#Psychic Rework - Noah

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orchid cloak
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"Your target has the sight. They must be a Psychic!'

Alignment: Town Investigative
** Attack Attack** - None
** Defense Defense** - None

(♾️/🛡️) Tarot Card

  • Select 2 different alignments to pull from your deck of Tarot Cards.
  • When you Vision someone, you will learn if they belong to one of the chosen alignments.
  • Once done you can select submit.

(♾️) Vision

  • Additionally, select a player to grant them a Vision based on your chosen Tarot Cards.
  • You will learn if they belong to one of two alignments.

** Oracle Attributes**

  • Your information may be fooled by Illusionist & Enchanter
  • You cannot make your deck all Evil roles or all Town roles.

Win Conditions

  • Eliminate every criminal and evildoer.
- Town
- Coven 
- Apocalypse
- Neutral Killing
- Neutral Evil
- Neutral Pariah
- Neutral Special
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This is probably really bad but oh well I got the idea from another game and thought it may work?

dusk briar
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alignments as in like

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town, coven or neutral?

burnt bobcat
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this is confusing ngl

orchid cloak
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Basically take doomsayer UI but add it to psychic but its just alignments and thats what this is

dusk briar
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what's the range we're talking here

heady tulip
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if so thats very strong

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and bad

dusk briar
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like

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town/coven/apoc/neutral?

orchid cloak
dusk briar
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this is a free alignment cop dude

orchid cloak
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oh

heady tulip
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and ti

orchid cloak
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hmmm

dusk briar
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noah never said subalignment

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they said alignment

orchid cloak
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what if I changed to what jade said

dusk briar
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wait it was subalignments?

orchid cloak
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Coven/Town/Neutral

orchid cloak
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never specified

dusk briar
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if you expand it to like

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town/coven/apoc/NK/jackal/NE/NP then maybe

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but even then this is free alignment cop in modes with one evil faction and a pariah

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i just don't think this is a very good idea in general

orchid cloak
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- Town
- Coven 
- Apocalypse
- Neutral Killing
- Neutral Evil
- Neutral Pariah
- Neutral Special
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Like this?

dusk briar
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that'd probably be best, though i'd maybe seperate the NS into cs/jackal/vamp

orchid cloak
dusk briar
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this is just really strong no matter how you flavor it

grand igloo
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better sheriff

dusk briar
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in modes with only one evil faction and a pariah like TT modes, you just check someone for those two and instantly learn if they're evil

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it's slightly less powerful in multiball but even then you can swap out the pariah check for something like coven/jackal in JR and learn if someone is directly opposing your win condition

grand igloo
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I don't think there is a way to make this work without it being a better or worse sheriff

dusk briar
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yeah

orchid cloak
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RIP so this aint it?

dusk briar
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this ain't it chief

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soz

delicate cedar
versed spade
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It's an Alignment checker if you choose Town and NS lol

orchid cloak
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cause they just arent in there

burnt bobcat
orchid cloak
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so it wont matter

burnt bobcat
waxen tinsel
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Taa

versed spade
waxen tinsel
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April

burnt bobcat
orchid cloak
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just revealed as rng

burnt bobcat
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or NP if NE is present

versed spade
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It's realistically a stronger Sheriff

lunar dune
orchid cloak
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yeah I know its broken now I just wannted to try smth new and erase RNG

versed spade
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If you choose Town and NK, you have as much coverage as Sheriff, with the added benefit of avoiding book

orchid cloak
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like I did admirer kinda

versed spade
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I was thinking about this a bit more, and it's really not that powerful lol

It's just NK/NS Bullier Sheriff (With no Necronomicon Deception)

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(assuming you are unable to choose alignments that cannot spawn)
Worse than Sheriff in ATT (rolelist limitations, you'd look for apoc but sacrifice looking for NP)
Slightly better than Sheriff in AJR (since in theory, it could find NKs and NSes)
better than Sheriff in CTT (No Necronomicon detection immunity, but you'd sacrifice looking for the NP)
better than Sheriff in CJR (same reasonings for AJR and CTT)
better than Sheriff in PTT (same reasonings for CTT)
better than Sheriff in PJR (same reasonings for CJR)
worse in Compliance funny enough, due to rolelist limitations

and also yeah better than Sheriff in TAA

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It feels like it'd be a stronger role, but it's just a (generally) better Cop lol

orchid cloak
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idk how to make it better tbh

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this was from another game so its probably a botc scenario where it only works in that specific game

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because it was built for it

versed spade
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Like, the comparison between this and Sheriff is

  • Sheriff looks for instances of illegal magic usage (NEs are magical sue me)
  • This more-so has a picture of their target and compares their features (Racist Sheriff 🔥)
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WAIT A MINUTE THIS IS JUST A RACIST SHERIFF LMAOOOOOOOO

versed spade
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it's literally a Sheriff+ (and still isn't as strong as Seer or Invest)

orchid cloak
orchid cloak
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Also one question

versed spade
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I do think people see "alignment Cop" and think this role's going to be busted as shit, but really all it does different from Sheriff is that it bypasses Necronomicon lol (and struggle against NEs and NPs funny enough)

orchid cloak
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originally this was going have 3 alignment guesses so it wouldnt have to do much aside from do the Doomsayer UI shenanigans' would that made it any better?

versed spade
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there's only Town, NP, and Coven/Apoc in those lists lol

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I do think the hate for this role is unwarranted, but it's not that interesting of a role in the grand scheme of things

grand igloo
obsidian schooner
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You can basically just choose town and neutral special for any tt mode and you get one of the most bland TIs possible

orchid cloak
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i mean tt registers as a townie so its not like your accomplishing much aside from finding main evils

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Im gonna just add the fact you cant put neutral tarots if they just dont exist

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for list based

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not taa

obsidian schooner
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Okay so X evil faction and NP

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does same thing

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Or in PTT even better: Coven + Apoc

orchid cloak
obsidian schooner
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How would that work

orchid cloak
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and instead sub

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since theres too little

obsidian schooner
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Sub-alignment checks would kinda ruin a lot of town bluffs

orchid cloak
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its 3 guesses

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and also just to make it less on the nose

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general alignments if it was just 3 just doesnt work

obsidian schooner
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3 guesses?

orchid cloak
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Coven Utility, Town Support, Town Protective submit then select 3

obsidian schooner
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What if you are trying to bluff as town is my question

orchid cloak
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Well if its subalignments you wouldnt have to worry about it

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Lemme give a scenario

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obsidian schooner
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I think there is potential of some sort here

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But yeah it has the old investigator issue

warped lintel
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This actually can be fooled by Illusionist so it is automatically good.

That aside, I think I'd like to see more thoughts about psychic floating around even if this one isn't a winner.

orchid cloak
orchid cloak
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even if it has a few flaws

warped lintel
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Well it's good to have ideas, so do keep submitting them sir.

warped lintel