#Just revert ONE of the ToS1->ToS2 Amne changes

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minor torrent
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either give it the neutral alignment back but keep the whole remembering the first role that dies thing, or let it choose a role to remember while keeping its TS alignment

I loved Amne in ToS1 but in ToS2 its just underwhelming, half the time you just get a shit role and cant do anything about it, especially in modes like ATT where all the good roles that claim d2 immediately get protection and the first to die is almost always a mediocre role that evils killed solely because they didn't think it would get TP

Also its the least interactive role in the game right now, having literally 0 INPUT aside from waiting until a townie dies

making it able to remember neutrals is probably the idea I like less, as it admittedly wouldnt impact too many games while making amne way rarer, plus a lot of early neutral deaths are weaker NKs or solo Apoc that gave up, so I would prefer the ability to choose your remembered role again. Could make it a bit scummy but it at least doesn't guarantee you get a shitty role

silk crag
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Takes a shot.

deft heart
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If I had a nickel for every time someone sugested TOS1 amne I would finally have enough to pay someone to remove Four Horsemen from All Any

plain vale
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Thanks to ya my liver fucking left me and my guts are producing alcohol by themselves

minor torrent
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honestly this is more me ranting about how annoying current amne is than anything LOL

soft basinBOT
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@minor torrent has leveled up! (4 ➜ 5)

minor torrent
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at the same time though I do feel like something is needed, Amne is just not there in its current state

topaz minnow
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amne only exists to reduce night 1 swing, need I say contingency planning is better yet again

silk crag
minor torrent
# silk crag amnesiac's issues are too deep seated to remove without a full role overhaul, an...

i know that and i agree, which is also why I only really want one of the changes; if its only the neutral alignment it will simply turn into the first dead role, and therefore it wont stay neutral, while with it being able to choose a role it would still be town only, and therefore it couldn't cause kingmakers and the like

Still flawed, just less so IMO than current Amne which just doesnt feel good to play despite being a role I love the concept of (enough to the point where "Amnesiac" has been my typical IGN of choice since ToS1)

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regardless you can tell that I didn't fully think about this and really just posted it because, given the sheer difference in shown forethought between this and the suggestion I posted a little while after which included practically an entire essay explaining it

topaz minnow
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Assuming neutral amne turns into the first role that dies, that this an awful lot of effort to implement when contingency planning does exactly the same thing (sorry to bring this up twice but neutral amne is essentially the same function)

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tbh I don't know why amne exists

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i guess ret can't use most tpows so the devs figured a dead jailor was too punishing (even though amne has a low chance of spawning without a ts slot)

undone lion
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Ever wonder what would happen if ToS1 Amne was an entirely different role, aligned as NP?