#Coven Leader balance changes

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west ivy
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These changes are meant to make CL a more balanced-yet centralized cpow and be a bit more dynamic with its team.

1. Coven Leader no longer has basic defense
Why:

  • CL has literally zero reason to have defense ever since its s3 rework. All it does is making u immune to half the TKs for no reason. Removing it is a must.

2. Coven Leader may no longer retrain players into CK nor CPOW
Why:

  • CL being able to retrain players CPOW into CK and vice versa is just bad. Especially with ranked where there is already another CK. Making CL only being able to retrain players into Common Coven forces the player to make a choice between keeping CKs around or turning them into a role they need more.

3. Retrain now has infinite charges
Why:

  • While this may sound OP at first and it kind of is. It allows CL to be a more dynamic role by constantly swapping coven roles that are-in play to benefit the coven and confuse the town a lot more. Right now, CL feels like "my role is shit, plz change then change yourself into a CK". This and change 2 solves this problem and makes CL a more dynamic role to their team.
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near panther
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Im not knowledgeable enough to figure out what the problems are, so ima just thumbs up until someone else points out the problems.

tame thunder
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this is interesting

stuck current
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While I agree with the first and second changes (idk how to feel about the third), I'd like to comment on them

CL has literally zero reason to have defense
I believe Curtis or smth said that the reason they still have defense is so they have an incentive to not always make their second retrain themselves. The third change does make up for it ig

Coven Leader may no longer retrain players into CK nor CPOW
Pretty sure this was originally a thing in modded, but got changed when reworked CL became vanilla.

tame thunder
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my main take on this though is the game is quite fast sometimes

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and given retrain is a night ability it can be an issue

west ivy
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Like being able to retrain into those

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Like WHY

stuck current
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😭

near panther
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I feel like the first 2 changes are good, and cl would probably need something to compensate for its huge loss, idk if the 3rd change is it. I think its good though.

drifting lava
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CKs are supposed to be mutually exclusive.

This will be patched

west ivy
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Might as well remove cpow retraining too

near panther
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This change would still prevent ck's from turning into ck's

west ivy
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Oh yeah, that

cosmic ocean
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nerf VM first, then we can talk.

agile whale
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I like

tough ginkgo
chilly plover
agile whale
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“Aw man my CK/CPOW is too weak”
- no player ever

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Maybe jinx

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Oh yeah and hex master

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Ok I can see the utility now

chilly plover
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and the CL equally wanting to retrain themselves..

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Alot of problems are not as obvious as people like to flaunt until you actually play with it for an extended period of time.

drifting lava
# agile whale “Aw man my CK/CPOW is too weak” \- no player ever

"Too Weak" is not actually the main deal.

CL would still be good even if all coven were relatively equally powerful and perfectly balanced, because it's about picking the right tool for the job.

CL also won't be able to become Conjurer after the bugfix (when there's already a CK) so things are gaming pretty well

north magnet
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Why are so many coven roles so much worse than others