#Kill Power Nerfs

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waxen bramble
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Vigi: 1 shot, reloads if a town member is hung.

Dep: Taking suggestions idk. Kill power is fine tbh but confirmation with 0 depth is lame.

Vet: Taking suggestions idk.

Trick: If I had to pick something, unleashing destroys your magic mirror. Fine with no change though.

Jailor: 1 execution, no punishment.

Pros (the only buff in the list): Trials don't end the day, but you lose all charges if you guilty (1 kill)

Marshal: No bonus votes (the whole point is kp, why is he a micro mayor).

BG: Incapacitates players with basic defense instead of killing.

  • Incapacitated = Hard roleblocked for the next day and night

Trapper: Incapacitates attackers (Basis or no df) instead of killing.

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Basically nobody can get multiple kills except:

  • Marshal (nerfed in his own way)
  • Vigilante (only if you mislynch, fits the "vigilante justice" theme I think)
  • Trickster (if you can really count rampaging...)

Veteran TBD

queen sand
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I feel like trick is fine rn

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Idk

waxen bramble
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Kind of just wanted to do em all 🤷‍♂️ I don't have an opinion for that one

queen sand
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Also does bg still die?

waxen bramble
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yeah

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still kills coven and no defense attackers though

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unlike trapper who can't

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NK insurance

queen sand
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Literally no reason for ww to not bomb tpows with this

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Btw

waxen bramble
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you still get your attack cancelled

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Part of BG's effect

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no rampage

queen sand
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Still rampages

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Does it?

waxen bramble
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BG and Trickster are the two that stop rampage I think

queen sand
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Either way, you're only rbed for n3 when you can't attack anyway

waxen bramble
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Suppose it is safer than normal

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Incentivises not stacking on TPLO so hard

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I forget if trapper stops rampage, I know it stops the direct attack

queen sand
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It doesn't

waxen bramble
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maybe this trapper should since it has no kill power

old crystal
waxen bramble
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Oh

queen sand
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I thought so

waxen bramble
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well then

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I propose we add rampage-cancellation to the list

old crystal
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it is only trick and crus (flat out visit denial)

queen sand
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Ohh, forgot about crus for a sec

waxen bramble
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rampage cancellation and incapacitation in place of straight up killing (worse)

queen sand
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I like the vig change honestly

worldly oriole
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surely dep and vet are fine as is

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trick nerf in this economy 😔

queen sand
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Also jailor with one exe is rough

waxen bramble
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hard-roleblocking and anonymous chat is nothing to scoff about

queen sand
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Yeah

waxen bramble
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plus being confirmed by your mere existence on top of a kill that can't be blocked by anything but pois

worldly oriole
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seck

queen sand
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Now that I think about it, jailor is just better crus, tav and vig all at the same time

worldly oriole
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its called tpow for a reason idk

queen sand
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Ig

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Also, wouldn't incapacitate just be semi useless for coven

waxen bramble
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Yeah they can pass necro

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They're down an ability though

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That's why BG just kills em

queen sand
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Unfortunately trapper L

waxen bramble
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And if you had, say a conjurer holding your book and a ritualist, now you can't nuke or rit tomorrow because conj is hurt and rit is attacking

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Wait, it's not possible to get conj and rit ususually

queen sand
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I get the idea

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Maybe hex and conj

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Where hex has to attack and conj can't nuke

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Still pretty underwhelming for an ability that takes to nights to use

waxen bramble
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maybe make it less sensitive to dismantling

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it could just not trigger to normal visits.. ?

queen sand
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No info?

waxen bramble
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ig so. mass confirmation was pretty lame anyway.

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trapper + lo

queen sand
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If no info, than let it kill again

waxen bramble
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kill power though.......

queen sand
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This role takes 2 nights to tickle the coven

waxen bramble
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💀

queen sand
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And maybe slightly inconvenience a ww

waxen bramble
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Say it stops all affects of your visit

queen sand
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(while dieing in the process)

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Oh wait

waxen bramble
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Basically target UO for the next attacker that lasts 2 nights

queen sand
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You did say that

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My b

waxen bramble
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could add that it reveals the role of who was trapped too..

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seems in character

queen sand
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Bad

waxen bramble
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"My trap is triggered! And a brown tuft of fur remains!"

queen sand
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Random confirmation

waxen bramble
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For who ??

queen sand
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Ohh

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The killer

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Not the guy you place the trap on

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I thought you were proposing to reveal the role of whoever you place a trap on

waxen bramble
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lol 🔥

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town potion master

queen sand
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"hey guys, I trapped 6, they're pb"

waxen bramble
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you're hired

queen sand
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Ty ty

placid aurora
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because Jailor is

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well

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Jailor

placid aurora
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I'm not going to go on abt how stupid Jailord is though

placid aurora
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since it punishes evils

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the "if a town member is hung part"

waxen bramble
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placid aurora
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but vigi is still more powerful here since they can shoot right more than once

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anyways regarding this I don't like vigi's capability to reload if town is hung

placid aurora
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imo 2 exes sounds better than 1 but idk

placid aurora
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we aren't balancing around all any

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vigi takes out 2 evils compared to 1 for jailor, sounds like vigi is better

old crystal
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vigilante requires town to be actively be mislynched for a second bullet but jailor has more non kp utility

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waxen bramble
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vigi is better than cleric too, vigi is better than investigator, vigi is better than mayor, vigi is better than monarch, vigi is better than seer

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veteran is better than jailor

old crystal
waxen bramble
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I

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am being sarcastic

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listing out roles with less kill power

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anyways that's my two cents, bye :P

waxen bramble
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why do you have coin emojis

old crystal
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scp sl coin go

placid aurora
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:P

placid aurora
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true...

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anyways byeeeeee
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frank lichen
# queen sand Also jailor with one exe is rough

I don't think so, even 2 exes on jailor is overpowered, let alone 3.

I think reducing jailor to 1 execute drops it out of the 'overpowered' range while still being strong. Jailor is still a stronger Tavern Keeper with Crusader capabilities and night chat.

cinder mirage
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regal echo
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Jailor with one exe also op

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TPows shouldn't have the ability to kill

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but I'll admit that I don't know any better ability for Jailor atm

proud beacon
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honestly i like trickster being unchanged here, its not really a role that adds more KP than it really does just converting an evil kill to town kill

regal echo
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me when I kill the vigi with their own bullet (more vigilantism to save the mayor)

proud beacon
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🔥

cedar bloom
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Incapacitation

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Extended mayb

waxen bramble
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Ngl I think I cooked with at least half of these

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Yall are just haters

finite shoal
waxen bramble
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I just listed

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All killing roles

finite shoal
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y

waxen bramble
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Trickster is there too and I didn’t do anything

waxen bramble
# finite shoal y

Because I found this style of mass balancing was often positively received

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It didn’t work as you can see

waxen bramble
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-# and most people’s critiques don’t have an alternative so it’s kind of dumb. They’re looking at an opportunity cost that doesn’t exist.

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-# “but what if it was better” then make it, but give a thumbs up until then

meager quiver
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The Vig still looks a bit strong

polar lagoon
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is this satire?