Jackals and Hyenas (CTTJR) - Casual Mode List

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Modifiers:

Coven Town Traitor
Necro Passing

Roles:

Crusader
Town Power
Town Power
Town Investigative
Town Investigative
Town Protective
Town Killing
Random Town
Common Town
Common Town

Random Coven
Common Coven
Common Coven

Neutral Pariah

Jackal

Bans:

Veteran
Dreamweaver

Searched up "animal known for backstabbing" and got Hyena lol

Jackals and Hyenas (Casual Mode List)

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town isnt winning this in any world

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I did NOT see the ctt modi

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??

Jackals are already 9v7 off the rip

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But a TT/rec list is interesting

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8v7*

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meant that lol

This is literally CJR and CTT combined together lol

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but the issue here is

1. TT
2. guaranteed NP and not CN

3. potential for 2 salient coven

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I mean, CJR has that as well.

two RCs with two CCs

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Freak did TT do

[ancient rock]

well
now the jailor has double odds of being evil

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actually fair point yeah

I'll turn it into one RC two CCs

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legit the only way to balance this is both removing the NP and having zero CT or RT slots

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Cn can kill both backstabbers

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but I'd either add NP or RN, I dislike the notion of CN

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i'm talking like
Town Investigative
Town Investigative
Town Investigative
Town Protective
Town Protective
Town Killing
Town Killing
Town Power
Town Power
Town Support
Town Support

Coven Killing
Common Coven
Common Coven
Jackal

town might actually stand a chance in this

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Me when Coven has 0 claimspace

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that's the point

the only way you balance these obscenely evil-sided numbers is by removing claimspace

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do you dislike CJR?

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yes

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fair enough

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i dislike all jackal modes simply because town starts without majority

only exception is AJR

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AJR is my least favorite jackal mode tbh

JR > PJR > AJR for me

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additionally, assuming town still has the votes somehow

unless an ability intervenes, town has to hang evil everyone single day to win

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same ngl

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Cuz recruits are beyond swingy in pjr

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town has ZERO room for mistakes

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me when the Recruit could either be Banshee or Warlock:

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and that's not even mentioning if you hang recs before either hanging jackal or all cov
that raises KPN to 2

granted jackal is probably on the hunt for coven but still

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Tempted to make NP turn into RN for the chance of 3 KPN

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remove the neutral

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I wonder how removing a pand/cov work in pjr/jr

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9v3v3 is already scumsided as fuck
dont even think about 8v3v3v1

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Replacing it with a Town makes it pretty Town sided lol

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ever played comp JR?

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Wait jackals can start with more maj than cov lol

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Thankfully not FUCK comp modes

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three/four opposing factions against each other would make Town's 9 player majority pretty steady

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it's only 2

town, cov, jackals

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it's three here

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and an 8 player majority, not 9

not to mention TT hunt

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I'm referring to Onyx asking how removing a pand/cov would work in pjr/jr

[ancient rock]

oh ok

yeah the only reason comp JR having 2 NKs vs 3 jackals is tolerable is cuz the 2 NKs are
well
2 NKs

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also I am NOT turning this mode into "rolelist deduction hell"

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at least remove the neutral

comp JR is more balanced than coven JR simply bc its 9v6 and not 8v7

(although the number of times i've had the recs and an NK kill each other is disgusting)

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I like JR and I want to see CTTJR in play 🤷‍♂️

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well get rid of the neutral at least

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ATTJR would be called "Jackals and Cerberus"

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14v3v3 is standard for jackal modes
accounting for town being ridiculously overpowered it's still 11v3v3 at least should be balanced

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or is Jackals and Hellhounds better?

Jackals and Hyenas (CTTJR) - Casual Mode List

[ancient rock]

yeah 11v3v3 is as balanced as CTT

5 correct lynches to 2 mislynches

so at least do 9v3v3

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9v3v3 makes it hella Town sided

at best, I can give an Executioner

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11v3v3 is balanced shut up

well

11v3v3 is balanced if CR is balanced

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17 players?

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yes

9v3v3 is slightly scumsided

better than insanely scumsided

and in 9v3v3 i might just not kill recs as coven the second i can

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Veteran and Dreamweaver try not to get banned from every mode challenge (impossible)

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Dreamweaver and Veteran were banned in CTT and CJR respectively, and this list is literally both of them combined