#Executioner Tweaks

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deft roost
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  1. No longer turns into Jester, simply dies from Hangman at the sunset.
  2. Win condition is changed to "get your target killed by town".
    2.1) Only kills by town roles work, not town evils (no CS trickery) or unleash from trickster.
    2.1.1) Town kills are: TK shooting, Jailor execute, Trapper attack, BG kill (vanilla Crusader kill also counts).
    2.2) Hangs are considered town kills, no matter the source (Prosecution, Tribunal, Court)
  3. Gains ability to Persecute (night, 2 uses): Visit your target, framing them as Executioner for this night and making their visit look harmful.
scenic pike
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im just curious

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does veteran count

deft roost
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so yes, it does count.

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also evil town kills do count too (TT/Rec/Vamp/CS)

dense wind
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exe should not be allowed to frame

steep bane
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I don’t like persecute

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It takes away the social part of NE

dense wind
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Also like, this makes exe way easier

steep bane
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And makes it more mechanical

robust violet
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I like that jester got banished, but I don't like the framing

deft roost
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well, then half of this kit won't work.

scenic pike
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also

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the humble night 1 death:

steep bane
deft roost
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the only townie that can kill n1 is vet.

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and jailor.

robust violet
deft roost
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that's just stroke of unluck.

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I can drop down framing, but I won't remove "appear visit to be harmful"

steep bane
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So we’re putting emphasis on n1 RNG

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Peak

robust violet
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Every other role in the game has some sort of prevention to reduce the chance of just insta losing n1

deft roost
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ahem CS ahem

scenic pike
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"yes it's fine to rework a role without addressing this glaring issue just because another role also has this glaring issue"

robust violet
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Exe is 100% solo

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They have no prevention

deft roost
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exe needs to have a way to push his target to die in some other way then just lying

steep bane
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That’s the point of exe …

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Executioner is a social role at its core

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Bringing in something mechanical to that ruins the point

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Mechanical as in framing , making a harmful visit , etc

robust violet
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Executioners entire purpose is to socially manipulate town into hanging another town

deft roost
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removing jest transform and reassigning targets - just boooooooooooring

scenic pike
steep bane
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Giving exe frame in any way js makes it NE-Enchanter

robust violet
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Exe should not turn into jest, but this is not the way to solve it

deft roost
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reassignment is also not the way

robust violet
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I never claimed for that to be the way

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Reassignment is not a good thing either

deft roost
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a lot of exe reworks are "just reassign the target"

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exe should be manipulating town into killing town

steep bane
robust violet
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This rework is trying to get ONE townie to belive you. The point of exe is to get a majority of townies to believe you.

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All it takes is 1 vigi or jailor to trust you and thats it vs getting the majority of townies to believe you, like it should.

scenic pike
marsh prawn
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Me when my target dies n1 (I just have a massive skill issue)

echo garden
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L

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should've told coven not to kill them

vague sandal
steel lion
storm grove
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The point of executioner is to give town a reason not to blindly trust TI and play more social.

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Getting your target hung as exe is pretty well deserved whereas having then randomly die to trapper/bg is stupid

steel lion
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I agree, Ennybud, but hear me out

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this guy kinda has a point

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if Trapper/BG/ Jailor kill your target and you win, and there's no extra punishment, Town get rid of an evil for free

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It's actually a boon for them

storm grove
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losing your seer is NOT worth it

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losing your coroner is just L coro

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WAIT

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if your target IS bg or trapper you just win lmfao

steel lion
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Deputy shooting your target is already a troll based on Enchanter

Jailor misexecuting your target already loses charges, but if Executioner does not punish town for non public deaths, Exec leaving is a silver lining for town.

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If your target is a Seer and gets shot by Vet and you win off that, Town at least gets to say "Well shit, we fucking lost our seer but at least that guy is gone"

storm grove
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It’s much more worth trying to hang the exe in that case

steel lion
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yeah

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You want to hang the executioner

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always

stark copper
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Why is reassignment bad

steel lion
stark copper
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I understand Jest obviously, I'm talking about getting a new exe target if your current one dies, which OP is against

steel lion
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I feel like that makes sense if your target dies n1

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but after that, not really. It can work though with enough elbow grease.

storm grove
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the better alternative is having exe just choose a target then have it fail if they aren’t evil

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but this interaction might be super toxic in ranked