#Arsonist Rework - More Deception

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austere latch
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Arsonist - Neutral Killing

Attack: Unstoppable Defense: Basic
Abilities: Douse and Ignite players

Douse

Visit a player and Douse them and learn their role
Players who are Doused will appear to be the Arsonist to Enemy Investigatives
Players you win with are immune to this effect, but you will still learn their role
You will passively use this on your own visitors regardless if you get Disrupted

Ignite (Special)

Deal an Astral Indirect attack to all Doused players
You will destroy the last will and role of players you kill with this ability
You will Ignite players who visited you on the same night you use this

Attributes

If a Doused player dies, you will learn who killed them, which Role killed them and how they
When you die, all players who you Doused are no longer Doused
You will learn information that you destroy privately
You will learn who visited you at night
You have Detection Immunity
You are Unique

TLDR

  • Douse frames as Arsonist (Helps it hide amongst the crowd)
  • Arsonist has more information to work off of (It doesnt have the luxury of easily disposing of threats like other NK, this should compensate by helping it identify threats and to plan better)
  • Arsonist no longer friendly fires their allies (No other NK can do it)
  • Arsonist can destroy information to help it with earlier ignites (Reduce mechanical information to help arsonist not get PoE'd)
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rapid jetty
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arsonist if it was fucking INSANE like holy shit

austere latch
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@sharp lagoon you gonna explain or

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should i get to guessing why

rapid jetty
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frame 1

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there was no startup

austere latch
sharp lagoon
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Why is Arsonist role revealer

spring dew
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I join the dislike train 🔥

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Anyway

austere latch
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instead of being helpless

spring dew
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Arsonist shouldnt have this, Shroud should have the reveal ability aside from that its fine

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🟰

sharp lagoon
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"Arsonist no longer friendly fires their allies (No other NK can do it)"

Bro, 3/4 NK can kill each other

austere latch
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can they

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(arsonist can because its special)

sharp lagoon
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Just let NP clean themselves

austere latch
rapid jetty
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it's almost like we're balancing for lists with only one NK

spring dew
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would it not be better for nps just to have

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yk safe?

rapid jetty
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why should arso even be able to kill them in the first place

austere latch
spring dew
sharp lagoon
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Because fire strong

rapid jetty
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also doesn't safe not remove douses

prisma axle
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Arsonist if it was on steroids

austere latch
rapid jetty
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yeah

spring dew
rapid jetty
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it doesn't remove primers

spring dew
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since its ethereal

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lore balancing 🔥

austere latch
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unironically this is still probably weaker than current serial killer

sharp lagoon
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Lore wise wtf even is Etheral Defense

rapid jetty
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speaking of arsonist lag you should check out the changes i made to arsonist in hired guns

spring dew
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I just dont like the idea of Arsonist revealing its something shroud needs more than arsonist, arsonist is already good

austere latch
spring dew
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and starspawn is like god

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or just a star

sharp lagoon
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Just give Arsonist "X visited you so you doused them"

austere latch
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it doesnt have the luxury of being able to directly dispose threats so it has the tradeoff of easier identification of them

spring dew
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so stars cant die by evil things but by vigis apparently

rapid jetty
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every NK needs all the help they can get given jailor is confirmed to not be getting nerfed and we're likely not seeing coven's access to powerful go away any time soon.

spring dew
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lore balance aside

spring dew
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which is what this does ^^

austere latch
spring dew
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I think so

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I was complaining because uhm- "It would make fake claiming more easy!"

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😭

austere latch
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spinning skull

prisma axle
rapid jetty
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the NK being able to fake claim easier?

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horrid. i want it out of my sight immediately.

spring dew
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that was so 2024 noah I've changed!

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kind of

rapid jetty
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this would be absolutely fucking insane in compliance btw

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i know we're not balancing for it but like

austere latch
rapid jetty
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holy shit

austere latch
prisma axle
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Glad nobody plays compliance

rapid jetty
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this would never work with hired guns 😔

austere latch
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compliance is only being played because serial killer rework

rapid jetty
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i've had it on the brain all day

prisma axle
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I love how arsonist is jnsgawjn in hired gun

rapid jetty
prisma axle
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Instawin *

rapid jetty
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better hex master

austere latch
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true

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hex on steroids

rapid jetty
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hex master if it was fucking good

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new arso buff: doused players will receive unknown obstacle when visiting other doused players or the arsonist

prisma axle
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Hmmmmmmmmm

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Where have I seen that before

rapid jetty
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whaaaaat nooooooo Antics

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i would never thieve

coral kiln
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Ok

static hull
golden atlas
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I didn't read this I just saw that this said more deception

austere latch
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read it 🙏

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i even put a tldr

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so people didn’t have to read much

humble dust
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Ok I just have 1 complain

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Why the fuck are we giving incetivicers to kill the doused

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Like you want to keep doused alive to insta win

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But framing them as an evil isnt rll a good way...

austere latch
austere latch
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and im following the logic of arsonist being able to hide better with more people doused

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theres also no incentive to kill the doused

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but a douse dying wouldn’t be a complete waste of time

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by getting some information on their death

crisp kernel
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The Douse frame mechanic has the downside of making Arsonist fully Investigator immune

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also all NKs barring Shroud can friendly fire lol

austere latch
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additionally multiple NK of the same type is just stupid so i don't really consider that

crisp kernel
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"allies" implies similar win conditions. NPs win with the death of Town, not the elimination of "all who oppose them".

austere latch
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"allies" boils down to like

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four things

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pariahs, lovers, jackal + recruit and itself if controlled into itself

crisp kernel
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recs and lovers have the same wincon.

Pariahs are conspirators willing to help anyone that can achieve their own goal