(REWORK/OVERHAUL) The Veteran looks for the people who scared them to kill instead of being lazy.

[tropic lion]

Veteran (Town Killing)

Attack: Basic
Defense: None (Powerful)

Alert (🌙, 3️⃣)

• Alert at night, granting yourself Powerful Defense.
• If at least one evil player visits you at night, you will be notified.
  • "Someone Evil visited you and your paranoia is at an all-time high!"

**Comb (🌙, 3️⃣ 🇽 2️⃣) **

• Comb through the houses of two players to determine if they've visited you in a previous night.
  • You will not be able to attack them if they've only visited you this night.
• You may not use this night one.
• If you've visited a player you're Wary of, deal a Basic Attack at them.
• If you've killed a Town member, you will lose the ability to Comb and all remaining Alert charges.

Paranoia (Passive)

• You will be Wary of anyone who visits you at night, regardless of whether you're Alerting or not.
• You will not be notified if anyone visits you at night.

Potential Changes

• Limit Comb charges.
  • Gain Comb charges if evils visit you while you're on Alert.
• Reduce Alert charges to two.
• Change Alert to instead put an Unknown Obstacle around your house (To maybe prevent Lookout synergy).
• Veteran can attack infinite times (it isn't really needed though three is still a LOT to go through)

What it does

• Keeps the gimmick of Veteran being the "stay at home and kill visitors" guy while also seriously slowing down its rate of fire (by forcing the Vet to look for the guys who visited them).

TOWN OF SALEM ROLECARD VERSION

Veteran (Town Killing)

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Alert (3):
If you choose to Alert at night, gain Powerful Defense.

If an evil-aligned player visits you, you will be notified.

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Comb (3):
Choose two players at night. If either visited you at any point in the game, deal a Basic Attack to them.

You lose all remaining charges of this ability if you kill a Town member.

You may not Comb night 1.

[torn kernel]

infinite kp moment

even then its still wheelchair bound on its condition to kill

[tropic lion]

kinda, but just like normal Vet, an infinite amount of people has to visit you, and you have to be able to find the infinite people

[tropic lion]

It acts and plays similarly to current vet, where you try to convince evils to visit you.

Only now you have to find the evils as well.

[torn kernel]

reducing alert charges would also be nice

considering bulletproof townie 3 times in a row is still very strong

[torn kernel]

which is kinda hard to do without a lookout

[tropic lion]

Also I'm more than fine with reducing charges of Scour, but the issue I have with it is it might become that shitty three charge trickster again lol

[torn kernel]

consume charges on attacking then

[tropic lion]

Oh, so you can visit an infinite amount of times, but you can only kill a finite amount?

that could work

I'll put it at the level of Vigilante for now, until Vigi gets nerfed lol

CHANGE

• Once you've attacked three times, you can no longer Scour (so it wouldn't have infinite KP lol)
  It might still be too much, but I think it should be on the same level as Vigilante.

• If you kill a Town member, you also lose the ability to Alert, along with the ability to Scour.
  It's an extra penalty for shooting randomly.

I feel as if the post is worded horribly, but I'm too tired to make it more concise lol

@winged niche hello

[winged niche]

hello

yeah this peaks

ideally itd have more kpow than vigi but thats a 'vigi should have 2 shots' issue instead of a 'vet should have >3 shots' issue

[torn kernel]

vig should be one, vet should be two

[thorny bear]

I think it's a bit slow

[torn kernel]

or give vigilante a real shot condition instead of the current shot system

[thorny bear]

You basically become a weak TI with a gun once you get someone evil to visit.

Which is... interesting

I guess it's probably fine...

take a 👍 for now

[pine storm]

this just sounds like Camp deputy in a sense

[torn kernel]

better than current vet but i dont like pgo concept

[pine storm]

you mark someone then kill them

[torn kernel]

polar opposite

[pine storm]

Except you have no control on who you mark

tho at least you can target people directly

[torn kernel]

thats my issue with pgo

[tropic lion]

what is PGO?

[torn kernel]

paranoid gun owner

[tropic lion]

lmao

[pine storm]

Pokemon go

[torn kernel]

[tropic lion]

to be fair, the designspace sort of was PGO, since that's what current Vet is.

[torn kernel]

ideally all TK can directly attack

[snow oyster]

so if you are attacked you are just instantly outed?

and no one believe you?

[torn kernel]

because if they have no agency over their attack its kinda dumb

[torn kernel]

??

[tropic lion]

since this Vet can't directly, that's why it initially had infinite KP.

[snow oyster]

This is such an easy fake claim for neutral

I'm hit but alerted

[tropic lion]

nothing wrong with that?

[snow oyster]

there's no way for a vet to prove himself if he was attacked and then couldnt find the guy who attacked him

since if you claim vet attacked no evil would visit you again

so you have to find 1/14

[tropic lion]

I mean, if you Alert as current Vet and kill someone and CLAIM you're the Vet that killed, evils generally won't visit you either lol

[torn kernel]

me when town is bluffable

[torn kernel]

claim TP then

bait the other evils into you

[tropic lion]

It's a means to reduce KP on Town while also reducing confirmability and making the role more skillbased and less prone to just killing half of town

[snow oyster]

idk if making him a pseudo TI with the wary check make it any more skillbased

[tropic lion]

Plus, with this vet, Alert's message isn't triggered on attack, but rather it's triggered on if an evil visits you

[snow oyster]

ig this could be a good TP LO call to check for evil?

[thorny bear]

powerful defense is crazy tho

[tropic lion]

I guess it is skillbased to manage to somehow charisma check evils into visiting you while also limiting Town, but I don't think current Vet is any skill, while I do think this requires at least some semblence of knowledge.

[tropic lion]

It's Powerful instead of Basic so that it still can function in Apoc gamemodes against Bers

[snow oyster]

I agree the current vet is kinda coinflippy with his kills

[tropic lion]

and also isn't screwed over by WW, which it would've killed previously

[torn kernel]

(bers should be basic)

[snow oyster]

but making TK do a TI check like this is really weird

[tropic lion]

Dep does a TI check as well

and Trickster does a TP check

only Vigi is pure Killing

[torn kernel]

NK should generally be able to break through hard to kill townies (monarch)

[snow oyster]

is the deputy TI check not to limit people shooting d2 lol

[tropic lion]

WW was an afterthought, it was mostly Bers.

If Bers is Basic, it's fine with Basic Defense.

[slate wind]

tpow/veteran here! tplo on me!

spy? who needs one?

[tardy belfry]

this looks okay

id rename scour though cause you know

[thorny bear]

Late to pin

Shame

[haughty gust]

fresh,,,

fresh....

fresh...

fresh...

is this my vet suggestion

i talked about in CTS

where temp said it was fucking bad LMFAO

[tropic lion]

Can you repost it? I don't know about it