Buff to Roleblocks

[jade quarry]

• When Roleblocked, any day abilities they have will be disabled for the day after
• Day abilities that affect a night ability (Jail, Autopsy) are Exceptions to this, being unable to be stopped
• Hangover will be applied start of the night after they got Roleblocked
• Players who are Roleblock Immune or Hungover are not affected by this

Why?

Role-blockers don't have nearly enough coverage to stop day abilities, especially roles like Poisoner who can't keep up the competition against Town Powers who have daytime abilities
While this might rip off Starspawn or Auditor, I think evils should have a way to stop these roles Without needing a starspawn or Auditor

[knotty sentinel]

how will this effect the beams meta??

[jade quarry]

my brain is short circuiting how this would interact with jailor since night + day ability

meaning it might be softlocked

[knotty sentinel]

jailor seals you in Hell itself

[oblique crane]

I do kinda like this

[oblique crane]

[jade quarry]

hi cat

[remote sleet]

Hi

[knotty sentinel]

jailor buff: sends people to Nebraska

[remote sleet]

I was trying to process the jailor and coroner interactions and then my brain got roleblocked

N1 - RBD
D2 - Can't autopsy
N2 - Can't examine
D3 - Autopsy first body
N3 - RBD
D4 - Can't autopsy
N4 - First examine! Yay!

[jade quarry]

arbitrary exceptions are bad but im not sure how to fix this interaction while keeping the core of what this intends to achieve

[wispy rover]

Pov a good idea is good

[jade quarry]

yeah

it might just be one of those things where an arbitrary exception has to be made

(though coroner does need a speed buff)

[remote sleet]

You could make the general rule for exceptions like "day abilities that affect the night ability"

[jade quarry]

yeah

"Day abilities that affect a night ability (Jail, Autopsy) are Exceptions to this, being unable to be stopped"

does this look good

[remote sleet]

👍

[jade quarry]

it sounds right to me but im going to make sure

[outer night]

oki

[slim lichen]

"We have at home"

[jade quarry]

wow its like auditor is in every game or when pariah is dead

truly

(or that idk, tav exists and is affected by this as well)

[wise sapphire]

with the jailor/coroner clause included this is a pretty necessary change

also means you don’t get the silly tav meta of going on the tpow claim n1

because that is now pretty bad

[jade quarry]

well it lets tavern deal with conj and tt tpow easier, and poisoner dealing with tpow easier

without auditor being a pre requisite

[livid basalt]

Idk why they havent done this already

This should have been since release but its okay. Better later than never

[ancient heath]

I suggested this earlier

https://discord.com/channels/1197645970998054992/1329741766605279283

[wheat edge]

don't people say that judge is the best NP

surely the other two being able to stop day abilities is a good enough buff for them on its own

[ancient heath]

auditor is buffed by that

and starspawn probably needs similar buff

[wheat edge]

eh I think people say auditor is the weakest np

so SS doesn't really need a buff

[ancient heath]

jailor probably should be simply rb immune, and as for coroner - wasting rb on coroner with TK/TP/other TIs like seer? meh

[crimson kernel]

Why are we buffing the best TS and one of the better CUs

[livid hinge]

Jailor does NOT need to be buffed even more

[mild onyx]

Yeah if I want jailor meta I’ll just go play tos1

[jade quarry]

💀

“why are we giving bare minimum coverage to the roles who have been hit with constant indirect or direct nerfs since this game came out”

[crimson kernel]

Yes, they got nerfed because they were performing too well

pois is one of the most versatile evil roles in the game rn

[jade quarry]

could it be because its competition is literal shit

poisoner’s only real competiton is voodoo but thats toxic with the vote manipulation

[crimson kernel]

coven's win rate in most modes are pretty high

yes part of that is their ability to aggro very well but i've seen lots of long game wins too

[ancient heath]

to prevent softlocking

[jade quarry]

it is not softlocked

there is a clause that prevents that without roleblock immunity

[ancient heath]

with clause - yeah

but implementing said clause is kinda oof

[jade quarry]

better than flat out rb immunity

[ancient heath]

without that clause jailor will be just
n1: rbd
d2: can't jail
n2: rbd
d3: can't jail
and the cycle goes on...

[jade quarry]

yes

except hangover exists

so first jail would be d3

(but this is why that clause exists)

[hollow sun]

[midnight onyx]

Just make the roleblock do jackshit. Problem solved

[sullen light]

Finally, Tav might be not AS useless anymore (It’s still gonna be so fucking useless)

[crimson kernel]

I literally just played a game where tav carried town

[sullen light]

Wow, that’s crazy I’ve been in more town games where Tav has no use (bc CK is rb immune) than Tav actually carrying

Just to clarify, The CK is always fucking Witch or sum bs

[crimson kernel]

it can still roleblock very essential roles to coven like CL/VM

[outer night]

witch is ck?

wakawakawaka

[sullen light]

I meant having the book

[crimson kernel]

saying because it has counters that it is bad is bad criticism (although tbf book holder shouldn't be rb immune)

[sullen light]

Not saying entirely, but it HAS too MANY counters

[crimson kernel]

like 3?

lol

poisoner/witch/necromancer

[sullen light]

Some roles are day applied

[crimson kernel]

that doesn't mean anything you still get value out of tav

[sullen light]

Yeah it’s good to Rb Illusionist and VM

[sullen light]

That’s true, but you can also rb townies

Which isn’t bad

[wise sapphire]

the thing is depending on the rolelist

this is a nerf

[sullen light]

Definitely

[crimson kernel]

Then don’t rb townies

[sullen light]

Harder said than done

[crimson kernel]

wtf are youdoing rbing townies

[wise sapphire]

if there’s no NP in the game you’re gonna end up screwing up roles like deputy a lot

[wise sapphire]

Genius!

[sullen light]

Yeah and the only major NP you screw up is Auditor

Wait Auditor is rb immune nvm

[wise sapphire]

can’t this fuck up judge

or at least delay its ability

[jade quarry]

yes

[sullen light]

Yeah it can fuck of Judge

But he still gets his broken ass judge ability

I don’t know what to feel about roleblock anymore, Poisoner is better having the rb bc u know ur teammates right

[wise sapphire]

I think overall being able to annoy two NPs makes this a slight buff in modes with NP guaranteed

[jade quarry]

this only trolls one pariah

[wise sapphire]

and a pretty moderate nerf in modes without NP

[jade quarry]

because starspawn is roleblock immune

[wise sapphire]

oh wait

I’m stupid

autocorrect oops

I think abilities that don’t abide by high prio should be rbable though

[sullen light]

It’s all good

[jade quarry]

wdym

[wise sapphire]

like why shouldn’t daybreak be able to be blocked

[sullen light]

I just hate being rbed n1 by Tav as Vigi (sorry)

Like why they rbing n1

[wise sapphire]

it’s not like it causes paradoxes at night

which is the reason why roles are rb immune

[jade quarry]

star is roleblock immune may as well let them have it

[sullen light]

And realistically being drunk lasts till the morning right?

That’s why I like this suggestion

[wise sapphire]

I thought you wanted tav to not be ass…

[quick horizon]

make it a UO

[jade quarry]

i don’t really consider real-life factors

[red forge]

Pretty bad logic but whatever

[jade quarry]

im fine with daybreak being rb immune but im not fighting over it

[red forge]

We don’t lore balance here

[red forge]

I’d prefer if it wasn’t

[sullen light]

Ah shucks you caught me

[red forge]

Give Tav more usecases

[sullen light]

Exactly thank you

[wise sapphire]

I think the best way to give tav more coverage is to add more day kills

trust

[outer night]

give tavern more lore balancing so drunk people random target

we loved old insanity didnt we?

[boreal oasis]

no