sleep deprivation, one can speak through the silence!

viral hornet
tardy brook
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You know

This isn't bad, I would check it out

vernal pivot
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This is a nerf?

tardy brook
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Making the warlock insomniac feels like an oversight, that shit is crazy

jade valley
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I always forget Apoc isn't Neutral in BTOS2 lol

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one sec

bold breach
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votes during the discussion phase CurtisMan

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Fun concept tho

jade valley
# vernal pivot This is a nerf?

Technically a nerf, but because TOS2 players lack foresight, they'd break through just to go "I'm LO, 3 had no visitors last night"

bold breach
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Idk if there could be a way to confirm you want to take the punishment tho, vm + banshee would hide the silence message and make someone spontaneously go insom

tardy brook
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Apoc should be expressly notified that they got silenced , otherwise this would be a free neutral outer

soft fulcrum
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Is there a point to still allowing you to talk? (so the change is instead "you can vote, but become insomniac")

jade valley
jade valley
tardy brook
bold breach
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Oh true I didn't take s5 changes into account

jade valley
soft fulcrum
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lol

whole pike
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hm

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i like

jade valley
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[NERF] Through the power of sleep deprivation, one can speak through the Voodoo Master's Silence!

tidal pagoda
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Madness in tos, hmmm

jade valley
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exactly! (I have no idea what that is)

tidal pagoda
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pretend madness = silence

soft fulcrum
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Silence: You are "mad" that you are Silenced, or you will lose your ability until the VM dies.

Self-referential status effect Antics

jade valley
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lmao it is madness in a way

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you gotta pretend to be silenced or else you become insomniac

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we boutta get a million đźź° reacts with this one

barren fiber
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Good concept, meh execution

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Insomnia is not a good balancing factor

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Especially when it straight up doesnt affect a multitude of roles

jade valley
barren fiber
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Also Mayor

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They can just ignore silence now

tidal pagoda
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They mayor’s opinion doesn’t matter anyways

jade valley
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and Tpows that burned WAY too early

jade valley
barren fiber
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Right

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I can’t read

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Eh it’s better than current

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Even if it’s not by much

jade valley
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While this is definitely a nerf, I can easily see people just breaking through insomnia just to be like "I was Silenced, but now I'm Insomnia. I'm Trapper" and it's d2

barren fiber
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That’s why I say not by much

soft fulcrum
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Delete the trap Antics

barren fiber
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This takes VM from S tier to low B tier

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Bordering on C actually

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Since it can’t even force TIs to be quiet anymore

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And insomnia is lost on death

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Yeah no

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C tier

jade valley
jade valley
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I'll make a poll

soft fulcrum
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Btw wouldn't losing your bonus votes confirm you as town? (If you're knighted)

jade valley
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I guess, but unless if Monarch's throwing or Raised/Controlled, chances are they're not knighting evils

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Also you'd lose your extra voting power in exchange for confirmation, when the Monarch likely knighted you because you were confirmed

soft fulcrum
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It might be useful in some cases where the knighted person is being questioned
It'd still be odd anyways that you can confirm yourself using an evil role

jade valley
# jade valley

Permanent, with the implication that even if VMer dies, the Insomnia lingers

jade valley
soft fulcrum
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I still don't like that it's possible in the first place

jade valley
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Ehh, fair

No clue how I'd approach this without turning Monarch VMer into a confirmation machine, though

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Though if you're being sussed as a knighted player, chances are TPs won't be on you lol

jade valley
soft fulcrum
# soft fulcrum Delete the trap <:Antics:1287037578440216679>

This kinda gave me the idea of "Insomnia disables any effect from your role", thus disabling traps, disabling mayor votes, and ig it would disable knight votes if the Monarch gets insomnia (though there'd probably be some niche scenario where the Monarch wants to confirm that they didn't get jumped by SK/forged or cleaned the real Monarch and stole their claim)

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or just make it not affect knight votes at all

jade valley
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I mean, the ONLY way a Silenced person can be affected by Traps is if the VMer is Bestowed

soft fulcrum
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What I meant was "If Trapper becomes insomniac, their trap vaporizes" (so they can't just place a trap and then break the silence)

jade valley
jade valley
tidal pagoda
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Vaporizes lol

jade valley
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Update

  • Placed effects (Trap, Bestow, Knight, Bug) are vaporized upon breaking out of Silence
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This is becoming farther and farther removed from Insomnia lmao

chrome flicker
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I always wanted something at least close to extortionist since it is very fun

jade valley
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I love extortionist! (I have no clue what that is)

chrome flicker
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roblox ripoff tos game named bm (extortionist silences you and if you dont vote or if you speak you get sniped)

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anyway đź‘Ť

tidal pagoda
jade valley
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W

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UPDATE

  • Replaced Insomnia with a new keyword called Clamored.
  • The role acts the same, everything's just done with a separate effect.
tardy brook
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Good idea, insomnia will not exist in btos2 next update

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(Unless I'm stupid)

rigid bluff
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Insomnia was a good idea it just didnt work well and they didnt find a good way to implement

light dust
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Remove the reset of vote bonuses part. Knighted neutral when their knighted vote accidentally outs them:

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Bonus voting change I’m guessing only exists for Mayor

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But… womp womp

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I’m never a huge fan of “if town A else B” because it’s an interaction with no depth but ehh

jade valley
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Plus, if there's a potential VMer and Town's forcing someone to lose their knighted bonus, Town's not playing optimally, to say the least lol

light dust
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It hard confirms you town when there’s an oberservable difference, and it means someone knighted can’t fake silence.

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Its niche but its still an issue

jade valley
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If you're a Neutral that was Silenced/ a Coven faking Silenced AND knighted, you can just simply refuse to "rescind your Knighthood".

If it's that much of an issue, though, I can make it so those who break through Silence are "Sacrificed"

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Buff the downsides of breaking out of the effects of Silence

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Sacrificing the extra voting power AND future abilities just for confirmation is a bit iffy

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Especially if the Clamored effect is permanent (which the poll is proposing)

light dust
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Sacrificing votes just for mayor is a bit iffy

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I’d just make a mayor targeting exception atp. Make knights not count.

tardy brook
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"Executioner can target A if Town but not B"

light dust
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Ok

tardy brook
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It's necessary otherwise you leave good ideas on the table

steady frost
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Frog Detector makes a good point about outing Neutrals.

There’s a reason why stakes aren’t used in combat and dreams are normally left to the owner’s mind to weird out.

jade valley
# jade valley
poll_question_text

Should the Insomnia effect from breaking out of Silence be permanent?

victor_answer_votes

9

total_votes

12

victor_answer_id

1

victor_answer_text

Yes

victor_answer_emoji_id

1287037578440216679

victor_answer_emoji_name

Antics