#Illusionist Rework - Guh?

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bleak girder
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Illu(lulu)sionist (Coven Deception)

Illusion (🌕/♾️) Special

  • Choose a role, the target you Mystify will look like this role when visiting and all results will match to this role

Mystify ( 🌕/♾️)

  • its basically like plunder where you select the special ability and then you use the action to use it. It's just the name of the ability that executes the illusion
  • you can only select anyone

Phantasm (♾️)

  • After selecting someone to Mystify you will then be able to select someone else with Phantasm
  • This makes it so that ur target that u chose to Mystify will appear to visit that player.
  • You will be able to visit anyone with this including dead players
  • Phantasm will flip that targets actions result for that night.

Other
You can choose to not send a phantasm
you are no longer astral
You cannot Mystify the same person twice in a row
Spys will pick up phantasms
Mystify and Phantasm are basically like control and target for twitch
You Can't phantasm someone twice in a row
Phantasms effects don't apply to TI

Example, You Illusion a Retributionist, you then mystify 9 to appear as retributionist, and then send your phantasm to visit the dead player 1.

Or you send a phantasm of 9 to 3, 3 is cleric who is on 9 and 9 didnt get attacked, so the result for their actions flips that night and is seen as saving someone

Interactions
Tracker - Will only see the phantasm visit of ur target. If they track you, you will be seen visiting ur target and where the phantasm went.

Lookout - You are able to catch any visit including the targets original visit and phantasm visit.

Spy - You will pick up the phantasm visit even if the target is made to look like a townie sorta like an enchanted townie. This also applies to the targets original visit where they will see the role they are made to look as but it will still pick up on the bug

Sheriff/Investigator/Seer - The results will appear as if the target was that role, so if a sheriff/seer checks a rit thats made to look like cleric it will be not sus. If a townie is made to look like a conj and the invest checks they will appear to be trespassing because they are made to look like the opposite faction etc.

Coro - is not fooled when checking the dead body but is fooled when they check for who the killer is

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TLDR: Illu can make themselves and others appear as another role and make an additional fake visit

median flame
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more coverage is nice but all it does is still bully TI

bleak girder
median flame
bleak girder
median flame
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unlike medusa, ench and also banshee..

bleak girder
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oh like that

median flame
bleak girder
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i mean ig i get that it is just a TI bypass

bleak girder
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it could work with this

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i just need to change the phantasm a bit

bleak girder
median flame
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what

bleak girder
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Phantasm currently doesnt count as a visit that triggers things like traps and such

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what if it did do that

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it could work better against things like

  • Crus
  • Trapper
  • Vet
median flame
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thats still not global enough and rather just niche cases

bleak girder
median flame
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i think it should only trigger crus feedback and trap ig

bleak girder
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maybe if the phantasm actually did something upon visit eh

bleak girder
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except TI*

median flame
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??

bleak girder
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like if a phantasm where to visit a crus that blocked someone, it would affect the crus by flipping the result which in this case would be that no one got uoed

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or if a jailor where to say execute someone it would say the execute failed even tho it didnt

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funny

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an issue would be that you could phantasm bully someone the entire game

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so maybe the effect should be like hangover where it can't happen twice in a row

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its actually incredibly useful

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outside of TI with that

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you can fake getting attacked

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Stop a crus from knowing something confirmable

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Illusionist Rework - Guh?

mighty fog
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Um, couldn't you say it was Illusion with a role wheel?

bleak girder
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You can illusion anyone

mighty fog
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Yea then why didn't you?

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Why go to the trouble of saying 2 different words?

bleak girder
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because you select 2 things at night

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illusion is the wheel

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it also makes keeping the same thing saved easier

mighty fog
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Delete Mystify keyword and just rename it to Illusion

Illusion becomes the rolewheel

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then Phantasm can stay ig

bleak girder
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you cant have the same thing twice

mighty fog
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Yeah but you don't need another keyword for that

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just call the entire ability Illusion

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I did the same thing with Framer

bleak girder
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you cant have the same thing twice im pretty sure

mighty fog
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Wait

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can Illusion select evil roles

bleak girder
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yea

mighty fog
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Eats Enchanter

median flame
bleak girder
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it illusions as evils for frames or to frame it as another role. Enchanter serves really well for dead frames but i think it needs a buff to it like lingering alterations

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or smthn

mighty fog
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For comparison, here is my Framer suggestion (yes I decided to delete Disguiser)

bleak girder
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For like every role with a special action where you select the special action and then pick a target. They never have the same name. And nothing every does have the same thing

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so its wildly inconsistent with the rest of the game

mighty fog
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Enchanter, Ritualist, Forger etc. all having rolewheels:

bleak girder
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i said about the naming

mighty fog
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Illusion is just a rolewheel💀

bleak girder
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blood ritual in itself is literally just a menu

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where you select the target in

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it

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same for doomsayer

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enchanters ability switches the current action which is not the same

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same for plunder

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even tho that isnt a wheel*

mighty fog
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They are the same thing actually

rolewheels allow you to select the particular role you want to show

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plunder doesn't have a wheel its just 3 options

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I would get rid of the extra keywords if I were you