#Socialite

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heavy path
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Alignment: Town Support

Attack: None
Defense: None

Attributes:
Roleblock immune

Whitelist (♾️ ,🌙 )
During the night, chose 2 players to Endow and Favor, adding them to your whitelist for the following day. These are temporary and are replaced each night.

Bar (♾️ , ☀️ )
Choose a player to restrict the visits of, using your current whitelist. You may not bar the same player twice in a row.
If they are town, if they attempt to visit anyone but the two targets who were on the whitelist, they will hit an Unknown Obstacle.
If they are evil, they will only be able to visit the players who are whitelisted (similar to seer).

Notes:
If you are controlled, only the Endowed player is changed, the Favored player does not change.
You may whitelist the same players as many times as you wish.

Basic concept
Thoughts?

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Its hard to make a town support that doesnt immediately confirm itself, which is part of the reason Socialite was removed before. This is trying to do that

cyan lintel
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inverse crus?

heavy path
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sort of? You are limiting the visits of a player

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like you could choose 2 town power claims and then bar a tp to make sure they visit them

upper hazel
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Interesting

heavy path
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im realizing this has the issue of only really confirming itself if it hurts town or gets tracked, because evils have no obligation to claim they didnt just visit one of the 2 targets

upper hazel
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all roles should be fakeable anyways, that is not a downside

idle flume
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the wording on this is kind of confusing?

heavy path
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what about it? you add 2 people to a list, and then bar a player from visiting anyone but those two players

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I can reword it if it makes it more clear

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"Endow" and "Favor" are just Seer's Gaze and Intuit

upper hazel
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evils know who those two players are

idle flume
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ohh

upper hazel
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seems like a tav sidegrade

idle flume
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that's why bar is the day ability

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i was confused

upper hazel
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i’m not sold yet

upper hazel
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so evils know who to target

idle flume
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yeah

heavy path
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immediately apparent effects and bookholder can become a lot more apparent and doesn't hurt town nearly as much as Tav has the potential too

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I think its different enough to warrant not being a Tav sidegrade

upper hazel
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it’s highly likely that someone is just evil if they claim to visit one of your targets

upper hazel
heavy path
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being fakeable is good but being totally unconfirmable is worse, since you have to go out of your way to hurt town

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this would probably need to do something else to hurt evils or help town to make itself... exist

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since if you're doing your job right no one would ever know

upper hazel
heavy path
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you make a fair point, counterpoint is that TS shouldnt be held to the standard of TI

upper hazel
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there’s a way to deal with confirmation called using your brain

heavy path
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TI and TP feel like the "fake claim" and ts and tk are more easily confirmable

upper hazel
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this is not by design

heavy path
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every evil on their way to fake claim Trickster because its a TP graded TK

upper hazel
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you could make tav silent

heavy path
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I guess thats true, its just by happenstance

upper hazel
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but casual players wouldn’t like that

heavy path
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in terms of being a tav sidegrade im thinking of what it could do versus tav

you could add 2 town power claims and bar a tp and either you havent hurt town or you've HEAVILY RESTRICTED an evil role

actually this would probably just always target town powers with the whitelist

idle flume
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how would silent tav affect investigative abilities?

heavy path
idle flume
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and then you know you got roleblocked

heavy path
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...right?

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silent tav doesnt really work

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which is why it isnt silent

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but roleblocking ts/tp/tk would give basically no confirmation and make it harder to claim

upper hazel
heavy path
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The main goal of this is getting evils to use their abilities/kill non-confirmed players, all 3 targets you are choosing will probably usually be evil

If you HAPPEN to hit 3 evils even better because then they just cant kill and then you are a tav (unlikely)

upper hazel
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people could just rb the spy

heavy path
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Tav would be encouraged to roleblock TIs to confirm itself, and then its not doing its job as well as it could

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thats part of what issue I have with this design

upper hazel
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tav on tplo night 1 then tav on spy night 2

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i still think this would be interesting to try

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but that's a CTS thing

cyan lintel
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general disruption message for TI

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or making it so they get the most innocent result possible

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NS/Nc

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or NV for visit TI

signal oracle
north vale
cyan lintel
barren pewter
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I kind of like this

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defently best soc ive seen

past hawk
upper hazel
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they would see the bug never happened

craggy swan
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cool idea

maiden dirge
upper hazel
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yeah it's just tplo spy seer psy trick tav

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the meta stays the same

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pretty much