Remove Haunt from Jester

[jaunty pecan]

yay I hanged fake player as town and got punished for it
yay I mislynched non cov as cov and my teammate died because of it

they don't happen anymore, but town still get punished for wasting trial on Jester

[brittle dock]

needs sth else

as a punishment

throne of lies fool does the no trials thing and -1 charge from all guilty/abstaining voters

but charge thing overlaps with auditor

[jaunty pecan]

some ppl suggested silence (which I think is bad) or isolation

as far as I saw

[brittle dock]

flavorwise makes no sensr

[mystic charm]

A REALLY funny idea is whoever the Jester Haunts turns into a Jester

a never-ending loop

[brittle dock]

coven turned jester

outing all team

[mystic charm]

should've dodged the Haunt

[brittle dock]

real

[jaunty pecan]

at this point all NEs leaving can share same punishment (-1 trial)

but that may be a bit too much of a stretch

[left adder]

Perhaps a Person they chose guilty and instead of killing mabye simply stop them form use there ability for a night or day depending on role

[dusty mica]

Town after the third NE wins

[left adder]

Due to the guilt form jester

[mystic charm]

Town after the Doomsayer kills two Coven and an NK (there's one less trial now no!)

[plush rivet]

Here's a stupid idea
Lower the amount of time during the Voting phase if a Jester is hanged
Compliments the -1 trial Exe has while not being the same punishment

[jaunty pecan]

although this works better for inq since it's mostly vigi that spawns in NE slot

[mystic charm]

Assuming it's an additive removal of time, I wonder how many Jesters would it take until the time is in the negatives

[dusty mica]

There are 2 trials today
It is too late to continue voting

[left adder]

Well so if they hang pirate then get -1 doesn't seem fair town only getting 1 trail left per day makes rather to much of punishment imo

Leaving just saw that

But if pirate wins wicth town can't really know who pirate attacks

[jaunty pecan]

hanging jester activates fast mode

[dusty mica]

Hanging jester activates slow mode, suffer

[left adder]

Pirate can easily get wins by dc then town just loses a vote so feel not adding on Pirate or else tp will have to start going dc over confirmed people

[jaunty pecan]

pirate isn't even NE we can forget about it

[plush rivet]

I was something thinking like halving the time and just making Jester unique

[jaunty pecan]

just don't pull that name up again ok

[left adder]

It's not ne?

[plush rivet]

Not in modded

[jaunty pecan]

it's moved to NS in modded

[left adder]

Ah

Right keep forgetting

[craggy pulsar]

Why arent all NEs unique again?

[left adder]

This modded

[azure meteor]

devs are allergic to making evils unique unless absolutely necessary

[craggy pulsar]

if thats the case, devs are like me when i was younger

Cuz i was allergic to so many fucking things

[plush rivet]

They should be, half of them are already unique and Doomsayer should probably be unique already anyways

[azure meteor]

NKs should also be unique but that's its own conversation

[mystic charm]

Because it's funny when 4 doomsayers all doom each other and win off of that

[jaunty pecan]

we don't need to make nes unique bcuz most of the list cannot spawn more than 2 nes anyways

outside of taa but if we are picking taa we are all sucker for 3 jester game

[mystic charm]

the "targetter" NEs are unique while the other ones aren't. I'm assuming it's to avoid too much targetting overlap

[jaunty pecan]

was exe still unique?

[left adder]

Tos 1 no but in tos 2 was made unique not sure about moded its been while since playing moded tos

[plush rivet]

I think exe is unique so multiple exes don't end up adding the One Trial modifier to the game.

or the no trial modifier

[tough merlin]

MFW everyone guilties the jester:

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[soft void]

this is very helpful to town lol

"Jester was hung, no need to spam to vote someone. Now we can discuss."

[tough merlin]

Make jester anti-evil

Jester has to convince evils to guilty them

[soft void]

Jester now knights a player and gives them powerful defense

[tough merlin]

Jester now knights a player every night

[soft void]

that'll show the stinky pros

[jaunty pecan]

idc you skulled this every NE leaving should have punishment of some sort and I'll die on this hill

[sacred gust]

Me after doom exe inq left 0 trials

[wise crest]

easy fix

[jaunty pecan]

doesn't have to be same punishment
just some sort of punishment for each NE winning

[wise crest]

If NE wins when only 1 trial remains you could just

disable trials next day

[jaunty pecan]

that works too

[wise crest]

punishing enough while not making town hard lose

[sacred gust]

But basically haveing 1 trial mod on isn't going to be fun

[jaunty pecan]

that's on you for letting too many NEs win

[wise crest]

then dont let the NE win

shrug

its inherently only flawed if said neutral evil is flawed

(take: doomsayer guessing 3 evils to win, jester)

[wise crest]

yes jester is very flawed

unfortunately nothing will ever be done so its just whatever

[left adder]

But exe makes you already lose 1 so if exe wins 2 trails are gone right

[tough merlin]

trails

[wise crest]

real

[jaunty pecan]

nah exe still only takes 1 trials
dunno why you thought like that

it's just every NE win takes 1 trial off

or just giving NEs winning punishment in general

[swift blaze]

I had the idea for vote possession? Probably not that good thougghhhh so nooo

[jaunty pecan]

considering most of vote manipulation role is getting some sort of hate that prob won't be a good idea yea

[wise crest]

terror

[swift blaze]

woe is me

[swift blaze]

Fair

[regal ginkgo]

[jaunty pecan]

just hang em

bro isn't meant to be NE vigi

[mental needle]

Mfw when the Inquis wins like d2-d3 and town randomly loses one trial

[jaunty pecan]

then we can give inq less punishing punishment

[mental needle]

Like having two townies dead?

[wise crest]

or that its pretty much flawed for certain roles to have said punishment without hard changes to it

[mystic charm]

Mfw Doomsayer kills Two Coven and one NK (there will be one less trial)

[wise crest]

mfw we lose a trial because we lynched coven heretic

[jaunty pecan]

ok that's fair

I'd still argue inq should have some sort of punishment though just so it doesn't randomly become extra town, but that wouldn't be possible without changing how role works like lagspikes said

[jaunty hound]

@jaunty pecan has leveled up! (10 ➜ 11)

[wise shuttle]

If removing Haunt is on the table, I feel like removing trial and roleblocking town would be easy enough to give as a try.

Disincentivize Jester being given free wins