Egotist Nerf

[tropic haven]

Egotist's adrenaline starts at 80% on day 2.

Egotist's speed boost itself is great for cutting unnecessary time during the day late game, however early game Town could do with a proper amount of time, especially given the uncertainty of usual info. Additionally, this prevents the speed boost from getting out of hand by day 4 (160% - cut's town's time by 37.5%).

[weak pelican]

Egotist isn't meant to help Town lol

[tropic haven]

well yes but you only get extra time on day 2

day 3 is 100%

day 4 and onwards your time is cut

but this at least makes that time cut manageable for town

[weak pelican]

Under the assumption that the game ends on day 7, and that day 1 is not factored, that means Ego doesn't take into effect for a third of the game

[tropic haven]

bro's literally ignoring the fact that there's an evil running around able to perfectly replicate a town ability

[weak pelican]

It's better to nerf the amount Ego's adrenaline affects the game, instead of arbitrarily slowing down the game at the beginning

[bitter scarab]

Egotist needs some tweaks sure

But that aint it

[vernal bobcat]

me when I add rip-off slowmode

[tropic haven]

.... slowmode is 50%..

[bitter scarab]

Why dont we make egotist lower the amount of trials after reaching lets say 140%

[vernal bobcat]

why do you think I called it rip-off

[weak pelican]

If the issue is that it gets fast too quickly, just reduce how much it gets faster by lmao

[tropic haven]

also only day 2 is slower

[bitter scarab]

D2 - 120
D3 - 140
D4 - 140 + 2 trials
D5 - 140 + 1 trial

[drifting herald]

Social reads in MY mechanical deduction game?

[vernal bobcat]

I dont even have to explain why this is bad

[tropic haven]

yes

[bitter scarab]

Explain it

[worthy shore]

egotist surely registers as town and doesn't get outed on d2 for existing

[tropic haven]

altho egotist is harder to read since they dont have TMI on who coven is

[worthy shore]

[bitter scarab]

You lose trial as the game goes on

[worthy shore]

I despise Egotist so much

[bitter scarab]

Forcing you to eliminate em

[weak pelican]

D2 - 115
D3 - 130
D4 - 145
D5 - 160

25% decrease in speed increase

[tropic haven]

145% is still barely manageable

[weak pelican]

Under the assumption that Egos are supposed to be NPs but Town, this makes Egos an NP with trial manip

[tropic haven]

exe

for one thing

exe + D5 egotist = 0 trials per day

[vernal bobcat]

honestly just shouldve played better

[bitter scarab]

Exe isnt on any list with ego

[drifting herald]

The children yearn for judge.

[worthy shore]

Ego rework idea: Slows the game by 20% per day. On d5, the game speed becomes 0% and everyone loses

[vernal bobcat]

ego TAA:

[bitter scarab]

Not an official list

[worthy shore]

Jeams:

[drifting herald]

Ego TAA isn't a real list, and chaos lists are stupid by design

[tropic haven]

The issue is 150% is really the maximum adrenaline before town can't do much better than rando guessing

[worthy shore]

I need to make an alphabet of _eams lists

[vernal bobcat]

150% isnt that fast?

[tropic haven]

(and using yesterday's info i guess)

[tropic haven]

it's insane

at 150% you can't social read anymore

[weak pelican]

The music gives off the impression that the game is incomprehensible. If the music isn't the nightcore that it is, it wouldn't feel as fast

[tropic haven]

"#aga install greenies" (in ur name)

[tropic haven]

60 / 1.5 = 40 seconds

uh

[vernal bobcat]

40 seconds is a long time

[weak pelican]

40 seconds is plenty of time lol

[tropic haven]

60 seconds is too short

[vernal bobcat]

??????????????

[worthy shore]

Egotist buff: Now holds the Holy Hand Grenade. Passively throws it at the first Town aligned player to speak, dealing an Unstoppable Attack and banning them from the game.

[vernal bobcat]

bro cannot think quickly 😭

[tropic haven]

usually you get 300 seconds per day okay

in less complex SDGs

[bitter scarab]

Aaand no more context

[weak pelican]

but that doesn't mean Town should have 375 seconds d2 lol

[worthy shore]

aga installs the greenies, then again stalls them so i can finally be against all greenies

[weak pelican]

also this isn't a complex SDG

[tropic haven]

i get ToS is meant to be rather fast because people can't social read to save their lives

so that extra time is usually useless

[vernal bobcat]

ToS2 hasnt really got any social deduction

its just deduction 95% of the time

[tropic haven]

that's uh

that's an issue

[weak pelican]

If people can't social read with 60 seconds, they shouldn't play ego where they get less time to social read lmao

[bitter scarab]

Thats how tos2 is designed

[tropic haven]

yeah but egotist was the only 10v5 mode available

so i had no choice but to vote it

[bitter scarab]

Pretty hard to get social reads on a text based sdg

[weak pelican]

I personally find Ego bearable until d6

[vernal bobcat]

double speed is where it starts getting a bit out of hand

[tropic haven]

I personally find Ego bearable until d2

[bitter scarab]

Voicechat / irl sdg are sdg where you can social read

[vernal bobcat]

this is genuinely a you issue

[weak pelican]

if you find 1.2x speed unbearable, that's a you issue

[tropic haven]

at least at normal speed using all 3 trials grants roughly 3 minutes in the day

[vernal bobcat]

changes should not be because 5 people cant handle the game running 20% faster than usual

[tropic haven]

okay 1.2 speed grants 2 and a half it's not that bad

1.4 is 143 seconds

1.6 is 112.5

[vernal bobcat]

am I not crazy for thinking thats still a lot of time

[worthy shore]

Me staring in horror at my ATT vote (A single other person voted it) as the Triple Trouble votes climb up to 8:

(Our fate is sealed)

[tropic haven]

you're not

but in the context of a deduction game you are

ngl if town had the proper 5 minutes per day they'd win
like
every single time
unless something abhorrent spanwed

[worthy shore]

This is because Town are insanely powerful

Informed Majority 😭

[tropic haven]

me when I balance insane power by truncating the game's primary gameplay loop:

[tropic haven]

got an ion on my leg