#Veteran Rework

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sage osprey
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Veteran - Town Killing

Attack: Basic Defense: None
Abilities
Place your Oversight on players
Go on Alert

Oversight (2)

Visit a player and Oversee them, passively Scoping all Evil players who visit them
You may select a second player Astrally to remove them from your Oversight
If a Scoped player visits your Overseen player, you attack them and consume a charge
If you visit a Scoped player you will attack them and consume a charge
If you run out of charges of this, you will lose your Alert charge
You will lose charges on attacking players

Alert (1, Special)

Stay home and Bounce all of your Town visitors
You will gain Basic defense and attack an Evil visitor
You will consume a charge of Oversight if you attack a player
You may not use this ability on the first night

Attributes

You prioritize attacking players who have been Scoped longer, then Attackers, then players who will die
You may have two players under your Oversight at a time
You will learn if you marked atleast one player
You will only attack one player at a time
You will learn who you attack

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Tldr: Visit interception based Veteran with several bait mechanics stapled on so you can't just attack TK claim n2 (why does this have to be a thing)

Im not sure how this would interact in a TOS2 environment so adjustments may need to be made

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this also can't possibly be as bad as other stuff that got posted today

torn dew
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Way less fun than regular vet ngl

sage osprey
torn dew
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Would rather kill half the town if it’s funny

sage osprey
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fun for me not for thee

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mfw im tt and die n1 to vet

misty marsh
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i think i like all of your other vet reworks better but this still fine-ish

torn dew
misty marsh
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i think the proc could be a little easier

sage osprey
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ngl

final wind
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it seems a bit strong but i like the idea compared to you visit you die

misty marsh
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one of them was paranoia and entrench

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ill give it a like

sage osprey
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same proc but it doesnt have a direct proc

misty marsh
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ah

sage osprey
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i can't compress Alert into it's main ability

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so that heavily limits it

sage osprey
torn dew
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Too complicated for my peanut brain I like “haha alert go clicky”

sage osprey
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its just much weaker

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(and more consistent)

torn dew
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That’s what I don’t like about it

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High risk high reward

misty marsh
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high risk high reward isnt always good design

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want living proof

sage osprey
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(current veteran)

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Cough

misty marsh
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and current vet too

torn dew
misty marsh
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vanilla crus is also bad

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its quite literally town sabotage

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or the most annoying role in the world for coven tm

torn dew
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Crus? You mean jinx 0.5

final wind
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i really dislike how current vets existence kinda prevents ti and evils from visiting any tk claims without risking their life

spiral vaporBOT
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@final wind has leveled up! (4 ➜ 5)

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final wind
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it just provides a pseudo protection to all tk claims

misty marsh
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that too

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tks should be encouraged to yknow

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hide the fact theyre tks

sage osprey
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ye

hoary fulcrum
sage osprey
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ok

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Veteran - Town Killing

Attack: Basic Defense: None
Abilities
Entrench yourself in a house
Shoot players you are paranoid of

Entrench (2)

Visit a player and if you are Paranoid of any of their Visitors, you will attack them
You may protect yourself with this ability once per game, attacking an Evil visitor and Bouncing all Town on you
You will lose charges on attacking players

Scope (Day)

Mark a player during the day to be forcefully Paranoid of them
Selecting a player you selected previously will remove your Paranoia of them
You may select a new target once per day

Paranoia (Passive)

Evil visitors to your Entrenched target will make you Paranoid of them
You will learn if you become paranoid of atleast one player
You prioritize attacking players who you have been paranoid of longer

Attributes

Killing a town member will result in you putting your weapon away in guilt
You may Entrench yourself once per game
You will only attack one player each night
You will learn who you attack, if anyone

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does this look better

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im thinking that

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it doesnt need to persistently protect two players at max

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since it has an easier proc condition

hoary fulcrum
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i'm realizing i made a role similar to this

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as a handler rework

final wind
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ok so im a bit confused, say like a pm reveal potions someone youve entrenched. if they were not paranoid already, they will be added to the paranoid list and become killable by your ability next time?

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also if it is this way you may as well have 3 charges instead of 2

sage osprey
sage osprey
torn dew
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I give this 🥖 🥖 🥖 /🥖 🥖 🥖 🥖 🥖

sage osprey
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atp

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one thing I don't like is how the GUI is so limited but I think i can make it work as a seperate ability

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something similar to Intuit and Gaze

grand stream
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this confirms town members though..

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just get a lookout on the veteran

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boom

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visitors of the vet are conf

sage osprey
grand stream
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lookout on the oversighted people I mean

sage osprey
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  1. This is a lookout not overloading problem (as proven with Spy)
  2. If the veteran alerts, every town player gets bounced
  3. Not getting feedback would make it kinda suck to play, though it still is viable
grand stream
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yeah I don't like this.. it just makes veteran a walking confirm for town

sage osprey
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without lookout bullshit

hoary fulcrum
sage osprey
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cough

hoary fulcrum
jagged cypress
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this looks familiar

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anyways this seems fine

toxic wigeon
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I definitely agree that putting an Unknown Obstacle at your own home needs to replace "Kill the Seer to hard conf yourself n1 👍 " meta

Or the "oopsies I killed all of town"

sage osprey
sage osprey
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but ill give it a bit

toxic wigeon
# sage osprey this is probably closer to a finished model of it

Yeah, take some more time to think about it, I think you are probably closer to a "good veteran" than I could get in my head, but I'll DM you the most important stuff for a good Veteran rework that I found in my endless thinking (Especially considering Veteran would probably never get a full redo/replacement from the ground up)

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sly trellis
remote harbor
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It randomly attacks one evil player (with some weird priority system) and confirms Town instantly (through the bounce system)

sly trellis
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yeah thats the issue

remote harbor
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The utility of the role is not in the fact that it can kill evils, but rather in the fact that it can bounce Town and ONLY Town

sly trellis
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You get a one time use - Fuck you evils-inator

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this is trapper level info gathering

remote harbor
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yeah lol

sage osprey
white lantern
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I like the idea of people changing Veteran (even though I know Vanilla Players will not like any change to Vet) this is interesting but I feel like it’s gonna be one of those “looks good on paper but is gonna suck ass”, I’ll still upvote it though.